COVID-19 impacting your business?

[+ Pensant]

This quarantine thing is not a choice or an option, it is a mandate which the OP refuses to acknowledge or obey. The OP thinks by changing his screen name and re-appearing here as if he doesn't bring old baggage with him, that we will forget his controversial past and give him a pass. Everyone is struggling to pay their expenses and survive, but they also onsider their safety and the safety of others. Unfortunately the OP here is NOT one of those. My outrage is that the OP can infect others, and will also be taking their money in doing so.

He also is in a high-risk group given his recent history of asthma flare-ups. One of my doctor’s patients is a 29 yo woman with asthma, currently on a ventilator.

[hypothetically]

Covid is a not-so-gentle reminder that everyone in the business should have an exit strategy and/or backup plan. Because there’s nothing more worrisome than being stuck in the business or having no viable options when you exit the business.

[marylander1940]

Covid is a not-so-gentle reminder that everyone in the business should have an exit strategy and/or backup plan. Because there’s nothing more worrisome than being stuck in the business or having no viable options when you exit the business.

 

I couldn't agree more

 

[marylander1940]

https://m4m-forum.org/forums/escort-travels.29/

 

For some is business as usual...

[jjkrkwood]

When have you last been outside? As I mentioned, I carry a thermometer along with various sanitizing products. So I'm doing my part in what I can. And there are no restrictions on meeting someone. I went to the store today and seen people walking in groups. I'm 1 person. The restrictions in place are for large group gatherings. All the stuff about girlfriend and boyfriends doing dates online is out of choice, not out of law. Anything suggesting it is, are merely guidelines for those who have actually been exposed or diagnosed with the illness.

 

I'll reiterate: what we're going thru now is no different than what we've gone thru back in 2003 and all centuries beyond that. Like I said, others can become affected regardless of if they meet me or not.

 

 

Stop quoting us your damn Temperature, and LEARN what asymptomatic means.... You may not even know you ARE infected...

 

For someone who claims to be so smart and ABOVE everyone else, you are talking really stupid in this case.

[jjkrkwood]

Covid is a not-so-gentle reminder that everyone in the business should have an exit strategy and/or backup plan. Because there’s nothing more worrisome than being stuck in the business or having no viable options when you exit the business.

Actually sir, that should be the same advice for ANYONE in any business that doesn't have a backup plan for survival.... Like you told ME about staying in shape during the Quarantine, its up to ME to do so...Its solely MY responsibility... The "business" isnt exclusive.

[hypothetically]

Actually sir, that should be the same advice for ANYONE in any business that doesn't have a backup plan for survival.... Like you told ME about staying in shape during the Quarantine, its up to ME to do so...Its solely MY responsibility... The "business" isnt exclusive.

 

you’re still butthurt about the “staying in shape” thing huh? Sorry to hear.

 

you are correct, but the topic at hand is SEX WORK, and I feel this message is substantially more important for those in THIS business (specifically those who have been doing it awhile). There is a difference between being exhausted saying, idk, waiting tables or teaching children, to survive, in contrast to having to fuck to survive. Apples to oranges champ. Additionally those who do it many years full time have no resume. I’m sure you have a resume in the event you wanted to part ways with your current career. If you want to start “How is Covid affecting your business” (the blue/white collar version) in The Lounge, by all means. But this is “Ask An Escort” and we are discussing the logistics of sex work and Covid. Be safe, wash your hands.

[jjkrkwood]

you’re still butthurt about the “staying in shape” thing huh? Sorry to hear.

 

you are correct, but the topic at hand is SEX WORK, and I feel this message is substantially more important for those in THIS business (specifically those who have been doing it awhile). There is a difference between being exhausted saying, idk, waiting tables or teaching children, to survive, in contrast to having to fuck to survive. Apples to oranges champ. Additionally those who do it many years full time have no resume. I’m sure you have a resume in the event you wanted to part ways with your current career. If you want to start “How is Covid affecting your business” (the blue/white collar version) in The Lounge, by all means. But this is “Ask An Escort” and we are discussing the logistics of sex work and Covid. Be safe, wash your hands.

YES this IS the "ask an escort" forum but your trials and tribulations are no less under Covid than anyone else who is suffering from loss of work and being unable to pay their bills....We all make CHOICES and must live and deal with them. I am not sure if you are saying the hardships of guys in "the business" are greater than others, and if you are that's quite dismissive of you. Writing a resume is simple. What to put on it reflects choices in life YOU made. Minimum wage workers who never went to college are in the same boat whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Not exactly apples to oranges as you so boldly try to "school" me. But I wouldnt pressume to say that THAT was your message here. At least I hope it wasn't. .

