PNP Signs

[lonely_john]

Had my first bad experience by basically not detecting the escort is into PNP until I was already with him and he was unable to perform. He denied but there was a funny stench in his room And he wasn’t articulate in his conversation, basically just lost in this thoughts, and making excuses. It was the same person from ad pics but his physical appearance was wasted. What are the signs that one as a client should look for from first contact until the in-person meeting?

[+ Topseed]

I've kicked to the curb several guys (both escorts and regular fuckbuddies) who PNP. In my experience, the signs include:

1) Inability to focus.

2) Habitual tardiness.

3) Very warm body temperature.

4) Can't get hard. (This may explain why many party boys are bottoms.)

5) Insatiable sex drive. ("Can we play all night?")

6) Inability to tell the truth.

7) Reliance on PNP to have sex, under the mistaken view that it's "more hot" that way.

 

I'm sure that there are other signs. This is what I've encountered.

[irfy]

slurring their words, gnashing of teeth

[Otto]

[lonely_john]

Dilated pupils?

[+ GregM]

Dilated pupils?

 

That and they often need to suck or chew on something to refrain from gnashing on their teeth.

 

Hugs,

Greg

[+ Keith30309]

Can’t sit still for more than a couple of minutes - pacing the room

Cant focus on one conversation topic

Sweating disproportionate to physical activity.

“Meth mouth” scorched teeth

I‘ve had tweakers watch the clock like crazy and also totally forget about time

[lonely_john]

Thank you guys, this is very useful. Most signs you mentioned are visible only when facing the escort, so probably too late but you also mentioned inability to focus and keep the conversation topic so I will pay attention if the escort is not responsive or doesn’t follow up my questions or avoids them. I’m also thinking of asking upfront if he PNPs and saying I don’t like it. Sadly it was a handsome guy and he looked hot in the pics but he has lost a lot of muscle mass and his face looks sick. Bad side is that I felt bad for him but scared so I didn’t ask for partial refund or anything fearing a bad reaction. Lesson learned.

Edited February 25, 2020 by lonely_john

[hypothetically]

I've kicked to the curb several guys (both escorts and regular fuckbuddies) who PNP. In my experience, the signs include:

1) Inability to focus.

ADD?

2) Habitual tardiness.

Poor time management?

3) Very warm body temperature.

Caffeine? Common cold?

4) Can't get hard. (This may explain why many party boys are bottoms.)

Performance anxiety? Erectile dysfunction?

5) Insatiable sex drive. ("Can we play all night?")

Horny? Testosterone shots? Anabolic steroids?

6) Inability to tell the truth.

A liar?

7) Reliance on PNP to have sex, under the mistaken view that it's "more hot" that way

Someone with a potential dependency issue.

 

I’m always floored at the level of ignorance, generalizations and stigmatization surrounding these topics about escorts struggling with addiction. Educate yourself.

Edited February 25, 2020 by hypothetically

[MrMattBig]

Thank you guys, this is very useful. Most signs you mentioned are visible only when facing the escort, so probably too late but you also mentioned inability to focus and keep the conversation topic so I will pay attention if the escort is not responsive or doesn’t follow up my questions or avoids them. I’m also thinking of asking upfront if he PNPs and saying I don’t like it. Sadly it was a handsome guy and he looked hot in the pics but he has lost a lot of muscle mass and his face looks sick. Bad side is that I felt bad for him but scared so I didn’t ask for partial refund or anything fearing a bad reaction. Lesson learned.

Just add "not looking for anyone who does pnp. Being with someone under the influence makes me extremely uncomfortable, and prefer someone who is fully there mentally as well as physically.

I added @hypothetically 's post because some 'signs' can be explained with benign causes.

I for one am almost always 10 minutes late, run warm from caffeine consumption and genetics, am a night time teeth grinder and have found myself doing it when stressed, and I dont pnp.

 

1) Inability to focus.

ADD?

2) Habitual tardiness.

Poor time management?

3) Very warm body temperature.

Caffeine? Common cold?

4) Can't get hard. (This may explain why many party boys are bottoms.)

Performance anxiety? Erectile dysfunction?

5) Insatiable sex drive. ("Can we play all night?")

Horny? Testosterone shots? Anabolic steroids?

6) Inability to tell the truth.

A liar?

7) Reliance on PNP to have sex, under the mistaken view that it's "more hot" that way

Someone with a potential dependency issue.

 

I’m always floored at the level of ignorance, generalizations and stigmatization surrounding these topics about escorts struggling with addiction. Educate yourself.

Edited February 25, 2020 by MrMattBig

[MscleLovr]

I think you’ve gotten some good advice here @lonely_john.

 

If your name here reflects your current feelings, I’d add that you should aim to NOT get too excited on first meeting a man.

 

By staying calm in the first five minutes, you’ll be able to assess his physical and mental states. Does he look like his pics? Does he seem unfocused? Are his pupils dilated? Are there unexplained actions by him? Is he hyper?

