AAG models

[Skip]

If they escorting they are doing it on their own, and not thru AAG.

Of course not, but I'll bet there is a little underground involving the photographers and certain connected guys and willing (not all) models. Remember Bruce Weber and how his models kept showing up at Calvin Klein's parties? You think they were invited for their worldly conversation? You think they got invited back if all they did was look pretty? I spent a few weekends with Leo Giamani. He went across the Atlantic on the Queen Elizabeth (or Mary) as a guest of A&F with about six other guys, some models some more porn guys....they did more than stimulate the conversation.

[MikeBiDude]

Of course not, but I'll bet there is a little underground involving the photographers and certain connected guys and willing (not all) models.

Always “underground” side deals. I used to know a guy who vetted young men for a famous Hollywood music producer. On occasion (rare) I would meet these young men first via the friend, to see if they could uphold their end of mutual benefit. Happened all too rare but was fun!

 

Thinking back this was almost 20 years ago!

[Phlmuscle]

Of course not, but I'll bet there is a little underground involving the photographers and certain connected guys and willing (not all) models. Remember Bruce Weber and how his models kept showing up at Calvin Klein's parties? You think they were invited for their worldly conversation? You think they got invited back if all they did was look pretty? I spent a few weekends with Leo Giamani. He went across the Atlantic on the Queen Elizabeth (or Mary) as a guest of A&F with about six other guys, some models some more porn guys....they did more than stimulate the conversation.

 

All I can say is I have been to many of their parties in hotel rooms, and never saw any indication of escorting, and I also know a lot of the AAG models who are friends of mine, and I have photographed them.

[Todd Jenkins]

Sure, jan. :-)

[Skip]

All I can say is I have been to many of their parties in hotel rooms, and never saw any indication of escorting, and I also know a lot of the AAG models who are friends of mine, and I have photographed them.

Right PHL, and they like you all believe in Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and the Tooth Fairy. They send half their money to their family back in Iowa after they make their IRA contributions. At Christmas...they are going home to propose to their high school sweetheart and live happily ever after. Right PHL, you keep believing that .

[MscleLovr]

All I can say is I have been to many of their parties in hotel rooms, and never saw any indication of escorting, and I also know a lot of the AAG models who are friends of mine, and I have photographed them.

 

I accept what you say @Phlmuscle. But you seem not to realise that there wouldn’t be “any indication of escorting” at parties or on a photo-shoot.

 

Before I started to live together with my guy (more than 6years ago), I was a serial male-modeliser. As an older and generous man, I had no trouble meeting handsome young men and dating them. I even went to parties after fashion shows and socialized with them. Whether the young men were str8, bi or gay was irrelevant to me: I was always friendly and nice, and my approach to a guy was respectful in public. What mattered to them was that I was discreet in public; what mattered to me was what they were happy to do in private.

 

Over the years, I have also been invited occasionally to private sex-parties where barechested fit young men (models, personal trainers, actors) in jeans mingled in public with older men like me. The venues were either private homes or hotels. Generally at such parties, public interaction was limited to guys kissing in greeting or showing some affection. When there was mutual interest, I retreated with a guy to a bedroom where we explored our compatibility in private. Often we made out and I got sucked off before we left the bedroom. I’d arrange to see the nice young man for a dinner-date soon afterwards, and it would progress...

 

At parties with muscleboys and models, I never heard guys discuss escorting or being an escort. That was seen as applying strictly to guys who advertised. There was some chat about what another young man would do or about how generous an older guy was. I always mentioned that I was happy to help or support a nice guy. Mutual benefits were readily understood.

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I accept what you say @Phlmuscle. But you seem not to realise that there wouldn’t be “any indication of escorting” at parties or on a photo-shoot.

 

Before I started to live together with my guy (more than 6years ago), I was a serial male-modeliser. As an older and generous man, I had no trouble meeting handsome young men and dating them. I even went to parties after fashion shows and socialized with them. Whether the young men were str8, bi or gay was irrelevant to me: I was always friendly and nice, and my approach to a guy was respectful in public. What mattered to them was that I was discreet in public; what mattered to me was what they were happy to do in private.

