NikoLeto

On 10/19/2021 at 10:44 PM, nycman said:

Please let him be real.

Haven’t breed a muscle bull like that since the Joey Jordan days……damn he was fun!

All the guys that want muscle bottoms are in NYC. 😭

Wow, that was a wild trip.

In the end, I think it's just that there's a biological interest - the pleasure that comes from the action of getting fucked - or a mental interest - as a sub myself, I know the intense ... euphoria that can come from being tied down and physically "stimulated" - without an emotional interest.

For pay4gay guys, they're really just in it for the money, no attraction whatsoever. They fuck, they get fucked, and it might feel good, but there's a piece of the connection that makes someone "gay" or "bisexual" that just isn't there. Sure, from the outside, it looks, objectively, like gay sex, but it's not.

Let me try another way: Real cocks feel better than dildos, right? Well, if you are a straight guy that likes getting pegged, then getting fucked by a guy is going to be doing all the same things, but it's going to feel better, because it's a real cock going in your hole. In the same way, Navy seamen get put out to sea for a long-ass time. In those kind of extreme situations, the possibility for straight sex just isn't in the cards. Prison comes to mind, too. These are all extremes, mind you. It's completely possible people put themselves into these kinds of situations on purpose and like you said rationalize that they're still "straight" even though, again, it's objectively gay sex they're having.

Anecdotally, I've only been deployed on land, but we only had three females on our FOB, one an enlisted (like me), one an officer, and one a civilian. Technically, I could've shacked up with the civilian girl, because there's no UCMJ that I'm aware of that strictly prohibits servicemembers from engaging in sex at all, but I could be mistaken. Sex between me and the enlisted girl would have gotten us written up, and if she'd gotten pregnant that would've been a HUGE problem. I think it would be written up as "damaging government property," as I'd rendered another servicemember unfit to server in a theatre of war.

I said all of that to say that it would've been easier for me and the boys, who all shared bunks, to pound out a load and get off that way. To be clear, the farthest I got was with a curious straight guy who jerked off in the shower with me once. But if there's a gay guy in the barracks who's begging for cock and you've wanted nothing but sex for 8 months, you'd probably close your eyes and just enjoy the ride, then go back home to the wife and kids without batting an eyelash.

Also, can someone please explain to me the mechanics of a "Straight Bottom"?

The prostate gets massaged by a dildo or finger. The guy isn't sexually (or romantically, perhaps both) attracted to guys.

There are all types in this world. I know a guy that had a daddy who would buy a dominatrix for him and fuck him that way (The dom, not the daddy. He and the boy had a weird, plutonic relationship). The boy was heavy into bondage, basically whatever happened during bondage didn't register as "gay" or "straight" it was just sex. He was just in it for the punishment. The daddy pushed the envelope and blindfolded him and brought me, another guy, and a dominatrix in to fuck the boy, but he only found out that there were real dicks involved when the blindfold was removed in the moment. Curiously, he started getting very verbal and self-degrading, where before he was fairly quiet. He has since broken it off with his daddy to go live in CA with his girlfriend.

I think the topic here got a lot derailed, but as an escort, I figured I'd chime in. Like @Jarrod_Uncut, I structure my fees around what's expected of me, not what the client can pay. I can't see this being a successful strategy. Unless you bring incredible things to the table, or are gifted in pretty specific ways, you'll lose the client to someone charging local prices.

Per annual tradition:

 

Revenue decreased 29% from 2019.

 

39% of 2020 revenue came from the year’s top three clients, up from 32% in 2019.

 

http://www.laterslater.com/YE2020.png - Very curious what this broken image is on my end. A snapshot?

 

Kevin Slater

I kept track of a run of approximately 12 months 1+ years ago and have decided to restart the practice to have a better understanding of how much income I'm making beyond my day job and make financial planning for the distant future more accurate.

I'm curious what it is you track for your revenue. I think it's unlikely that it's just the total number.

I take down this data:

Nickname - name saved to number, may or may not be legal name

Account - phone number, usually

Amount - compensation

Tip - amount above and beyond expected amount

Date - date of meeting

Time - time of meeting

Day - day of the week the meeting takes place

Location - incall/outcall

Booking - expected function, to include timing of how many hours

"Function" - keyed words for use in analytics later, possible examples could include "massage," "wrestling," etc.

