Do you still pay if the hour is cut short?

[gregkidman]

I was with an escort and we played around for 30 minutes and then he found out that he had no condoms. I was specific in what I wanted in my emails prior to the session. He had other plans after the session so there was no time for us to go to the drug store and buy condoms. So I got up, dressed and he asked me for money for the half hour we spent together.

 

Mind you, the session for half hour was nice -- it was basically nipple nuzzling, sucking and 69-ing.

 

I have been following this thread about extending time and how do you handle the extra time

 

http://babydb.male4malescorts.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=8164

 

However, this time, the session is cut short and I am not sure how to handle this gray area.

 

Should I have paid for a half-hour even though I didn't get an ass-plowing that I wanted but we did some other things?

 

Or should I just walk out without paying because I was not a satisfied customer? In my personal opinion, a professional escort should always have lube and condoms at hand.

 

How about it, folks? If you are an escort, and you couldn't satisfy your client's needs, what would you do? If you are a client and the escort did SOME things with you and stopped at half-hour, would you still pay? Side note: I stopped the session once I found out that he had no condoms.

 

The escort told me that he went to the Black Party on Saturday and went to another party on Sunday before meeting me on Monday, so it is possible that he forgot that we were to have a playdate or that he could be tired, but I confirmed at 2:30 before seeing him at 3:00 on Monday.

 

Cheers,

Greg

 

PS. For those who want to know, it was Rob Gregor from Chicago visiting NYC. If you plan to see him, ensure that he has lube and condoms or bring your own. He graciously let me leave his hotel room without payment after I told him that I was not a satisfied customer. I am sad that my session was cut short -- he has an amazing dick and balls and he has a great body and arms. It could've been a great session.

[Boston Guy]

Ummmm.... I'm sort of a bit mystified why you started this thread.

 

I guess you are unhappy that things didn't turn out the way you expected. On the other hand, you had a half-hour of fun with a hot guy who, according to your own words, was gracious enough to waive any fee in the interest of trying to satisfy an unhappy customer.

 

If I were him, I would have expected some kind of payment -- probably at least half. If I were you, I would have offered at least half.

 

Your whole complaint seems to center on your expectation that the escort will provide any supplies (condoms, lube, etc.) that might be desired while you're together. Why do you believe that's true? Why shouldn't it be the responsibility of both parties to bring what they will want to have on hand?

 

If you were on a date with a friend, would you expect that friend to provide everything? If not, why should it be any different with an escort?

 

Further, wanting to get plowed but not bringing condoms could easily lead to a situation where you or your partner might be tempted to have unsafe sex. That's a bad idea.

 

The moral of the story as I see it:

 

1) You should bring condoms and lube if you want to use them.

2) The escort sounds like a hot, gracious guy.

 

BG

[mmk]

That is a difficult question-one with really no right answer.

 

If it was agreed that the escort was to bring the condoms and he didn't, I think it would have been admirable on the escorts part to cut the price in half or give you some kind of a discount. (If not for this session then the next one should be either at a reduced price or extra long at no extra cost)

 

However, that does not excuse the fact that you had none on hand. I do not mean to be "holier than thou" but what if the escort only brought one and the two of you took a break and he took off the only one that was there. Even if you have a box that end up getting thrown away because they expire (yes, I have been in a serious dry spell lately)it is better to be safe than sorry.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>Should I have paid for a half-hour even though I didn't get an

>ass-plowing that I wanted but we did some other things?

>

 

Yes, IMO. Half a loaf warmly offered is worth compensation, especially if there was no premeditated attempt to cut the session short. We are paying for live 'air time' or bandwith used IMO. (I dont pay for dead air time or allocated but unused bandwith.)

 

>Or should I just walk out without paying because I was not a

>satisfied customer?

 

That would make you an asshole IMO, which I am sure that you are not.

 

>In my personal opinion, a professional

>escort should always have lube and condoms at hand.

>

 

So should an experienced client. Are you in the habit of leaving your destiny in the hands of others or do you make the effort to insure your own satisfaction? It is your time and money and ultimately your pleasure. Why leave it totally in the hands of others. If you do then you should expect some disappointments.

 

>He graciously let me

>leave his hotel room without payment after I told him that I

>was not a satisfied customer.

 

Sounds like a very classy guy. Dont know if he is my type physically but I like the rest from what you have to say.

 

Seems to me that you got a cheap lesson on self-responsibility and a some fun to boot.

[woodlawn]

>Ummmm.... I'm sort of a bit mystified why you started this

>thread.

 

Because he wanted the opinions of others on how to deal with this situation? Is it really such a big mystery?

