Gay escort guide?

[Thomas_Belgium]

Hi guys,

 

A few months ago I changed my profile text on my Romeo.com page, saying “I only using this profile for Hunqz as a client”. Last week I got messages from two young guys asking me about this. Stuff like “How do paydates work?” and “I'm a student & I want to earn something extra”, I answered their questions.

Today I searched the web for a good handbook or something for (new) gay escorts but couldn't find a good. I found some guidelines on sekswerk.info but in my opinion this guide wouldn't be very helpful for the guys that contacted me last week.

So, now I'm thinking about writing gay escort guides myself (for clients and providers). Do you guys think this is a good idea? If so, would you guys help me with your knowledge? One of the reasons I want to do this is because I want to become a better client, I think by writing this guide I would understand the industry better and I hope that better knowledge would improve my future paydates (I only had one paydate nine years ago).

 

[Kevin Slater]

 

1 hour ago, Thomas_Belgium said:

Do you guys think this is a good idea?

Frankly, no.  Not sure what advice I'd trust from someone who has only been on the one side of the transaction, once.  Perhaps search harder.  I'm sure there are some how-to guides out there, a few of them good even. 

Never read it, but have heard others hold this one in esteem:  The Male Escort's Handbook: Your Guide to Getting Rich the Hard Way by Aaron Lawrence.  It may be dated by now.

You could also refer them to this site, specifically the ask a provider forum.

Kevin Slater

[Kevin Slater]

But since you asked, I've posted this before:

• Don't bother with blocked phone calls. Seriously. He's a time waster.
• Same for texts that come through from an email address.
   
• Hear a voice on the phone before heading over or giving your address. Subsequent booking can be made via text.
   
• It's not a bad idea to call the hotel and get patched through to the room before heading over, especially if something strikes you as 'off'.
• The likelihood of a future booking actually happening is inversely proportional to the number of texts, calls and emails beforehand.
   
• Keep note of the numbers that flake on you, for they'll do it again in six months. And that same guy has done it to me, and every other escort.
• Be leery of drunk. They often pass out before you get there, or after.
   
• He may be having a great time and want to extend the session. Mazel tov. But he may be thinking with his little head and not have the funds. Settle up occasionally.
   
• Every client starts as a first timer. But first timers also often lose their nerve, and you lose your time and effort.
• Don't front the money for a first time session (hotel, travel, etc.) and rarely for repeat sessions.
   
• Don't drive two hours without a deposit (e.g. Venmo or Amazon e-gift card).
• Key words that indicate this is going nowhere: Engineer, Nigeria, "your city".
   
• Don't discount your first session because he's going to see you weekly. Future sessions may be negotiable, initial bookings are always full fare.
• Make some friends in the biz. They've seen it all before and can offer guidance.
   
• Trust your gut. A few bucks isn't worth your health, safety, or freedom.

Most guys you'll meet will be wonderful and pleasant. Some will be odd ducks, and even that can be fun or at least entertaining. A few are bad eggs, but those guys are extremely prolific in wasting your time.

Kevin Slater

[uwsman2]

Aaron Lawrence.  There is a blast from the past.   I actually had some play dates with him.  A gorgeous twink back in the day, and very entrepreneurial.  I suspect he made his pile from escorting, invested well, and retired to do other things.  

[Thomas_Belgium]

Kevin, thanks for your replies, I'll refer the guys this site.

[John]

There may be something on romeo.com or hunqz.

[Thomas_Belgium]

7 minutes ago, John said:

There may be something on romeo.com or hunqz.

If there is, I can't find it.

[+ not2rowdy]

The author used to be a forum member years back. It’s now somewhat dated, and it was never completed by the author. However, this link is still active and has some good basics. Suggest copy and paste the document - it might just disappear at some point. Click on each “Part” to see that chapter. Part 10 was the last one.

http://www.devonhunter.info/archives/2685/

[MikeBiDude]

7 hours ago, uwsman2 said:

Aaron Lawrence.  There is a blast from the past.   I actually had some play dates with him.  A gorgeous twink back in the day, and very entrepreneurial.  I suspect he made his pile from escorting, invested well, and retired to do other things.  