Notes - notes I may have about the encounter, future expectations of either party, difficulties finding the place; notes.

Anything you track that I don't?

It's my practice that the client picks up the receipt, but the cost of a 'regular' hour is not expected. I could've been eating somewhere else, enjoying my private time, but also, likely, enjoying food of a lesser calibur. The trade-off seems quite straightforward to me. They're getting my time by providing me a service I needed anyways - everyone has to eat.

Though, I'm not trying to talk shop with my clients about whatever it is they do during dinner - just casual conversation. Were I interested in talking specifics, I'd make it clear that there was no expectation for them to pay for my time or my dinner. The value generated from the conversation would be worth the expense.

I have never heard of a throat scan.

 

a huge percentage of gay men are HSV1 and HSV2 positive. In fact, so is the rest of the population. You can take valtrex once a day to prevent their reoccurrence. Over time, the outbreaks become less common. The triggers are considered stress, sun exposure, sleep deprivation,....

 

as a doctor, I treated a lot of patients for herpes. There has been work on vaccines, unsuccessfully, for years. Now there is some really interesting work done at Fred Hutch on gene editing as a treatment. Wry interesting science.

I hope he meant throat culture.

I once got a particularly unpleasant STI from a guy I was seeing somewhat regularly and was friendly with. When I phoned to tell him he was appalled and profusely apologetic. I communicated no anger, and in fact ended up trying to reassure him and make him feel better LOL. He kept asking if I was sure it was from him; as he was the only person I had been with for weeks before and after the arrival of the STI, the answer was a definite yes.

 

I confess I had hoped that the next time we were together he might offer a discount, or some extra time off the clock. It would have been a nice gesture to a regular customer, but he didn't. And I didn't ask.

Been doing this many, many years now. I've gotten STIs from clients, but only recently have I ever passed an STI to a client. I was mortified. He was actually very understanding... I wish there were better solutions to STIs. Prophylactics, like PrEP for gonorrhea/chlamydia would be a game-changer. Ah well, whatever.

Edit: I have a poor habit of forgetting to make a point until I edit my posts. The point I meant to bring up was that people just need to be honest and communicative. Catching an STD is, in most cases, just like catching a cold. It's hard for you to pick up whether you have it until you're already presenting symptoms, and there's no way you'd purposefully catch the STD, so you just have to assume that other people are also like that and that if they spread it to you that it wasn't in malice, but from being unaware.

unfortunately a frequent poster bragged in the Spa about not warning the masseurs and he's about to cum during the "happy ending" because he learned most wouldn't do it... I hope one day a masseurs spits it in his face!

This would be a huge turn-off. In the past when it's been a "surprise" (seriously, how do you orgasm and not make noises?!) it causes me to sputter/choke/gag.

I have to be in the right headspace to swallow.

I don't swallow for most. I kinda need someone to push things into a Dom/sub space.

I dunno. ?‍♂️

Edit: If you want me to swallow, take control of the situation. Make me swallow.

I think the onus is on the employed to determine where they will and will not labor for their money, regardless of whether they are destitute or not.

To suggest that sex work is exploitative by nature on a board dedicated to the act is ... willfully ignorant? Not in good taste?

Exploiting people by driving them to do anything when they would not otherwise do it is offensive. Sex work, by necessity, should be done only by the willing. Anything otherwise is a form of rape. The people being discussed at length don't meet my criteria for "coercion". They enter into the bargain willingly when other avenues exist. And as discussed in points across the thread, there's no way for you to verify "how" coerced they are in the matter. You don't live inside their head. The only thing you can do is enter honestly into the agreement.

This has been discussed in many previous threads. Short answer = “no”. You’re not protected by asking, and it’s not considered entrapment.

Shout it from the rooftops! Hearing this repeated kills me. Cops are 100% allowed to lie in the pursuit of their duties. How else would they stay "undercover"?

Video game designer. My very first passion. I would love to be in charge of a team with a big ol' budget to realize this one game idea I've had and improved upon since I was a child.

- Some people just aren’t wired to cum from bottoming. Just like some people get really turned on from nip play and can actually cum from that and others hate their nipples played with. So it could be physical and there is nothing much he can do about that as far as I know. It could also be a mental thing. That he wants to orgasm while being fucked so very much that it’s always a thought in his head. Which, ultimately makes it an impediment to it happening.