 

Over the years, I have also been invited occasionally to private sex-parties where barechested fit young men (models, personal trainers, actors) in jeans mingled in public with older men like me. The venues were either private homes or hotels. Generally at such parties, public interaction was limited to guys kissing in greeting or showing some affection. When there was mutual interest, I retreated with a guy to a bedroom where we explored our compatibility in private. Often we made out and I got sucked off before we left the bedroom. I’d arrange to see the nice young man for a dinner-date soon afterwards, and it would progress...

 

At parties with muscleboys and models, I never heard guys discuss escorting or being an escort. That was seen as applying strictly to guys who advertised. There was some chat about what another young man would do or about how generous an older guy was. I always mentioned that I was happy to help or support a nice guy. Mutual benefits were readily understood.

So true and very well said

[MikeBiDude]

I accept what you say @Phlmuscle. But you seem not to realise that there wouldn’t be “any indication of escorting” at parties or on a photo-shoot.

 

Before I started to live together with my guy (more than 6years ago), I was a serial male-modeliser. As an older and generous man, I had no trouble meeting handsome young men and dating them. I even went to parties after fashion shows and socialized with them. Whether the young men were str8, bi or gay was irrelevant to me: I was always friendly and nice, and my approach to a guy was respectful in public. What mattered to them was that I was discreet in public; what mattered to me was what they were happy to do in private.

 

Over the years, I have also been invited occasionally to private sex-parties where barechested fit young men (models, personal trainers, actors) in jeans mingled in public with older men like me. The venues were either private homes or hotels. Generally at such parties, public interaction was limited to guys kissing in greeting or showing some affection. When there was mutual interest, I retreated with a guy to a bedroom where we explored our compatibility in private. Often we made out and I got sucked off before we left the bedroom. I’d arrange to see the nice young man for a dinner-date soon afterwards, and it would progress...

 

At parties with muscleboys and models, I never heard guys discuss escorting or being an escort. That was seen as applying strictly to guys who advertised. There was some chat about what another young man would do or about how generous an older guy was. I always mentioned that I was happy to help or support a nice guy. Mutual benefits were readily understood.

This, exactly! Great post ??

[Dginnz]

All I can say is I have been to many of their parties in hotel rooms, and never saw any indication of escorting, and I also know a lot of the AAG models who are friends of mine, and I have photographed them.

 

Don't want to pile on you here, but...

 

Just anecdotally, I have met in person one AAGuy who was a "flexible" stripper, two others who do cam work very discreetly, and another 2 I'm pretty sure I've seen in porn. None of this necessarily mean they escort, but they're working in very adjacent industries, are paid strictly on how they look constantly, and are for sure propositioned all the time. Eventually, someone will bite, especially for the right price.

 

Some photographers are also not as professional as you seem to be. There are some really aggressive photographers and some really cash-strapped, smoking hot guys. Sometimes they come together strictly professionally, other times not so much.

 

 

I accept what you say @Phlmuscle. But you seem not to realise that there wouldn’t be “any indication of escorting” at parties or on a photo-shoot.

 

Before I started to live together with my guy (more than 6years ago), I was a serial male-modeliser. As an older and generous man, I had no trouble meeting handsome young men and dating them. I even went to parties after fashion shows and socialized with them. Whether the young men were str8, bi or gay was irrelevant to me: I was always friendly and nice, and my approach to a guy was respectful in public. What mattered to them was that I was discreet in public; what mattered to me was what they were happy to do in private.

 

Over the years, I have also been invited occasionally to private sex-parties where barechested fit young men (models, personal trainers, actors) in jeans mingled in public with older men like me. The venues were either private homes or hotels. Generally at such parties, public interaction was limited to guys kissing in greeting or showing some affection. When there was mutual interest, I retreated with a guy to a bedroom where we explored our compatibility in private. Often we made out and I got sucked off before we left the bedroom. I’d arrange to see the nice young man for a dinner-date soon afterwards, and it would progress...

