Do you still pay if the hour is cut short?

[Boston Guy]

>>Ummmm.... I'm sort of a bit mystified why you started this

>>thread.

>

>Because he wanted the opinions of others on how to deal with

>this situation? Is it really such a big mystery?

>

 

Nope. You are, of course, correct.

 

>Do you bring bags with you when you go to the grocery in case

>the store doesn't have any? So far as I know stores aren't

>required to provide you with bags for your purchases, it is

>simply a question of custom and expectation. It's not

>unreasonable for the client to expect that an escort who wants

>to restrict himself to safe sex will bring these items.

>

 

No, I don't bring bags to the grocery store with me, because I expect them to have them there. It's sort of an apples and oranges comparison, but what you're getting at is what is reasonable for one to expect.

 

If I were to be asked if it would be reasonable for an escort to bring condoms and lube or for a masseur to bring oil or lotion, I'd say yes. But I think it's just as reasonable to expect a client who wants to engage in anal sex to have whatever supplies he wants to use.

 

The escort in question evidently accepted that he should have brought supplies with him and waived his fee. That seems reasonable and gracious to me and a good business move. I think the client should also acknowledge that he was just as much in error as the escort by not bringing condoms himself.

 

It's reasonable to expect an escort to have supplies. But someone who is going to be as disappointed as the client who started this thread should ensure his own happiness by bringing comdoms with him.

 

BG

[Guest DevonSFescort]

RE: Plastic baggies????

 

>That same 7-11 almost always has, *gag*, KY Jelly in the feminine >hygiene section.

 

KY -- ewww. That reminds me of when I visited Dallas a few months ago; I had another lube leakage in the suitcase on my flight and the only drugstores I could find anywhere ONLY sold KY, which should just be called "Why?" x(

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

RE: Plastic baggies????

 

Bobby & Devon are quite correct~

 

KY Jelly is really more suitable for vaginal sex, as guys need a bit more greasing up. Besides, KY tends to glop-up after awhile, forming this thin sheeting that just cuts off most sensation.

 

This is one lube you'll NEVER find in my bag. Even the liquid KY sucks. Reminds me of an even cheaper Astroglide...

 

Stickily yours,

 

 

Benjamin Nicholas

[KY_TOP]

RE: Plastic baggies????

 

>

>KY -- ewww.

 

Hey what did I do?:7

 

As for the original issue. The Escort is in a profession were certain supplies are needed for the job and I expect him to be prepared. With that said I ALSO have supplies just in case he has forgotten, which has happened in a few cases with me. On those few occasions, because I was prepared, the good times did not end prematurely. I do feel you should have offered a partial payment for the time you did spend with the Escort.

 

As for lubes, and condoms, since everyone seems to have their favorites and least favorites...just another reason to make sure you are prepared.

[jackhammer91406]

Greg,

Do you mean My post is spurious???

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Yawn

 

> I prefer to shop at a

>locally-owned establishment. If I brought my own bags there

>they would look at me as if I had three heads.

 

Then the owners do not have a good appreciation of the totality of their costs, particularly in a business with exceedingly low profit margins, especially with the "locally-owned" establishments versus chains.

>

>Ask me no questions - I will tell you no lies.

>

>I haven't asked you a question and I don't plan to do so. You

>are so consistent in taking the other side from any poster who

>criticizes or even implies any criticism of any escort that

>there's no need to ask you anything. One already knows

>exactly what you're going to say in any situation. You're as

>predictable as Fox News.

 

Obviously, you have a good appreciation and understanding of the Fox News Channel but not as good an appreciation nor understanding of my posts. I have often indicated where I felt an escort had acted inappropriately or generally acted less than honorable. To name just a few such instances, one I remark upon constantly are individuals who use old photographs of themselves on line or in advertising. There are some notable examples of individuals who have been using the same photographs since at least 2000 on this site and I can think of two who use the same ten year old photographs on Rent Boy.

