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I really do wish there were better ways to get in contact with those who are actually willing to meet and go through with the exchange in it’s entirety. I would ask for deposits or cancellation fees but more often than not, for me at least, it scares off potential clients and I’m left empty handed.

Cancelations are unavoidable. They’ll always happen. Even No Shows. You can take every precaution imaginable and still have it happen. I’d suggest you just brush it off, wish them well and move on. If they canceled for a real reason, being sweet to them will only pay off positively for you in the future.

 

A very good client of mine cancelled when I traveled to his city for his birthday. I arranged other appointments in addition to him but we both know that this particular city isn’t a great market for me. He had real excuses and felt terrible. He actually still paid me in full, despite my telling him not to.

 

This business is about building relationships and treating people right.

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Cancelations are unavoidable. They’ll always happen. Even No Shows. You can take every precaution imaginable and still have it happen. I’d suggest you just brush it off, wish them well and move on. If they canceled for a real reason, being sweet to them will only pay off positively for you in the future.

 

A very good client of mine cancelled when I traveled to his city for his birthday. I arranged other appointments in addition to him but we both know that this particular city isn’t a great market for me. He had real excuses and felt terrible. He actually still paid me in full, despite my telling him not to.

 

This business is about building relationships and treating people right.

Of course. Things happen and people can no longer do what they arranged to do sometimes. I completely understand when that happens. My issue is when people cancel because, and I can not make this up, “I found someone for free.”

 

Yes, you can cancel on me if you find a better, cheaper option. It’s understandable and it makes sense.

 

No, it is not acceptable for you to cancel just because you found someone free. Especially when you cancel without even informing me that you found service elsewhere. At that point I’ve wasted time and money making arrangements in an attempt to accommodate someone who has thought little, if any, about the type of situation I am placed in due to their decision making.

 

We all get it. Shit happens. Plans change. The responsible, sensible, and generally right thing to do in these situations is inform each party involved of any changes that may effect the plans made. I extend that courtesy to each of my clients and very rarely do I receive it in return.

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Very accurate observation @manTOman

 

 

 

Much as I understand your frustrations and frequent complaints about your business @Mocha, this seems to suggest a lack of organisation on your part. I’m surprised the Client is still waiting...

 

There’s no lack of organization on my part. I was already in the hotel and set up. I couldn’t extend a late checkout because there was a wave of people who had arrived due to some tournament in the area, which got cancelled anyway because of the rain. I had offered the client to meet at a different time/day, he wasn’t able to. I stayed at this same hotel two weeks ago and there was no problem with me doing a late checkout. But today, they told me and I overheard them say, they aren’t doing any late checkouts.

 

I can’t always control when hotels decide to either A) not let anyone check in until a certain time and B) not let anyone stay past checkout. That’s why I often tell clients the dead zone hours for me to host while I’m at a hotel is between 11 am and 2 pm. Either I have to check in, check out, or waiting for maids to clean.

 

That doesn’t make me disorganized, that’s just the limitations clients need to understand when booking a traveling escort.

 

And by the way...he waited and we just went to the bar until my room was ready. And we f**ked and I got paid. People understand more when they see things happening in real time, versus just texting about it over the phone.

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Ok so the new question is why chastise clients asking where you’re staying when that seems to be the traveling escort industry standard? How is a client to know you do things differently?

 

Chastising? Who is chastising anyone? I simply answered your question and said that I don’t book hotels ahead of time, for the reasons stated. I’m not going to book a bunch of hotels ahead of time in every city I plan to touch and then cancel if shit doesn’t go exactly as planned, because some places have more than 24 hours that you need to cancel. Also Priceline and Hotwire bookings can’t be cancelled unless you have good reason...and even then they’ll only let you do once or twice a year.

 

I travel EVERY MONTH, many times for 2-3 weeks at a time. Do the math. It wouldn’t make sense to have hotels already booked and lined up.

 

Even if I did...I don’t know where it says in the escort service manual, that an escort should give out their hotel location to someone who simply texts them asking where they’re staying. I don’t know where it says that’s standard. That’s not the standard, where did you hear that from? Because as far as I know, safety and common sense would say to give out address info AFTER the appointment is confirmed. Not area of town, because I’m going to always tell them what area of town. I’m talking ADDRESS.

