Seeking Hooville's Advice

[Guest MickeyMoosie]

>"let's consider this passage from

>Alfred Lord Tennyson"

>

>I'd happily consider Tennyson but Paul McCartney's "Can't

>Buy Me Love" is playing loudly on the radio, tugging at

>my cynical strings.

>

>Just a few observations:

>

>"a bright, 28yo, handsome, muscled

>guy"

>

>But not terribly ambitious. Unless were talkin' millions, why

>settle for one dollar when life offers so many?

>

>"am looking for one steady

>fella"

>

>And how do you define "relationship?"

>

>"Neither of us are interested in a

>relationship."

>

>I'm smellin' some shit on a plate. Is zipperzone the

>28-year-old?

>

>"We are not living

>together."

>

>On the fringes, perhaps, but not that unusual in the

>"married" world.

>

>"We are not interested in controlling

>each other"

>

>You say that now but wait...

>

>"if it's not fun for both, then it's

>just not fun"

>

>I believe this is the mantra for co-dependants.

>

>"(He) has been looking for someone

>"grounded" to help him along in life. Money yes, but

>also advice, and maybe helping to open doors for him in the

>future."

>

>I sure hope your name is Geffen.

>

>"What advice could y'all give me in

>this situation?"

>

>Stop talking like Paula Dean.

>

>"He has never done anything like this

>before, and doesn't have any idea what financial

>considerations would be fair."

>

>Now you really have described most first-time marriages. Maybe

>someone should consider a pre-nup?

>

>"Do you have any ideas of how to

>compensate him for his time or interesting ways to help him

>financially, or gifts to keep him feeling special?

>

>What? Compensation? Isn't the gift of "grounded

>helping," "advice," and "doors that

>open" payment enough for his time? Here's a special gift:

>a boot in the ass for that lazy, ungrateful

>28-going-on-10-year-old.

>

>"Any suggestions on keeping it

>fresh?"

>

>A Ziplock baggy?

>

>"Can you share some pitfalls, trouble

>signs, or warnings I need to be aware of?"

>

>Oh, honey, you truly are lost. (Maybe you could set a price

>for every fuck and keep it way simple?)

>

>Happy holidays!

 

 

OMG! Someone is channeling Fin Fang Foom!!!

[RockHard]

RE: FFF

 

"OMG! Someone is channeling Fin Fang Foom!!!"

 

I knew there was a reason why I liked that heartless bitch.

[+ Charlie]

Curious that someone who has been a member here for less than a month is familiar with FFF, who (supposedly) stopped posting here a long time ago.

[best hotel]

...the "falling in love part" is emotionally danerous, but managable, if both parties are mature and have boundaries

[RockHard]

Given the multiple username, troll infected state of this board, I, too, am curious when a newbie knows his Hooboy history.

 

But, then again, I was a newbie once and read this board for years and years before I joined. Postings from FFF, DevonSF, and others were familiar to me long before I actually got the opportunity to verbally wrestle with some jockstraps and bitch queens.

 

Who's who? The truth is, I don't give a shit anymore. Like HIV and anonymous sex, I assume everyone here is actually deej or Rick Munroe. As long as the usernames they use make sense or make funny, I'll comment or not. (I have never objected to talking to myself.)

 

I do believe I'm the only poster on this board who has ever given Daddy permission to publicly reveal whether my I.P. address shows up on more than one username on this forum. As far as I'm concerned, I know I can be trusted to be me. :-)

 

ps Charlie, I know who you are.

[Cooper]

Q."Can you share some pitfalls, trouble signs, or warnings I need to be aware of?"

 

A. "Oh, honey, you truly are lost. (Maybe you could set a price for every fuck and keep it way simple?)"

 

Who would like to be the next returning guest on, "SEEKING HOOVILLE'S ADVICE"? }(

[Guest MickeyMoosie]

>Curious that someone who has been a member here for less than

>a month is familiar with FFF, who (supposedly) stopped posting

>here a long time ago.

 

 

You obviously didn't read one of my first posts. I've been a lurker here for years but I had chosen not to participate because it's filled with so many nasty cunts (you know who you are).

 

However, I decided to grow some balls, stop lurking and jump into the cyber-mosh pit.

 

I'm well-acquainted with the entire cast of characters.

 

Plus, Fin Fang Foom is probably the most famous/infamous/loved/hated character on this board so anyone with even a minor exposure to this board would know who he is/was.