I've had several experiences where I could feel that I was REALLY close to getting off, but with a dick in me, it just doesn't happen. Interestingly, it's almost better if the top is just playing with my asshole itself, and not penetrating. That seems to be the most successful when another person is involved and I'm the bottom.

As a top, I can usually get off fine. Sometimes the anatomy of the bottom just doesn't jive with my dick and I have to finish myself manually, but it's infrequent.

I've found that my orgasms are at least 50% mental. I have a little fantasy that I play out in my head when I want to 'focus on me' and orgasm.

Still chasing after that hands-free orgasm. At this time, I've been the cause of more than a dozen, but never had one myself. /lament

Your legs and/or arms don't just get the tingly I am dead asleep feeling? Never really heard an erotic groaning sound from s body part filling sleep.

If you're being bound and a significant portion of your body (an arm, a leg, your hand) falls asleep - STOP NOW. Untie the harmed part and make sure blood flow is restored before moving on. It takes roughly 10 minutes of lack of circulation for cells to start dying en masse - definitely not enough time to finish whatever fun you want to have and take everything off.

What I'm talking about is the restriction of blood to an area. You have a bunch of blood vessels, capillaries mostly, that carry blood around. They're hard to see, on, say, your arm, but easier to see on the shaft of your dick. Ropes pressing against the skin using even modest pressure will stop those capillaries from delivering blood to surrounding areas and restrict blood flow, but your arteries and veins should still be able to deliver the blood they carry to and from the heart. Places where blood flow is restricted become colder, respond poorly to stimuli, etc. This pretty much always happens on skin, though holding a joint in a difficult position for a long time can cause the same kind of pain and difficulties. Once the ropes are removed, blood rushes back to these areas with stagnant blood in them, and some of the blood vessels have shrank due to poor blood flow.

This all combines to cause a symphony of discomfort, especially if you rush it. I've learned that the best way is to force my body to hold the same position I'm in when I'm relaxed against the ropes. Typically, my shoulders are further back as my hands are bound behind my back. When the ropes are removed, I hold my shoulders in that position. There's a bit of discomfort as blood comes back, and then I need to work on the compromised joint as it has been immobile or supporting weight in an odd way. Simply relaxing into a 'comfortable' position feels like it causes additional stress and pain by asking these places like skin and joints to work like normal, despite depriving them of precious resources in the blood (like oxygen).

That is definitely the most I've ever used the word "blood" in one sitting...

Now that I am not creeped out I like his moaning here:

 

Having been tied up dozens of times, I know that feeling of pain-as-blood-returns-to-an-area that he's "ooh-ahh'ing" through. Something about it nice though, or I wouldn't keep coming back.

Really? The only time I get embarrassed is when I feel like I should be talking dirty(which I have no skill for), cursing, or saying oh yeah. Then I get really annoyed when I have to respond or listen to them talk. Then there is a point where my body starts shivering and is followed by sound effects that I don't feel embarrassed about and you can say anything an I wouldn't care but to get to that point is much harder for me so usually I am quiet.

Yeah, my legs start shaking when I get close to cumming. The noises I make then are definitely more guttural. I always thought they were growl-y, but a couple of people pointed out that they're more "dog-y" and that's how I got into puppy play. ? ?

Wise words!

 

Have you tried to disable contact by instant messenger?

There does not appear to be any means to opt out of using the RM Messenger feature.

I'm honestly just flabbergasted that such an easy process that virtually all other apps have mastered (sending push notifications) is actually impossible for this app. If it could do that reliably, I'd have very few complaints. As it stands, I'm frustrated every time I see that green chat bubble light up with numbers under it. Yet more people I need to shepherd away from the IM feature.

I'm quite a verbal top when the bottom gets me into the mood, but I cannot help myself but moan and growl and grunt when I'm getting fucked. I've started filming myself as part of developing content for my OnlyFans and sometimes I can't help but cover my face when I get to moaning.

I've found that it's pretty much embarrassing to the person who does the moaning, but other people, especially the person's sex partner tend to get way into it.