 

You also obviously do not have an appreciation for literature or film, since my question/answer comment is part of my current signature and comes from both a piece of literature as well as a film.

 

Apparently, some of us have litlte appreciation or understanding.

 

>

 

 

Ask me no questions - I will tell you no lies.

 

http://www.gaydar.co.uk/francodisantis

[gregkidman]

>Greg,

>Do you mean My post is spurious???

 

No, I was making another post, then I changed my mind. However I didn't know how to delete my own spurious post.

 

Cheers,

Greg

[woodlawn]

RE: Yawn -- He's Bored But He Still Keeps Replying

 

>

>> I prefer to shop at a

>>locally-owned establishment. If I brought my own bags there

>>they would look at me as if I had three heads.

>

>Then the owners do not have a good appreciation of the

>totality of their costs, particularly in a business with

>exceedingly low profit margins, especially with the

>"locally-owned" establishments versus chains.

 

They seem to have quite a good appreciation of their workers, since they are not engaging in the same race to the bottom as far as wages and benefits are concerned as the places you shop. That race will continue so long as consumers like you go wherever prices are lowest no matter what the impact on American workers. You are part of the problem.

 

>>Ask me no questions - I will tell you no lies.

 

>>You're

>as

>>predictable as Fox News.

 

>Obviously, you have a good appreciation and understanding of

>the Fox News Channel but not as good an appreciation nor

>understanding of my posts. I have often indicated where I felt

>an escort had acted inappropriately

 

That doesn't contradict what I said, which is that you always take the other side when anyone states or implies any criticism of an escort. Keep working on your English and eventually you will understand the difference.

 

>You also obviously do not have an appreciation for literature

>or film, since my question/answer comment is part of my

>current signature and comes from both a piece of literature as

>well as a film.

 

Who gives a shit where it comes from? A lot of your posts are created because you're the sort of person who enjoys insulting others with words like "retarded." You saw an opportunity to do that in this subthread and you took it. Do you really think anyone who reads this doesn't see that? Grow up.

[FrancoDiSantisxxx]

Tired, Actually, By The Tiresome

 

[ib]Why do we yawn?[/b]Dr. Barry Make, a pulmonologist at National Jewish Medical and Research Center in Denver, says the answer is not because we are tired or bored — although that’s the common perception. Read on:

 

The most plausible explanation, and the one that is taught in medical school, is that we yawn because oxygen levels in our lungs are low.

 

THE TRUTH IS that we don’t completely understand why people, or animals for that matter, yawn. It’s widely assumed that yawning occurs because we are tired or bored or because we see someone else doing it, but there isn’t any hard evidence to support these beliefs.

 

The most plausible explanation, and the one that is taught in medical school, is that we yawn because oxygen levels in our lungs are low. Studies have shown that during normal, at-rest breathing, we don’t use anywhere near our lung capacity; for the most part, we just use the air sacs at the bottom of the lungs. If the air sacs, called alveoli, don’t get fresh air, they partially collapse and the lungs stiffen a bit. As a result, it’s believed, our brain prompts the body to either sigh or take a yawn to get more air into the lungs.

 

But certain aspects of yawning remain even more mysterious. Fetuses, for instances, have been observed yawning in the womb, yet it’s known that they don’t take oxygen in through their lungs. And yawning seems to be a symptom of multiple sclerosis and other medical conditions, for reasons unclear.

[mansniffing]

I've discovered that I prefer to visit the escort at his home. It makes the adventure very exciting for me. I bring along a "tool kit" with condoms, lubricated and non lubricated in large and regular sizes, cock rings, tit clips, Eros Gel and Wash and Dry sanitary packets. I'm more oral than anal but prepared for most situations. Surprisingly, I've never had to use the kit. Good luck in your future endeavors.:-)

[Lewis H]

>Agreed. The escort was very gracious for the 1/2 hour

>freebie~

>

> Although i totally understand that an escort who comes

>unprepared isn't a very thoughtful escort, it's also up to the

>other guy to make sure he's prepared for anything. When i am

>seeing someone, i always make sure to bring the following in

>my bag:

>

>* Latex & Polyurethane Condoms

>* Oil, Water & Silicone-based lubes.

