2 threads in 1: “Where are you hosting” and “we didn’t make an appointment”

[Trick]

The provider’s location and hotel choice are one of my main considerations in confirming a booking.

 

Why location? Because I don’t like being late for appointments and I often only have small pockets of time to meet providers. So I need to know which side of town they’ll be at for me to be sure I can make it to them on time.

 

Why hotel choice? I’ve had so many unpleasant experiences at so-called roach motels. A few hours after I left a cheapo hotel, after meeting a provider, a murder was committed there. Some hotels in my city are known for drug dealing activity. So yes, I need to know where a provider is staying.

 

When I ask a provider where he will he hosting at and his reply is, “You’ll get hotel info when you book”, I end the conversation.

 

I often tell providers we will have to pencil in a booking until the hotel info is known.

 

I have canceled appointments once or twice because I did not like the hotel the provider was booked in. And no, I did not pay cancellation fees. The providers knew I was picky with their hotel choice.

[Mocha]

Wait. Time Out!

 

Do I understand the above to mean you threatened to BLACKMAIL a client if he canceled the session?? You then EXTORTED a “cancellation fee” from him significantly higher than would have been due?

 

How do you Plead @Mocha ?

 

 

Children, calm down. You getting all riled up without understanding the actual facts. And drop all the words of extortion and blackmail. The cancel fee wasn’t even more than 100. So chill the F out. It’s not like I was asking for a million dollars.

 

1st off: he wasn’t a “client”. He was someone from adam4adam who’s been contacting me every time I go to his city for atleast the past couple of years. He’s never booked. I never paid him no mind, until he pissed me off on 4th of July, when I was only offering sessions on a limited time.

 

On the last time, he seemed to have finally balls up, and wanted to go forward with the session, his words. He was trying to get my address, texting incessantly giving me point by point info of where he was. He then backed out by saying I was too expensive, and when I asked how much he would be open to consider, he said ZERO. But then said $40. So then why the FUCK would he be contacting me then? And sending me naked pics of himself? Then, he stopped responding and just completely blew me off.

 

So he basically blatantly wasted my time, and then from there is when I presented my cancellation policy. Then he got nasty, and I had to get nasty right back.

 

So please, get the facts before you go accusing somebody. Be a sex worker for a day, and then you can talk some shit.

 

That’s why I said in another thread, my bad client list isn’t actually for clients, but for people like him. I think I finally trained his ass to stop fucking people around...because his tune changed. They think it’s cute and funny to do that stuff, but I’m not the one ☝?I didn’t contact him, he contacted me. Therefore he needs to yield to my way of doing things. It’s not a game of you contact me and boss me around, and tell me what you are and aren’t going to pay.

[MrMattBig]

The provider’s location and hotel choice are one of my main considerations in confirming a booking.

 

Why location? Because I don’t like being late for appointments and I often only have small pockets of time to meet providers. So I need to know which side of town they’ll be at for me to be sure I can make it to them on time.

 

Why hotel choice? I’ve had so many unpleasant experiences at so-called roach motels. A few hours after I left a cheapo hotel, after meeting a provider, a murder was committed there. Some hotels in my city are known for drug dealing activity. So yes, I need to know where a provider is staying.

 

When I ask a provider where he will he hosting at and his reply is, “You’ll get hotel info when you book”, I end the conversation.

 

I often tell providers we will have to pencil in a booking until the hotel info is known.

 

I have canceled appointments once or twice because I did not like the hotel the provider was booked in. And no, I did not pay cancellation fees. The providers knew I was picky with their hotel choice.

On the other end I have declined accepting appointments based off the area/hotel choice of a client as well. And I explained why as well (the hotel always had pimps and drug dealers around). Escorts deal with stalkers and law enforcement issues, so even the most courteous and professional escorts may not feel comfortable giving the hotel specifics out so much in advance.

I would couple your question with stating that you have had bad experiences with lower tier hotels and arriving in unsavory or dangerous conditions. That way the provider with have a better sense of your concerns and where you are coming from.

[Trick]

 

I would couple your question with stating that you have had bad experiences with lower tier hotels and arriving in unsavory or dangerous conditions. That way the provider with have a better sense of your concerns and where you are coming from.

