The 1 time regular.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Does anyone get these? You know who they are: they show up 1 time, and then after that you can’t ever get them to go thru with an appointment, even though they seem to always have an interest in doing one. Either they contact too short notice to coordinate anything, or they seem to only be available when they want to be, never when I can make availability for them. Or they just flake on the next or subsequent sessions, never to be heard from again.

Why. Why do they do it? I just had this issue with 3 people this week (and all 3 have been reported accordingly)🤦🏽‍♂️  

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[cany10011]

How do you report and what happens to those individuals? 

[cany10011]

Sorry you had to experience this... however, I wouldn't label people as a 1 time regular as a regular is someone you have met multiple times and have an established understanding of expectations. 

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1 hour ago, cany10011 said:

Sorry you had to experience this... however, I wouldn't label people as a 1 time regular as a regular is someone you have met multiple times and have an established understanding of expectations. 

I say “regular” because they come around “regularly” over the phone…but never able to compromise on the time. It’s all about what works for them, not what I CAN make work for them. If you can’t book them EXACTLY when they want to meet (which is usually mid-day and for us to host them), they’ll claim to can’t make it, and then try the same shtick a few weeks later. Here’s 1 example below from someone who booked a session last summer. Since then, he’s made 3-4 appointment attempts and couldn’t make any. I’ve previously informed him I have to coordinate things, he always tries to book the same 1:30 times that I’m not usually able to accommodate. Then when I am free, he act too busy and he lives right down the street 

These are 2 separate examples below (I’m in blue, they’re grey). 

 

then another pesky guy who can’t seem to get his shit together either:

 

and then more drama:

 

It just almost has me thinking, is my rates too much for this area? Maybe they really only trying to find somebody who charge $100/$150 or something. Idk what it is. I’m starting to wonder if there’s too many guys out here doing stuff for much lower rates, and that’s creating an issue. I already experienced that where an Asian guy only charged my client $80 for massage and f**k (he has a regular FT job so it’s just play money for him). But my client always gives me $250. Both of these are in Kansas City and Saint Louis, and I’ve said before this is been one of the worst markets I’ve had to work. Can’t get enough regulars, all the new clients only call once and flake 9/10 times. 

 

 

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[cany10011]

Wow… sounds very challenging to lock in a time! I think if they really wanted to meet, they would either give more notice and try to be more flexible. But, then again I‘m not them and don’t know their life/ work situations. If there is a provider I want to really see, I‘d try to be as accomodating as possible.

 

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2 hours ago, cany10011 said:

Wow… sounds very challenging to lock in a time! I think if they really wanted to meet, they would either give more notice and try to be more flexible. But, then again I‘m not them and don’t know their life/ work situations. If there is a provider I want to really see, I‘d try to be as accomodating as possible.

 

It really is!

I explained to one of them: I don’t expect to text him out the blue and throw in a “hey I want to come to YOUR HOUSE at xx:xxx time” without any sort of coordination. Why they think it’s productive to do the same to me is so inconsiderate. Idk why they can’t get it thru, that I don’t have that option right now. 

Can’t just name a time, and expect me to actually be able to do it. Idk if people think because they’re paying, they can boss us around and say when they can have access into our residences. 
 

I used to see clients like that, when I had my solo place. But those were also the type of people I could never plan anything ahead with. I could predict they would contact me at random during the early afternoon, but never knew which day. On top of that, they would rarely book more than the session offered…so if business was slow, they never really booked anything longer than the 1 hour cum and go. 
 

That’s why I let go of my condo in Denver a few years ago. I had regulars, but they only came around when they felt like it. But were never available when I really needed them. It’s good to have regulars you can call when you need them too. Even though this may be a business, you can’t always define the laws of courtship. The Top shouldn’t be bossed around by the bottom lol. The bottom should be willing to submit to the Top 😆 

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[jeezifonly]

2 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

That’s why I let go of my condo in Denver a few years ago. I had regulars, but they only came around when they felt like it.

Awful. What is wrong with these guys???