 

Why? I’m going to explain to you and everybody else why, because I don’t have to defend myself on this topic. Because it wouldn’t make sense for someone to be telling every person who texts them what hotel they’re at, only to get, “oh that’s too far, something came up, etc.”

 

I had someone tell me that yesterday: I gave him my area of town first, we confirmed and then I gave address over the phone, and he immediately said, “that’s too far, I hate that area of town...too much traffic”. I said dude, duuuuuude, it’s a SUNDAY. There’s no traffic! I drove here 30 miles from Illinois and got here in 25 minutes ??‍♂️ Fortunently he came thru.

 

You want to know another reason why I don’t? I had some f**king ba**ard years ago call my hotel room in Denver 20 times on “his way there” and ring up my goddamn phone bill in the room. Never fucking showed up. So that’s why I don’t give out my hotel address or room number until the DAY OF unless it’s an overnight or special arrangements.

 

Don’t tell me what’s standard. My security matters more than what’s standard.

 

..oh and I also had a guy in Chicago who was staying at the same hotel as me. He didn’t sound serious off the bat, and his a4a profile was saying “he’s not generous” but yet he’s asking me for a paid appointment.

 

He asks me: what room are you in? I said: let me know when you’re to the 2nd floor and I’ll wave out the door to my room. As expected, never showed up but wanted to know where I was. Creep.

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@Mocha Do you think scheduling a session on check out day after normal check out was wise? In most scenarios it’s a hard stop unless you have it prearranged but even this is iffy unless you can use your hotel status. It’d be my recommendation to stick with one hotel brand. I have Ambassador status with Martiott Bonvoy program. I can check in at any hour essentially and 4 pm Check outs are standard with no questions asked.

This is just one perk among many. You’ll find many answers to be yes rather than no even with mid level status with a hotel.

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Even if I did...I don’t know where it says in the escort service manual, that an escort should give out their hotel location to someone who simply texts them asking where they’re staying.

Ah! Found it for ya!

 

Article VII Section 3.14

Upon receiving inquiry of location, Escort shall furnish hotel information to inquiring party. If no location can be furnished, client is not bound to any perceived appointment.

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@Mocha Do you think scheduling a session on check out day after normal check out was wise? In most scenarios it’s a hard stop unless you have it prearranged but even this is iffy unless you can use your hotel status. It’d be my recommendation to stick with one hotel brand. I have Ambassador status with Martiott Bonvoy program. I can check in at any hour essentially and 4 pm Check outs are standard with no questions asked.

This is just one perk among many. You’ll find many answers to be yes rather than no even with mid level status with a hotel.

 

I’m a member of Mariott and I have a client who works for them so I get F&F discount also. So I know about them. Mariott Bonvoy isn’t in all cities as far as I know. I’m also platinum and diamond with 2 other hotel chains. But I still use Priceline when I feel like it. In some cities, Priceline is just going to be the best deal.

 

Also, like I said...I didn’t schedule him for that time. That was the only time he had available. He scheduled that, and he also said that was the only time he could meet that week. He lives out of town, I live out of town. Yeah I went out of my way for a client, are you saying I’m wrong for doing that too? ??‍♂️

 

Cancelations are unavoidable. They’ll always happen. Even No Shows. You can take every precaution imaginable and still have it happen. I’d suggest you just brush it off, wish them well and move on. If they canceled for a real reason, being sweet to them will only pay off positively for you in the future.

 

A very good client of mine cancelled when I traveled to his city for his birthday. I arranged other appointments in addition to him but we both know that this particular city isn’t a great market for me. He had real excuses and felt terrible. He actually still paid me in full, despite my telling him not to.

 

This business is about building relationships and treating people right.

 

To your last sentence: you’re right. Like Trump said: ON BOTH SIDES. Can’t just be the escort treating the client right, client needs to treat escort right too.

 

I disagree HIGHLY on your other bolded points though. You may be okay with people cancelling on you and brushing it off, if that’s okay...that’s your life and time. I don’t fault you for it. But don’t fault me for how I do things because I would be the last person to brush something off.

