Question to clients: Do you care if the provider is vaccinated?

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

30 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

that just matches your id to the name you put on the copied blank CDC card. i know only the group that gave you the shot has records including your name because i got a duplicate and only Albertson's/Safeway had my records. there's often no master list that has names. i wish there were. Illinois has one.

You're really not getting this, are you?

How do they fake the digital databases that are kept in 46 states with batch numbers and names?  They take the info and cross-reference it.

If they can't match it, they don't give you a vax passport.  

 

So, yes, these digital vax passports are very difficult to falsify.

[MikeBiDude]

3 hours ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

Companies like GoGetVax are taking the lot numbers, date vaxxed and checking them against databases to verify. 

Wow, Thanks my good friend @Benjamin_Nicholas

5 minutes of easy registration via text messaging and a few minutes later I received:

“The level 2 verification of your vaccine card is complete.” and easily added this to my Apple Wallet!

 

[Islesguy]

As I mentioned a while ago, NYS has an excelsior pass that you download to your phone or print out. I could not get mine from them until 14 days following the first full day after my second dose (or J&J shot if you got that). It includes a qr code that can be scanned. 

 

[MikeBiDude]

4 hours ago, MikeBiDude said:

Wow, Thanks my good friend @Benjamin_Nicholas

5 minutes of easy registration via text messaging and a few minutes later I received:

“The level 2 verification of your vaccine card is complete.” and easily added this to my Apple Wallet!

 

BTW, I had a couple of concerns about my original vaccine card which is why I wanted to get some online/digital verification.

1) The team administering the first dose of my vaccine had used liquid paper to change the lot number of the vaccine and the date. Well I’m sure this was OK, it made me nervous. Second dose on the same card was an proper computer generated sticker.

2) I’ve travelled to Hawaii twice in the last three months, having to get a PCR test 72 hours before my flight on both occasions. Beginning July 8, it seems Hawaii will begin excepting fully vaccinated visitors. True to the Hawaiian government style, they have not indicated exactly what sort of documentation they will require. I’m traveling there on July 20, and I wanna make sure in a “belt and suspenders“ kind of way I have my vaccinated status verified

[+ RJD]

4 hours ago, MikeBiDude said:

Wow, Thanks my good friend @Benjamin_Nicholas

5 minutes of easy registration via text messaging and a few minutes later I received:

“The level 2 verification of your vaccine card is complete.” and easily added this to my Apple Wallet!

 

I second that.  Thanks, @Benjamin_Nicholas. I'm waiting for Level 2 verification. 

 

[+ RJD]

27 minutes ago, MikeBiDude said:

BTW, I had a couple of concerns about my original vaccine card which is why I wanted to get some online/digital verification.

1) The team administering the first dose of my vaccine had used liquid paper to change the lot number of the vaccine and the date. Well I’m sure this was OK, it made me nervous. Second dose on the same card was an proper computer generated sticker.

2) I’ve travelled to Hawaii twice in the last three months, having to get a PCR test 72 hours before my flight on both occasions. Beginning July 8, it seems Hawaii will begin excepting fully vaccinated visitors. True to the Hawaiian government style, they have not indicated exactly what sort of documentation they will require. I’m traveling there on July 20, and I wanna make sure in a “belt and suspenders“ kind of way I have my vaccinated status verified

Same here.  Mine was administered by a local RiteAid.  All of the info is handwritten in the pharmacist's scrawl (scrawl is being generous).  I'm surprised the lot numbers, at the very least, aren't required to be computer generated. 

[mike carey]

14 hours ago, tassojunior said:

yes, but thanks to everyone posting their vaccine cards on Facebook and Instagram to celebrate getting the vaccine (including myself) there are plenty of batch #'s with dates online.  i googled CDC card and got a thousand under "images" including blanks to print out. we should have made a national or state list like drivers' licenses.

 

 

14 hours ago, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

That's fine and dandy, but these vax passport services also require you to send in a copy of your government ID.  It all has to match.

I'd add another comment to ease the concern that digital certificates could be gamed by forgers. I'm reasonably confident that public health records show where different batches were used, so a forger would need to match a real batch number against a location were that batch was injected into arms, and that location would need to match where the holder of the certificate lived. Not impossible, but not easy either.

[+ tassojunior]

7 hours ago, mike carey said:

 

I'd add another comment to ease the concern that digital certificates could be gamed by forgers. I'm reasonably confident that public health records show where different batches were used, so a forger would need to match a real batch number against a location were that batch was injected into arms, and that location would need to match where the holder of the certificate lived. Not impossible, but not easy either.

