Ripped off

[+ purplekow]

I am thinking of taking a trip to Vegas. I have been there before and I was reflecting back on those trips and some memories came back to me while I was thinking. On two occasions, while out at night, female prostitutes tried to engage me to engage them. At the time, I was seeing women more frequently than men, so I was open to the idea. One of the women acted as though she was intoxicated and though i had politely said no, she was insistent and tried following me back to my room. When I caught her trying to pick my pocket, she was suddenly very sober and very fast. She got no money. Another woman chatted me up at the bar and engaged me in conversation by saying she had not had sex in so long that there were spider webs down there. She followed me to a blackjack table and asked me to play a hand for her. She then took a chip off my stack and played it. She won the hand and I took her winnings and my original chip back.

I have not had similar problems with male escorts though one did threaten me while in my room.

My question is , have any of you been ripped off by an escort? I am not talking about the take the money and run before the deed is done type thing. Escorts, have you ever been ripped off in the course of you working?

[LaffingBear]

Nope

[+ glutes]

My question is , have any of you been ripped off by an escort?

 

PurpleKow, have another drink.

[rvwnsd]

Nope, but I was ripped off by a guy I was dating.

[+ poolboy48220]

She then took a chip off my stack and played it. She won the hand and I took her winnings and my original chip back

I remember a story not too long ago about someone who'd given someone else a token to play in a slot, it won big, and the question of who owned the jackpot. The casino said the person who pulled the lever was the winner, regardless of where they got the token. I think it went to court and they upheld the casino's position.

[wklucas]

A lousy memory / interaction that I had once in Vegas.....after several hours at a blackjack table & actually being up in a pretty healthy way (around $10k or so)…..one dealer who had rotated on the table between dealing & taking breaks....he was not sullen nor overtly unpleasant but basically "stone-faced" & never uttered a single friendly word or chit-chat of any kind....(in fairness, I did not initiate any convo either).....out of the blue, while dealing cards he asks me why I never toke (tip)….I quickly responded saying that I hadn't thought about it / hadn't realized.....(tipping the dealer is something that I sometimes do but not always)…..anyway, on my next winning hand, I leave a $25 chip on the table for him.....he picks it up & puts it in his shirt breast pocket without saying a word.....after a few seconds, I ask him - "no thank you ?".....he responds sarcastically " for that ???" (meaning he thought it was too small)......I lost it on the guy saying that 25 bucks outside the casino was "real coin", deserved a thx, yada/yada/yada....the pit boss overheard me....he came over....I briefly explained....they promptly took that dealer away from the table.....I doubt the guy got fired but if he did, I don't care.....I also left that table pretty quickly with all my winnings giving that place (Mirage) no chance to get some of it back.....afterwards, in my head / thoughts - that dealer also had no idea if I was a guy who had lost $10k the day before & was now just getting back to even.....so he had no real "right" to ask out of the blue about his getting tipped - at least not as an icebreaker for his very first greeting / conversation.....& while I do tip (when I remember) when I'm up & if the dealer is "friendly" with banter of some kind.....but overall my thoughts are dealers just deal the cards & have no real effect on whether the luck or the skill of the player makes for wins or losses.....in blackjack, the player controls his own "destiny" by making certain decisions......anyway, so many other places around the world for better casino gambling than Vegas.....just as well, many places with casinos are best to stay away from too.

[+ poolboy48220]

Porn star Marco Rossi made a guest appearance at a new strip club in Detroit (the club didn't last long). I didn't witness this, but heard that some guy tipped Marco during his show, and he said "that better be at least a $5". Management pulled him from the stage.

[+ purplekow]

I remember a story not too long ago about someone who'd given someone else a token to play in a slot, it won big, and the question of who owned the jackpot. The casino said the person who pulled the lever was the winner, regardless of where they got the token. I think it went to court and they upheld the casino's position.

One could make the case that in the jackpot situation it was a gift and in my situation it was a theft. Therefore, the winnings were ill gotten gains and not the rightful property of the person who took the chip.