>* Toys if requested

>* Restraints if requested

>

>It's all a matter of making sure you're prepared for the

>unexpected. Some guys like water-based lube, while others go

>apeshit for silicone-based like Eros. Also, on a very basic

>level, it's just a matter of customer service: Giving the guy

>you're seeing some choices & letting him know you care enough

>about a meeting to bring some selection to the table.

>

>On the flipside, maybe the escort in question was running late

>or simply was having a stressed out day. It happens.

>Hopefully he'll read this thread and remember in the future to

>correct things. As for his generousity for free play, he was

>obviously quite sorry about his blunder. Probably just a

>onetime mishap...

>

>Warmest Always,

>

>

>Benjamin Nicholas

 

 

Dammit, why do you have to be so far away from New York!

 

Rob Gregor, who you actually posted about in the escort travels section (I thought that you were his alias, actually) sounds like a classy guy to have given you the complimentary session, although considering your interest in his travel plans, were you a previous customer of his that he cut you some slack?

 

In any case, not only because he was so gracious about things, but I'm in agreement with the others that you should have paid him for his time, regardless of what you did, especially since you enjoyed yourself. And since you seem ready and have made steps towards rectifying that situation after the fact, you sound like a gracious guy yourself.

[Guest endoman31]

I am a buyer and expect to pay. sometimes I am not made happy.

 

Happiness isn't just going the whole way. But I have had escorts not getting it up.then who needs a condom.

 

I make it clear that I expect the escort to provide the necessities. Once with an overnighter he remembered as we pulled into my drive. We returned to the nearest pharmacy and he went in and made the purchase.

 

If the escort lets you out early, be kind if you had a good time. He probably depends on that money more than you can imagine. It is a cruel and harsh world out there.

 

One of my favorite escorts gave up. He could't make it in the Big Apple.:+

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>I am the originator of this topic and I am doing what I can to

>rectify the situation:

 

>I just emailed Rob and asked him for an address for me to send

>money for the time spent we had together. Hopefully, he will

>not have any hard feelings over this matter.

 

Good for you! We all make mistakes, but learning from them and trying to make them right takes -- and shows -- real character. If I were him I would really appreciate getting a message like that from you. Looks like this story's gonna have a happy ending after all.

[Rick Munroe]

>But if you're in bed with the guy

>already and you're having a good time, couldn't you probably

>STILL have found ways to enjoy his amazing dick and balls, and

>his great body and arms

 

Hmmm, I thought arms were part of the body. Are they now reclassified as their own entity? What about legs and ass? Are they too a "whole nother thing"? Actually, I think they are, because if I bend over to tie my shoe on 8th Ave., my ass comes home with quite a few phone numbers.

 

As for condoms: Derek (aka Energizer Top) is always prepared with his own everything, especially because he prefers his own brands and likes to know everything is fresh and up-to-date, etc. Same goes for me: I don't often get fucked (because my damn throat is such a cock hog and doesn't like to share with my other body parts, or else my dick is too busy in someone else's mouth, etc.) but for those occasions when it's specifically requested in a non-specific way ;-) , I want to and do bring my own stuff for the same reasons as Derek: I have the lube that my ass likes, and I have the condoms that my neurotic-about-safety-and-STD's brain knows are new, fresh, and way ahead of their expiration date.

[Guest DevonSFescort]

>>But if you're in bed with the guy

>>already and you're having a good time, couldn't you probably

>>STILL have found ways to enjoy his amazing dick and balls,

>and

>>his great body and arms

>

>Hmmm, I thought arms were part of the body. Are they now

>reclassified as their own entity?