 

I’ve TOO many instances where I’ve made big concessions to meet clients, and they CANCELLED. There was a time I left my deceased grandmother’s sick bed, to drive across the Florida Everglades to meet a client who we planned an evening session with. Fort Lauderdale/Miami can be excruciatingly slow business and traffic wise, but I was willing to drive the distance.

 

Halfway driving thru, he tries to cancel because I had let him know I was arriving slightly later than planned. I was NOT having it. I texted him after we got off the phone and said if cancelled on me, after I left my grandmas sick bed and drove halfway, that’s an asshole move.

 

He ended up keeping the appointment, and even ended up taking me to dinner and paying for the hotel and letting me keep the hotel he booked, and paid.

 

If you’d of let that slide and brushed it off and wished them the best, you’re a pushover.

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I’m a member of Mariott and I have a client who works for them so I get F&F discount also. So I know about them. Mariott Bonvoy isn’t in all cities as far as I know. I’m also platinum and diamond with 2 other hotel chains. But I still use Priceline when I feel like it. In some cities, Priceline is just going to be the best deal.

 

Also, like I said...I didn’t schedule him for that time. That was the only time he had available. He scheduled that, and he also said that was the only time he could meet that week. He lives out of town, I live out of town. Yeah I went out of my way for a client, are you saying I’m wrong for doing that too? ??‍♂️

You’d be hard pressed to find a city Marriott isn’t in considering there final official merge with SPG. It appears the issue here is using Priceline. Hotels view these bookings as bottom priority. You don’t receive any reward member perks, points, or anything.

If you worked with that client, it’s great. What isn’t great is making promises if a time and hosting when you couldn’t cover that 100%. You gambled on the fact the hotel would let you Check out late.

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My issue is when people cancel because, and I can not make this up, “I found someone for free.”

 

Yes, you can cancel on me if you find a better, cheaper option. It’s understandable and it makes sense.

 

Oh HELL no. I wouldn’t take that shit. I don’t care if they found someone cheaper or free, that’s disrespectful. The human body is not a store or shelf item or piece of meat to be swapped out for a cheaper cut. To cancel because someone found someone cheaper shows a lack of moral and responsibility on the clients end...and most of those clients aren’t worth meeting because they see us as slaves, not as persons in business. That’s what they did in the slavery days: Auction off and try to get the biggest negro for the least amount of money. That’s why I DESPISE that type of mentality. You don’t have to pay me $1,000, but don’t tell me how another guy is cheaper.

 

And as far as someone finding someone for free: I had a guy try to bullshit me like that over 4th of July. He’s like, “I don’t want to pay your rate, I only got $40 I won at the casino”. Then he went out to say: “If it were up to me, I would pay you ZERO because I don’t pay for sex. AND THEN, he didn’t show up after I GAVE THE ADDRESS TO MY FRIEND’S HOUSE.

 

I was LIVID. I told him he’d better get my cancellation agreement to me ASAP, otherwise those naked pictures he sexually harassed me with (according to Texas law anyway) will be going to his kids who he said were in college. Let’s just say I got more than $40 haha ?

 

I’m too old to be dealing with disrespect. I put up with a lot of shit in my younger escorting days, nowadays I have 0 tolerance. At the same time, I been having to coach myself and tell myself not to go TOO hard on them. I almost went off on a guy who cancelled yesterday, and then later we rescheduled and he said he had a friend over.

 

We ended up meeting and had a hot 2 BBC on 1 White guy session. The session was epic, and I think the other guy who was there was his “free” friend. So...I’m trying to exercise patience, compassion and humility in some circumstances. Just don’t accept blatant disrespect.

 

I am leaning more to asking and asking again before just immediately kicking them to the curb. I’ll admit I’ve pushed away what could of been a few good regular clients this year in the process.

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You’d be hard pressed to find a city Marriott isn’t in considering there final official merge with SPG. It appears the issue here is using Priceline. Hotels view these bookings as bottom priority. You don’t receive any reward member perks, points, or anything.

If you worked with that client, it’s great. What isn’t great is making promises if a time and hosting when you couldn’t cover that 100%. You gambled on the fact the hotel would let you Check out late.

 

I’m talking about Mariott Bonvoy. I think they’re different levels. Mariott and Mariott Bonvoy. I know all about Mariott, a client of mine in Florida was trying for 2 years to get me to join their team, but I’m just not into hospitality industry.