Personally, I find always find success in sessions with providers when I have intestinal trouble or am feeling disconnected or irritable or violent. And I never cancel. 

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2 hours ago, jeezifonly said:

Awful. What is wrong with these guys???

Personally, I find always find success in sessions with providers when I have intestinal trouble or am feeling disconnected or irritable or violent. And I never cancel. 

I sense a hint of sarcasm, lol. Funny. 
 

But what I meant by the quoted text, is there were some times for me that weren’t quite convenient, and I took the booking anyway. Someone would usually reach out with something like “I’m horny now and can come in less than an hour”. However, if I said something like: I’m tied up right now, can you come at 3 instead of 1:30?”, they would usually say how “it doesn’t work for them” and it could be another week or 2 before I heard back. Sometimes MONTHS later. 
 

Like I say, I used to be okay working that way…and actually did just the other day when I was visiting a city with a return client. Which was fine because I only had about an hour and a half to check out of the hotel. But it’s not something I can accommodate all the time, and when I’ve done it once for someone: they make it a habit and next thing I know, they’re booking me on short notice EVERY time.
 

That’s when I say, okay they’re only doing it when it’s good for them…but since there’s 2 people involved, the other person has to be considered as well. 
 

On the contrary: I have clients out there who don’t mind arranging things where I at least have SOME say in the planning. Yes, clients are going to contact when they feel they want: BUT, it’s a difference between coordinating my availability, versus TELLING me when I need to be available for someone. Like the guy above “tomorrow, 1:30ish?” 
 

Umm…are you a psychic to be able to predict when I’m free, or you just tossing out a time and expect me not to have anything going on?

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[BuffaloKyle]

13 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

 

 

then another pesky guy who can’t seem to get his shit together either:

 

and then more drama:

 

 

 

 

That first guy is a total flake. Texts you at 6:30pm for 1:30 pm the next day and he says his car is "out" the next morning? What does that even mean!? Someone has it out? 🙄

The second guy probably legitimately had stuff going on and couldn't make it work to meet. Like I've said on here I hate when guys pop up in Buffalo only available the same day. I need a couple days notice usually.

And the third guy seems like he was hoping you'd quote him less since you had met with him before it sounds like asking for you to remind him of your rates. And bailed when you didn't. 

[jeezifonly]

It sure would be easier if clients and providers weren’t humans with lives beyond our encounters.

Perhaps one-time regulars are better than never-give-a-second-look regulars, though. 

I can’t imagine anyone having a first meetup and not coming back for more of you. 

 

 

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18 hours ago, BuffaloKyle said:

That first guy is a total flake. Texts you at 6:30pm for 1:30 pm the next day and he says his car is "out" the next morning? What does that even mean!? Someone has it out? 🙄

The second guy probably legitimately had stuff going on and couldn't make it work to meet. Like I've said on here I hate when guys pop up in Buffalo only available the same day. I need a couple days notice usually.

And the third guy seems like he was hoping you'd quote him less since you had met with him before it sounds like asking for you to remind him of your rates. And bailed when you didn't. 

Just to be clear: there’s only 2 separate people in these exchanges. The “3rd one” is simply a continued text from the 2nd one. 
 

But yeah absolutely. Even though the 1st guy showed up ONE TIME, he’s a pain in the ass, and I told him officially to not contact me again and that he’s being added to the bad client database. He’s contacted for appointments before, but it’s always something when trying to schedule. 
 

The other one does seem to be trying to work things out, but if he doesn’t get it together before my next tour, he’d getting chopped too. Earlier he said he’s “working on it” (trying to schedule a session with me because he “really” wants to”. But if it’s that hard to find the time, to me it feels like either they’re out in the scene being messy, or just taking me for granted. Or both, neither which is good.
 

That probably why some 1st time clients end up being blocked by providers. Maybe other escorts have experienced a similar trend, guys who come by the 1st time okay, but then become prone to flakiness after that. I don’t personally subscribe to that, it’s just a possible reason.

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[Jarrod_Uncut]

21 hours ago, jeezifonly said:

It sure would be easier if clients and providers weren’t humans with lives beyond our encounters.