 

Frankly, Rick, I'm a little surprised to hear a Howard Dean backer ask that, given the doctor's staunch support of the Second Ammendment. Or do you two part company on the question of whether every body has the right to bear arms? :+

 

>What about legs and ass?

>Are they too a "whole nother thing"? Actually, I think they

>are, because if I bend over to tie my shoe on 8th Ave., my ass

>comes home with quite a few phone numbers.

 

I think I've heard this was happening in Chelsea. Are they the bumper stickers with the 800-number that says "How's my driving?" (Or do they say "How's Derek's driving?") }(

[guptasa1]

I had one session like this and never care to again. The escort didn't bring any supplies that I know of, but I fortunately did have them. However, I paid for three hours I think (and a pretty premium price as well), and I don't think it even reached an hour and a half...might've even been only an hour. He didn't appear especially into it, I was mislead on the phone about some things, and after we both came (just oral for him and a hand job for me), he decided there was really nothing else left to do. He didn't seem to like snuggling and I got the vibe he didn't really want to hang out or talk either. It was a very uncomfortable situation, and while I consider it my fault as much as his for volunteering this, I offered that it was alright if he left early and paid him the full amount. (Frankly, I decided I'd rather spend some time alone or watch TV than be in an awkward situation with someone who didn't really want to be there.) It didn't help that I had just finished a fabulous weekend with an escort who really shines and wouldn't settle for anything less than shining. (The only reason I hired again was my flight was cancelled and I was stuck another day at my location with nothing to do, so I thought I'd give a very well-reputed agency in town a try instead of following my usual...not always though...independent-escorts only rule...big mistake generally except for one positive experience I had).

 

Anyhow, just sharing my story.

 

In general, my policy would be to pay the agreed upon rate unless we're talking a huge time discrepancy. (Like paying for a weekend, and something prevents most of it from happening, which has never happened to me.)

[Boston Guy]

Sorry you had a bad experience.

 

When I'm meeting someone new, I generally prefer to meet for an hour. That way, if things aren't great, there's not much to be lost. And, if things are going great, most guys are able to extend their time and stay for longer than originally anticipated.

 

BG

[Johninpdx]

Being new to escorting and a long-time lurker on this site, perhaps my opinion is valueless. Here is my 2 cents anyway.

 

If I lacked the foresight to carry lube and condoms to an appointment, no matter what distractions occurred the rest of the day; I certainly would not cancel the appointment after 30 minutes and expect any payment. Just to be clear, barebacking is not an option with me.

 

IMO, a reasonable approach would be to apologize to the client, explain the problem, offer to continue with the appointment with safer activity, and give the client the option of ending the session without payment.

 

I realize my statement above may make me seem "holier than thou", but I don't mean to offend anyone. As I mentioned in my opening statement, I am new at this and perhaps a little naive.

 

Don't beat me up too much guys.;-)

 

John

[jackhammer91406]

Greg,

Glad to hear it. It's the classy thing to do.

[gregkidman]

>Good for you! We all make mistakes, but learning from them

>and trying to make them right

 

Yes, it was a situation that I never really encountered before. When it happened at the time, I was flummoxed by it and didn't know how to deal with it. Hence my posting of this topic. I know that I have become a better person from this experience.

 

All of you made excellent and informative points.

 

Thanks for your help, guys.

 

Cheers,

Greg

[Alex Berlanti]

Hi,

 

This is how I make my living, I'm a bottom and this is my life we are talking about. So I would NEVER SHOW up for an appointment without proper protection. In my oppinion if you hire a plumber to come out to fix your drain you would think he would at least bring his own bottle of drainO. lol. No pun intended. But on another perspective when I contract for an hour let's say and a client gets off in 30 min. which has happened to me before, believe me we both had a lot of fun and I still expected and got my full hour rate wether we sat and talked for the next 30 min. or whatever was up to him.

 

 

Best Wishes.

 

Alex Berlanti

 

alexberlantixxx@cox.net

 

http://www.male4malescorts.com/reviews/alexberlantiwichita.html