[+ purplekow]

A lousy memory / interaction that I had once in Vegas.....after several hours at a blackjack table & actually being up in a pretty healthy way (around $10k or so)…..one dealer who had rotated on the table between dealing & taking breaks....he was not sullen nor overtly unpleasant but basically "stone-faced" & never uttered a single friendly word or chit-chat of any kind....(in fairness, I did not initiate any convo either).....out of the blue, while dealing cards he asks me why I never toke (tip)….I quickly responded saying that I hadn't thought about it / hadn't realized.....(tipping the dealer is something that I sometimes do but not always)…..anyway, on my next winning hand, I leave a $25 chip on the table for him.....he picks it up & puts it in his shirt breast pocket without saying a word.....after a few seconds, I ask him - "no thank you ?".....he responds sarcastically " for that ???" (meaning he thought it was too small)......I lost it on the guy saying that 25 bucks outside the casino was "real coin", deserved a thx, yada/yada/yada....the pit boss overheard me....he came over....I briefly explained....they promptly took that dealer away from the table.....I doubt the guy got fired but if he did, I don't care.....I also left that table pretty quickly with all my winnings giving that place (Mirage) no chance to get some of it back.....afterwards, in my head / thoughts - that dealer also had no idea if I was a guy who had lost $10k the day before & was now just getting back to even.....so he had no real "right" to ask out of the blue about his getting tipped - at least not as an icebreaker for his very first greeting / conversation.....& while I do tip (when I remember) when I'm up & if the dealer is "friendly" with banter of some kind.....but overall my thoughts are dealers just deal the cards & have no real effect on whether the luck or the skill of the player makes for wins or losses.....in blackjack, the player controls his own "destiny" by making certain decisions......anyway, so many other places around the world for better casino gambling than Vegas.....just as well, many places with casinos are best to stay away from too.

The $25 chip should have gone in the tip box not the pocket. I hope you pointed that out to the pit boss

[+ purplekow]

PurpleKow, have another drink.

Oaktown, those are the only two occasions in which I was so obviously ripped off. Not having another drink helps keep it that way. Can you say the same?

[+ bashful]

In the very rare times I've won at a table game, I don't tip until I leave the table, and don't pay attention to what happens to the tip I leave.

[rocky]

A lousy memory / interaction that I had once in Vegas.....after several hours at a blackjack table & actually being up in a pretty healthy way (around $10k or so)…..one dealer who had rotated on the table between dealing & taking breaks....he was not sullen nor overtly unpleasant but basically "stone-faced" & never uttered a single friendly word or chit-chat of any kind....(in fairness, I did not initiate any convo either).....out of the blue, while dealing cards he asks me why I never toke (tip)….I quickly responded saying that I hadn't thought about it / hadn't realized.....(tipping the dealer is something that I sometimes do but not always)…..anyway, on my next winning hand, I leave a $25 chip on the table for him.....he picks it up & puts it in his shirt breast pocket without saying a word.....after a few seconds, I ask him - "no thank you ?".....he responds sarcastically " for that ???" (meaning he thought it was too small)......I lost it on the guy saying that 25 bucks outside the casino was "real coin", deserved a thx, yada/yada/yada....the pit boss overheard me....he came over....I briefly explained....they promptly took that dealer away from the table.....I doubt the guy got fired but if he did, I don't care.....I also left that table pretty quickly with all my winnings giving that place (Mirage) no chance to get some of it back.....afterwards, in my head / thoughts - that dealer also had no idea if I was a guy who had lost $10k the day before & was now just getting back to even.....so he had no real "right" to ask out of the blue about his getting tipped - at least not as an icebreaker for his very first greeting / conversation.....& while I do tip (when I remember) when I'm up & if the dealer is "friendly" with banter of some kind.....but overall my thoughts are dealers just deal the cards & have no real effect on whether the luck or the skill of the player makes for wins or losses.....in blackjack, the player controls his own "destiny" by making certain decisions......anyway, so many other places around the world for better casino gambling than Vegas.....just as well, many places with casinos are best to stay away from too.

 

 

Not sure but I'd consider you to be a cheap guy I would not to be at my tables

[+ sniper]

Casinos pay the dealers and waitresses minimum wage. They make their living on tips, which are pooled. I generally bet a tip for them every 8-10 hands or so win or lose. If you are playing for hours and not tipping at all you're being cheap, and it doesn't sound like for the length of time you played that $25 was anything special. That said the dealers aren't supposed to complain about it and I get thanked even when I tip them $1.