Perhaps one-time regulars are better than never-give-a-second-look regulars, though. 

I can’t imagine anyone having a first meetup and not coming back for more of you. 

 

 

Thanks. Unfortunately it just seems to be the way the cookie crumbles.
 

However, I think beyond that is just things are really different right now. I wrote to RentMen today, they need to do something about the quality of clients we’re getting. It’s been getting worse. I know (a big) part of it is because my area, but I asked if RentMen had plans to bring back rates.

They also should recognize the guys with lots of reviews, and label us differently from the pop a profile up with a camera phone types who come and go. No shade, everyone starts somewhere. But I feel it’s muddying up the market a bit. I’m seeing new people pop up, and be gone by the 1st ad renewal.

Especially in the area I’m in, they’re reaching out, but they aren’t paying anything. Just playing games and wasting time. There’s people I know personally, browsing the RM sites and admitting that they never pay for ***. Then why the F are you looking? There’s tons other sites and apps, why you looking here?

That’s why it became imperative to get my website running ASAP. So I can at least have it in writing, making it clear before they step to me, I am not 1 for BS. Have the money, when you contact me. Gets rid a lot of the gamers upfront. And when I look at past messages, the ones who immediately have a problem sending a deposit or stop responding, are those who have given me the run around in the past. So, I’m not losing much except tire-kickers.

It sucks to hear in the news there’s “shortages” of workers in nearly every industry, thinking there’s a huge demand. But it’s certainly not the case in our biz. And if the job market is so great, why are so many posting on RentMen, even though there’s more than enough Rent guys in most of these cities as it is? Most medium sized cities can probably only handle having 3-5 escorts working at a time…to be able to keep a full schedule. It’s kind of like dancing at a “go go” boy bar. You can do good if there’s just 3-4 dancers. But you put 10: nobody is going to make enough money. Now it’s like 10, 20, even 30 guys in these markets, and it’s not worth it.

I was in a “smaller scale” medium city couple months ago. I pulled 1,000 in 2 days. I was the only guy posted in town. Hard to do that in many other markets, because it’s 10+ guys and they get erased and replaced every few days. The clients and regulars just wait around for the new ads, and snap them up.

I know because whenever I go away from KC or St. Louis for a month or 2 and come back, everyone wants to hit me up the 1st day I arrive. But then when I’m here consistently, nobody can get around to meeting. Perfect 😒 

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[CalTec]

I would look into a custom chat bot/booking bot to take the burden of answering questions and booking appointments. Your payment portal looks very wix, am I correct?  If so, I'm pretty sure you can integrate something like calendly to show "available" dates and times for them to see rather than respond to them individually. Your time is valuable, bots and calendar integrations help. 👍

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2 hours ago, Calix_V2 said:

I would look into a custom chat bot/booking bot to take the burden of answering questions and booking appointments. Your payment portal looks very wix, am I correct?  If so, I'm pretty sure you can integrate something like calendly to show "available" dates and times for them to see rather than respond to them individually. Your time is valuable, bots and calendar integrations help. 👍

I can see that idea working great at some point, but I do have to chat with them to arrange a schedule. Namely because I travel between 2 to 3 different cities throughout the course of the month. If I can separate calendars location, that “could” work. 
 

But peoples schedules tend to be a bit flighty too. I almost had an “8 or 9 a.m.” appointment today that someone booked yesterday, but after a few minutes corresponding, it was postponed because of a miss-sight with his schedule. Because of the location he was, it’s not something I can do on short notice or even at all, unless I have a booking. So, the deposit part is in part necessity. 
 

However, I’m seeing it’s already been a hard time doing business where I am now. It seems like very few want to do deposits. I’m so over the old school way of thinking some people have: they want us to host, and be ready. Or get in a car and drive way out to wherever they are, and they want the option to back out or change their mind. Leaving me either with the expense of a hotel, or having given out my residence address to someone who doesn’t even show up. 
 