 

However, since this board if filled with tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists, I'm sure someone will be convinced I'm the reincarnation of FFF or someone else.

 

I take it as a compliment that someone would think I'm as clever as he is/was.

 

With that in mind, I'll close in his signature style.

 

Humbly yours,

 

MM

[+ Charlie]

I know you do--I've saved your emails to me.

[JT Brooklyn]

Well...M.M. It looks like WE once again have a case of "IF ya don't like what I say don't read it"! I've read your 60 POSTS and after over 6000 of my own... I've made my mind up, as have I'm sure many others!

 

HAPPY HOLIDAYS it seems like your "gonna need" some Good Wishes! ;-)

 

P.S. No JT is NOT all Inclusive like our New President! We all make mistakes! ;-)

[Lookin]

> Who would like to be the next returning guest on, "SEEKING HOOVILLE'S ADVICE"?

 

I’ve been thinking about it. Right now, it’s between that and a nice Christmas week in Kashmir.

 

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1385488,00.jpg

 

Or maybe I’ll just open a vein.

 

ps: Charlie, I don’t know who you are, but hope to have the pleasure one day.

[rentingdad]

"Renting..and may I add..Your EXCLUSIVE is a HUNK"

 

Thank you JT and I would have to agree with you....and he's a hell of a nice guy as well.

[+ glutes]

>

>However, since this board if filled with tinfoil hat wearing

>conspiracy theorists, I'm sure someone will be convinced I'm

>the reincarnation of FFF or someone else.

 

Or stated simply: "What's that smell?"

[raulgmanzo]

Seems like along with some good advice there is a lot of cynicism. I've had the pleasure of meeting Jawjateck, he is a fun, intelligent, and handsome guy. I don't doubt that his new friend truly enjoys spending time with him. Enjoy it while it lasts, move on or mix it up when it stops being enjoyable.

 

Good luck!

[+ Charlie]

Likewise, Lookin.

[jawjateck]

Thanks guys for the great responses. Your encouragement, well wishes, and heart-felt advice are much appreciated, and give me much to think about and work through in this new direction I am taking. I have high expectations from my fellow posters here, and y'all didn't disappoint. Even critics and cynics are welcome, and I read those comments carefully too. I take it all in stride; this is, after all, just the internet. I realized many years ago that I can learn something from criticism, even the most unjust, and uninformed criticism. I never reject it out of a wounded ego; I embrace it and use it.

 

Special thanks to the thoughtful, meaty posts from Coop, Charlie, rentingdad, Okie (I would love to be your cameraman one day; can I pick up Devon and bring him to shoot one of your action movies????), lookin (your email was awesome!), bigjoey, and David-SF. Oh and Raul, you are too sweet to remember me that way. You still rock my world, sexy! :9

 

I'm not renouncing my citizenship in Hooville, look forward to chiming in once in a while, and will keep you posted how it all works out. Bottom line: I'm gonna enjoy what I have with my new guy for as long as it's fun for both of us, and if it ever ceases to be fun, I'll just move on to my next adventure.

 

You honor me that you care enough to post. Thanks again guys!

[Okliehomo]

Of course, you can... all are welcome... (well, not all)... I even got myself a brand new cement pond, and I hear from my cast of characters that you are pretty hot your own damned self (there I go, talking like Paula Dean... ), so come on down... and feel free to pick up the elusive Devon Roff, then head on up to Peoria and get some Justice and then you have to head out west and get me some David, because apparently, sadly, none of this seems to work without him anymore. How exactly did THAT happen??????

 

Wow. Enough, about me. Slow curtain, the end.

 

Seriously, though, your response is proof positive what a classy and intelligent part of this board you were and exemplifies how much we miss guys like you. Or I do, anyway..

 

Enjoy your new adventure. Who the fuck knows? I doubt any of us, for sure. My real advice is test the waters ( and I don't mean Tristan)... buy dinner, give him gifts, romantic stuff, and see what he expects after that. True colors always show.... AND never put anything of his in your name.... like a car... or credit card... or house. NOT that I have...

 

I am just saying.

 

So, see you this Spring? Bring him, too.... as long as he's not camera shy.

 

Okie

[jawjateck]

Okie.....When winter begins to thaw, I would like to head up to your neck of the woods. Be great to meet a fellow Hoovillian that I value and admire, hang out, and ohhh ummm uhhh, partake of the escort buffet you suggest. :9 I like the way you think.

 

Take care friend! See you in '09!