[wklucas]

Casinos pay the dealers and waitresses minimum wage. They make their living on tips, which are pooled. I generally bet a tip for them every 8-10 hands or so win or lose. If you are playing for hours and not tipping at all you're being cheap, and it doesn't sound like for the length of time you played that $25 was anything special. That said the dealers aren't supposed to complain about it and I get thanked even when I tip them $1.

 

 

My "experience" with that dealer was a number of years ago.....I'm pretty certain that the dealer put my $25 chip into his shirt pocket so this might have been a time when "pooling tips" was still not common policy in Vegas......anyway, right or wrong, my attitude regarding tipping dealers is somewhat different from how I might conduct myself in other situations.....the dealer ain't my "friend".....I don't regard him or her as playing any part in deciding whether I win or lose a hand (or multi-hands since I sometimes enjoy playing 3 spots on the table)…..and also, the dealer has no idea if I'm a "struggling" player just trying to get back to even after losing heavily the previous day (no need to give away money in those situations).....bottomline, I just don't consider blackjack dealers as workers in the "service industry" - no apologies.....however when dealers exhibit some kind of friendly or supportive attitude / rapport / demeanor, I will indeed leave a tip in the spirit of camaraderie or whatever when I think about it.....or perhaps more often, give the dealer the choice of pocketing the chip or letting it stay on the table & playing it on my next hand for themselves - they decide if they want to take a chance to double their own tip or lose it altogether - they usually say thx whatever the outcome in those situations.....(when they lose, they say "thx for chance")…..whether tips or pooled or not, dealers are still offered those individual choices by players to make all the time.

[+ Pensant]

Gambling is something I never indulged in. Blackjack and poker baffle me.

[+ sniper]

Gambling is something I never indulged in. Blackjack and poker baffle me.

If you play correctly blackjack is very close to a wash, and if you do some counting you can actually have a slight edge. Which means you can often play for quite a long time for realtively little outlay, and it's social, getting to chat with the other players. As someone who has a hard time talking to strangers, I find having a built-in subject to talk about works well for me.

Poker on the other hand doesn't really appeal to me, it's competing against the other players. Some people like that, and if you are good at math and reading people you can actually expect to make money fairly regularly at lower limits where the competition is weak.

The trouble is if you are NOT good at math and enjoy these games....

[+ Pensant]

I may be too much of an agoraphobe to spend time in gambling places like Vegas. The crush of drunk fatties, smokers and general rowdiness...

[MikeBiDude]

The crush of drunk fatties

Are only fatties drunks? Generalization...and a bit unkind

[tenderloin]

I had a guy from A4A at my apartment. He was unsatisfactory, failing to do what was promised, but was insisting on a tip as we were dressing. I said no and explained why not. He then asked me to get him a glass of water. While I was out of the room, he took something of value off of a dresser - he would probably get $150 at a pawn shop for it - I didn't realize until he was gone. Lesson learned....

[down_to_business]

Putting a tip in a pocket can be policy and not theft depending on the casino. Some casinos do have the dealers put tips in the shirt pocket (never below the apron, pants pockets) and dump them into a designated tip area before they exit the pit (i.e. break or end of shift). Some casinos (back in the day) did keep their own tips although that is most uncommon now due to IRS strong-arming the casinos.

Also, dealers absolutely can not ask for tips as policy, and counseling, warnings, and even termination can occur if they do. It is understandable, however, that minimum wage employees who rely on tips for the bulk of their salary can get frazzled when people do not tip. An occasional dollar can change the whole mood for a dealer who has been stiffed all day long. You are also absolutely right that their is no excuse not to show appreciation for even a small gratuity.

[Guest]

I’ve been ripped off twice that I can think of off-hand. Once at an escort’s place I came out of the shower ready to pay him, and the money wasn’t in my pocket. We ended up going to an ATM as I had no proof, but I’m sure he stole the money while I was in the shower. Too bad as he was very good, and otherwise I would have hired him repeatedly. Another time at my place, an escort stole a gold cartouche I got in Egypt, with my name written in ancient Egyptian hieroglyphics. Probably not worth much in the open market, but it was of sentimental value to me. Another time at my place, an escort asked me if it was someone’s remains in the container in a pouch in my room. Yes, it was part of my father’s ashes. What the hell was he doing opening that pouch?