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@Oliver I feel you 100%. And now that you say it, I kinda have to admit I’ve been resentful in a way about it as well. But at the end of the day it’s like, what can we do. Here we all are, made it to 2020 (considering back in the 80s and 90s, Hollywood swore we would be in flying cars, meeting aliens, and traveling thru space like the Jetsons lol). Sometimes it’s those little things that seem so surreal. Even though scientists seem to point that this isn’t some type of biological warfare, I still compare Covid to 9/11. Mainly because 9/11 changed (and inconvenienced) so many things over the years. But then we were able to accept it, and ultimately become a safer society. I don’t know where corona will take us (I have to chuckle and wonder how stores will go from “mask required for entry” to “No masks allowed” come Halloween), but I’m sure it’ll pass and eventually create a new and better normal.

Just spoke with my favorite client today about this topic. I asked if he had been well and whether he is getting the flu shot. He told me he took the flu shot before, and got really sick. He’s not quite 30 years old I think. He told me he would not be getting one again. He said the doc explained to him, sometimes your immune system can handle the shot, but it’s no guarantee you won’t still get the ? He certainly wasn’t convinced to keep doing it. So when Covid comes out with a vaccine, I’m going to do my research. And aren’t we still waiting for the syphilis vaccine? If somebody going to inject me with syphilis, and Covid...atleast buy me a drink first and start off with some foreplay ? I also reached out to another friend who tested poz for Covid the other week. I was afraid he might be in ICU because I hadn’t heard from him in a few days. He just texted me and said he’s working a wedding and feeling better. So yeah, let’s stop with the scare tactics and focus on the facts. And FYI, this thread is not groundbreaking news. It’s the same information readily available on any news channel anyway. Hell, Walmart is offering flu shots. Maybe McDonald’s is offering flu shots. Free flu shot with purchase of a Big Mac ? Flu shots are everywhere. It does no good using frightening tactics to convince someone to get something that’s really a matter of personal choice.

Nobody in their right mind, that’s for sure. But many Americans don’t operate in their right mind. But I’ve come across guys who have addressed me in such a manner. It hasn’t happened lately, because over the years so many gay guys have started becoming “RentMen”, but there’s still a stigma amongst the elitist gay cliques about sex work, especially when a minority does it. That’s sad but I can almost imagine it’s true. It’s ironic how the George Floyd Minneapolis and Kenosha events in Wisconsin caused such a huge uprising. You’d think stuff like that would happen in the south (and I’m sure it happens all the time in the south). But it goes to show: these Canadian bordered states can just as easily be as hell bent on disenfranchising minorities as your most KKK southern states, in some ways. And I know about Wisconsin and Minneapolis. I’ve found both places when dealing with police, highly discriminatory to say the least. And truth be told: I believe the Derek Chauvin mother fucker actually pulled me over once. I ordered some records from the Hennepin County Courts, I just need to call and find out if the badge number from 5 years ago matches his name. If so, I want to be a part of this class action lawsuit ?? But back on topic....

Well considering I just made $700 within 24 hours yesterday; and only seen 2 clients, let me be the judge as to whether I want to get into another line of work or not. You need to stay in your lane. If you want me so badly to get into another line of work, find it for me, rewrite my resume, and then pay me during the transitional period. If you can't do all the legwork, I suggest you not make suggestions you can't backup. And don't tell me what a good businessman does or doesn't do. There's been many good businessmen who abuse their spouses, take drugs, and/or have all kinds of neurotic personality issues. You don't even know the half, so don't even try to patronize me with what makes a good businessman. If I want to talk about something, I'm going to talk about it regardless if it's catering to your comfort zone or idea of what a sexworker should or shouldn't be. You got a lot of nerve. Go sit down.

@thedanNYC , have a chill pill ? Or should I say, a chill ? shot ??‍♂️ When I said you didn’t quote it properly, I was referring to you didn’t use the quote function. It wasn’t an accusation, just a mention. For example below: See how I quoted what you said...versus copy/paste? So much easier that way, my friend.