 

>If I were him, I would have expected some kind of payment --

>probably at least half. If I were you, I would have offered

>at least half.

 

Sounds reasonable.

 

>Your whole complaint seems to center on your expectation that

>the escort will provide any supplies (condoms, lube, etc.)

>that might be desired while you're together. Why do you

>believe that's true? Why shouldn't it be the responsibility

>of both parties to bring what they will want to have on hand?

 

Do you bring bags with you when you go to the grocery in case the store doesn't have any? So far as I know stores aren't required to provide you with bags for your purchases, it is simply a question of custom and expectation. It's not unreasonable for the client to expect that an escort who wants to restrict himself to safe sex will bring these items.

 

>If you were on a date with a friend, would you expect that

>friend to provide everything? If not, why should it be any

>different with an escort?

 

Because an escort is aware that the date is specifically for the purpose of having sex, while in a real date there may have been no such agreement beforehand? When you go on a date, do you make sure the other person knows you expect to have sex with him?

 

>Further, wanting to get plowed but not bringing condoms could

>easily lead to a situation where you or your partner might be

>tempted to have unsafe sex. That's a bad idea.

 

Yes. One would think that a careful escort would take steps to avoid that.

[Luv2play]

If I'm going to see an escort at his place (as you were, I believe) I always take along condoms and lube, just in case. Since I'm a bottom, I leave it to the discretion of the escort which condom he wants to use, as many prefer their own brands. Of course, if his lube is something I don't like (for instance ,one containing monoxyidle-9 (sp?), which irritates, then I will insist on using my own, since it's going in my ass, after all :9 .

 

If the escort is coming to my place, then I always have supplies on hand, and take it from there. I think you should have done your own planning and the escort in question was very gracious to give you a half hour of free play time.

[seaboy4hire]

You said that you spent a half hour with the young man but he didn't have any condoms with him but you two did do other things 69ing, nippple play and such. In all fareness you both were in the wrong not to have had the proper protection. I always make sure to bring condoms and lube with me as I know that sometimes I may see someone who is married and it might be a little harder for them to obtain those things discreetly. But at the same time you did spend a half hour with the guy a half hour of his time and even though he didn't have the proper protection and other then that everything was going well he should have been paid for his time. Just my thought on the subject matter.

 

Hugs,

Greg

Greg Seattle Wa seaboy4hire@yahoo.com

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/gregseattle.html http://briefcase.yahoo.com/seaboy4hire

[Spida]

Personally, I think the escort should have supplied the condoms and lube. I expect them to since I don't usually travel with my supply, I would have been a bit upset, however, I would have realized that it was my assumption that the escort has the supplies and I did have some fun and offered him half the money. I think people should be paid for their time as I am paid for my time in my work. However when I whow up at a client site I do not expect them to have all the "supplies" that I need to do my job. I make sure I am prepared in order to please the customer.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

Agreed. The escort was very gracious for the 1/2 hour freebie~

 

Although i totally understand that an escort who comes unprepared isn't a very thoughtful escort, it's also up to the other guy to make sure he's prepared for anything. When i am seeing someone, i always make sure to bring the following in my bag:

 

* Latex & Polyurethane Condoms

* Oil, Water & Silicone-based lubes.

* Toys if requested

* Restraints if requested

 

It's all a matter of making sure you're prepared for the unexpected. Some guys like water-based lube, while others go apeshit for silicone-based like Eros. Also, on a very basic level, it's just a matter of customer service: Giving the guy you're seeing some choices & letting him know you care enough about a meeting to bring some selection to the table.

 

On the flipside, maybe the escort in question was running late or simply was having a stressed out day. It happens. Hopefully he'll read this thread and remember in the future to correct things. As for his generousity for free play, he was obviously quite sorry about his blunder. Probably just a onetime mishap...

 

Warmest Always,

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[Nvr2Thick]

I don't think the answer's in black and white.

 

If you were quite clear asking "you're bringing your own condoms, right?" and he said "yeah, I take care of everything" I think you have a right to cut back on his fee. I say "cut back" because you had a good time with a stud, you just didn't get everything you wanted. I would have made the most of the situation and shown some appreciation.

 

If it was ambiguous and you were assuming that a professional escort will always bring lube and condoms I think you're a little off base. I'd expect him to have them at home for an incall, as a good host. It's a good idea for an escort to bring his own condoms because he knows what he likes and what works for him. I'm not going to risk missing a fuck because an escort might forget, so I make sure I have some on hand. These guys are human, so even if a guy promises to bring condoms it might slip his mind.