Aaron was fun!

https://www.amazon.com/Suburban-Hustler-Stories-Hi-Tech-Callboy/dp/0966769104/ref=sr_1_1?crid=2R4BCI75ZCTVQ&keywords=aaron+lawrence&qid=1649178015&s=books&sprefix=Aaron+lawre%2Cstripbooks%2C148&sr=1-1

[+ WilliamM]

I must have met Aaron on a day when he was exhausted. I have written before that he was trying to sell his book (with his boy friend) in Philadelphia.

[liubit]

On 4/5/2022 at 2:00 AM, Kevin Slater said:

Never read it, but have heard others hold this one in esteem:  The Male Escort's Handbook: Your Guide to Getting Rich the Hard Way by Aaron Lawrence.  It may be dated by now.

This is a classic. 

[+ robear]

Allen Silver recently published a memoir that gives a lot of information on his journey to a career as a sex worker (among other things), in his case at a somewhat mature age.

A Man of Use

[Guest]

On 4/5/2022 at 2:11 AM, uwsman2 said:

Aaron Lawrence.  There is a blast from the past.   I actually had some play dates with him.  A gorgeous twink back in the day, and very entrepreneurial.  I suspect he made his pile from escorting, invested well, and retired to do other things.  

I remember his ads from over 2 decades ago. He was charging some ridiculous amount, if I'm recalling correctly, maybe something like over $300, which was unheard-of at the time. I probably would have enjoyed meeting him. He seemed like an interesting man. But I remember seeing his rates and thinking "Geez. He's not that good-looking!"

[MikeBiDude]

7 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

"Geez. He's not that good-looking!"

But he was that great!

[uwsman2]

6 hours ago, Unicorn said:

I remember his ads from over 2 decades ago. He was charging some ridiculous amount, if I'm recalling correctly, maybe something like over $300, which was unheard-of at the time. I probably would have enjoyed meeting him. He seemed like an interesting man. But I remember seeing his rates and thinking "Geez. He's not that good-looking!"

He accelerated his rates before he disappeared from the scene. I never paid 300 in those days for an escort.  

[Rod Hagen]

On 4/10/2022 at 7:27 PM, Unicorn said:

He's not that good-looking!"

 

On 4/10/2022 at 7:34 PM, MikeBiDude said:

But he was that great!

You two have just expressed the twin poles of hiring:   Do you prioritize experiential joy or physical-beauty joy? 

And don't say fucking both.  I'm so fucking sick of people, when asked "which do you prefer" stupidly saying both.  Yeah, no shit Sherlock.  But, when you are asked what you prefer, isn't it more helpful to actually think for a moment, and answer with a single answer, rather than just saying both.  Do you prefer caramel or chocolate?  "Both."  Thoughtless answer. Which do you TRULY prefer, gun to your goddam head? 

Again, fuck "both".

Anyway, my rant about lazy dialogue is over. 

[MikeBiDude]

8 hours ago, Rod Hagen said:

experiential joy

This!

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Rod Hagen said:

 

You two have just expressed the twin poles of hiring:   Do you prioritize experiential joy or physical-beauty joy? ...

I think that's called a false dilemma. One can have both. 

Edited April 13, 2022 by Unicorn

[Rod Hagen]

19 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

I think that's called a false dilemma. One can have both. 

It's not a false dilemma.  When you consider reaching out to a guy, which pulls you in more, initially,  the description of their personality combined with their reputation, or their looks?  Neither answer makes you good or bad as a person or a client, but it's a willful obfuscation to simply say it's a false dilemma, because you know that everyone here, who's been on this board for some time, knows that ugly men can be duds, beautiful men can be duds, men in between can be duds, and yes, good for you all, beautiful men can be beautiful at what they do just as ugly men and in between men can be beautiful at what they do.  And every kind of man can be just so so too.  Yes, we all know that.  SO, is it beauty that makes you click, or description?