 

I also didn’t “gamble”, I was just doing what they usually let me do...pay for later check out. But they switched up on it. And yes, that’s why for awhile I stopped using Priceline because I know you tend to get less treatment, but not always. That’s a myth. I once booked a hotel thru Priceline in Phoenix, and I got extreme sick from something due to the pool, and they paid me $3,000 and gave me a free night voucher.

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@Mocha Marriott Bonvoy is the name of the Program. Like Hilton HHONORS. Levels are:

Member

Silver

Gold

Platinum

Titanium

Ambassador

 

You said “Usually Do” so yes a Gamble. If you cannot 100% guarantee your room for a pre set time period for a client, you’re gambling in it being available. Late check outs are very much so based on availability. If the hotel was booked solid the next day, your room was on the chopping block.

 

As for your pool experience. If the pool felt liable in anyway, $3k and a voucher sounds way better than a lawsuit where they are ound liable for health related damages. This was all in the name of mitigating risk and had nothing to do with the type of rate your stay had.

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@Mocha Marriott Bonvoy is the name of the Program. Like Hilton HHONORS. Levels are:

 

Ok...I get it now. I just checked the site, but I thought Mariott Bonvoy were their vacation/luxury brands only. I guess the merging of Sheraton called for a name change that covered all the brands, not just Mariott.

 

But whatever. If you want to be that saddity type of escort that only stays at the Mariott, more power to you. Tonight I’m staying at a Red Roof Inn. It’s not dirty or dingy, but it’s not Mariott or Hilton either. And when I checked Mariott.com in the city I’m in, the only availability is a $296 hotel in downtown and a $107 a night hotel way the hell out somewhere far from town.

 

So, superficial hotel name dropping is irrelevant to me. I’ve stayed in everything from the Westin Crystal City to the Motel 6 in Palm Springs. Makes no difference

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Marriott has a very wide range of hotel brands. I’d much prefer the points, status perks, and overall great experiences being loyal to one brand. If you ask many business travelers out there, I’d bet they would agree with me on that with both hotels and airlines. Loyalty helps both parties out but if you’re after the cheapest cost savings option, there’s always that too.

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Marriott has a very wide range of hotel brands. I’d much prefer the points, status perks, and overall great experiences being loyal to one brand. If you ask many business travelers out there, I’d bet they would agree with me on that with both hotels and airlines. Loyalty helps both parties out but if you’re after the cheapest cost savings option, there’s always that too.

 

Well I’m not looking for the cheapest cost savings...I can be picky. And I’ve had the odd client get scared off from a budget hotel, but unless they’re paying my rate and hotel, it’s irrelevant. But I usually never have to pay more than $90-100 a night for a hotel in any city. The only time I’ve done that this year, was in Palm Springs, and I was trying to stay as close as possible to $100.

 

But regardless, I’ve stayed in all brands, for under $100. I just checked my center console, I’ve got Marriott, Hilton, and Sheraton room key cards on me lol. But...over the weekend I stayed at Days Inn because I wasn’t going to pay $300 a night to stay someplace during an event where everything is pretty much sold out

 

And here’s a little secret: Most of my best sex encounters had been at budget hotels: Travelodge, Days Inn, etc. I feel guys are more inclined to go to the smaller in/out motels versus some towering hotel where they may walk a mile only to realize the guy isn’t what their pictures are.

 

As long as the hotel isn’t a complete dump or unsafe looking, one shouldn’t have any issue getting laid in them lol.

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This thread is entertaining and useful. Well done guys :)

 

How I see it: Show loyalty to a brand and the brand will throw you a bone when you need it (ie, a guaranteed late check-out). Same thing goes for building up status with an airline- When the shit hits the fan (and it always does), they take care of their elite first.

 

I also recommend carrying an Amex Platinum, which gives you access to their FHR program: A ton of perks, including 12 noon check-in and 4pm check-out, guaranteed. The card also gives you automatic mid-level status in a number of hotel/car programs.

 

A number of other credit cards offer the same kind of perks: Chase Sapphire Reserve, Capital One Venture, etc.