 

At parties with muscleboys and models, I never heard guys discuss escorting or being an escort. That was seen as applying strictly to guys who advertised. There was some chat about what another young man would do or about how generous an older guy was. I always mentioned that I was happy to help or support a nice guy. Mutual benefits were readily understood.

 

Perfectly said. To many men who can afford to have a roster of escorts or be able to afford easily an arrangement, the ideal is to have a guy who is discreet in public and available in private. Escorting for guys like those at those parties are rarely cut-and-dry: neither party explicitly states the rules of the game, that would be seen as uncomfortable and awkward.

"Mutual benefits were readily understood."

 

SO TRUE!

[Dginnz]

All I can say is I have been to many of their parties in hotel rooms, and never saw any indication of escorting, and I also know a lot of the AAG models who are friends of mine, and I have photographed them.

 

Don't want to pile on you here, but...

 

Just anecdotally, I have met in person one AAGuy who was a "flexible" stripper, two others who do cam work very discreetly, and another 2 I'm pretty sure I've seen in porn. None of this necessarily mean they escort, but they're working in very adjacent industries, are paid strictly on how they look constantly, and are for sure propositioned all the time. Eventually, someone will bite, especially for the right price.

 

Some photographers are also not as professional as you seem to be. There are some really aggressive photographers and some really cash-strapped, smoking hot guys. Sometimes they come together strictly professionally, other times not so much.

 

 

I accept what you say @Phlmuscle. But you seem not to realise that there wouldn’t be “any indication of escorting” at parties or on a photo-shoot.

 

Before I started to live together with my guy (more than 6years ago), I was a serial male-modeliser. As an older and generous man, I had no trouble meeting handsome young men and dating them. I even went to parties after fashion shows and socialized with them. Whether the young men were str8, bi or gay was irrelevant to me: I was always friendly and nice, and my approach to a guy was respectful in public. What mattered to them was that I was discreet in public; what mattered to me was what they were happy to do in private.

 

Over the years, I have also been invited occasionally to private sex-parties where barechested fit young men (models, personal trainers, actors) in jeans mingled in public with older men like me. The venues were either private homes or hotels. Generally at such parties, public interaction was limited to guys kissing in greeting or showing some affection. When there was mutual interest, I retreated with a guy to a bedroom where we explored our compatibility in private. Often we made out and I got sucked off before we left the bedroom. I’d arrange to see the nice young man for a dinner-date soon afterwards, and it would progress...

 

At parties with muscleboys and models, I never heard guys discuss escorting or being an escort. That was seen as applying strictly to guys who advertised. There was some chat about what another young man would do or about how generous an older guy was. I always mentioned that I was happy to help or support a nice guy. Mutual benefits were readily understood.

 

Perfectly said. To many men who can afford to have a roster of escorts or be able to afford easily an arrangement, the ideal is to have a guy who is discreet in public and available in private. Escorting for guys like those at those parties are rarely cut-and-dry: neither party explicitly states the rules of the game, that would be seen as uncomfortable and awkward.

"Mutual benefits were readily understood."

 

SO TRUE!

[Gymowner]

I've met up with a couple of NJ guys through the Best Flex website

 

Two being guys that also advertised on RM

Logan Lowe and BuiltJohny

 

I think Johny is now another name and not sure if Logan still has a RM ad

But both do muscle worship and domination plus more

I do not hire for sex. But I think they are both tops

so what was builtjohny's name on the best flex site?

[marylander1940]

Always “underground” side deals. I used to know a guy who vetted young men for a famous Hollywood music producer. On occasion (rare) I would meet these young men first via the friend, to see if they could uphold their end of mutual benefit. Happened all too rare but was fun!

 

Thinking back this was almost 20 years ago!

 

It was a whole different world 20 years ago without rentboy and other main sites and less guys available, sometimes the local gay paper was the only choice. Everything changed within a few years.

 

I'm sure for the right price even instagram models could be available.

[marylander1940]

I accept what you say @Phlmuscle. But you seem not to realise that there wouldn’t be “any indication of escorting” at parties or on a photo-shoot.

