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yeah I think the most judgmental ness comes from the attractive business age/career types in early-mid 30s (like me) It’s almost like guys of this age seem like, once you get to a certain age/point, you’re supposed to have your shit together and “be career minded”, not out “turning tricks”. lately I’ve not come across it much because I have started to be open to friendships with clients more so than the routine scene queens. But, I know the best way to avoid the conversation is to always pretend everything is perfect, thus avoiding any, “maybe it’s time to...” But at the end of the day, I think it also goes to show that there’s people who judge us (escorts) and them (clients) for the same reasons. Why judge each other.

You’d be surprised. Some of the more judgmental guys I’ve met, were rather attractive types.

Oh Gawd, here you go again starting shit you were not invited to reply to ??‍♂️ For your information, I absolutely have no reason to be contradictory. I don’t hire other escorts. That’s what I said. What you’re talking about assumes I am actually contacting and suggesting plans with escorts (like some flake clients do), versus me just flat out saying without shame: I know I don’t have the discretionary funds to hire an escort, nor do I wish to imagine I do. Therefore you would never catch me going around making calls to do so. Unless it was for the mutual purpose of creating content which could help either earn additional funding/clients. Which is a new way working guys are connecting...versus just trying to get a free session off of someone just because “we’re both plumbers, so we should work each other’s pipes and plumbing”. That’s a lot different than a client flaking out and having an emergency for a planned, paid arrangement, not reimbursing for hotel or travel cost or lost earnings, and then having it be a recurring event. Especially when they contacted me and initiated the encounter to begin with. Get your shit straight ✋?

same here. I used to sit around and argue and explain and let them know I was fine. But now I’m quick to just say, let’s just end it here... And if I’m entertaining him as a guest:

The new trend lately: we can be open to meet other escorts for content creating for private video sites. I haven’t hired before, because one I don’t have the discretionary income (imagine that I pay my ideal escort $300, then have an emergency I hadn’t saved for, 2 weeks later) But I’m also just a naturally do it myself kinda person. I detail my car, carry my own bags up, and I usually prefer getting to know someone instead of hookups in my personal lifestyle.

Next to non. Someone may be attractive and charming, but considering they contacted a pro...the paying part is all part of the experience. It’s like, a person could stay at home and drink for free, but they may want to still prefer to tip a bartender on top of the already inflated price of the alcohol. It’s all part of the experience. Sure a free shot here and there is nice but... they won’t make any money passing out free drinks ‘all’ night

Customer relations specialist:

or even the website itself...hence another rentboy shutdown, which can once again ruin business for already struggling sex workers ? But really the main problem: Instagram and Facebook. People always posting themselves on Instagram with 100,000 followers, how does anyone even know who all these people are. There are plenty catfish ? in the sea that’s for sure Whoa whoa now lol. I met him at a bar in DC few years ago. I seen him, at Nellies, surrounded by his “clique”. I got to know the clique, and then by the end of the night the party moved to the “ethnic” bar of Fireplace. Got his number. Funny thing, we didn’t hookup that trip because he’s not “W******” like that, but on my next visit down the line, we linked up. Those pics aren't necessarily best representation though. But the audacity of the person to spend on a gold ad at that. I could barely even afford a gold ad last month myself (I've paid $150 for ads before the month was out, and haven't had 1 person since, though I do have 1 booked for tomorrow). Let alone someone chancing paying $80 to use fake pics and not be reported.

Mask or no mask, all I know is biz is being seriously affected. It was already slow before the pandemic (missing websites, hookup apps etc), this just puts the nail in the coffin. Since I been back home from short tour last Saturday, haven’t had any bookings. Barely even an inquiry. Most weeks, I get one time where I see 1 or 2 in a day, the rest I’m going 5 days not making a dime. And all those dead days make the money go so fast when I get it. Most days don’t even know what to do or where to turn. Even one of my regular client told me he’s not able to do anything anymore because his IRA has been in decline. I’m just about ready to leave. Maybe just get out of the Midwest to start. I have no hopes of finding a suitable new job right now. And unemployment had the nerve to say my cut wasn’t due to COVID-19. If I show them all the texts I’ve gotten about “probably need to wait til this virus is over” shit, then maybe they’ll believe.