[Okliehomo]

Sounds good to me. I will work on getting Devon Roff to join.

 

Count on it.

 

Okie

[NYTomcat]

Seeking Hooville's Advice... again

 

Well I was rummaging through the archives trying to deal with some of my own issues and I came across this little Gem. Honestly I have read it three times through (yes even MM and ZZ's comments). I can only say what a truly unique collection of people we have involved in this forum. I Resurrect this for two reasons

 

1) I would love to hear the follow-up on how these turned out.

 

2) I have my own crisis of conscious as it were

 

As to the first, I will leave that to our own posters to answer...As to the second here goes:

 

I have recently found myself in a crisis of conscious over hiring. I must admit that when I started this adventure in hooville, I believed it was a transition for me as my life moved from the "straight" and narrow to something more broad, colorful and hopefully twisted . But I have found other things while here. As I forsee myself hiring for at least the near future it has raised some serious questions and concerns for me.

 

Self Esteem:

There have been many threads that discuss the fact that it is hirer's lack of self esteem that often has them seek out escorts. While I do not know if that is true or not, I wonder if the alternate is not. Does hiring take a blow to our self esteem? How do we not feel somehow lessened by the fact we are paying for someone to have sex, sleep, befriend, flog or otherwise sexually service our needs? I do not say this to belittle any of us for I do feel others here have confronted what I now feel and have found a positive way through that. So seriously, I seek the advice on this. How do I get past that?

 

MORALITY:

No not in the conventional sense. Cause I do hate convention. But related too and beyond the self esteem issue, does anyone else question how it makes you feel to hire someone. Ok maybe I look at this too sociologically but how do I not feel that I am using someone. Taking advantage of the fact they need assets I have. Am I not "using" that person for my own self gratifying needs. Yes and they are using me, that I understand. But can that symbiotic relationship ever maintain itself or will it always turn parasitic. This seemed less a concern when my thought was to hire for anonymous encounters. Now that I have gotten to know and like and speak with so many escorts, as we all have, am I not "using" a friend or aquaintance.

 

 

 

I know I overthink way too much. Its an old habit I find hard to break. But these concerns seem to creep in to my encounters of late. So any advice on these issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks sooo much.

[KMEM]

After spending all my life (21+ years) self analyzing who and what I might be and having come to a conclusion at least 2-3 days ago, I now give myself over to the luxury of wondering and hoping I am not damaging others, specifically escorts.

 

Best regards,

KMEM

[adriano46]

Well I was rummaging through the archives trying to deal with some of my own issues and I came across this little Gem. Honestly I have read it three times through (yes even MM and ZZ's comments). I can only say what a truly unique collection of people we have involved in this forum. I Resurrect this for two reasons

 

1) I would love to hear the follow-up on how these turned out.

 

2) I have my own crisis of conscious as it were

 

As to the first, I will leave that to our own posters to answer...As to the second here goes:

 

I have recently found myself in a crisis of conscious over hiring. I must admit that when I started this adventure in hooville, I believed it was a transition for me as my life moved from the "straight" and narrow to something more broad, colorful and hopefully twisted . But I have found other things while here. As I forsee myself hiring for at least the near future it has raised some serious questions and concerns for me.

 

Self Esteem:

There have been many threads that discuss the fact that it is hirer's lack of self esteem that often has them seek out escorts. While I do not know if that is true or not, I wonder if the alternate is not. Does hiring take a blow to our self esteem? How do we not feel somehow lessened by the fact we are paying for someone to have sex, sleep, befriend, flog or otherwise sexually service our needs? I do not say this to belittle any of us for I do feel others here have confronted what I now feel and have found a positive way through that. So seriously, I seek the advice on this. How do I get past that?

 

MORALITY:

No not in the conventional sense. Cause I do hate convention. But related too and beyond the self esteem issue, does anyone else question how it makes you feel to hire someone. Ok maybe I look at this too sociologically but how do I not feel that I am using someone. Taking advantage of the fact they need assets I have. Am I not "using" that person for my own self gratifying needs. Yes and they are using me, that I understand. But can that symbiotic relationship ever maintain itself or will it always turn parasitic. This seemed less a concern when my thought was to hire for anonymous encounters. Now that I have gotten to know and like and speak with so many escorts, as we all have, am I not "using" a friend or aquaintance.

 

 

 

I know I overthink way too much. Its an old habit I find hard to break. But these concerns seem to creep in to my encounters of late. So any advice on these issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks sooo much.