You didn’t properly quote it, but I get what you’re saying. And yes I did say it. I deleted it because I was feeling a certain way at that moment, but now I don’t really care. Why have extra negative ratings on my charts for discussions that’s just not relevant at all ??‍♂️ Sure one could argue: we as sex workers/clients who have sex with multiple partners should be getting flu shots to protect others. But the doctor would say: “dude, just wear a condom if you want to protect others”. Imagine if I said to my doctor: I get my flu shot, does that mean I am doing the right thing and can comfortably have sex with multiple partners without fear of giving them anything, since I am all about protecting others? He/She would laugh and be like, a flu vaccine only goes so far. Protecting others and ourselves goes so much further than a flu vaccine. I try to give a different view, but the message is lost if everyone is consistent on choosing 1 viewpoint over others. Thankyou for appreciating my point of view. But I still say, asking people to take the flu shot is still giving medical advice. Which is a decision best to be made in a doctors office, not an internet forum. The better thing to say is, “Consult your doctor about how to best protect yourself against the flu and/or Covid 19”. I know that takes more lines than “Get your flu shot”, but it avoids some of the arguments that have occurred so far, on what could have been just be an innocent, feel good, stay healthy thread. But then when everyone seems to think getting an injection is the only way to protect yourself, that’s when the doors open to multiple opinions. And disagreements.

Continued from above: Making the choice to get a flu shot is your choice – not the government’s or your insurance company, and it should be based on your doctor’s input following a proper history and exam, and considering your risk of infection and potential exposure to infected individuals. No one should be required – forced – to have a flu shot (something that is being done with health care workers in New York). I said man AND lady ? Let’s be clear. That was meant to be a metaphor, not actual facts. The metaphor being: the old man and lady I referred to represent a bigger picture: those who don’t have access to health insurance for even basic and routine medical issues for pre-existing conditions. I know it didn’t sound like that, but I forget many people on the forum take things at face value. Versus reading between the lines. I do however live right next door to an actual older couple, I usually wear masks around them out of politeness, but they often look at me weird and I’ve never seen them wear a mask, ever. It’s really nothing more to argue about though.

That’s unfortunate to hear. But, it seems this thread was simply about getting or not getting a flu shot. Covid is Covid, a flu shot is not the same. It seems the idea is to push the flu shot, because Covid is so bad. But based on the story you told me, it doesn’t seem that it would matter one way or the other, considering it’s bad by itself. On the opposite end of the spectrum, I don’t know anyone who’s been in the ICU from Covid. Is there anything wrong with that revelation? Can a person say, “I know this is a bad thing, but I just don’t know anyone personally who’s passed or been hospitalized from this”. I was starting to worry about a client I’ve not heard from in awhile, wondering if perhaps COVID had got to him. Turns out he was just in Alaska hunting. Here’s an article from 2015 I found, and as you can see it sounds like the same story in 2020. Maybe when someone else says it, people will think different. Since obviously somebody thinks I’m a big idiot for reading on differing recommendations: https://philmaffetone.com/flu-shots/ A flu shot does not make you healthy. Too many people are confused about this issue. It provides you with artificial immunity. Even if this protects you against a particular strain of flu, there may be another 200 viruses out there during any given flu season which you won’t be protected against. A flu shot, however, can sometimes hurt a healthy immune system. This occurs when mercury-based chemical preservatives are used in the vaccine. If you are at high risk, have poor immune function and don’t have natural immunity, a vaccine against a particular virus might be a consideration because it would at least provide you with artificial immunity. But that’s assuming the theory that artificial immunity against the flu means you’re more protected. All the experts don’t agree on this notion.

