More interesting data regarding Covid

[former lurker]

WTF. Have you even looked at the images of the protests? On the CBS evening news tonight, they said that fewer than 50% were even wearing masks. Even if it were 90% wearing masks, that's still a huge number unmasked when you have rallies with thousands, sometimes tens of thousands. Social distancing? What planet have you been on? I'm afraid your "impression" is rather hallucinatory.

 

Do you realize how many of these rallies there have been, and in how many places? They are happening in almost every city and town in my state. Most of them are not crowded in the way the ones in LA, etc, have been. In the largest cities, the sheer numbers of those assembled results in the crowding, but the rest of the venues have had good sized turnouts with distancing. Of course, it's the largest and most crowded venues that generate the news coverage. But between myself and my family, we've been to rallies or had them in our towns in 6 locations with social distancing observed (and promoted by the organizers and BLM).

[+ WilliamM]

Thanks, @former lurker

 

It is very important to correct misstated opinions.

[+ bigjoey]

Thanks, @former lurker

 

It is very important to correct misstated opinions.

 

It is not a “misstated opinion” because they are referring to two different things. @former lurker is referring to events where he was present. @Unicorn was referring to events he saw on mass media and furnished pictures that make his point. Both posters can be factually correct as to the specific events to which they referred.

 

Here in Kansas City, it depends on what day. The original riots and looting here showed no social distancing and few wearing masks. Now the current peaceful protests show people wearing masks and sometimes keeping social distancing. So it is a question of not only place but time.

[+ WilliamM]

It is not a “misstated opinion” because they are referring to two different things. @former lurker is referring to events where he was present. @Unicorn was referring to events he saw on mass media and furnished pictures that make his point. Both posters can be factually correct as to the specific events to which they referred.

 

Here in Kansas City, it depends on what day. The original riots and looting here showed no social distancing and few wearing masks. Now the current peaceful protests show people wearing masks and sometimes keeping social distancing. So it is a question of not only place but time.

Sorry, @former lurker has a very long record here of excellent posts/observations.

 

And anyone actually involved in demonstrations should be given respect over just watching on television.

 

I do agree that misstated was the wrong word.

[Populist Fury]

When the anti-lockdown protests took place, fearmongers in the media were almost predicting everyone to end up on a ventilator gasping for air, then weeks passed & nothing really happened lol

 

The role of the "news" media in the U.S. has always been to protect & maintain the status quo, they don't want people exercising their 1st Amendment rights against politicians & the government. The best thing we can do is ignore their fake concern & live life according to how we each want it! ?

[thickornotatall]

When the anti-lockdown protests took place, fearmongers in the media were almost predicting everyone to end up on a ventilator gasping for air, then weeks passed & nothing really happened lol

 

The role of the "news" media in the U.S. has always been to protect & maintain the status quo, they don't want people exercising their 1st Amendment rights against politicians & the government. The best thing we can do is ignore their fake concern & live life according to how we each want it! ?

Tell "fake concern" to my 25 year old cousin. He was on a ventilator for 4 days and is in his 4th week of recovery. As a result of the infection he suffered a minor stroke. He is now home with his parents and can't work. A few of his co-workers also contacted the virus. He lives in Long Island City and works in Manhattan. So 'LOL" to you...Hoping you don't get sick and/or have health insurance.

As a point of reference he was healthy...a football player at Ohio State with no health concerns.

[former lurker]

When the anti-lockdown protests took place, fearmongers in the media were almost predicting everyone to end up on a ventilator gasping for air, then weeks passed & nothing really happened lol

 

The role of the "news" media in the U.S. has always been to protect & maintain the status quo, they don't want people exercising their 1st Amendment rights against politicians & the government. The best thing we can do is ignore their fake concern & live life according to how we each want it! ?

 

Overly broad, simplistic and factually incorrect. There is substantial media coverage of large-scale protests, and that coverage includes discussion of the messages and objectives of the protesters. In fact, the coverage given to the anti-distancing protests themselves disproves your statement. This were relatively small gatherings that garnered no broad support, yet they still were covered. If anything, they were given greater prominence than the numbers warranted.

 

There's also a clear distinction between protests and rallies where crowds are a by-product of the event and ones where the point of the protest is to flout lawful restrictions on crowds in a health crisis. The rallies you're saying were poorly portrayed were designed to cause close contact without any safeguards. The coverage reflected that purpose, as it did the trivial size of the crowds and the overwhelming rejection of the tactic and message by the general public as reflected in the public polling.

[+ Charlie]

This morning I am watching another tennis "tournament" in Belgrade, but very different from the first. There are only a few spectators scattered in the stands, and no ballkids on court, only the two players and the umpire. However, no one seems to be wearing a mask, and the players shake hands. Some of those in attendance were also at yesterday's tournament. It will be interesting to see if there are any notable differences in the epidemiological results from the two tournaments in the same city.

 

There is also a women's tournament going on in Prague this morning. There are people in the stands, but it is a Monday and the weather isn't as good as it was in Serbia (cooler and wetter), so they are not packed together the way they were in Belgrade yesterday, and there are some masks visible among the spectators. Yet another men's tournament is going on in France, where the conditions seem to be much more restrictive. All these unofficial "tournaments" popping up in Europe this month should produce some interesting public health results.