 

Yes, I often do that. I let them know my reasons for asking for the hotel info. I actually end up giving them suggestions for where to stay, heads up for parking difficulties and key card access to elevators.

 

So Mr Provider, when I ask for your hotel info, I’m doing so as an ally and not an adversary.

[Mocha]

The provider’s location and hotel choice are one of my main considerations in confirming a booking.

 

I have canceled appointments once or twice because I did not like the hotel the provider was booked in. And no, I did not pay cancellation fees. The providers knew I was picky with their hotel choice.

 

Ok, well...that’s unfortunate but if that’s an issue for you, perhaps you should host or pick up the hotel tab for someplace more expensive. There’s been many times I’ve been in a city and had to go budget for a night or 2, because I spend my client’s money wisely. I don’t say, “one $250 appointment will cover the costs of that $150 hotel”. Well fuck, I may only get 1 client that night. I’m not fucking for $100. I go with the best value for what I need.

 

As I’ve said before, I’ve stayed in everything from motel 6 to the Westin and every brand of Mariott and Hilton. It’s not the name or the location, it’s the overall suitability of the hotel. I usually always book a king sized bed. I’ve gone to clients place at 4 star hotels, and they have 2 double beds. It’s uncomfortable for me to massage and fuck on a double bed. And in case you don’t know, I’ve compiled a list of hotels in 3 different cities, known for being expensive hotels, taken today. And this is on Priceline, this is not even their regular rates:

 

[+ VictorPowers]

Yes, I often do that. I let them know my reasons for asking for the hotel info. I actually end up giving them suggestions for where to stay, heads up for parking difficulties and key card access to elevators.

 

So Mr Provider, when I ask for your hotel info, I’m doing so as an ally and not an adversary.

I think in the end, more information is better than none. There are many factors that go into making a decision to hire or not. Hotel can be one of these factors.

[Mocha]

I feel like getting a hotel in many cities nowadays, is like putting a deposit on an apartment. They want to fucking kill you, just to sleep on a bed for the night. Some places in Dallas wanted $300 deposits. For a 2.5 star hotel!

 

They done lost their goddamn mind out here. And the rat infestation in California from the homeless (partly due to hotels rising their prices purposely to keep homeless people OUT) is going to spread Bubonic plague all over again and kill everybody out there.

Edited July 17, 2019 by Mocha

[Trick]

 

Ok, well...that’s unfortunate but if that’s an issue for you, perhaps you should host or pick up the hotel tab for someplace more expensive.

 

 

I am not willing to host or pick up the hotel tab for a meeting. What I’m saying is that if the provider is booked at a hotel I’m not comfortable with, then I don’t hire him. So as a client, I think I am entitled to know which hotel he is booked at so I can make my decision.

 

There are so many providers out there who book at good hotels and they’re getting my business.

[Mocha]

I am not willing to host or pick up the hotel tab for a meeting. What I’m saying is that if the provider is booked at a hotel I’m not comfortable with, then I don’t hire him. So as a client, I think I am entitled to know which hotel he is booked at so I can make my decision.

 

There are so many providers out there who book at good hotels and they’re getting my business.

 

And that’s perfectly understandable. I am not condoning going to a shady hotel or area of town for an appointment. It’s a security risk. And I’m not saying I stay at those hotels either, so you don’t have to parade that provider’s are getting your business.

 

At the same time, just know that sometimes the options are limited. Hearing about a murder at a hotel after your appointment, shouldn’t be the provider’s fault.

 

I am also saying it doesn’t matter 2 fucks either, whether I stay at the Hilton DuPont Circle or the Econo Lodge Phoenix. People don’t show up any less for me at a budget motel than a 4 star hotel.

[Trick]

And that’s perfectly understandable. I am not condoning going to a shady hotel or area of town for an appointment. It’s a security risk. And I’m not saying I stay at those hotels either, so you don’t have to parade that provider’s are getting your business.

 

At the same time, just know that sometimes the options are limited. Hearing about a murder at a hotel after your appointment, shouldn’t be the provider’s fault.