 

Before I started to live together with my guy (more than 6years ago), I was a serial male-modeliser. As an older and generous man, I had no trouble meeting handsome young men and dating them. I even went to parties after fashion shows and socialized with them. Whether the young men were str8, bi or gay was irrelevant to me: I was always friendly and nice, and my approach to a guy was respectful in public. What mattered to them was that I was discreet in public; what mattered to me was what they were happy to do in private.

 

Over the years, I have also been invited occasionally to private sex-parties where barechested fit young men (models, personal trainers, actors) in jeans mingled in public with older men like me. The venues were either private homes or hotels. Generally at such parties, public interaction was limited to guys kissing in greeting or showing some affection. When there was mutual interest, I retreated with a guy to a bedroom where we explored our compatibility in private. Often we made out and I got sucked off before we left the bedroom. I’d arrange to see the nice young man for a dinner-date soon afterwards, and it would progress...

 

At parties with muscleboys and models, I never heard guys discuss escorting or being an escort. That was seen as applying strictly to guys who advertised. There was some chat about what another young man would do or about how generous an older guy was. I always mentioned that I was happy to help or support a nice guy. Mutual benefits were readily understood.

 

I'm going to ask what's on everyone's mind: how much?

 

They were looking for patronage but is that being a cosigner of their lease or a fee?

[MscleLovr]

I'm going to ask what's on everyone's mind: how much?

 

By general standards, I spent quite a lot on my hobby. Maybe $25-30k a year on them specifically, but overall costs (for dinners, overseas trips etc) were quite a lot higher. I had a lot of fun with some very good guys. Very rarely did I get asked for $: more common was a request for a new phone or to pay a bill.

 

 

Where they being pimped or just looking for generosity?

 

Not pimped in my case. Nice guys were recommended to me by agency bookers, photographers, other models. They all pretty much wanted help and support. Most male models earn very little from their main job, but bills have to be paid.

[marylander1940]

By general standards, I spent quite a lot on my hobby. Maybe $25-30k a year on them specifically, but overall costs (for dinners, overseas trips etc) were quite a lot higher. I had a lot of fun with some very good guys. Very rarely did I get asked for $: more common was a request for a new phone or to pay a bill.

 

Sounds fair!

 

Thank you for your honesty!

 

In the Seeking Arrangement Success thread most of the guys bragging about a 500 all you can fuck deal per week and others is nothing but bullshit but of course those guys aren't models they're just amateurs escorting.

 

Not pimped in my case. Nice guys were recommended to me by agency bookers, photographers, other models. They all pretty much wanted help and support. Most male models earn very little from their main job, but bills have to be paid.

 

Let's say it's a tough and competitive profession and those guys got some word about a way to get help till they make it big in their career.

[JayCeeKy]

Anyone ever meet or know Scrappy/Caleb from best flex? I'm interested in possibly meeting with him after this is all over on my next trip to FLL.

I contacted Caleb in March, 2019, when he lived in Kentucky. I asked about rates and his services. He was very quick (and friendly) in his reply:

 

"Hey yeah so I usually ask 400 for meet ups. I keep my underwear on. Muscle worship stuff only. But I don’t mind wrestling or getting into roleplays and stuff if you like that. I’m actually in Lexington but the drive is no problem."

 

 

That was a bit over my budget, especially for what he is willing to do. Perhaps his repertoire has changed over the past year. Hope this helps.

[alexslaveboy]

so what was builtjohny's name on the best flex site?

 

He was JohnyNYC or something like that....

It was at least 3 to 4 years ago

he's not on the best flex website any longer.

[Gymowner]

Thanks alex!

[alexslaveboy]

@Gymowner

 

This is his current profile now

 

https://rentmen.eu/StudMark

 

Not sure why he's Mark now instead of Johnny ?

[BabyBoomer]

@Gymowner

 

This is his current profile now

 

https://rentmen.eu/StudMark

 

Not sure why he's Mark now instead of Johnny ?

 

He started out as Johny, then became builtgreg until he got a bad Daddy's review this past January. He became StudMark this past February.

 

~Boomer~

[Gymowner]

I was wondering his name on best flex to see a face pic.