 

BTW, am I still butthurt ? No, and I never was, but simply surprised at your leap to judgement. I hadnt pegged you for that kind of dude.

Edited April 4, 2020 by jjkrkwood

[hypothetically]

I am not sure if you are saying the hardships of guys in "the business" are greater than others, and if you are that's quite dismissive of you. Writing a resume is simple. What to put on it reflects choices in life YOU made. Minimum wage workers who never went to college are in the same boat whether you choose to acknowledge it or not.

Minimum wage workers can file for unemployment. Minimum wage workers qualify for a stimulus check. Writing a resume IS simple, but point escorts in the direction of the slew of companies who will be hiring soon. Come on. What about all of the escorts, many of which are undocumented who have not filed taxes? I’m unsure how you’re trying to counter argue when I hear the struggles of my sex worker friends daily, many of which have not a single solution at hand when all many of you have to do is file for unemployment and ride this out, whether you’re making minimum wage or not. You’ve been furloughed? Tough shit, you and the entire nation. Some escorts have absolutely nothing rn. I am extremely grateful to not be in this position and my heart goes out to everyone during these trying times but “the struggle” isn’t quite the same.

Edited April 4, 2020 by hypothetically

[hypothetically]

We all make CHOICES and must live and deal with them. I

Send this to marginalized sex workers you know who are struggling right now and circle back to me with their reactions.

[jjkrkwood]

Minimum wage workers can file for unemployment. Minimum wage workers qualify for a stimulus check. Writing a resume IS simple, but point escorts in the direction of the slew of companies who will be hiring soon. Come on. What about all of the escorts, many of which are undocumented who have not filed taxes? I’m unsure how you’re trying to counter argue when I hear the struggles of my sex worker friends daily, many of which have not a single solution at hand when all many have to do is file for unemployment and ride this out, whether they’re making minimum wage or not. You’ve been furloughed? Tough shit, you and the entire nation. Some escorts have absolutely nothing rn. I am extremely grateful to not be in this position and my heart goes out to everyone during these trying times but “the struggle” isn’t quite the same.

 

And that's noones fault other than the individuals... People are people, and the "we are all in this together" attitude fits the narrative. Although I am sure you aint buying it ? It also still doesnt excuse escorts, like one on this site, from engaging in reckless behavior simply because he takes his temperature and it is Low...when he has been mandated to stop and brazenly ignores it. He's been in "the business" a long time, and if he hasnt prepared for this rainy day, that's HIS problem, not the problem of innocent people he might infect.

[jjkrkwood]

Send this to marginalized sex workers you know who are struggling right now and circle back to me with their reactions.

 

Sex workers are not the largest "marginalized" group suffering, so please STOP this ridiculoius nonsense, and then circle back to me, so we can engage in an educated, balanced conversation. . .....

[hypothetically]

And that's noones fault other than the individuals... People are people, and the "we are all in this together" attitude fits the narrative. Although I am sure you aint buying it ? It also still doesnt excuse escorts, like one on this site, from engaging in reckless behavior simply because he takes his temperature and it is Low...when he has been mandated to stop and brazenly ignores it. He's been in "the business" a long time, and if he hasnt prepared for this rainy day, that's HIS problem, not the problem of innocent people he might infect.

 

“.......ok.”

[hypothetically]

Sex workers are not the largest "marginalized" group suffering, so please STOP this ridiculoius nonsense, and then circle back to me, so we can engage in an educated, balanced conversation. . .....

 

I never said they were the largest marginalized group. I was implying marginalized groups that do sex work. Even then that does not mean “largest.” Don’t put words in my mouth please. I’m just going to have to disagree with you on this one. “Sorry.”

[mike carey]

Sex workers are not the largest "marginalized" group suffering, so please STOP this ridiculoius nonsense, and then circle back to me, so we can engage in an educated, balanced conversation. . .....

Indeed they are not, and the situation of others is not to be minimised. But this thread is about sex workers. Many of their challenges are shared by others who are marginalised, but many others are not. Their work can't be used in a resume for other jobs, unemployment payments in the US, unlike many other countries, are contingent on having been in recognised work. Even the best prepared workers, and not just sex workers, can easily be knocked over by force majeure like a pandemic, so 'they made their choices', while correct doesn't capture the nature of the difficulty they may be in. When we're talking about one set of people on any subject, the fact that other separate groups may also be affected is a separate issue. The groups are not in competition for sympathy or anything else.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Covid is a not-so-gentle reminder that everyone in the business should have an exit strategy and/or backup plan. Because there’s nothing more worrisome than being stuck in the business or having no viable options when you exit the business.

 

So what you’re saying is, all the people out of work right now...should have had an exit strategy or back up plan as well?