 

And learn to trust your instincts/initial reactions. If you sense danger, give him $20/$40 and get out fast.

[+ robear]

Meth in particular produces a distinct "chemical" body odor in the user. You'd know it if you encountered it. Never noticed it in a hire. (My hires are VERY selective.) I have, however, encountered it in group play situations.

[lonely_john]

Meth in particular produces a distinct "chemical" body odor in the user. You'd know it if you encountered it. Never noticed it in a hire. (My hires are VERY selective.) I have, however, encountered it in group play situations.

You are right. It was a smell different from weed. I smelled something chemical like burned plastic or old/rotten cinnamon but it was probably some scent or odorizer he used to cover other smell. @robear how would you describe the smell if you had to compare to something else?

[+ Tygerscent]

Had my first bad experience by basically not detecting the escort is into PNP until I was already with him and he was unable to perform. He denied but there was a funny stench in his room And he wasn’t articulate in his conversation, basically just lost in this thoughts, and making excuses. It was the same person from ad pics but his physical appearance was wasted. What are the signs that one as a client should look for from first contact until the in-person meeting?

Continuous movement of body and eyes, random thoughts, teeth grinding, repetitive movements and thoughts, performance issues, inability to focus, lack of appetite... paranoias, anxiety, anger management issues, fear, inappropriate actions and words... follows by stupor~

a weird smell on breadth and clothing that is somewhat reminiscent of cat piss and junipers... kind of minty but, ashtray like... if you kiss them and your tongue starts to go numb, run away... (could be some other drug).

[+ Tygerscent]

Just add "not looking for anyone who does pnp. Being with someone under the influence makes me extremely uncomfortable, and prefer someone who is fully there mentally as well as physically.

I added @hypothetically 's post because some 'signs' can be explained with benign causes.

I for one am almost always 10 minutes late, run warm from caffeine consumption and genetics, am a night time teeth grinder and have found myself doing it when stressed, and I dont pnp.

Ya... I don’t use any drugs... I don’t smoke, I haven’t used alcohol since 2014, I don’t smoke pot or eat gummies... I’ve never used crack, meth or heroin...

I’m naturally high energy, I’m a very visual learner and get lost in the magic of my camera lens and I run on little sleep~ My whole family is like that~ I’m not a partier at all and actually distance myself from those who do party given I had a partner die from meth use, (I was his guardian and caregiver for 7yrs after he became psychotic but he eventually took his own life)... Furthermore, drugs took out both my brother, sister & Aunt within 6 months of each other in 2018~

The symptoms of meth use are more obvious and specific then adhd/asbergers/autism~

[MrMattBig]

Ya... I don’t use any drugs... I don’t smoke, I haven’t used alcohol since 2014, I don’t smoke pot or eat gummies... I’ve never used crack, meth or heroin...

I’m naturally high energy, I’m a very visual learner and get lost in the magic of my camera lens and I run on little sleep~ My whole family is like that~ I’m not a partier at all and actually distance myself from those who do party given I had a partner die from meth use, (I was his guardian and caregiver for 7yrs after he became psychotic but he eventually took his own life)... Furthermore, drugs took out both my brother, sister & Aunt within 6 months of each other in 2018~

The symptoms of meth use are more obvious and specific then adhd/asbergers/autism~

Sorry for the losses in your circle of loved ones brought on by drugs.

And I agree symptoms of drug use, especially meth, are more obvious and specific.

I just caution others to not be so quick to assume and draw conclusions.

Take a minute and think: ok is this from drug use or can it be explained by something else?

I have had people think I was on drugs before, before even trying the few that I have.

And it is absolutely not fun and not cool to have people assume things that are far from the truth and then treat you differently because of it.

[+ Tygerscent]

Sorry for the losses in your circle of loved ones brought on by drugs.

And I agree symptoms of drug use, especially meth, are more obvious and specific.

I just caution others to not be so quick to assume and draw conclusions.

Take a minute and think: ok is this from drug use or can it be explained by something else?

I have had people think I was on drugs before, before even trying the few that I have.

And it is absolutely not fun and not cool to have people assume things that are far from the truth and then treat you differently because of it.

Agreed: false accusations are hurtful on so many levels to both parties...

When presented with questionable situations, I always ask: “do you PnP~?” “Are you partying~?”... in addition, despite rentmen’s gross reduction of provisional space in the “about me” section, I state that I do not PnP~

In early communications with Clients and when I sense a party vibe coming from Clients later during written communications, I add a heads up: “Respectfully, I neither partake nor condone the practice of PnP”~ and then ask if they are okay with that...

I also remove myself from the party circle of Escorts and party Clients~

[Maximiliam]

Meth in particular produces a distinct "chemical" body odor in the user. You'd know it if you encountered it. Never noticed it in a hire. (My hires are VERY selective.) I have, however, encountered it in group play situations.

How does it smell like

[orville]

How does it smell like

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