Actually that's little problem. Most people know people who posted on Facebook or can find one googling "CDC card"  clicking "images" and looking through the addresses. Lol, here's one from a news story headline today showing vaccinations at the Kenilworth Recreation Center in DC:

but.....

Good New for DC, Maryland and possibly Virginia residents:

DC and Maryland now have online official records of vaccinations you can access totally online with an official document showing your vaccines. Virginia seems different but there's a link in the story below. I was able to pull mine up in 5 minutes and get registered with the official site for the first time yesterday. However, most comments in the story are people who's records did not appear so YMMV. This is great because before today I've had to depend on Safeway for records and I noticed United has dropped their private company they were using for certification. This MyIR may be available in other states.

Now I have an official government website with an official government document I can show if need be in Europe.  Story

DC Website for Covid records

 

 

[marylander1940]

On 6/28/2021 at 11:04 AM, Benjamin_Nicholas said:

 

But what can't be easily faked are vax passports that are directly downloaded into a digital wallet.  Companies like GoGetVax are taking the lot numbers, date vaxxed and checking them against databases to verify. 

CLEAR is also doing their own version of this as well.

Ultimately, if you're going to be hiring escorts, you should at the least, yourself, be vaccinated.  As others have said here, there are a lot of guys that deceptively say they're 'this' or 'that' and they're definitely not.  

 

done!

Thank you!

[Dallas Jayson]

On 6/23/2021 at 2:45 PM, Friendlyerotic said:

I'm just curious because I am vaccinated and I was thinking of hiring someone but he is not vaccinated and it makes me a little nervous. Although I already made plans so it's like I don't want to cancel and be an inconvenience for him. I'm thinking...

Absolutely!  I have been asking for fully vaxed, or no go!

[coriolis888]

On 6/23/2021 at 11:29 PM, Unicorn said:

 

 More than likely it will be the uneducated who will succumb. Maybe it might purge some Trumpists off the voter rolls. 

 

There is a current South American president with an opinion similar to this.  "Let the poor and uneducated get the virus and die" is what he chanted recently.  Pretty harsh, to say the least.  

Hopefully, more unvaccinated people will realize that the false rumors about imagined side effects of the vaccine are not true and will get vaccinated.  

Edited June 29, 2021 by coriolis888

[marylander1940]

3 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

There is a current South American president with an opinion similar to this.  "Let the poor and uneducated get the virus and die" is what he chanted recently.  Pretty harsh, to say the least.  

Hopefully, more unvaccinated people will realize that the false rumors about imagined side effects of the vaccine are not true and will get vaccinated.  

Bolsonaro? 

[Guest]

4 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

There is a current South American president with an opinion similar to this.  "Let the poor and uneducated get the virus and die" is what he chanted recently.  Pretty harsh, to say the least.  ...

In South America, the main problem is vaccine availability. In the US, people who are unvaccinated aren't unvaccinated because they're poor and uneducated. They're unvaccinated because they're stupid pompous asses who think they know more than the experts at the CDC and other public health officials. At this point, most vaccination locations, including countless pharmacies, take walk-in vaccinations, and there are even places with 24/7 availability, at no cost to the vaccinee. Anyone in the US who isn't vaccinated is unvaccinated by choice. 

Edited June 29, 2021 by Unicorn

[+ tassojunior]

37 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

In the US, people who are unvaccinated aren't unvaccinated because they're poor and uneducated. They're unvaccinated because they're stupid pompous asses

Some people have to work for a living or have kids. But the rate of Black vaccinations is super low and in DC we're giving $51 giftcards to people from Black neighborhoods to get vaccinated and $51 cards to people getting them to be vaccinated. https://www.npr.org/local/305/2021/06/29/1011278228/d-c-is-handing-out-gift-cards-to-vaccine-buddies-east-of-the-river

 

Also, just imagine on top of all else being an illegal immigrant having to show identification even if it's "supposed" to be confidential. That has to be scary. 

Edited June 29, 2021 by tassojunior

[marylander1940]

18 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

In South America, the main problem is vaccine availability. In the US, people who are unvaccinated aren't unvaccinated because they're poor and uneducated. They're unvaccinated because they're stupid pompous asses who think they know more than the experts at the CDC and other public health officials. At this point, most vaccination locations, including countless pharmacies, take walk-in vaccinations, and there are even places with 24/7 availability, at no cost to the vaccinee. Anyone in the US who isn't vaccinated is unvaccinated by choice. 

Exactly, here some folks have chosen not to believe in science just because of things they have read on Facebook.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, tassojunior said:

Some people have to work for a living or have kids....

That "excuse" is so preposterous it takes my breath away. Are you going to look me in the eye and tell me that because someone has a job and/or children, that person can't go to the supermarket, pharmacy, etc.????