 

Granted, it's a bit of a nuisance to stock sizes and types. Still, you're investing a couple hundred bucks for some fun, what's a few dollars more to be prepared. I had an escort express contempt for the wrong brand of large condoms, but he didn't bring his own and didn't refuse what I had. These days I buy a small pack of Magnums and Magnum Extra Large just to cover all the bases.

 

Franco will eventually check in and give us the definitive answer.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>In my personal opinion, a professional

>escort should always have lube and condoms at hand.

 

You're absolutely right. Unfortunately, there are times when being right and getting laid aren't very compatible. Escorts SHOULD always have lube and condoms at hand, and that is doubly true if they've been tipped off ahead of time that the client wants to get fucked. But as you've probably noticed, the industry has not yet come up with universally recognized standards, and there's no escort school we all had to graduate from before we started. The barriers to entry are very low, and the widely varying habits of escorts reflect that. Sites like this one, and a few of the books about escorting that are out there, are beginning, on an informal basis, to popularize certain basic expectations, but there are plenty of escorts out there who just aren't connected to the subcultures in which these kinds of things get discussed.

 

Besides, even if the escort IS a professional and has enough sense to know that of COURSE he should bring the condoms and lube, that doesn't mean he's infallible, or that things can't go wrong. I've had many a nearly-full bottle of lube transform itself into an empty bottle of lube during long flights. So it's always a good idea to bring some condoms and lube of your own, just in case. Besides, you might like your brand better than his.

 

>If you are an escort, and you couldn't satisfy your client's needs, >what would you do?

 

Offer the client a partial refund (I'd only offer a full refund if something went spectacularly wrong). It's the right thing to do, and it's ultimately much cheaper than bad word-of-mouth. I don't know Rob, but if he's aware of this thread I imagine he's glad he read a post about him graciously waiving the charge of your truncated session, rather than a post (or worse, a review) to the effect that he forgot the condoms and lube and then refused to give you a discount.

 

In your particular situation, where the supply shortage was discovered halfway through the session, I'd probably offer either to continue the session at a discounted rate or give the client the option of ending things early. To be honest I would still want to be paid something, but I wouldn't have charged you the full price for a half hour -- I would have tried to come up with a discount that was mutually acceptable. While his failure to be prepared was indeed a professional lapse, it sounds to me like your experience with him, while not worth the full pro-rated price for a half hour, was worth more than nothing. I think you should have given him something rather than rationalizing that since you weren't completely satisfied he didn't deserve anything.

 

>I am sad that my session was cut short -- he has an amazing dick >and balls and he has a great body and arms. It could've been a >great session.

 

Excuse my asking, but couldn't it STILL have been a great session, or at least a pretty darn good one? Don't get me wrong, I know that for a lot of guys fucking's really, REALLY important, and I don't mean to suggest that you should go out and hire escorts who aren't tops just to cultivate open-minded qualities in yourself. But if you're in bed with the guy already and you're having a good time, couldn't you probably STILL have found ways to enjoy his amazing dick and balls, and his great body and arms (assuming he would have been willing to continue with the session at a discount)?

 

I can certainly see not wanting to pay full price, since his screw-up led to your not getting screwed, but it puzzles me that some guys would prefer to walk away from what was, up until then, a good time with a hot guy, instead of "muddling through" with their second, third and fourth favorite things to do in bed. I don't mean this as a criticism; I think a lot of men feel the same way you do -- and not just in the context of hiring escorts. I've talked to plenty of guys who would rather not go to bed with a guy they were really hot for unless their very favorite activity was on the agenda. I'm not saying they're wrong to feel this way -- hey, you like what you like -- but intuitively it seems like that approach would be kind of limiting.

[Traveller]

Since I only hire really hung latin guys, zip-lock bags do in a crunch. Be sure to use water-based lube, however. Seriously, this is the oldest scam in the books. If the know I want my hole slammed, which they always do.....no condom, no money.

 

Later.

[Chuck50]

I remember someone getting me excited over Eros HUGS Chuck50 HUGS:P :P

[jackhammer91406]

Greg,

I think it would have been fair to pay for what you got, which you indicate was some fun time, but not all you were expecting. Although I am a top, I think if I was putting my ass on the line for pleasure, I would be prepared to protect my health by having all the necessities just in case.

 

In addition, if I am correct, Rob was visiting your city for this appointment. It is possible that his supplies were forgotten or lost at an earlier appointment and while any traveling professional should arrange for supplies (in case the client doesn't have them), I think the client should always prepare as well.

 

Do I mis-remember or wasn't it you who posted his travel announcement for his visit to New York? Is this why you felt it was important to name him in your thread?