This just goes to show how fictitious some of these RentMen ads are, and also why they could stand to come up with some extra ways to verify ads, because that affects us as escorts as well as the client pool. I was browsing thru San Jose Ads, for a potential Travel visit. And came across this ad: https://rentmen.eu/Prettyboyromee This is a guy I’ve known for years and dated/hooked up with in Washington DC. I texted my friend like, I didn’t know you were an escort in San Jose??? Lol. Not to mention all the stats were off. Height, weight, dick size and all. Edit: point is that’s not him posting, and I confirmed that he’s definitely not in California lol. He didn’t even know what RentMen was ??‍♂️ He actually had a good laugh off of it though. But stuff like this just not right because, guys use these peoples picture and give us all a bad name. I had a session with a client, and he called a guy advertising on both rentmen and Grindr, as a tatted up ripped guy. Dude shows up and takes off his clothes, it’s nothing like the pics. Client went thru with it anyway, but that’s just such a cheap shot. And talking with the guy afterward, he claimed to have been in the biz for a couple years, and had traveled all over.

Did I allude that I wasn't taking it to heart? I agree in the same. The only concern I have, is how many visitors could end up blocked off in the long run. In my current area, I've got so many numbers blocked, that I almost wonder if I've closed off most of the hiring pool here. I mean, when it boils down to it..it often seems to be the same guys are using the sites and they probably contact escorts in rounds. So it gets more complicated than just "no". Do I be the forgiving and unbothered escort that just let's people change their minds or "have stuff come up" at random, despite me expecting that a session is taking place. And just roll with it, knowing that if they booked me once, maybe they'll come around and book me 3-4 months later? Or do I take notes, and possibly end up letting other escorts get booked by these guys on the days they decide to actually go forward with a session? I seen a guy traveling thru here this week, and we've often ended up in the same markets before. I'm thinking to myself, either he must be very dead here, or some of my blocked contacts are booking him. Because I'm looking at my past hotel trip itinerary, last time I booked a place to host an appointment was around August 8th for 1 day. That's in between traveling from other cities, but still. It's just sad. That a city can be so dead and there's nothing you can do about it because, everytime a text comes thru it's just another mother fucker on some bullshit. I'd be hard pressed to believe, he got more than 1 or 2 clients here. If that.

I wish more people had this mindset. The other week I got so frustrated, because some of these guys cancel, or flake, or don’t say anything about something came up, until I send my cancellation request. Then they want to sit and argue with me over some shit that they contacted me to arrange to begin with. If someone going to give the expectation of being paid, it’s just a real dick move to leave them hanging. It probably wouldn’t bother me as much if I had bookings coming left and right throughout the week. Not to mention, I just paid $150 for 3 ads since last week, and with the exception of my regulars who were already in my contacts and some inquiries in other cities, I haven’t made a single penny back. Might as well just use Twitter to advertise for free. That’s what makes it harder to keep a level head. I pay all this money for ads, only to have my time wasted or phone dead. I think going forward, I’m sticking to basic ads and keeping my ad budget to under $100 a month unless I plan to be in a big market. This is a travesty.

Count your blessings and be grateful of your position. Some of us have left the workforce all together, and now trying to figure out whether to go back or keep on grinding. Even worse, trying to get back into it after so many years, is nothing short of a mirage. At the same time, as I’ve said before...I am not on hiatus (even though I’ve let my Rentmen ad go, but that’s more because it’s been dead and a waste of time in my area. I’m also timing it so I don’t have to renew again before Halloween). I don’t have any reason to let the virus hinder my continuing in the business. Even periodic shutdowns and cases rising have no bearing on my decision. I’m just glad the majority of the same clients who were in touch with me last year, still in contact this year. Of course even my decisions can’t override trends and what’s actually going on. I’m not on hiatus but I still feel a void many days. ?

that’s why it’s a good idea to try and meet guys with either RentMen videos or Justforfans obviosuly that’s not guarantee of chemistry, but it’s still a good way to get some sort of visual. I understand not wasting time or energy, but in the case of @RyanChambers, I woulda made a point about a cancellation fee. And the ones who don’t want to do it, get an honorable mention on social media. But at the same time, it’s also why I’ve just become 100% deposit based. I decided awhile back I don’t even want to take appointments in advance without a deposit. The only time I may let it slide, is if someone is wanting to meet within an hour or 2, and THEY can host (versus me hosting and they don’t show up). But even over Labor Day I had a client send a deposit, and tried to cancel within minutes of me getting off his exit. ??‍♂️ I called him like, dude...it’s Labor Day Monday. Traffic was backed up every few miles. So he ended up keeping it. I think had I not requested the deposit, he might of blocked me. But who knows, he probably was stood up by other providers in the past.