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onr point I haven’t mentioned is timing in booking. Your $296 hotel would likely be $130-150 if you purchase it far enough

 

Ah good read indeed! Did you see 2018’s revision?

 

Says whom? I've often seen hotels already have their rates set high weeks in anticipation of an event. You're not understanding my drift here: I couldn't book/purchase far enough in advance. For 2 reasons: 1 is because I am unexpectedly in the city earlier/longer than planned (it was a plan B), but it worked out because I picked up extra clients by doing so.

 

And 2, I told you I don't plan hotels far in advance. Why would i? In 2019, it makes no sense for me to. Most of my clients nowadays book the same day or the next day. The times I've tried to book trips and hotels weeks ahead of time, it never works because the same people available 2 or 3 weeks ago, don't usually be available when I get to town.

 

In the last 3 days, I've had 4 clients...all of whom booked the day of or for the next day. The days of planning hotels ahead of time have passed. And in reality, they never were to begin with. Only twice in 10 years, have a booked/paid for hotels days/weeks ahead of time: once in Boston and the other in Chicago. Both turned out to be near disasters because nobody who contacted me during the time I had my ad up, showed up.

 

Even during 2009-2015, I used to have an email folder of guys who would contact me in each city (Salt Lake City was one of them) I planned, and contact them before I arrived into town. It worked then, but it doesn’t work anymore. Apps ruined that. I tried doing that the other day, reaching out to those who contacted me in a city I was pre-advertising in. Non of them were available.

 

So it would be foolish of me to book a hotel in advance of going anywhere, before verifying that the people would actually be available when I get there.

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and many hotels have 48 hour cancel and not 24 so you have to check what you are booking and plan accordingly

 

Exactly, and some (like Mariott) even make you pay in advance as well if the rooms are being booked during a hot week.

 

Hotels are a bitch. They want the most amount of money, give you the least amount of time in them, and cram in the most amount of people. That’s why air bnb is taking over. I have the app, but I haven’t done air bnb personally because many of the rooms are booked weeks ahead of time, and personally I don’t like the concept of it because it messes with the rental market, and too many people out here are trying to play landlord and make a living. I’ve also met hosts of air bnb properties on Grindr, and they can be as sneaky, greedy and money hungry as the hotel chains, trying to be a pimp and sell their couch/rooms/apartments. It’s sleazy to me, and after 2: I’ll never get personally involved with anyone who is an air bnb landlord.

 

I’ve known clients who had spare rooms and extra space, and when asked if they would rent it out on air bnb, they usually say no. I also know of people who get apartments for the purpose of renting them on air bnb, I’m not particularly fond of that either.

 

https://www.citylab.com/equity/2019/02/study-airbnb-cities-rising-home-prices-tax/581590/

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These are the 2 phrases that are becoming far too common, yet have very little reliability behind them.

 

Generally I advertise my travel locations ahead of time, but I generally don’t have a line of hotels already booked before I arrive because let’s face it: shit comes up, dates change/clients can’t make it and then it doesn’t look make sense to go.

 

What gets me are when guys contact when i put my ad in a city, and they ask “where you going to be staying” before I even get there. I tell them all the time, I’ve not yet confirmed hotel location, it will be given shortly before my arrival by X time of day. Even if I did a hotel lined up, how safe is it on my end, to be giving out which hotel I’m at before I even get settled in.

 

The problem is, when I don’t give them hotel info: sometimes I get the whole, “well we didn’t make an appointment” when I would follow up to confirm, and they flake or say something come up and I ask for a cancellation fee. One guy tried to use the excuse, “well I didn’t know what hotel you’d be at” as a way of saying we didn’t make an appointment, even though I made it clear I would be following up the very next day to confirm, which I did at 9 am...and he says something came up.

 

Frankly at this point I’m so so sick of hotels and sick of guys asking where I’m staying when they hit me up. I’m about to announce “I DON’T HOST”, but it seems the majority of clients want us to host, but the problem is it often gives them too much room to back out, and most guys asking to come to me, aren’t as reliable as the clients who can host.