 

It is sad that you didn't have as good a time as you were hoping for, but to Rob's credit, he clearly tried to make up for that by not charging you for the time he was there.

Or am I missing something?

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

En Fait

 

>>Your whole complaint seems to center on your expectation

>that

>>the escort will provide any supplies (condoms, lube, etc.)

>>that might be desired while you're together. Why do you

>>believe that's true? Why shouldn't it be the responsibility

>>of both parties to bring what they will want to have on

>hand?

>

>Do you bring bags with you when you go to the grocery in case

>the store doesn't have any? So far as I know stores aren't

>required to provide you with bags for your purchases, it is

>simply a question of custom and expectation. It's not

>unreasonable for the client to expect that an escort who wants

>to restrict himself to safe sex will bring these items.

 

Goodness, gracious my. What a series of a opinions, speculative notions and retarded assumptions.

 

In point of fact, I often bring grocery bags, irrespective of the custom or expectations of others; I find it annoying when some clerks offer or simply provide a bag to a customer buying a small twelve ounce bottle of water (creating two pieces of trash, instead of merely the one); I also find, at least, where I shop, that the stores, both as a sensible business model which cuts down on their costs and enhances loyalty, encourage customers to bring back or otherwise recycle their bags. In fact, the largest supermarket chain in the United States does this.

 

 

Ask me no questions - I will tell you no lies.

 

http://www.gaydar.co.uk/francodisantis

[buckguy]

I think context is everything here. I also think the escort probably went further in his generoisty than I would have expected, given the other information you provided.

 

My one relevant experience was with an escort (Aion of DC, to be specific) who showed up almost an hour late w/o explanation (he could have said "traffic" or something to be polite) who also forgot the condoms and lube. He also ended the encounter by suggesting that I was married (accused would be better) even after I showed him the stack of paper for my weekend meeting that kept me from going out that evening.

 

In retrospect, I should have decided that this wasn't a matter of "time spent" and made life a bit miserable for him via his agency.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

The Definitive Answer

 

>I don't think the answer's in black and white.

 

Bingo.

 

>If you were quite clear asking "you're bringing your own

>condoms, right?" and he said "yeah, I take care of everything"

>I think you have a right to cut back on his fee. I say "cut

>back" because you had a good time with a stud, you just didn't

>get everything you wanted. I would have made the most of the

>situation and shown some appreciation.

 

Super Bingo.

 

>If it was ambiguous and you were assuming that a professional

>escort will always bring lube and condoms I think you're a

>little off base. I'd expect him to have them at home for an

>incall, as a good host. It's a good idea for an escort to

>bring his own condoms because he knows what he likes and what

>works for him. I'm not going to risk missing a fuck because

>an escort might forget, so I make sure I have some on hand.

>These guys are human, so even if a guy promises to bring

>condoms it might slip his mind.

 

Super Bingo on a table for four, featuring Greg, Benjy and Devon, and hosted by Nvr2Thick

 

>Granted, it's a bit of a nuisance to stock sizes and types.

>Still, you're investing a couple hundred bucks for some fun,

>what's a few dollars more to be prepared. I had an escort

>express contempt for the wrong brand of large condoms, but he

>didn't bring his own and didn't refuse what I had. These days

>I buy a small pack of Magnums and Magnum Extra Large just to

>cover all the bases.

>

>Franco will eventually check in and give us the definitive

>answer.

 

The definitive answer? Even when the customer may not be right, it pays to be gracious and considerate, which even in the client's version of this story, appears to be what Rob did.

[+ deej]

>Mind you, the session for half hour was nice -- it was

>basically nipple nuzzling, sucking and 69-ing.

 

Sounds fun so far!

 

>Should I have paid for a half-hour even though I didn't get an

>ass-plowing that I wanted but we did some other things?

 

See "fun", above. You owe him compensation for the fun that you had.

 

>Or should I just walk out without paying because I was not a

>satisfied customer? In my personal opinion, a professional

>escort should always have lube and condoms at hand.

 

These are entirely different and contradictory conditions.

 

If you're a bottom and looking to get plugged, you damn well better have supplies on hand whether he offers them up or not. If you want the pole going in the hole to be covered, it's YOUR responsiblity to bring that about. It's nice if the top makes sure he has the supplies he prefers and performs best with, but it's your ass getting pounded.

 

You need to take control of your destiny.

 

If you expect to have safer sex, you'd better have supplies on hand to bring it about. Period. You cannot leave it to someone else, and then not pay because you didn't do your part.

[+ deej]

>Do you bring bags with you when you go to the grocery in case

>the store doesn't have any? So far as I know stores aren't

>required to provide you with bags for your purchases, it is

>simply a question of custom and expectation.