 

Every person I know is out of work right now, except for factory/industrial type workers. Some can work from home, others are just wealthy by portfolio or other means. But I met a guy the other day who is a wedding planner. He saved over $300,000 in 10 years. He’s out of work and all his biz is being moved. I can’t even get a haircut because they shut the hair salons down. The vitamin shops are closed. It’s touching everyone, and like I said: only things weathering this is sex, liquor, and drugs (medications included)

 

People I know who have had 2 and 3 jobs are also out of work. I don’t consider myself “stuck” in the business. I consider myself grateful to be able to still have a demand, that’s not determined by an employer’s need to lay-off or an order pertaining to large groups of people.

 

Society right now has not taken into consideration the fact that there’s many people who were quasi-homeless prior to this situation. Where do people think all the people who lived in their car, or lived on the road traveling most of the month, or had no “permanent” address? Did they just vanish into thin air? Or are hotels opening their doors with free rooms and food to help people “stay in”? Not so.

 

People need to realize you can’t plan for everything. Hind-sighting at guys who use escorting as their sole and reliable income, is a false sense of security. When I was in the hospital for 5 days last month, the only people who helped me out were 3 clients. 1 came to visit, 2 sent deposits for future sessions. If I were working a “side” job, I may or may not have even gotten sick pay, since this has been an issue even prior to COVID.

 

 

I don’t consider relying on escorting to be a disadvantage. I feel it’s a valuable resource I’d like to hang on to for as long as I’m able to. I remember I had a client couple years ago in Orlando who suggested I get into the Vacation business. In order to “secure a better future for myself.” Well guess what. All that’s dead right now. All of Orlando and Las Vegas is dead right now because both economies rely heavily on tourism.

 

What’s happening now is likely more than anyone could have truly planned for.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[MrMattBig]

So what you’re saying is, all the people out of work right now...should have had an exit strategy or back up plan as well?

 

Every person I know is out of work right now, except for factory/industrial type workers. I met a guy the other day who is a wedding planner. He saved over $300,000 in 10 years. He’s out of work and all his biz is being moved.

 

People I know who have had 2 and 3 jobs are also out of work. I don’t consider myself “stuck” in the business. I consider myself grateful to be able to still have a demand that’s not determined by an employer or an order pertaining to large groups of people.

 

It’s nothing about being stuck, it’s just any other day for me. I have dues, I have responsibilities, and I can’t allow myself to get into bind by closing shop.

 

Society right now has not taken into consideration the fact that there’s many people who were quasi-homeless prior to this situation. Where do people think all the people who lived in their car, or lived on the road traveling most of the month, or had no “permanent” address? Did they just vanish into thin air? Or are hotels opening their doors with free rooms and food to help those who are in need? Not so.

 

People need to realize you can’t plan for everything. Hind-sighting at guys who use escorting as their sole and reliable income, is a false sense of security. When I was in the hospital for 5 days last month, the only people who helped me out were 3 clients. 1 came to visit, 2 sent deposits for future sessions. If I were working a “side” job, I may or may not have even gotten sick pay, since this has been an issue even prior to COVID.

 

I don’t consider relying on escorting to be a disadvantage. I feel it’s a valuable resource I’d like to hang on to for as long as I’m able to.

I think stuck refers most to only having a certain field as a job prospect, and not having a secondary option when for whatever reason that option is involuntarily taken away. I have lamented before during your absence that the lack of accrued paid time off and a structured raise system across numerous jobs, especially entry level, is atrocious. There are system problems and overlooking of issues for sure. Those things an individual does not have direct control over. What we can have the most control over individually is fundamentally what we do for work.

[hypothetically]

So what you’re saying is, all the people out of work right now...should have had an exit strategy or back up plan as well?

 

Every person I know is out of work right now, except for factory/industrial type workers. Some can work from home, others are just wealthy by portfolio or other means. But I met a guy the other day who is a wedding planner. He saved over $300,000 in 10 years. He’s out of work and all his biz is being moved. I can’t even get a haircut because they shut the hair salons down. The vitamin shops are closed. It’s touching everyone, and like I said: only things weathering this is sex, liquor, and drugs (medications included)

 

People I know who have had 2 and 3 jobs are also out of work. I don’t consider myself “stuck” in the business. I consider myself grateful to be able to still have a demand, that’s not determined by an employer’s need to lay-off or an order pertaining to large groups of people.

 

Society right now has not taken into consideration the fact that there’s many people who were quasi-homeless prior to this situation. Where do people think all the people who lived in their car, or lived on the road traveling most of the month, or had no “permanent” address? Did they just vanish into thin air? Or are hotels opening their doors with free rooms and food to help people “stay in”? Not so.