 

On top of that, when I do host and tell them the hotel location, half of them exclaim, “that’s too far for me” or “I can’t get out there, it’s too far, thought you’d be staying downtown”

 

Has anyone seen the rates for hotels this summer? It’s ridiculous. Too expensive. Every city I’ve been to, and weekends get worse. Most hotels get sold out days ahead of getting there. It’s always some kind of event or conference or something going on, and clients don’t understand that stresses our options for hotels. I just want to travel city to city and meet guys who can host, and simply get an affordable hotel anywhere in town. If someone happens to be able to come to me great, but I’m getting tired of NEEDING to host, and needing to host in places that are convenient to clients.

 

Solutions?

 

Priceline is often a good solution in many markets...

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Priceline is often a good solution in many markets...

“What is this ‘Priceline’ thing you speak of? Is it new? :p. You mean there’s deep discounted hotels out there you just have to COMMIT EARLY? And follow through? Alien language.

 

Ill just leave my opinion short and sweet here: there’s absolutely no reason to conceal the name of the hotel until

Day of appointment, as the client deserves the opportunity to consider travel time, parking rates, SAFETY of the area etc before coming there. You can still protect yourself by not giving out the room number until just before.

 

This is an industry / game that requires trust. The more you extend the more you’ll receive.

 

This ‘Secret squirrel’ concealing information from clients is for amateurs.

 

Lest you forget; the average client has more to lose than you do, young grasshopper.

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“What is this ‘Priceline’ thing you speak of? Is it new? :p. You mean there’s deep discounted hotels out there you just have to COMMIT EARLY? And follow through? Alien language.

 

Ill just leave my opinion short and sweet here: there’s absolutely no reason to conceal the name of the hotel until

Day of appointment, as the client deserves the opportunity to consider travel time, parking rates, SAFETY of the area etc before coming there. You can still protect yourself by not giving out the room number until just before.

 

This is an industry / game that requires trust. The more you extend the more you’ll receive.

 

This ‘Secret squirrel’ concealing information from clients is for amateurs.

 

Lest you forget; the average client has more to lose than you do, young grasshopper.

 

I have had an instance where someone booked, flaked and played lookie loo and played stalker and voyeur in the hotel lobby for several hours. So I would have to slightly disagree with giving out hotel information days before/early. I will say there is no reason not to give out cross streets, train station stops your near etc, to the same points you mentioned.

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Oh HELL no. I wouldn’t take that shit. I don’t care if they found someone cheaper or free, that’s disrespectful. The human body is not a store or shelf item or piece of meat to be swapped out for a cheaper cut. To cancel because someone found someone cheaper shows a lack of moral and responsibility on the clients end...and most of those clients aren’t worth meeting because they see us as slaves, not as persons in business. That’s what they did in the slavery days: Auction off and try to get the biggest negro for the least amount of money. That’s why I DESPISE that type of mentality. You don’t have to pay me $1,000, but don’t tell me how another guy is cheaper.

 

And as far as someone finding someone for free: I had a guy try to bullshit me like that over 4th of July. He’s like, “I don’t want to pay your rate, I only got $40 I won at the casino”. Then he went out to say: “If it were up to me, I would pay you ZERO because I don’t pay for sex. AND THEN, he didn’t show up after I GAVE THE ADDRESS TO MY FRIEND’S HOUSE.

 

I was LIVID. I told him he’d better get my cancellation agreement to me ASAP, otherwise those naked pictures he sexually harassed me with (according to Texas law anyway) will be going to his kids who he said were in college. Let’s just say I got more than $40 haha ?

 

I’m too old to be dealing with disrespect. I put up with a lot of shit in my younger escorting days, nowadays I have 0 tolerance. At the same time, I been having to coach myself and tell myself not to go TOO hard on them. I almost went off on a guy who cancelled yesterday, and then later we rescheduled and he said he had a friend over.

 

We ended up meeting and had a hot 2 BBC on 1 White guy session. The session was epic, and I think the other guy who was there was his “free” friend. So...I’m trying to exercise patience, compassion and humility in some circumstances. Just don’t accept blatant disrespect.

 

I am leaning more to asking and asking again before just immediately kicking them to the curb. I’ll admit I’ve pushed away what could of been a few good regular clients this year in the process.

 

Wait. Time Out!

 

Do I understand the above to mean you threatened to BLACKMAIL a client if he canceled the session?? You then EXTORTED a “cancellation fee” from him significantly higher than would have been due?

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