Okay Mr. I shouldn’t an opinion. Since you think I’m such an idiot: let’s go beyond this conversation, and take it further. I don’t know you, but let’s compare each other’s real life health side by side, and see who’s healthier overall...versus basing it on a post about a flu shot. It’s comments like that, which are why people can’t ever think for themselves or ever question anything doctors push for them. Oftentimes due to the shame by others. A regular client of mine yesterday was telling me about a family member of his, who now has both hands and feet amputated, due to blood pressure medications she was placed on while in a coma, that resulted from kidney stones blocking her urethra. That’s why the word, “medical malpractice” exists. All I’m saying: The flu shot very well does offer protections, but it’s not 100% that you’ll get protected, and it’s also a lot of stuff in it that they don’t tell you. That’s facts. Regardless if you don’t want to hear it. What’s wrong with being in the know about what’s in a product, and deciding for yourself whether you want it or not? I used to have another client I knew from Denver, he told me verbatim: “every year I get the flu shot, and still end up getting the flu”.

True. I won’t lie and say I’ve seen some guys with the same pics as their avatar for the past 5 years. Even if they look better than the pics, it’s still not going to justice. I’m all about candid photos...in the ad. But as a front page, especially how rentmen has it laid out with multiple guys on the front page...it looks cheap and tacky. And I have felt RentMen clients have treated us far less seriously than RentBoy clients used to. Back when I got a call from rentboy, I would feel a heartthrob, knowing I’d have to get ready to meet an important client. With RentMen, I’m just like: I hope it’s not another Timewaster AGAIN, for the 5th time this week. That’s why I’ve just let my ad temporarily expire. Once I get ready to head to a bigger market I’ll sign back up, but as of yesterday: I found a new client just sitting at a gay bar having a drink and passing out my business card. So, I’m willing to wean myself off of RentMen if push comes to shove. At this point, I’m prepared if the internet escort game slows any further than it already is. I’ve got a stack of 500 business cards, and already be having gay and “questionable” married guys hitting on me left and right ??‍♂️

Yes, you are in the twilight zone. Because I’ve already addressed the subject, and you’re bringing it up in a completely unrelated thread. Goodbye ?? Thanks. honestly, I’ve come to an epiphany: After a week of back to back meditational sex (often included sex 2-3 times a day with different or the same guys), I’ve come to realize (We) men are just simple creatures. I’ve come to realize many men can’t think or plan much further beyond what their dick or ass tells them to do. I find myself feeling that way sometimes, and its just biological factors at play. I’ve finally come to understand and am now going to no longer be bothered by these things. I’m still going to go about deposits before making any big moves or plans with guys, but I’ve decided to no longer get upset with any who just happen to want to fantasize about sex and not actually do it. I also decided that a couple of regulars who have flaked on me recently, I don’t want to give them second chances...not because they flake, but because they weren’t seeing me often enough anyway. Some of these guys get surprised when I burn bridges but it’s like: “you haven’t contacted me in 6 months, then you come around to see about linking up, then flake.” It’s like...no. I’m not some backup, sidekick, HMU when you bored kind of dude. If they can’t be bothered to reach out on atleast a somewhat routine basis, and then flake during the OFF chance they contact me...goodbye. And that’s what I told one guy last week. Don’t contact me again. He’s been giving me the same excuses about his sick parents for the past 2 years. It gets to a point like: if you know you can’t meet, then why the FU ? are you discussing making appointments with me ??‍♂️

This is why couple years ago, I decided to commit to more than 1 rate for my sessions. Full on fucking versus a 10 minute sucky suck isn’t always going to equate to $250. Obviously everyone’s pricing is not going to be the same, but I also put on RentMass my lowest price, but also include the other sessions I offer upfront. So they know: my rate is not $150. That’s just 1 of the sessions, and the only option rentmass gives. I’ve had guys start with $150 on the first visit, and then they end up Being open to giving $700 on the 2nd visit. It just happens. Sometimes you just have to Start small. The Bible ? says: despise not small beginnings. The escort bible says; despise not happy endings ??‍♂️.