Looking through your reviews it seems like you gravitate toward beauty first, and then winnow those men down further by reputation, description, and likability.  It seems you've always liked jocks, I was a few years past being a jock when we met :-)  

Also, when are you and/or you and your partner going to come down from the hill and meet me at Bottega Louie for Coffee and/or lunch?

I guess what I'm getting at is, yes, there are Kristians, who are beautiful and fantastic, and there are funny looking guys like Aaron, who are fantastic, but yes, funny looking (I though he was funny looking anyway, like an ageless twink).  But are you paying for the beauty first, in which case Kristian has every "right" to charge a lot (I don't think he does) or first for the experience and reputation, in which case AL has every "right" to charge a lot?

 

[Rod Hagen]

My memory is that AL was charging $350/hour (holy shit, 20 years ago!) in the last days of his career, before he transitioned to making those wretched Russian Porn movies.  Where is he now?  

I enjoyed his books, not because they are helpful (escorting is NOT difficult), but because they were so honest.  He often came across as opportunistic.  And, you know what, the best escorts are, of course, very compassionate, like on the level of the best nurses (I'm not suggesting escorting is nearly as difficult or as necessary as nursing), but also opportunistic.  By that I mean we are constantly putting the client first, compassion, while simultaneously and quietly guarding our own interests and looking for "opportunities" that benefit both us and the client.  

Honestly, I thought John Preston's "Hustling, A gentleman's guide to the fine art of prostitution" was a fairly good handbook.

https://www.amazon.com/Hustling-Gentlemans-Guide-Homosexual-Prostitution/dp/1563331373

What Kevin wrote above is good, but I would add that you really don't need to worry much about flakes.  I've been an escort for 23 years and I can still count on one hand and one or two fingers on the other the number of no shows.  And, yes, people sometimes waste time with endless emails, in the past, and texts, in the present.  It's rare, it's not especially bothersome.  It's only especially bothersome if you have a Zillenial's attitude toward text and feel you need to respond immediately.  Gen-X, we answer messages at the end of the day.

Just escort, it's not hard, it's fun.  

Edited April 13, 2022 by Rod Hagen

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Rod Hagen said:

It's not a false dilemma.  When you consider reaching out to a guy, which pulls you in more, initially,  the description of their personality combined with their reputation, or their looks?...

When going through Rentmen ads, I first look at looks, as I suppose most people do. Will I hire someone with bad reviews or a bad reputation? No. There are tons of escorts I wouldn't consider due to bad reputations. Do you believe that there are people who first look at reviews, then the photos? I imagine that would be pretty rare. 

Edited April 13, 2022 by Unicorn

[Rod Hagen]

1 minute ago, Unicorn said:

When going through Rentmen ads, I first look at looks, as I suppose most people do. Will I hire someone with bad reviews or a bad reputation? No. There are tons of escorts I wouldn't consider due to bad reputations. Do you believe that there are people who first look at reviews, then the photos? I imagine that would be pretty rare. 

I think it's likely rare.  But there are some escorts, who aren't particularly attractive, but do well based on reputation.  Or at least there used to be.  Anyway, I was just curious.

[MikeBiDude]

39 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

When going through Rentmen ads, I first look at looks, as I suppose most people do.

 

36 minutes ago, Rod Hagen said:

I think it's likely rare

Some may use the providers preferences/activities and filter out some ads, even before perusing pics/ads.

[+ WilliamM]

1 hour ago, Unicorn said:

When going through Rentmen ads, I first look at looks, as I suppose most people do. Will I hire someone with bad reviews or a bad reputation? No. There are tons of escorts I wouldn't consider due to bad reputations. Do you believe that there are people who first look at reviews, then the photos? I imagine that would be pretty rare. 

Back in the dark ages of reliable escort agencies, yes a few were very reliable,  the director of an agency  in Philadelphia would help me choose between two guys.

I particularly remember when a Greek escort's photo was sexier than a Norwegian's. The director was right, the Norwegian was both goodlooking and very, very reliable. I saw him from 1999 to 2002.

[+ The Big Guy]

Initial interest in contacting is always 100% on looks.