411 NikoLeto (Atlanta)

[BeefyDude]

https://rentmasseur.com/NikoLeto

 

I know he also has a RentMen ad

 

Anyways, I reached out to him. He responded back with what am I looking for (I knew he meant massage or escort). I said Massage.

 

He then asked if I wanted traditional or erotic. I responded traditional with "some" sensual aspects including SELF release.

 

His response:

A massage like you are describing runs 200 for 60 minutes 250 for 90 minutes. I perform the massage nude and encourage mutual touch. I'm happy to assist with release if you like. I'm very comfortable with heavy pressure/deep tissue.

 

My reply to that was his ad says $160 (and that was on RM). No way I was spending $200 for a "traditional" massage

[+ FrankR]

https://rentmasseur.com/NikoLeto

 

I know he also has a RentMen ad

 

Anyways, I reached out to him. He responded back with what am I looking for (I knew he meant massage or escort). I said Massage.

 

He then asked if I wanted traditional or erotic. I responded traditional with "some" sensual aspects including SELF release.

 

His response:

A massage like you are describing runs 200 for 60 minutes 250 for 90 minutes. I perform the massage nude and encourage mutual touch. I'm happy to assist with release if you like. I'm very comfortable with heavy pressure/deep tissue.

 

My reply to that was his ad says $160 (and that was on RM). No way I was spending $200 for a "traditional" massage

He is a member of the forum. His comments here have always been reasonable. It sounds like you are looking for a sensual massage - he appears to offer a therapeutic and erotic massage. You may be talking past each other as you are looking for something different/in the middle - it does happen. ??‍♂️

Edited September 24, 2020 by FrankR

[+ Balthazar]

It sounds like Niko offers a therapeutic and erotic massage. Although you might not be interested in all the activities associated with an erotic massage, sensual components and self release push the service outside of therapeutic (traditional) boundaries, resulting in the higher rate. I wouldn't call the requested massage erotic, per se, but it certainty isn't traditional.

[BeefyDude]

No I'm looking for a traditional massage. No sex No erotic. But sensual as in nude and self release is cool (that is not erotic when I do it myself).

 

I agree self release is a fine line outside a "traditional" massage.

 

However y'all are missing the point (perhaps I wasn't clear on). He quoted me $200 when his ad (on RM) says $160. I think we can all agree a RM massage for $160 is NOT solely therapeutic. I think $160 should have MORE than covered what I was looking for.

 

I don't want to split hairs on sensual vs erotic vs. therapeutic. I was mostly pointing out the big price difference from his Ad.

 

Hope that helps and makes sense

[+ Lucky]

Thankfully @BeefyDude has other options. I've always appreciated any assistance a provider can give me to complete my experience.

[marylander1940]

https://rentmasseur.com/NikoLeto

 

I know he also has a RentMen ad

 

Anyways, I reached out to him. He responded back with what am I looking for (I knew he meant massage or escort). I said Massage.

 

He then asked if I wanted traditional or erotic. I responded traditional with "some" sensual aspects including SELF release.

 

His response:

A massage like you are describing runs 200 for 60 minutes 250 for 90 minutes. I perform the massage nude and encourage mutual touch. I'm happy to assist with release if you like. I'm very comfortable with heavy pressure/deep tissue.

 

My reply to that was his ad says $160 (and that was on RM). No way I was spending $200 for a "traditional" massage

 

He is a member of the forum. His comments here have always been reasonable. It sounds like you are looking for a sensual massage - he appears to offer erotic massage. You may be talking past each other - it does happen. ??‍♂️

 

Let's inform him @NikoLeto

[BeefyDude]

Please don't marylander. I honestly would like to talk to him again and work it out.

I'm hoping it was a simple misunderstanding

[BeefyDude]

He is a member of the forum. His comments here have always been reasonable. It sounds like you are looking for a sensual massage - he appears to offer erotic massage. You may be talking past each other - it does happen. ??‍♂️

 

Btw when you said he is a member of this forum - did you mean me or Niko

[NikoLeto]

Btw when you said he is a member of this forum - did you mean me or Niko

 

I believe @marylander1940 meant me.