It makes me wonder what kind of mentality these people are fostering. General consensus being: they want someone who’ll give them the opportunity to fake book a couple of times before actually going thru with it. Not on my dime, or time. I know, because I see it when I haven’t done so. 
 

 

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[Deadlift1]

Hi Mocha!

[Jamie21]

On 5/20/2022 at 6:13 AM, Storm4U said:

That is a good old-fashioned Flake in my opinion. But what I can say with absolute certitude is that when somebody REALLY wants and INTENDS to see you, they will see you and they won’t waste your time with the back and forth that will lead to nowhere, and they wont bother messaging you unless they know they have availability to schedule with you. They will contact you knowing exactly when they can see you. Me personally, I feel like you can always tell when somebody is a flake or non-committal based off of what they say in their first one or two messages and when I sensed that they were a flake, I made myself unavailable for them altogether and Blocked them. Saved me a lot of time!  Problem solved. I think your time and attention are better spent on guys who knew what they wanted and knew how to make it happen. 

100% agree with @Storm4U. When clients contact with a request to book stating a day, time and duration then they’re not going to flake. There’s loads of information about me, pics (even a demo video), my massage styles, location, rates, testimonials etc for anyone to make a decision to hire me before contacting me, so that by the time they contact they’re already committed to book. Then it’s just practical questions about the session and any requests they have.

Those that begin the message with ‘I’d love a massage’ or ‘hey sexy’ or ‘how much is it?’ or even worse…a dick or bum pic…are highly unlikely to book and it’s pointless me engaging with them beyond my initial response. I simply direct them to my website and say if they’d like to book a time to let me know the date/time/duration they’d like. 

50% of my enquiries end up as bookings, and 99% of those booked turn up. No deposits are taken, no ‘sex chats’ are engaged in, no bargaining over rates happens - I never discount, and no fantasists are indulged. But I’ll bend over backwards (literally 😂) for genuine clients who appreciate great sensual massage, especially my regular clients. 

[Storm4U]

That is a good old-fashioned Flake in my opinion. But what I can say with absolute certitude is that when somebody REALLY wants and INTENDS to see you, they will see you and they won’t waste your time with the back and forth that will lead to nowhere, and they wont bother messaging you unless they know they have availability to schedule with you. They will contact you knowing exactly when they can see you. Me personally, I feel like you can always tell when somebody is a flake or non-committal based off of what they say in their first one or two messages and when I sensed that they were a flake, I made myself unavailable for them altogether and Blocked them. Saved me a lot of time!  Problem solved. I think your time and attention are better spent on guys who know what they wanted and know how to make it happen. 

Edited May 22, 2022 by Storm4U

[Jarrod_Uncut]

On 5/21/2022 at 2:13 AM, Jamie21 said:

100% agree with @Storm4U. When clients contact with a request to book stating a day, time and duration then they’re not going to flake. There’s loads of information about me, pics (even a demo video), my massage styles, location, rates, testimonials etc for anyone to make a decision to hire me before contacting me, so that by the time they contact they’re already committed to book. Then it’s just practical questions about the session and any requests they have.

Those that begin the message with ‘I’d love a massage’ or ‘hey sexy’ or ‘how much is it?’ or even worse…a dick or bum pic…are highly unlikely to book and it’s pointless me engaging with them beyond my initial response. I simply direct them to my website and say if they’d like to book a time to let me know the date/time/duration they’d like. 

50% of my enquiries end up as bookings, and 99% of those booked turn up. No deposits are taken, no ‘sex chats’ are engaged in, no bargaining over rates happens - I never discount, and no fantasists are indulged. But I’ll bend over backwards (literally 😂) for genuine clients who appreciate great sensual massage, especially my regular clients. 

If that system works for you, that’s great. Unfortunately, it can be a bit harder to know here who’s serious in certain markets. In some areas, people don’t see (especially of certain ethnic) escorts as professionals, and approach in a way like they want a hookup. Even people who make times and plans can still fall thru at the last minute. Leaving one with missed earnings. I’ve had the happen multiple times especially the ones who seem like they want to book the next day, and then “wake up sick” the next day. That’s why I had to stay adamant about pre-deposits. Also got tired of chasing down for cancellation fees.
 