 

I am also saying it doesn’t matter 2 fucks either, whether I stay at the Hilton DuPont Circle or the Econo Lodge Phoenix. People don’t show up any less for me at a budget motel than a 4 star hotel.

 

It is clear from responses like this that you will only see and do things your way so there’s no point in discussing anything further. Good luck on your business.

[Mocha]

It is clear from responses like this that you will only see and do things your way so there’s no point in discussing anything further. Good luck on your business.

 

It’s clear from YOUR response, that YOU only see and do things your way. I just explained to you that I get where you’re coming from, and agreed on 1 of your points. I also explained why, and gave examples in the above post that I spent 10 minutes compiling hotel prices.

 

You need to stop being judgmental about where someone stays, and look at the facts. One thing I don’t do is drugs. But yet, I’ve had clients at the Warwick and upscale hotels ask if I could bring party favors. I have gone to lower end hotels, and not been asked to do so.

 

And don’t wish me luck if you don’t mean it. Luck without good intent is witchcraft, and I don’t play around with that. I don’t need witchcraft to be successful, so you can keep your luck ??

[Mocha]

“What is this ‘Priceline’ thing you speak of? Is it new? . You mean there’s deep discounted hotels out there you just have to COMMIT EARLY? And follow through? Alien language.

 

Ill just leave my opinion short and sweet here: there’s absolutely no reason to conceal the name of the hotel until

Day of appointment, as the client deserves the opportunity to consider travel time, parking rates, SAFETY of the area etc before coming there. You can still protect yourself by not giving out the room number until just before.

 

This is an industry / game that requires trust. The more you extend the more you’ll receive.

 

This ‘Secret squirrel’ concealing information from clients is for amateurs.

 

Lest you forget; the average client has more to lose than you do, young grasshopper.

 

Tristan, my man! You know I always take your advice to ❤️.

 

I agree with everything you said, except it’s not always about concealing information, as it’s more of just I really don’t book hotels more than a day or 2 ahead of time. And like I explained to @VictorPowers , I really don’t have to nowadays because I find fewer people book in advance like they used to. Most people book the same or next day, even overnights and evenings. I may communicate with guys for a few days, but even then: I’ve found if I am not available the day of or the next day, they may not be available for another 2 months.

 

Now...once I’m in hotel, yes, I’m going to give the information. I just don’t like to do it PRIOR to getting to a hotel for various reasons.

 

I remember meeting up with Porn star Ray Dalton in Denver, over dinner. He was explaining how he was at a hotel (and it wasn’t the Ritz, but something affordable yet decent) and had some issues with the internet connectivity or something. I’ve had cases like that, where I had to checkout the hotel and go elsewhere because of some bullshit with the hotel (last weekend I had cancelled a hotel 15 minutes after checking in, because their pool looked like crap, and my boo thang visiting me, wanted a POOL.)

 

That’s another reason I don’t give hotel info: I have to get there first and make sure it’s suitable. Clients get suspicious when I have to change hotels, so I only give approximate location until I’m actually in the room and happy with it.

[+ ArVaGuy]

Children, calm down. You getting all riled up without understanding the actual facts. And drop all the words of extortion and blackmail. The cancel fee wasn’t even more than 100. So chill the F out. It’s not like I was asking for a million dollars.

 

1st off: he wasn’t a “client”. He was someone from adam4adam who’s been contacting me every time I go to his city for atleast the past couple of years. He’s never booked. I never paid him no mind, until he pissed me off on 4th of July, when I was only offering sessions on a limited time.

 

On the last time, he seemed to have finally balls up, and wanted to go forward with the session, his words. He was trying to get my address, texting incessantly giving me point by point info of where he was. He then backed out by saying I was too expensive, and when I asked how much he would be open to consider, he said ZERO. But then said $40. So then why the FUCK would he be contacting me then? And sending me naked pics of himself? Then, he stopped responding and just completely blew me off.

 

So he basically blatantly wasted my time, and then from there is when I presented my cancellation policy. Then he got nasty, and I had to get nasty right back.

 

So please, get the facts before you go accusing somebody. Be a sex worker for a day, and then you can talk some shit.