 

For the continuation of this conversation, I would prefer PMs or across text (whichever you prefer), but it was a matter of not being sure of how to price the service - truthfully, you're the first person who's ever reached out to me that had an interest in self-release.

 

I generally consider there to be two modes for massage (traditional and erotic) and I used to price out things like being nude during the massage, whether mutual touch was allowed, etc. I found people to dislike that model (and so did I), so instead I bundled everything together and picked a price that I felt comfortable with. The 160 price is a holdover from the most-often selected 'package' of me being nude, with mutual touch, with no intention of there being a release. RentMasseur doesn't offer the kind of specificity necessary to price out different services - and even if it offered the description of packages that MasseurFinder offers, it wouldn't let you discuss sexual acts anyways. I think I'll be able to avoid situations like this in the future by taking down my prices entirely. I believe that results in them being set to "Ask me", though I imagine there's a group of people who would be annoyed by that as well.

 

I don't know how to put this gingerly, but I wasn't sure how well I'd be able to perform at this midway point, especially if NO sex was up on your list of don'ts. I've had a number of experiences where I felt like other people took things too far sexually - it left me feeling disgusted with myself, and would feel extraordinarily guilty if I overstepped any of your boundaries.

 

I realized that I had flubbed things as soon as I sent the reply, but it felt like it would be a losing battle to try and work out the specifics - what counts as 'sex' for everyone is different. I also tend to over-deliver. That is, I'm far happier going further toward sex and sexual things, even during a massage, than the opposite.

 

You gave a vague impression that you were busy or would prefer to discuss things at a different time, so I figured that needling you for details would probably only further get on your nerves.

 

It sounds like Niko offers a therapeutic and erotic massage. Although you might not be interested in all the activities associated with an erotic massage, sensual components and self release push the service outside of therapeutic (traditional) boundaries, resulting in the higher rate. I wouldn't call the requested massage erotic, per se, but it certainty isn't traditional.

 

I feel like Balthazar sums up my point quite succinctly, but I wanted to provide context and details.

 

Edit: In case it isn't clear, I do hope you can recognize that my tone is meant to be conciliatory and not condescending. I often worry that that might be the case. ?

[marylander1940]

Please don't marylander. I honestly would like to talk to him again and work it out.

I'm hoping it was a simple misunderstanding

 

Sorry too late... I saw the thread and I sent him a PM right away. I hope I didn't cause you any trouble. You can also text @NikoLeto directly on your own.

[+ Lucky]

Interfering is not a good idea when a client has not given you permission @marylander1940 .

Edited September 24, 2020 by Lucky

[marylander1940]

Interfering is not a good idea when a client as not given you permission @marylander1940 .

 

Considering @NikoLeto is a member of the forum sooner or later he was going to find out someone was talking about it.

 

Unlike you and me escorts aren't anonymous, as advertisers they're public personas and therefore things said about them could affect their reputation, safety, livelihood, etc. I could have PM but I also felt like @FrankR he had to be informed on here too.

 

Many times folks have posted about X escort not knowing they were members either. Is not clear if that was the case...

 

Why do I have a feeling you think your advice is always wise, appropriated or even wanted?

 

Once we post something online we can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. You should know that by now but again you're anonymous like me.

 

Thank you for keeping me in your thoughts all week long so far.

[+ azdr0710]

I'm wondering if @BeefyDude knows/knew Niko is a forum member before he made his OP.....doesn't sound like it, based on the text of that OP??.....

 

what BeefyDude asked Niko for is definitely beyond "traditional" and he should be ready to pay a higher fee.....though rentmasseur, uhhhh, "traditionally" represents masseurs who may lean toward sensual/erotic, assuming that fact is presumptuous...... @NikoLeto 's reply is professional and practical......

 

Marylander notifying Nico of this thread is a non-issue......Nico is a forum member and deserved to be notified of this "public" thread about him......

[thedanNYC]

More importantly, did anyone else notice something special about the last photo in @NikoLeto's ad?