??‍♂️ atypical. “Something came up” and then using Covid as a convenient backdrop. And what you’re saying is not a “complaint” like some seem lead to believe. It’s a valid concern that needs call for change. I wrote RentMen the other day, about similar description as yours...and only got “we will forward your concern to the RentMen webmaster” or something along those lines. Which at least is a response, and I feel they are acknowledging: but they need to take the route that Men4Rent took: Allowing registered providers to privately “review” clients, and have a search function to do so. That atleast helps create an accessible list for advertisers, despite some providers having their own private blacklist. I have a loooooong list of blocked numbers in my phone. Ironically, many start with 816/913 (Kansas Shitty...In the top 10 for time wasters per capita, and I feel bad for traveling escorts who come thinking they’re going to make much of anything), 407/813 (Tampon/PoorLando), 612 (For some strange reason, lots of Timewaster’s come from visiting Minnesotans despite the city itself being okay to work from). I also have 4 numbers from Palm Springs as “Palm Springs Timewaster”. Denver is also among the top 10. But see, this is exactly why too, I’m going to start to renewing my efforts in the bar game. I had a client I met at the bar the other day, and he seemed like he didn’t want to do it (and rightfully said so), but he didn’t walk away and I was just enjoying the drinks that kept coming anyway. $250 later, I was up in the hotel room. Problem with the internet and RentMen, #1 it’s too many options, and #2 it’s too easy to play around and be anonymous. I mean, picking clients from gay bars isn’t necessarily an easy feat, and for me I have to keep myself busy with a drink... so it’s not something I can do every night or even every week. But the online escort game is becoming lonely, frustrating, and diminishing returns. I only had to spend $3 on 1 drink last week, to pick up a client. RentMen: spend $80, let 4 guys waste your time before getting maybe 1 or 2 clients in 2 weeks ?

I just came back from a 4 day rendezvous in the Midwest. Short trip, but still involved some travel. There are some places in the Midwest that have very loose restrictions, others are very tight (St. Louis for example). Going into October, I’m ready to hit the ground running ? ? ??? Definitely going to up the travel game. I have no choice because my 2 home locations have become devoid. Hoping to get it in before the week of Halloween, which can tend to be kinda slow the week of, especially now that Halloween is on a Saturday this year. Only concern, I’m also seeing other escorts traveling as well...and some seem to keep ending up in the same markets that I am in. So with that, I have to try and make sure I’m not in the same city at the same times. I know that sounds petty, but in certain small markets...having more than 1 traveling escort/masseur in town tends to lessen the chances of being able to stand out.

Thanks Tyger ? for your very insightful evaluation (even though this thread is several months old, it still bears keeping it in consideration) Even though I do support the RentM enterprise, I have shared some thoughts with them as well. I am appreciative that they have allowed more than 250 characters at the time of this post. I can understand the benefits of having different tier levels of memberships, but I do feel the same that they are consensually raping us to a degree. And I say consensual because we are paying for the advertising, however I’ve suggested to them before that they are pocketing far more than we are in the long run. And they should be allowing us to use our private pics and video views to “pay” for the ads...essentially letting clients pay for our ads. Not us paying $80-$100, then having our time wasted by 2 or 3 clowns before finally getting 1 serious person. Make THEM pay for our advertising. Directly. Not out of our earnings. Lately I’ve just stuck with the Gold ads and have not done a platinum boost in idk how long. I wasn’t really finding it helping much, and in small or crowded markets, you can pay for platinum multiple times, and still not get any bookings from it immediately. I have also told Rentmen that, with the current pandemic, I’m getting half the serious clients, yet paying double the price...that I was 2 years ago. I feel a gold ad should be restructured to $39.99 or maybe even $49.99 with a recurring membership like RentMasseur, not $79. And like Tyger said, our “other“ overheads are endless. Last week was car insurance, this week is tag registration and inspection plus new brakes (I’ve logged over 2,500 miles in September traveling for appointments, because my current market is nearly unsustainable) Last thing I need, is more advertising costs on my coat tails.