 

BTW, in my post yesterday about the Adria tournament in Belgrade, I said there were 20,000 spectators in the stands, but on re-consideration I think that figure which the broadcasters gave had to refer to the total number of spectators who attended all four sessions of the two day tournament, because that stadium could not have held that many people; even the two largest tennis stadiums, in NYC and Indian Wells, hold only about 17,000 spectators at one time.

[RealAvalon]

WTF. Have you even looked at the images of the protests? On the CBS evening news tonight, they said that fewer than 50% were even wearing masks. Even if it were 90% wearing masks, that's still a huge number unmasked when you have rallies with thousands, sometimes tens of thousands. Social distancing? What planet have you been on? I'm afraid your "impression" is rather hallucinatory.

It's sounding like posting those pics really gave you a stiffy.

[mike carey]

Overly broad, simplistic and factually incorrect.

Check!

[+ bigjoey]

Some good news:

 

https://www.economist.com/science-and-technology/2020/06/16/a-cheap-steroid-cuts-deaths-from-severe-covid-19

[Guest]

In case anyone feels like panicking in the streets about the daily news reports that "Coronavirus cases are spiking":

 

Source: New York Times

[Guest]

In case anyone feels like panicking in the streets about the daily news reports that "Coronavirus cases are spiking":

 

Source: New York Times

[+ honcho]

In case anyone feels like panicking in the streets about the daily news reports that "Coronavirus cases are spiking":

 

Source: New York Times

 

I believe that graph is nationwide. A graph of % occupancy of hospitals and ICU's in Arizon and Texas might look a little different.

[+ honcho]

In case anyone feels like panicking in the streets about the daily news reports that "Coronavirus cases are spiking":

 

Source: New York Times

 

I believe that graph is nationwide. A graph of % occupancy of hospitals and ICU's in Arizon and Texas might look a little different.

[+ purplekow]

When the anti-lockdown protests took place, fearmongers in the media were almost predicting everyone to end up on a ventilator gasping for air, then weeks passed & nothing really happened lol

 

The role of the "news" media in the U.S. has always been to protect & maintain the status quo, they don't want people exercising their 1st Amendment rights against politicians & the government. The best thing we can do is ignore their fake concern & live life according to how we each want it! ?

Sure anarchy is very cool.

[+ purplekow]

When the anti-lockdown protests took place, fearmongers in the media were almost predicting everyone to end up on a ventilator gasping for air, then weeks passed & nothing really happened lol

 

The role of the "news" media in the U.S. has always been to protect & maintain the status quo, they don't want people exercising their 1st Amendment rights against politicians & the government. The best thing we can do is ignore their fake concern & live life according to how we each want it! ?

Sure anarchy is very cool.

[+ purplekow]

In case anyone feels like panicking in the streets about the daily news reports that "Coronavirus cases are spiking":

 

Source: New York Times

So 1000 deaths a day and 10 times the number in Western Europe are just fine? And as you know, most expect spikes to occur in the fall and that while overall the rate of deaths is going down, there are areas in which spikes are occurring, so ymmv,

[+ purplekow]

In case anyone feels like panicking in the streets about the daily news reports that "Coronavirus cases are spiking":

 

Source: New York Times

So 1000 deaths a day and 10 times the number in Western Europe are just fine? And as you know, most expect spikes to occur in the fall and that while overall the rate of deaths is going down, there are areas in which spikes are occurring, so ymmv,

[Guest]

I believe that graph is nationwide. A graph of % occupancy of hospitals and ICU's in Arizon and Texas might look a little different.

OK. So show us (the whole state, not just one hospital that happens to be near a nursing home). I prefer to see real data, rather than speculation of what might or might not be. I have seen inflammatory reports with reporters going to a single hospital. No broad data, though.

[Guest]

I believe that graph is nationwide. A graph of % occupancy of hospitals and ICU's in Arizon and Texas might look a little different.

OK. So show us (the whole state, not just one hospital that happens to be near a nursing home). I prefer to see real data, rather than speculation of what might or might not be. I have seen inflammatory reports with reporters going to a single hospital. No broad data, though.

[+ WilliamM]

 

 

The role of the "news" media in the U.S. has always been to protect & maintain the status quo, they don't want people exercising their 1st Amendment rights against politicians & the government. The best thing we can do is ignore their fake concern & live life according to how we each want it! ?

 

Totally false

 

The media turned against the war in Vietnam after the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong scored a moral victory during the Viet Offense in January 1968. The North attacked against in the spring of 1968.

[+ WilliamM]

 

 

The role of the "news" media in the U.S. has always been to protect & maintain the status quo, they don't want people exercising their 1st Amendment rights against politicians & the government. The best thing we can do is ignore their fake concern & live life according to how we each want it! ?

 

Totally false

 

The media turned against the war in Vietnam after the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong scored a moral victory during the Viet Offense in January 1968. The North attacked against in the spring of 1968.

[Guest]

So 1000 deaths a day and 10 times the number in Western Europe are just fine? And as you know, most expect spikes to occur in the fall and that while overall the rate of deaths is going down, there are areas in which spikes are occurring, so ymmv,

Obviously we have to keep our eye on the data. Whether the drop is due to the weather, to a genetic drift in the virus, or other factors isn't known at this time. The point of that post is that the press has been misleading when they point to "Covid-19 cases spiking."

[former lurker]

In case anyone feels like panicking in the streets about the daily news reports that "Coronavirus cases are spiking":

 

Source: New York Times

 

Two problems with your point. Deaths are a lagging indicator. The spike is in new cases of people contracting the virus. Second, the spikes are regional not nation wide.