[+ WilliamM]

27 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

That "excuse" is so preposterous it takes my breath away. Are you going to look me in the eye and tell me that because someone has a job and/or children, that person can't go to the supermarket, pharmacy, etc.????

Yes, especially single parents with three or more children.

[+ tassojunior]

43 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

That "excuse" is so preposterous it takes my breath away. Are you going to look me in the eye and tell me that because someone has a job and/or children, that person can't go to the supermarket, pharmacy, etc.????

There are people with kids or frail parents they care for in remote rural areas far from any CVS even all over America who are practically trapped at home. In DC east of the river there are women with multiple small kids. And many illegal aliens cannot afford taking a day off cash wages nor trust the government.  I can understand a 25 year old in any of these situations just not wanting to try.  

[Guest]

57 minutes ago, WilliamM said:

Yes, especially single parents with three or more children.

Edited June 30, 2021 by Unicorn

[+ WilliamM]

47 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

Interesting because I have been posting here for a very long time and never used a "study guide" in a response during a very serious discussion. 

[marylander1940]

4 hours ago, tassojunior said:

 

 

Also, just imagine on top of all else being an illegal immigrant having to show identification even if it's "supposed" to be confidential. That has to be scary. 

I know 3 illegal aliens who got vaccinated, one of them with an ID expired 8 years ago. None of them had a problem. I do understand the fear they have to come out of the shadows and even those who are citizens yet they come from mixed status families. 

Edited June 30, 2021 by marylander1940

[Guest]

4 hours ago, marylander1940 said:

I know 3 illegal aliens who got vaccinated...

So do I. In fact, every illegal alien I know has been vaccinated. I did yesterday meet my locksmith when I had a problem with one of my locks. He's an Israeli immigrant, probably in his 30s. He was wearing a mask. I said "Haven't you been vaccinated?" He said "I just got my first dose yesterday. I only got it because I need it to go back to Israel." There were no barriers to his getting it other than that he thought he wasn't going to personally benefit from it. I suspect that in 99% of cases, people who haven't gotten the shot yet in the US are simply people who couldn't be bothered--or idiots who believe ridiculous nonsense that's pervasive in social media. The idea that it's because they have children is complete hogwash (actually all the more reason to get vaccinated--to protect those who can't). 

Given Israel's high vaccination rate, I suspect they have little tolerance for assholes whose only thought is "What's in it for me?" I applaud their policy on organ donation. If you don't sign up as an organ donor in Israel, you're not eligible for an organ should you need one. The beauty of this system is that organ donation doesn't cost the donor a penny, or any sacrifice whatsoever. It's also not against the tenets of any religion. The only reason not to donate one's organs upon one's death would be an unusual personal dislike of organ donation. And if you dislike organ donation, you'd never ask to receive an organ, would you?

[coriolis888]

37 minutes ago, Unicorn said:

 

Given Israel's high vaccination rate, I suspect they have little tolerance for assholes whose only thought is "What's in it for me?" I applaud their policy on organ donation. If you don't sign up as an organ donor in Israel, you're not eligible for an organ should you need one. The beauty of this system is that organ donation doesn't cost the donor a penny, or any sacrifice whatsoever. It's also not against the tenets of any religion. The only reason not to donate one's organs upon one's death would be an unusual personal dislike of organ donation. And if you dislike organ donation, you'd never ask to receive an organ, would you?

Speaking of Israel, despite their excellent vaccination program, the indoor mask rule is back because of Israel's increase in virus cases, mostly the Delta variant.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210625/israel-reinstates-indoor-face-mask-rule-delta-variant

[marylander1940]

4 hours ago, coriolis888 said:

Speaking of Israel, despite their excellent vaccination program, the indoor mask rule is back because of Israel's increase in virus cases, mostly the Delta variant.

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210625/israel-reinstates-indoor-face-mask-rule-delta-variant

 

I can’t imagine asking Americans to do such an “effort” again... 

[+ Vegas_Millennial]

On 6/28/2021 at 4:32 PM, RJD said:

Same here.  Mine was administered by a local RiteAid.  All of the info is handwritten in the pharmacist's scrawl (scrawl is being generous).  I'm surprised the lot numbers, at the very least, aren't required to be computer generated. 

When I went to get my vaccine, the staff handed me a blank vaccination card that already had a sticker for the batch of vaccines they were using.  The space for my name and all of my information was blank.  I could have have walked out of there before getting the shot, and still had "official"  proof of vaccine.

 

Ultimately, I got the vaccine.  But I filled in my own information on the vaccine card with pencil.  It was as secure as a Democratic ideal election, with no record of who I was.