I would, but I would include my usual: send deposit towards the donation, to confirm the session.

And I read it and replied to them accordingly. However others have also chimed in. Never said it was complicated, but there's more than 1 viewpoint. Like I said, if you can't handle the discussion, you're free to leave and read the other 100,000 threads.

My question is; why are you still here? If you don’t like reading what I’m saying, there’s 100,000 other threads going back to 2003 that you can read. You ain’t gotta be all up in here. Now you’re just being a bully. And you need to stop lying to the forum talking about you seeing a shrink and on meds, because if you was you’d be more focused on minding your own, instead of worrying about mine ✋? Why don’t you start with writing your own thread, before suggesting me to write a book, and leave. Please ??‍♂️ Other people want to give advice, and you’re being an incinerator.

Well, pat yourself on the back. Maybe your shrink can advise you to be less condescending, especially when it comes to issues that you don’t even have direct experience dealing with. Well as of lately, I’ve not been giving anyone who flakes a 2nd chance. I’ve already cut 2 previously met clients over the past week. One of who was a regular regular, but I’ve previously had issues with him before so it wasn’t hard to let him know: don’t contact me again. I’ve also blocked 2 additional people last week as well. It’s pretty clear, 2020 has been the year that I’ve had to drop and burn bridges with more clients than any other year. I just don’t have the tolerance for people who make a concerted interest in an appointment, then back out. The pandemic is indirectly affecting people’s mindframes in other ways.

Likewise...I said what I said. You disagreeing doesn’t change that nor my opinion either. I think you and I have a lot more in common than it seems. Everything you say, I agree with in the same as it pertains to you.

Well your response is “emblematic” of someone who can’t relate to what a sex worker is experiencing. But why should I be surprised ? . I don’t have to read Lucky’s post with any iota of charity. Soon as he said “good business man” and tried to define it by someone who doesn’t “complain” on a forum, he lost all bits of charity with me. He basically negated an epidemic issue, and confined it to a mere “complaint”. Therefore he gets no charity from me. He can go to the Red Cross ? if he wants charity. Agree or disagree, but don’t put me down and then brandish it as being supportive. What I talked about In this post is THE REALITY. If it comes off unhappy, jerky or arrogant...that’s unfortunate that you allow yourself to perceive it that way, but it says more about you than it does about me. Because I’m not intending to come off that way, I’m intending to create an understanding. That is true. One client did say that. However, I couldn’t really vibe with that because he had contacted me a couple times prior saying he was “so anxious” for me to get back to town, and if/when was I coming. Then the day of planning, he flaked and didn’t bother showing up once I arrived. I think he more so wanted a steep discount, but used Covid as an excuse. It’s no secret that guys use being sick to get out of things, and Covid just gives them 1 more excuse to make up. I know that’s not the case for every Covid cancellation, but all in all it has been a large part. Because it’s not your place to order me what to do. That’s why. You can offer advice and opinions without being condescending. You can read up above as to why, if you need more clarity.

New information: Seems to show getting a flu shot now might be getting it too early. So who’s the idiot now ? I also find it ironic that they threw in “conspiracy theories”. Why it gotta be conspiracy theories? Can they just say, “and be sure to talk to your administrating physician about any concerns you may have about the flu virus and whether it’s right for you”. Instead, it’s almost like they say, “if you don’t want to get a flu shot, you’re buying into conspiracy theories”. And that automatically puts anyone who doesn’t get or have one as buying into conspiracies. There is a neutral ground in it all.

Or better yet: hopefully “it” just burns itself out like SARS did back in the earlier 2000s. Going back to the flu thread, there’s still no guarantee that a vaccine won’t make a person ill. But...I know this is Oliver’s thread so I won’t make it a debate ?