With talks about social injustice and race being more frequent, I couldn’t help but wonder myself. Sometimes I wonder if the way the Black community is portrayed and stigmatized, has a direct affect on how things in the hired gay sex community may differ between a White escort and a Black escort. A common scene in many American cities (especially disenfranchised or towns of great wealth disparity in Midwest and south), you go to an inner city area. Oftentimes you’ll see a person of color (or Black, to be more specific) in a seemingly down on their luck position, holding a sign. I also overheard today, in Kansas City (a town in my opinion is Sadly stereotypical and eagerly segregate themselves in the process) what sounded like a heated outdoor argument at a nearby car wash. Of course, it had to be with Black congregating ??‍♂️ Then you have the protests. I seen sometimes the comments on articles, about how “Blacks will start looting” and such. With everything going on, I began to wonder if the headaches I deal with some days is a by product of how people stereotype and view the black community. I often get a vibe that when a White guy is escorting or has a sugar daddy, they’re viewed as smart and lucky. Yet when a Black guy does the same thing, they’re viewed as lazy and can’t do nothing better with their lives. Double standards so to speak. Then some of our clients who support us, end up harboring some of the same mindsets, and then no wonder why lately, so many appointments get cancelled, flaked, no shower and no reimbursed. I wish there was an easier way to change it. Sometimes I wonder if clients understand we aren’t all the same. There was a White escort who once asked me, “do you think you deal with more flakes than other people?” And I said, I probably do. I probably do. The same White (or non black) guy my caliber is probably dealing with far less nonsense and tripe than your Black escort of the same caliber. And I think it’s a lot to do with the constant negative connotations put out, whether its being “ghetto” or “poor” or “dangerous”. And I think it has an effect that we may not always be aware of. What’s obvious, a good majority of “our” supporting clients aren’t usually of the same ethnicity. However I did notice on my last trip to DC...I went from having only non black clients, to having a bit more variety. But the overall amount of white clients was noticeably less. Fact or Fiction?

But did i say it was only old ladies? And my bad: I have gotten many shots in my day. Most of the time they say make a fist and expose some veins. But you're right, that's likely for drawing blood, not giving vaccinations. My mistake. I meant that the vaccines are given into a muscle, not a vein. Internally, not intravenously. That said, I'm happy to report I'm still alive and well today (even though some days I feel like wanting to die, but the Lord just keeps saying: not today. You've got more work to do). Like I said, I'm not a doctor or condoning anti vaccing, etc. But until law mandates it; it's still at the end of the day a personal choice. And do we want it mandated by law? Waiting in line like a driver's license office amongst dozens of people, overwhelming the medical system? Probably not. But let's not put down those who choose not to. I'm saying this from personal experience: living with asthma, seeing family die of cancers, having family members work as nurses their whole career, seeing sick people all the time etc, spending lots of times in hospitals and doctors offices. Non of my doctors or hospitals have ever pushed the flu vaccine on me. If I said no, that was the end of the conversation. They do however push prep and HIV protection, in which case I politely smile and say, thanks...But no thanks. I prefer to be vigilant about my sexual health in other ways. As far as protecting others? Last time I checked we're all sex workers and those who hire sex workers. What happened to: "when you have sex with 1 person, you're having sex with everyone they've slept with (usually equally to like the whole world's population when you do the math ?. And let's not pretend like sex with strangers is 100% foolproof

Update: After talking to a few people yesterday and meditating and getting in touch with myself, today i woke up feeling better, and going to try to keep it all in perspective. The past few hours, I've just been working on smiling, and walking away if I feel a person isn't being consistent. And my apologies to @jeezifonly . i know you only want the best for me. I recently signed up to volunteer at a local animal shelter this weekend. Hopefully my asthma doesn't flare up in the cat section, but i guess that's what masks are for ? ?

To me fantasy is the reality though...it just doesn't always mean "let's be together"

I really wasn’t trying to make it an argument. I just gave my side. I was never giving medical advice. Please don’t find stuff to nitpick and argue over. FYI, the antibiotics I had was prescribed to me earlier this year, and it is prescribed for the intended purpose I’m using it for. It’s called having prescriptions on hand, to be filled when I need them. Genius. The reason why there’s antibiotic resistant bacteria has nothing to do with “passing around contradicting information”. That’s about as silly as saying bugs are resistant to certain pesticides, because people keep passing around the wrong information about bugs.