 

People need to realize you can’t plan for everything. Hind-sighting at guys who use escorting as their sole and reliable income, is a false sense of security. When I was in the hospital for 5 days last month, the only people who helped me out were 3 clients. 1 came to visit, 2 sent deposits for future sessions. If I were working a “side” job, I may or may not have even gotten sick pay, since this has been an issue even prior to COVID.

 

 

I don’t consider relying on escorting to be a disadvantage. I feel it’s a valuable resource I’d like to hang on to for as long as I’m able to. I remember I had a client couple years ago in Orlando who suggested I get into the Vacation business. In order to “secure a better future for myself.” Well guess what. All that’s dead right now. All of Orlando and Las Vegas is dead right now because both economies rely heavily on tourism.

 

What’s happening now is likely more than anyone could have truly planned for.

 

 

....wait. Is this @Mocha?

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Stop quoting us your damn Temperature, and LEARN what asymptomatic means.... You may not even know you ARE infected...

 

For someone who claims to be so smart and ABOVE everyone else, you are talking really stupid in this case.

 

I posted that to simply show that I am doing what I can, to monitor myself. That’s what the White House did last month: they turned away a reporter because his temp was too high:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/reporter-turned-away-temperature-white-house-coronavirus.amp

Asymptomatic or not, I’m still going to check my temperature so I am in the know..one of the signs is a fever, so I’m going to do my part.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Jarrod_Uncut

[+ tassojunior]

I know many strippers who have made good money for years but were always unsuited for any other work. Unlike others, they were considered "independent contractors" (falsely) and like most escorts have no unemployment coverage. Being covered under Social Security and unemployment seems like a tax burden until it's needed. And then non-coverage becomes a disaster.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

Minimum wage workers can file for unemployment. Minimum wage workers qualify for a stimulus check. Writing a resume IS simple, but point escorts in the direction of the slew of companies who will be hiring soon. Come on. What about all of the escorts, many of which are undocumented who have not filed taxes? I’m unsure how you’re trying to counter argue when I hear the struggles of my sex worker friends daily, many of which have not a single solution at hand when all many of you have to do is file for unemployment and ride this out, whether you’re making minimum wage or not. You’ve been furloughed? Tough shit, you and the entire nation. Some escorts have absolutely nothing rn. I am extremely grateful to not be in this position and my heart goes out to everyone during these trying times but “the struggle” isn’t quite the same.

 

Are you a resident of France or New York? Because the stimulus checks apply to all under $99,000 and the unemployment is being extended to gig and independent contractors, who are typically not eligible for unemployment:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-stimulus-package-questions-answers.amp.html

[hypothetically]

Are you a resident of France or New York? Because the stimulus checks apply to all under $99,000 and the unemployment is being extended to gig and independent contractors, who are typically not eligible for unemployment:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/article/coronavirus-stimulus-package-questions-answers.amp.html

 

you didn’t answer my question. Is this @Mocha?

[Jarrod_Uncut]

It also still doesnt excuse escorts, like one on this site, from engaging in reckless behavior simply because he takes his temperature and it is Low...when he has been mandated to stop and brazenly ignores it.

 

Who mandated what, to stop whom from doing what reckless behavior?

 

There is, in my current state...and in ALL states, absolutely NO mandate saying that I am not allowed to meet another man and have sex. PERIOD. Last time I checked, we did not revert back to 1940s Germany, Saudi Arabia, or the police who would patrol the parks and set up gay men trying to pick up other gay men.

 

The mandates you refer to are for places that generally host large numbers of people in 1 place, such as beaches, theme parks and movie theaters. And in some cases, these were not mandates, but precautionary measures taken by businesses themselves. The non-essential business clause eventually came into play as well, but again that’s establishments.

 

It’s not selfish to do what needs to be done to survive as an individual. Even if that means meeting someone, or going out for food and water.

 

It’s selfish to judge and criticize the decisions of someone trying to survive as an individual.

[Jarrod_Uncut]

He also is in a high-risk group given his recent history of asthma flare-ups. One of my doctor’s patients is a 29 yo woman with asthma, currently on a ventilator.

 

Is this woman diagnosed with COVID? If so, did she contract it from sleeping with another man? (I know it sounds silly to ask, but I’m just being factual).

 

That said, regardless of my history of flare ups (which have not been recent, in fact), I have the medications on hand if and when something does come up. And my most recent hospital visit wasn’t due to asthma or COVID, but rather a weird infection I likely got after being pricked by something on the beach (no pun intended).

 

But like I’ve said, even before this new wave of COVID surfaced (note the list from 2003 I posted, which shows that another variant of COVID was around at that time), I know what to do if something comes up.

[Beancounter]

you didn’t answer my question. Is this @Mocha?

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and quacks like a duck......it usually is a duck. Sure sounds like him!