Who chooses their sexual orientation?

[+ WilliamM]

22 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

Respectfully. Is that your response to a carefully worded post 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, WilliamM said:

Respectfully. Is that your response to a carefully worded post 

Yes, carefully worded like a lunatic might. Comparing the referencing of studies on the biological basis of sexual orientation to Nazism? Quite sane?

[Guest]

[pubic_assistance]

@Unicorni have now asked you multiple times to stop trying to disrupt this conversation thread.

You've made your point heard *ad nauseum*.

Lets be respectful to the other members and stop ridiculing people's opinions that differ from your own.

 

[+ WilliamM]

5 hours ago, Unicorn said:

Yes, carefully worded like a lunatic might. Comparing the referencing of studies on the biological basis of sexual orientation to Nazism? Quite sane?

Please do not being the German National Socialist Party into this discussion.  @Unicorn

Nowhere to go to continue a discussion

Edited January 29, 2023 by WilliamM

[Guest]

2 hours ago, WilliamM said:

Please do not being the German National Socialist Party into this discussion.  @Unicorn

How I'd love it if you'd lay off the booze before posting. I didn't bring up the fascist angle; I was responding to another poster who did.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

@Unicorni have now asked you multiple times to stop trying to disrupt this conversation thread.

You've made your point heard *ad nauseum*.

Lets be respectful to the other members and stop ridiculing people's opinions that differ from your own.

"Wah, wah, wah. I can't stand not having the last word. Wah, wah, wah. Wah, wah, wah."

You're the one who has nothing to add, other than to say "Stop it! I don't like what I'm hearing!" Anything intelligent to contribute?

YOU are the one who chose to start a string titled "Who chooses their sexual orientation?". If you've changed your mind and want to hear about the journeys of bisexuals, your best option is to start a new string, with the title and wording reflecting your interest. Otherwise your options are to either (1) find some actual facts to support your position that people choose their sexual orientation, (2) be quiet, or (3) keep hearing about it ad nauseum, until you throw up if that's what your want. As for the original question, you've had multiple members give you answers, and you simply don't like what you're reading. Boohoo. 

Edited January 29, 2023 by Unicorn

[pubic_assistance]

@UnicornYou're behaving like a child.

Please stop hogging the thread and let other people participate.

So far there have been several interesting contributions from members but you insist on inserting your own nonsense after every person disagrees with your antique viewpoint

Some people are simply more informed than you. Just accept that fact and move on to another conversation. You're like a child throwing the monopoly board into the air because you weren't winning.

I haven't had a single "problem" with anyone's opinion ( including yours ).

What I have a problem with is you hijacking a conversation that others are actively contributing to. Everyone else understands the question. So please stop trying to turn this into an argument and just let people discuss.

 

 

Edited January 29, 2023 by pubic_assistance
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[pubic_assistance]

22 hours ago, musclestuduws said:

...the defenders of genetic/biological determinism, which are btw one and the same, are themselves unaware of how close their views align with the racial eugenics of fascism.

I thank @musclestuduwsfor this comment. And I agree that any insistence that no one can possibly determine their sexual preferences simply because SOME of you feel it was never a choice ..is indeed a push toward totalitarian group-think.  This constant beating of ONE viewpoint to prevent an open discussion is a fine example of how fascism infests society.

So without going down the road to political discussion let's get back to the conversation at-hand.

Who else amongst the members here stuck his toe in both waters and decided that heterosexuality is not for me. How did you know and what did you feel ? How much did social pressures influence your lifestyle choices ?

Thank you to all members who have thus far contributed. And welcome to any members who also want to add that "choice" was not an option for you. 

Edited January 29, 2023 by pubic_assistance
grammar

[+ José Soplanucas]

1 hour ago, pubic_assistance said:

@UnicornYou're behaving like a child.

Please stop hogging the thread and let other people participate.

So far there have been several interesting contributions from members but you insist on inserting your own nonsense after every person disagrees with your antique viewpoint

Some people are simply more informed than you. Just accept that fact and move on to another conversation. You're like a child throwing the monopoly board into the air because you weren't winning.

I haven't had a single "problem" with anyone's opinion ( including yours ).

What I have a problem with is you hijacking a conversation that others are actively contributing to. Everyone else understands the question. So please stop trying to turn this into an argument and just let people discuss.

 

 

As constructive criticism, if you would have invested more time and energy in using clear and distinct terminology in this discussion and less in beefing with Unicorn, perhaps things would have ran more smoothly. 

[LookingAround]

2 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

 ..is indeed a push totalitarian group-think.  This constant beating of ONE viewpoint to prevent an open discussion is a fine example of how fascism infests society.

Lol I agree some posts are an example of fascism but this poster may be surprised of whose posts I’m thinking😂

Can anyone tell me what the phrase “push totalitarian group-think” means? 🤡

 

Edited January 29, 2023 by LookingAround

[+ WilliamM]

51 minutes ago, José Soplanucas said:

As constructive criticism, if you would have invested more time and energy in using clear and distinct terminology in this discussion and less in beefing with Unicorn, perhaps things would have ran more smoothly. 