 

That’s why I said in another thread, my bad client list isn’t actually for clients, but for people like him. I think I finally trained his ass to stop fucking people around...because his tune changed. They think it’s cute and funny to do that stuff, but I’m not the one ☝?I didn’t contact him, he contacted me. Therefore he needs to yield to my way of doing things. It’s not a game of you contact me and boss me around, and tell me what you are and aren’t going to pay.

 

Rationalize this all you wish, You stated that you threatened to expose someone to his family with pictures he sent you.

[ericwinters]

Anybody else feel that this conversation has become very circular and dizzying?

[+ ArVaGuy]

Anybody else feel that this conversation has become very circular and dizzying?

 

Such is always the case with threads started by the OP.

[Trick]

 

It’s clear from YOUR response, that YOU only see and do things your way.

 

 

OH YES I DO

 

My realtor found me a house I LIKED at the location I PICKED.

 

The car dealership found me a car with the make and model I LIKED.

 

My favorite restaurant serves me the food I ENJOY eating

 

My favorite escorts interact with me in ways that I LIKE, they give me experiences I ENJOY, and they stay in hotels and locations I’M COMFORTABLE WITH.

 

Why??? BECAUSE I’M THE CLIENT!!! I GET WHAT I WANT!!!

 

The realtor, car dealership, and restaurant staff don’t feel like I’m bullying them around, they’re happy they’re providing the best service they have to offer. I can’t see why an escort would feel otherwise.

[RealAvalon]

Tristan, my man! You know I always take your advice to ❤️.

 

I agree with everything you said, except it’s not always about concealing information, as it’s more of just I really don’t book hotels more than a day or 2 ahead of time. And like I explained to @VictorPowers , I really don’t have to nowadays because I find fewer people book in advance like they used to. Most people book the same or next day, even overnights and evenings. I may communicate with guys for a few days, but even then: I’ve found if I am not available the day of or the next day, they may not be available for another 2 months.

 

Now...once I’m in hotel, yes, I’m going to give the information. I just don’t like to do it PRIOR to getting to a hotel for various reasons.

 

I remember meeting up with Porn star Ray Dalton in Denver, over dinner. He was explaining how he was at a hotel (and it wasn’t the Ritz, but something affordable yet decent) and had some issues with the internet connectivity or something. I’ve had cases like that, where I had to checkout the hotel and go elsewhere because of some bullshit with the hotel (last weekend I had cancelled a hotel 15 minutes after checking in, because their pool looked like crap, and my boo thang visiting me, wanted a POOL.)

 

That’s another reason I don’t give hotel info: I have to get there first and make sure it’s suitable. Clients get suspicious when I have to change hotels, so I only give approximate location until I’m actually in the room and happy with it.

Take this as a real question and not a comment please. A lot of sex work is performative. Is there a niche market for argumentative?

[RealAvalon]

Tristan, my man! You know I always take your advice to ❤️.

 

I agree with everything you said, except it’s not always about concealing information, as it’s more of just I really don’t book hotels more than a day or 2 ahead of time. And like I explained to @VictorPowers , I really don’t have to nowadays because I find fewer people book in advance like they used to. Most people book the same or next day, even overnights and evenings. I may communicate with guys for a few days, but even then: I’ve found if I am not available the day of or the next day, they may not be available for another 2 months.

 

Now...once I’m in hotel, yes, I’m going to give the information. I just don’t like to do it PRIOR to getting to a hotel for various reasons.

 

I remember meeting up with Porn star Ray Dalton in Denver, over dinner. He was explaining how he was at a hotel (and it wasn’t the Ritz, but something affordable yet decent) and had some issues with the internet connectivity or something. I’ve had cases like that, where I had to checkout the hotel and go elsewhere because of some bullshit with the hotel (last weekend I had cancelled a hotel 15 minutes after checking in, because their pool looked like crap, and my boo thang visiting me, wanted a POOL.)

 

That’s another reason I don’t give hotel info: I have to get there first and make sure it’s suitable. Clients get suspicious when I have to change hotels, so I only give approximate location until I’m actually in the room and happy with it.