I'm surprised I hadn't commented here. Just wanted to toss in my experience: That app is garbage and no matter what configuration I use, it never sends notifications to my phone, so I'm always telling people (which is included in my ad) to text me don't use the RM messenger.

It's terrible. Even if it weren't terrible, I still wouldn't use it as I have no guarantee that the messages aren't stored on a server somewhere waiting to be turned over due to legal requirements. At least if I'm using SMS it's only my carrier and the client, and if I'm using WhatsApp (or your preference of really secure messaging apps), it's end-to-end encryption so only me and the client can read them.

PLEASE do not use the RM messenger unless you feel you absolutely have to.

Yes, both Chlamydia and Gonorrhea are localized. Therefore, I suspect that his disclosure was to say that you should not top him, particularly not bareback. But if he really only had it rectally, then he could top you and would not transmit to you, or you could have oral sex with each other and not be at risk.

 

It is a good point to make regarding going for testing. If your doctor does not know you well or know your types of sexual contact, many doctors would generally only test a guy by a urine test, and not a throat swab or rectal swab. If you are not comfortable asking for those tests from your own doctor, consider going to public/annonymous testing sites.

Echoing this. Gonorrha and chlamydia are specific to the hole the bacteria have infected. I just want to be doubly clear: you need to get all the holes you use tested for all the STDs (edit: limited to localized infections, like gonorrhea, chlamydia, trichomoniasis, etc.). I had a doctor (a friggin' doctor!) argue with me once that my throat/anal swabs were unnecessary because if I had anything it would come up on the UA.

Excuse me -- how would bacteria in my throat find themselves all the way down in my urethra? Same question for anal bacteria. People, man.

As a former exclusive top, I’ll add my two cents. I also found it extremely painful to bottom. It took a long time to enjoy it. Start with someone who will take time and enter just a bit of his dick slowly then exit. Keep doing that until you’re ready to accommodate more of his cock. Keep practicing and eventually it will become less painful and more enjoyable.

As I mentioned, it’s best to try it with a caring partner and not a trick or hookup who won’t care and just wants to get off

I can now say I’m truly versatile and love both top and bottom

This was exactly my experience. I was a top only, until I started getting into relationships and/or got pressured to bottom. Absolutely never enjoyed it. It wasn't until I hooked up with a good friend that stopped and took the time to make sure I was enjoying it. He coached me through the whole (hole, hehe) process, and it opened my eyes to how much fun bottoming can be.

Now I'm pretty versatile and enjoy the fun times that come with being willing to take on either role.

When I first got into the business, I had a bunch of acquaintances judge me when they found out. I dropped those people, and ended up making friends among other providers. I eventually found other people (mostly younger than me) in my third place that I befriended. To the last man, not a single one of them bats an eyelash at my side hustle.

I think it's a generational thing.

I did once have a single member of the new friend group bring me aside and explain to me that he saw me as more than just a sex worker. I appreciated where his heart was at, but I can't imagine him having the same conversation with an accountant, or a bartender, etc. ?‍♂️

The opt out process is almost always hidden in the very bottom of the page, usually in a different font from the rest of the page. I can't find a simple way to link to an image I snipped (can't paste photos in, they have to be hyperlinked), but it's usually something like Remove My Info, or in this case it was "Do Not Sell My Personal Information".

Hmmmm. I wonder how one gets removed, if possibl, from the list?

https://www.usphonebook.com/opt-out

Seems pretty straightforward.

If you're interested in removing yourself from this site I would advise you to do a google search on "best people finder sites" and use it like a grocery list for all the sites you need to visit and figure out how to opt out of them using your information. They all pull from public records, but are also required to remove your information if you ask for it. Some have a small fee. As a person who practices in the field of IT security, I would say that their fee is worth it if it makes it that much harder for an actor to gain information about you.

Don't try and tackle the project over a single day. Give it a week or a month. Some of them are convoluted and require a lot more effort. Set a reminder for about a month later, then Google yourself, see where your name pops up and backtrack to the data source and opt out of that one. Reiterate until your information isn't sitting out on the internet for everyone and their mom to steal/use.

Glad to see that my work a year or two ago to remove myself from all the peoplefinder-type sites was successful. No returns on either of my numbers, though I put in a friends and it returned his information accurately. Mm, spooky.