No, things would have not gone . more smoothly.

And I usually agree with you

[Bucky]

My take is that the OP subconsciously fears, and can't come to the realization, that he's wrong.

What other motive is there for posing the question?  

[+ WilliamM]

12 hours ago, Unicorn said:

How I'd love it if you'd lay off the booze before posting. I didn't bring up the fascist angle; I was responding to another poster who did.

Ha ha the last time I had too much sbooze was 1976

[pubic_assistance]

Ok...so now we are done with the arguing.

Would love to hear someone who wants to contribute their story.

Are you trapped by biology ?

[LookingAround]

34 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Ok...so now we are done with the arguing.

Would love to hear someone who wants to contribute their story.

Are you trapped by biology ?

What does that even mean “are you trapped by biology?” And why ask a question that, as phrased, is loaded to seek a particular response that apparently you want?

[Guest]

10 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

...Please stop hogging the thread and let other people participate.

...

What I have a problem with is you hijacking a conversation that others are actively contributing to....

Yes, of course. That's it. Posters aren't contributing to your imaginary thread on "journey of bisexuals" because I'm stopping them. I just swat their fingers off of their keyboards!

Or could it be that you yourself hijaked the thread from whether sexual orientation is a choice to another subject of your imagination? You asked a question most gay men find offensive (we don't need science to tell us that our sexual orientation is not a choice, although it's nice to have the scientific back-up). You got a lot of blowback on this, and decided to steer the string elsewhere. 

And you've go the forum's most brilliant minds such as @WilliamM to back you. 

 

[pubic_assistance]

3 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

Yes, of course. That's it. Posters aren't contributing to your imaginary thread on "journey of bisexuals" because I'm stopping them. I just swat their fingers off of their keyboards!

 

Outside of your childish interference it's been interesting to hear other people's comments.

Anyone else who would like to share ?

 

[Marc in Calif]

23 minutes ago, pubic_assistance said:

Anyone else who would like to share ?

Evidently nobody is much interested in sharing their general views on "choosing their sexual orientation" because you say that's no longer the topic.

Instead, you want "to share" only with those guys who "stuck [their] toe in both waters."

Good luck with that! 🎉

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Bucky said:

My take is that the OP subconsciously fears, and can't come to the realization, that he's wrong.

What other motive is there for posing the question?  

I didn't want to say it, but thanks for saying it. I hate to accuse without firm knowledge, but I think we all know this is probably the case.

[+ WilliamM]

1 hour ago, Unicorn said:

I didn't want to say it, but thanks for saying it. I hate to accuse without firm knowledge, but I think we all know this is probably the case.

Isn't it a bit egotistical to apparently speak for all of the members here?

[+ Italiano]

20 hours ago, pubic_assistance said:

 

Who else amongst the members here stuck his toe in both waters and decided that heterosexuality is not for me. How did you know and what did you feel ? How much did social pressures influence your lifestyle choices ?

 

I think what I described briefly at the beginning of this long thread is what happened to most gay men. I don't want to talk for everybody, but I have the feeling that's how it went especially for older generation.

Society (especially 30/40/50 and more years ago!) tells you that when you are an adolescent you should have one or more girlfriends like all your friends, and you know that that's not what you really want and feel. Some of us stuck his toes in heterosexual sex (I did until I was 20 and came out for good), some did not until the "final" decision was taken. Most gay men (I think, at least in Western societies) are out to the world now, some are not, some keep tasting both waters, some (like myself) are only homosexuals. And the choice is there.

🤷‍♂️

[pubic_assistance]

51 minutes ago, Italiano said:

Most gay men (I think, at least in Western societies) are out to the world now, some are not, some keep tasting both waters, some (like myself) are only homosexuals. And the choice is there.

Thanks

 

[+ José Soplanucas]

2 hours ago, Italiano said:

I think what I described briefly at the beginning of this long thread is what happened to most gay men. I don't want to talk for everybody, but I have the feeling that's how it went especially for older generation.

Society (especially 30/40/50 and more years ago!) tells you that when you are an adolescent you should have one or more girlfriends like all your friends, and you know that that's not what you really want and feel. Some of us stuck his toes in heterosexual sex (I did until I was 20 and came out for good), some did not until the "final" decision was taken. Most gay men (I think, at least in Western societies) are out to the world now, some are not, some keep tasting both waters, some (like myself) are only homosexuals. And the choice is there.

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I am not sure whether or not I understand. I think (correct me if I am wrong) you are saying that the choice is in your life style, not in your sexual preference.

[LookingAround]

This is the difference between a genotype and a phenotype. 
 

As a genotype you’re saying you’re gay. 
As a phenotype you’re saying you’ve been with women at times and expressed a “straight” lifestyle.