Take this as a real question and not a comment please. A lot of sex work is performative. Is there a niche market for argumentative?

[MikeBiDude]

Rationalize this all you wish, You stated that you threatened to expose someone to his family with pictures he sent you.

Yup, his answer to your blackmail/extortion question could have been one word, “yes”.

[Trick]

Yup, his answer to your blackmail/extortion question could have been one word, “yes”.

 

Unfortunately, he doesn’t seem to know how to give one-word answers. He likes replying with dissertations.

[Mocha]

I can’t with y’all. I’ve already said what I needed to say. If you all want to go back and forth and make little snippy, snide comments like a bunch of teenage girls, knock yourselves out.

 

Edited July 18, 2019 by Mocha

[Mocha]

OH YES I DO

 

My realtor found me a house I LIKED at the location I PICKED.

 

The car dealership found me a car with the make and model I LIKED.

 

My favorite restaurant serves me the food I ENJOY eating

 

My favorite escorts interact with me in ways that I LIKE, they give me experiences I ENJOY, and they stay in hotels and locations I’M COMFORTABLE WITH.

 

Why??? BECAUSE I’M THE CLIENT!!! I GET WHAT I WANT!!!

 

The realtor, car dealership, and restaurant staff don’t feel like I’m bullying them around, they’re happy they’re providing the best service they have to offer. I can’t see why an escort would feel otherwise.

 

OH NO YOU DON’T. You sound like a spoiled brat of a client. You got it twisted up. It’s not the escort’s responsibility to revolve around your pompous demand before you even met them.

 

Remember: people still have to travel miles out the way to go to car dealerships (especially if you’re talking foreign car dealerships which are mainly only in he big cities...I knew a client who traveled from Salt Lake City to Albuquerque to buy a BMW)

 

You still have to travel to THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE RESTAURANT IS. To get your food right. You don’t ask Ruth Chris to move closer to you. Ruth Chris is going to set up shop where they choose to.

 

YOU STILL HAVE TO GO TO WHEREVER THAT REAL ESTATE OFFICE IS. You don’t say, “oh that’s too far, can you move your real estate office closer to me?” I used to work in. Real Estate office run by Jewish: They were in downtown Miami. People got their butts up and traveled in horrendous Miami traffic to go to work or have meetings

 

The problem with attitudes like that: you have an superiority complex. You think escorts are below you, and should therefore do everything how you want it to be. News flash: it’s not. And stop trying to veer so far off the topic: it’s about which HOTEL an escort is in. Not about the SERVICE or food or color or home he provides.

 

And if you really want to know the truth: 99% of my clients don’t demand for shit, they tell me to do whatever I want to do with them.

 

Edited July 18, 2019 by Mocha

[Trick]

OH NO YOU DON’T. You sound like a spoiled brat of a client. You got it twisted up. It’s not the escort’s responsibility to revolve around your pompous demand before you even met them.

 

Remember: people still have to travel miles out the way to go to car dealerships (especially if you’re talking foreign car dealerships which are mainly only in he big cities...I knew a client who traveled from Salt Lake City to Albuquerque to buy a BMW)

 

You still have to travel to THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE RESTAURANT IS. To get your food right. You don’t ask Ruth Chris to move closer to you. Ruth Chris is going to set up shop where they choose to.

 

YOU STILL HAVE TO GO TO WHEREVER THAT REAL ESTATE OFFICE IS. You don’t say, “oh that’s too far, can you move your real estate office closer to me?” I used to work in. Real Estate office run by Jewish: They were in downtown Miami. People got their butts up and traveled in horrendous Miami traffic to go to work or have meetings

 

The problem with attitudes like that: you have an superiority complex. You think escorts are below you, and should therefore do everything how you want it to be. News flash: it’s not. And stop trying to veer so far off the topic: it’s about which HOTEL an escort is in. Not about the SERVICE or food or color or home he provides.

 

And if you really want to know the truth: 99% of my clients don’t demand for shit, they tell me to do whatever I want to do with them.

 

 

You talk like you have a good client base. So why all the complaints about clients ghosting you or cancelling or giving lousy excuses to ditch you? Why all the complaints about the cities being tough markets?