 

NY Tom.

 

Very provocative and throught provoking -- I was typing furiously a LONG answer but realised I had nothing to add to what you wrote, so simply write, GREAT POST.

[NYTomcat]

Thanks adriano. Sometimes the questions seem to be the only answers. But any thoughts would be appreciated

[Guest DuchessIvanaKizznhugg]

NYTomcat, I'll give it a shot.

 

Self Esteem:

Does hiring take a blow to our self esteem? How do we not feel somehow lessened by the fact we are paying for someone to have sex, sleep, befriend, flog or otherwise sexually service our needs?

 

For me, the answer lies in your own belief system. You can only feel "lessened" if you allow someone that power over you. It is YOU who are accepting a feeling of "lessening" if you feel that way.

 

While the broader society--which is still very much "stuck" with the centuries-old pronouncements of all things sexual that the church imposed--may "tsk tsk" about hiring for sex, the same society doesn't seem to mind (just as an example) the increasing utilization of young people as sexual objects as is happening in mainstream advertising. It doesn't mind that many in our society are becoming obese, while we still have children--a significant number of them--who go to bed hungry. In my mind, the mainstream society is still both hypocritical and dysfunctional in its approach to what is best for you. And what seemed best one generation ago, is clearly not what seems best now. Perhaps you are like Panasonic.....just slightly ahead of your time

 

The better question is, do YOU believe it places a blow to your self-esteem? Or do you believe, as a mature and free adult:

 

-you are able to investigate without fear what interests you from the world around you. Do you feel "lessened" in investigating the world or art, say, vs. the world of politics? The world of music vs. the world of theatre?

Then how is it any different that you are investigating the world of sexual behaviour?

 

Do you believe, as a mature and free adult:

-you are able to feed your biological hankerings without the approval of others.

Do you feel "lessened" in enjoying steak vs. seafood? Or vegetables vs. proteins? Or red wine vs. scotch? At eating pizza for breakfast, and eggs for dinner? Again, then how is satisfying a sexual hunger any different? (Apart from the fact that the church/society says..."Don't scratch, you evil person, you"?)

 

Perhaps instead of feeling "lessened", you could feel "empowered" for not being afraid to live life to the fullest. For having the "courage" to step outside the norm. For being "interested" to investigate the marvellous buffet of life for yourself, instead of relying on the pronouncements of others to form the box in which your one shot at life is lived.

MORALITY:

But can that symbiotic relationship ever maintain itself or will it always turn parasitic. This seemed less a concern when my thought was to hire for anonymous encounters. Now that I have gotten to know and like and speak with so many escorts, as we all have, am I not "using" a friend or aquaintance.

 

I want to gather my thoughts a bit more on this one, but will get back to you later today.

[NYTomcat]

Duchess as always you touch me soul and problem like a surgeon. Thank you. Cause your absolutely right. I may even have the say the answer to the second lies in the first. A wise friend once said to me he could only be used if he allowed himself to be. Dont think I really got that at the time. But if I accept and I do its my perception that views higher as lessening my self esteem. Then conversely it is the escorts perception of lowering their self esteem or being used. I can't assume im using someone and thereby damaging them unless that is their perception. I guess I have to trust that if that was the case they would either not be in the profession. Or that other needs so outweigh that feeling as to make it moot. Either way I have to leave that to them.

 

Philosophically this is right. Now feeling something so ingrained and knowing it are not the same. So you are right its me that has to decide how I truly feel. Well that sucks.

 

 

I would like to hear your further thought though duchess if you have the time. BTW thank you

[dapurplebear]

NYTom --

 

I too (as one newer to all this) struggle with these issues - but for me it stems from finding the truth in the encounter -- do they say they like it, just because I am paying for attention -- if that is the case, (and I have felt that sometimes) then that sucks for me - for I hope there is some reciprication of pleasure in the encounter.

 

Concerning "using a friend" - that is hard too -- I feel I know a bit about some of the people here and they don't know who I am -- I am preparing for an encounter that I am excited to think will be awesome, but I am wondering how casual to be - for I have heard a lot about him - pets, likes, (well not all of them - yet!), etc. -- the familiarity part - maybe it should just be labelled the comfortable part is really important for me, for them I can really relax and be all that I want to be...

 

...I am rambling - but those are some of my thoughts -- more to come and I am sure there are more to weigh in with far more insightful ideas than me... but I will keep working on it!! :-)