 

You bring bags (or pick up empty boxes while there) at Costco or Sam's club. Savvy consumers shop there because they know they'll get good prices, but they also accept personal responsibility for carrying their purchases to the car without free bags.

 

>It's not

>unreasonable for the client to expect that an escort who wants

>to restrict himself to safe sex will bring these items.

 

It is unreasonable for ANY adult to enter into a situation where intercourse is a possiblity without being prepared. If penetration is involved and the adult wants it to be in a safer manner, that individual had better be stocked.

 

Client or escort ... both sides need to be prepared. Both have equal responsibility.

[+ deej]

RE: The Definitive Answer

 

>The definitive answer? Even when the customer may not be

>right, it pays to be gracious and considerate, which

>even in the client's version of this story, appears to be what

>Rob did.

 

Grand Poobah Bingo.

[Guest Tampa Yankee]

>

>In retrospect, I should have decided that this wasn't a matter

>of "time spent" and made life a bit miserable for him via his

>agency.

 

Maybe. However, I hope you did submit a review or will reconsider it. It seems to me that speculation on your marital status is completely irrelevant and nothing more than an excuse for ending the appointment. Based on your account, it seems that he started off irresponsibly and went downhill from there. I think potential clients considering his services would be interested in your experience. And he should have an opportunity to explain his actions.

[woodlawn]

RE: Pretentious Crap from the Usual Source

 

>>Do you bring bags with you when you go to the grocery in

>case

>>the store doesn't have any? So far as I know stores aren't

>>required to provide you with bags for your purchases, it is

>>simply a question of custom and expectation. It's not

>>unreasonable for the client to expect that an escort who

>wants

>>to restrict himself to safe sex will bring these items.

 

>Goodness, gracious my. What a series of a opinions,

>speculative notions and retarded assumptions.

 

And your post seems like more of the pretentious crap I've come to expect from you, including your trademark fractured English.

 

>In point of fact, I often bring grocery bags, irrespective of

>the custom or expectations of others;

 

Who asked you? My question was addressed to Boston Guy, not you or deej, because I wanted to converse with someone who more nearly approximates a normal person.

 

 

>In fact, the largest supermarket chain in the United

>States does this.

 

Personally I don't care much for chain groceries, since they are driving down wages and benefits for their employees as fast as they possibly can -- that's an issue I consider vastly more important than their "environmentally friendly" policies, which are nothing more than a fig leaf for another agenda that is hurting the American labor force. I prefer to shop at a locally-owned establishment. If I brought my own bags there they would look at me as if I had three heads.

 

 

Ask me no questions - I will tell you no lies.

 

I haven't asked you a question and I don't plan to do so. You are so consistent in taking the other side from any poster who criticizes or even implies any criticism of any escort that there's no need to ask you anything. One already knows exactly what you're going to say in any situation. You're as predictable as Fox News.

[BobbyThompson]

Plastic baggies????

 

I think the question is very subjective. Overall, I think you and he handled it very well though.

 

Since an escort sells time, assuming he may need condoms and lube is a little presumptive. Okay, let's drop the pretense :-) An escort knows what he should bring. I have many times realized last minute I didn't have any condoms, and all it takes is a simple stop at the 7-11. That same 7-11 almost always has, *gag*, KY Jelly in the feminine hygiene section.

 

I, like Benjamin, like to be prepared for any situation also. If I have a dildo or two in my bag for either myself or a client, even then I make sure I have condoms as to avoid transmission of anything bacterial (which people often forget about).

 

As far as the money aspect...a smarter escort won't agree to sex acts in an email, and if you terminated the session early, I'd say that one should pay for the hour. However, if it were me in the situation, I would tell the client a reduced fee is fine. However, if I couldn't satisfy someone's needs, which has happened occasionally, I don't think that justifies any amelioration. Sometimes there's just a lack of chemistry. If the client had problems with our time together, as long as I didn't misrepresent myself I feel that I still held my end of the bargain. If he mentions something in an email I may not be comfortable with, I just say I do not think we will be compatable.

 

Alright boys, peace, love and a hard cock.

Bobby

[gregkidman]

>Client or escort ... both sides need to be prepared. Both have

>equal responsibility.

 

Super-shazam bingo. I have learned my lesson, I will be prepared next time.

 

I am the originator of this topic and I am doing what I can to rectify the situation:

 

I just emailed Rob and asked him for an address for me to send money for the time spent we had together. Hopefully, he will not have any hard feelings over this matter.

 

Cheers,

Greg

[gregkidman]

This is a spurious post. Sorry. I can't figure out how to delete it.