[marylander1940]

I'm wondering if @BeefyDude knows/knew Niko is a forum member before he made his OP.....doesn't sound like it, based on the text of that OP??.....

 

what BeefyDude asked Niko for is definitely beyond "traditional" and he should be ready to pay a higher fee.....though rentmasseur, uhhhh, "traditionally" represents masseurs who may lean toward sensual/erotic, assuming that fact is presumptuous...... @NikoLeto 's reply is professional and practical......

 

Marylander notifying Nico of this thread is a non-issue......Nico is a forum member and deserved to be notified of this "public" thread about him......

 

Thank you, unfortunately a non issue can always be turned into a scandal if there's enough interest/intention.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

No I'm looking for a traditional massage. No sex No erotic. But sensual as in nude and self release is cool (that is not erotic when I do it myself).

 

I agree self release is a fine line outside a "traditional" massage.

 

If you're busting a nut, that ain't a traditional massage.

[+ Lucky]

Why do I have a feeling you think your advice is always wise, appropriated or even wanted?

When we reply to a thread or a post we are giving our opinion. That's all it is. A while back someone criticized you for telling me what to do, and I replied that I didn't mind your suggestions. I have followed some of them. You were happy with my reply. But I think it should be a two way street. We are often in agreement.

[marylander1940]

When we reply to a thread or a post we are giving our opinion. That's all it is. A while back someone criticized you for telling me what to do, and I replied that I didn't mind your suggestions. I have followed some of them. You were happy with my reply. But I think it should be a two way street. We are often in agreement.

 

Agreed!

 

Good memory!

[marylander1940]

If you're busting a nut, that ain't a traditional massage.

 

Agreed!

 

Unfortunately some guys who inquiry for a massage simply want a different kind of rate.

[BeefyDude]

Hello all

 

For those who know me on here, i'm a pretty good guy and MANY have complimented me (public and private) on my helpful responses.

 

I am very sorry if i offended anyone (especially Niko).. I think it was just a hUGE misunderstanding/choice of words.

 

He has messaged me privately and I responded. Obviously i did not know he was on here

 

I hope he and I can resolve this and hopefully have a great experience out of it. I consider this matter (on this forum) resolved now that Niko and I are in contact.

 

Thanks again for the comments and help

[BeefyDude]

Quick update. Niko and I did work things out!!!!!

 

I look forward to seeing him.

 

Thanks for all your help

[Jarrod_Uncut]

This is why couple years ago, I decided to commit to more than 1 rate for my sessions. Full on fucking versus a 10 minute sucky suck isn’t always going to equate to $250.

 

Obviously everyone’s pricing is not going to be the same, but I also put on RentMass my lowest price, but also include the other sessions I offer upfront. So they know: my rate is not $150. That’s just 1 of the sessions, and the only option rentmass gives. I’ve had guys start with $150 on the first visit, and then they end up Being open to giving $700 on the 2nd visit. It just happens. Sometimes you just have to Start small. The Bible ? says: despise not small beginnings. The escort bible says; despise not happy endings ??‍♂️.

[BeefyDude]

Btw I did book with Niko. He and the experience were amazing !!

[BeefyDude]

This is why couple years ago, I decided to commit to more than 1 rate for my sessions. Full on fucking versus a 10 minute sucky suck isn’t always going to equate to $250.

 

Obviously everyone’s pricing is not going to be the same, but I also put on RentMass my lowest price, but also include the other sessions I offer upfront. So they know: my rate is not $150. That’s just 1 of the sessions, and the only option rentmass gives. I’ve had guys start with $150 on the first visit, and then they end up Being open to giving $700 on the 2nd visit. It just happens. Sometimes you just have to Start small. The Bible ? says: despise not small beginnings. The escort bible says; despise not happy endings ??‍♂️.

 

How is this related to the post it was placed in???

[Jarrod_Uncut]

How is this related to the post it was placed in???

 

I was facetious at the end of that post you quoted, but It was in reference to the start of the thread. It seemed like there was some discrepancies in the pricing of the provider, and I simply meant that I found it to work better having more than just a base incall/outcall donation (which Rentmasseur limits providers to), for that reason.