 

You seem to have a problem with everything - clients, cities, hotels, etc. Have you ever paused to think that the problem might be you?

 

You are a member of this forum where potential clients are members too. I don’t think you will get clients from here with the attitude you are showing in every thread or post you make.

 

You accuse me of having a superiority complex. There are escorts in this forum whom I’ve met who can vouch for me that I do not. It is you who exhibit an INFERIORITY complex. You keep comparing yourself to a slave being auctioned off. With that mentality, anything we say and do as clients will cause you to think we are lording over you.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Trick

[Trick]

OH NO YOU DON’T. You sound like a spoiled brat of a client. You got it twisted up. It’s not the escort’s responsibility to revolve around your pompous demand before you even met them.

 

Remember: people still have to travel miles out the way to go to car dealerships (especially if you’re talking foreign car dealerships which are mainly only in he big cities...I knew a client who traveled from Salt Lake City to Albuquerque to buy a BMW)

 

You still have to travel to THE LOCATION OF WHERE THE RESTAURANT IS. To get your food right. You don’t ask Ruth Chris to move closer to you. Ruth Chris is going to set up shop where they choose to.

 

YOU STILL HAVE TO GO TO WHEREVER THAT REAL ESTATE OFFICE IS. You don’t say, “oh that’s too far, can you move your real estate office closer to me?” I used to work in. Real Estate office run by Jewish: They were in downtown Miami. People got their butts up and traveled in horrendous Miami traffic to go to work or have meetings

 

The problem with attitudes like that: you have an superiority complex. You think escorts are below you, and should therefore do everything how you want it to be. News flash: it’s not. And stop trying to veer so far off the topic: it’s about which HOTEL an escort is in. Not about the SERVICE or food or color or home he provides.

 

And if you really want to know the truth: 99% of my clients don’t demand for shit, they tell me to do whatever I want to do with them.

 

 

You talk like you have a good client base. So why all the complaints about clients ghosting you or cancelling or giving lousy excuses to ditch you? Why all the complaints about the cities being tough markets?

 

You seem to have a problem with everything - clients, cities, hotels, etc. Have you ever paused to think that the problem might be you?

 

You are a member of this forum where potential clients are members too. I don’t think you will get clients from here with the attitude you are showing in every thread or post you make.

 

You accuse me of having a superiority complex. There are escorts in this forum whom I’ve met who can vouch for me that I do not. It is you who exhibit an INFERIORITY complex. You keep comparing yourself to a slave being auctioned off. With that mentality, anything we say and do as clients will cause you to think we are lording over you.

Edited July 19, 2019 by Trick

[+ tristanbaldwin]

You talk like you have a good client base. So why all the complaints about clients ghosting you or cancelling or giving lousy excuses to ditch you? Why all the complaints about the cities being tough markets?

 

You seem to have a problem with everything - clients, cities, hotels, etc. Have you ever paused to think that the problem might be you?

 

You are a member of this forum where potential clients are members too. I don’t think you will get clients from here with the attitude you are showing in every thread or post you make.

 

You accuse me of having a superiority complex. There are escorts in this forum whom I’ve met who can vouch for me that I do not. It is you who exhibit an INFERIORITY complex. You keep comparing yourself to a slave being auctioned off. With that mentality, anything we say and do as clients causes you to think we are lording over you.

Holy Fuck did I just jerk off to you writing this. I mean it. And not a small load either.

 

@Mocha , I’ve said it once I’ve said it a thousand times- you’ve got enough looks to carry you but the minute you engage in conversations like this you need to bury your head in the sand like an Ostrich

 

@ArVaGuy - You Nailed it. It’s not about whether it’s 1000 or 100 or 40 dollars...You do NOT BLACKMAIL or EXTORT clients.

 

PS @Mocha again- does Colorado have a good State assisted Medicare / Insurance program? If I let you use my address in Connecticut, where we have HUSKY care, which is PHENOMENAL....will you get fucking help? I can’t believe I’m reading some of this shit; this is the reason guys don’t wanna hire PERIOD- because of blowback.