Even at a rate of 50%, that’s more inquiries not turning into bookings than I’d prefer. That could mean 1 out of 2 clients show up to my hotel in a day (not good). 
 

In some cases though I am willing waive deposits for some, but they usually have to do something else to verify: like provide their address and phone number. But even that’s not always enough. 

21 hours ago, Storm4U said:

That is a good old-fashioned Flak in my opinion. But what I can say with absolute certitude is that when somebody REALLY wants and INTENDS to see you, they will see you and they won’t waste your time with the back and forth that will lead to nowhere, and they wont bother messaging you unless they know they have availability to schedule with you. They will contact you knowing exactly when they can see you. Me personally, I feel like you can always tell when somebody is a flake or non-committal based off of what they say in their first one or two messages and when I sensed that they were a flake, I made myself unavailable for them altogether and Blocked them. Saved me a lot of time!  Problem solved. I think your time and attention are better spent on guys who know what they wanted and know how to make it happen. 

Right, but the problem is: both of the clients mentioned, I’ve met before. So sometimes it can be a little harder to dismiss them if you know they’re real. But even repeat clients can be F.O.S. Like this example below:

This is a client I’ve met twice. He made a joke, followed by the above response (in grey). Granted, I probably opened the door to it by contacting him 1st to let him know I’m back in the area and available. So there is some merit to what @Jamie21 said about not contacting clients and letting them do the contact. But I know some clients appreciate being contacted about a provider’s return to the area, though some like to engage knowing damn well they aren’t in a position to.
 

One thing I am tired of though: is gay guys IN GENERAL wasting my time. I’ve had that happen like twice in the past couple weeks. I have a system and do ask deposits from clients, but now I have to have to start implementing a system for hookup app guys too (if I don’t decide to just discontinue the use of them all, because they’re the biggest timewasters of any platform). 
 

One who I met before and had a good time, the 2nd time I come over and he’s smoking weed, all tired and watching YouTube videos and barely talking or wanted to fuck. Next morning, he’s bouncing around at 6:30 a.m. talking about he has to be at work by 7 (meaning I had to go). Yet I barely got a wink of sleep because it was hot and he snored too much. 
 

Another idiot in St. Louis I met at a nightclub, then I invited him over the next day. He comes in, looking like he’s been up all night, and immediately trying to have sex like he’s a paying client. After sampling each other for 10 minutes, he quits and get dressed unexpectedly. All the while, every red flag  was telling me no, no, no. Don’t even open the door for him (because he wouldn’t leave me his number, but I had his Instagram and grindr). But his looks had me ignoring all the signs 🤦🏽‍♂️ 

You would think as gay people, we’d be there for each other, showing a bit more integrity. Nope. The gay scene in many areas fosters “White bonding”, but the level of smug and “do for me” attitude towards gay men of color is appalling. That’s why I’m not going out of my way for anybody else if they can’t show an equal level of effort

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[Jamie21]

4 hours ago, Jarrod_Uncut said:

Even at a rate of 50%, that’s more inquiries not turning into bookings than I’d prefer. That could mean 1 out of 2 clients show up to my hotel in a day (not good). 

I mean a good proportion of the 50% of enquiries that don’t end up as bookings are because I wasn’t available at the time they wanted. Some don’t book because I’m too expensive, some don’t book because I’m a guy (yes, I get enquiries believing I’m female…some of them are hilarious) and one last week thought I was based in Australia (God knows why?). So it’s often just practical reasons they don’t book, not because they’re being flaky. 

[Jarrod_Uncut]

3 hours ago, Jamie21 said:

I mean a good proportion of the 50% of enquiries that don’t end up as bookings are because I wasn’t available at the time they wanted. Some don’t book because I’m too expensive, some don’t book because I’m a guy (yes, I get enquiries believing I’m female…some of them are hilarious) and one last week thought I was based in Australia (God knows why?). So it’s often just practical reasons they don’t book, not because they’re being flaky. 

lol, define too expensive?