As an addition to this thread: I’ve decided to change the topic a little bit and include: I’ve had 2 more clients this week, formerly good regulars...fail to keep their plans when arranging a visit. One of such, I read thru my RentMasseur account and he twice emailed me last month and this month Along the lines of, “ARE YOU COMING TO TOWN? I’M SO ANXIOUS TO SEE YOU AGAIN. PLEASE LET ME KNOW. This week I FINALLY went ahead and came to town, contacted him prior...he was SOOOOOO excited, but for the 2nd time has pulled the “I’m so worried about COVID, I’ll have to pass” along with having a misunderstanding about how sex work; works, and now we’re done. I wasn’t worried because I took care of one of my other regulars good, and he’s only 28 years old and SHOWED UP no hassle, like he’s supposed to. Without the drama some of these “senior” hirers can’t seem to stop ??‍♂️ But still... This stuff is just becoming tediously petty. I literally feel like I’m babysitting 2 year olds. Yet these guys are nearly twice my age in some cases. Do men experience a 2nd terrible two’s later in life? I ended up canceling all travels right now, and just not going to bother. I’m just tired of putting in the effort, and getting my hopes up for idiots who don’t want to fucking take anything seriously. They text me one thing completely confident of an appointment, but then in their minds don’t believe they actually booked any time with me. I’m just about ready to retire until next year...

Well I actually was “Quasi” hooking back then. I was in high school, 9th grade. I think by the next year, I’d already had guys picking me up from school in Mustangs and Expeditions ? If I knew then what I knew now...I’d of been wearing all the latest shoes and clothes right thru senior year. People try to numb it down, but I still say 9/11 was the big bad “COVID-19” of that era. It irks me when people try to say, “that was NOTHING, COVID 19 is making people wear masks and shutting down schools”. Yes it is, but 9/11 was nothing like we ever seen before. People in Florida were coming to grab their kids out of school, even though it was happening nowhere near us. People thought the U.S. was ending. It made a lot of people scared for a long time. It just had so many implications, from inflation to recession to just general conspiracy theories, etc. Also many people got pushed out of New York and came to Florida. It’s still amazing that New York (or at least manhattan) ever even rebounded from that so well.

interesting, thanks for the clarification. I think the topic actually came up because he was saying he felt like he may have anal cancer, but had hpv vaccine. I haven’t fucked him in awhile, so I’ve not been able to examine his...hole, lately. But he seems to feel like it’s something serious. So he was just saying he hopes it “wasn’t” cancer related.

There’s Nothing I Need You To Help Me Understand PERIOD. The only one who’s acting out of ego is you, because you can’t even be bothered to explain what your referencing of another escort contacting you, who is going thru something financially: has to do with the topic I’m discussing. And? If you were trying to turn the tables and say: “this escort wasted my time by seeming to be interested in me by having conversation, but was only interested in getting paid for services, therefore he wasted my time”...is nonsense. That’s the original dynamic of your arrangement. If you couldn’t afford it, oh well. You said it. He had a choice to make a decision from there. I don’t even know why you’d bring that up to begin with, that’s just mere gossip to me. If you think my issue is ego, then your issue is insecurity. If you think this is ego, I’m flattered because most of my ego is gone dealing with some of the bullshit I’ve dealt with this week. I have set aside my ego more than enough times to take care of my clients. For you to say that, disregards the mere fact being an escort...and how much we do that sacrifices our ego at many times. You seem like someone who is condescending and/or patronizing towards escorts. And that’s just the wrong attitude to have. And I’m definitely not the ☝? for it. Anyhow, I’m about done. I cannot sit here and argue with someone who’s avatar is of a silly smiley face emoji. Depart from thee ?? And FYI, my response is emblematic of nothing but telling “someone” aka @jeezifonly: mind his business, don’t tell me what to do, and don’t make suggestions that you don’t have the clout to insure. To hell with him telling me I have no use but to grab something off a shelf and turn my phone off for 2 weeks when I have 2 cars, 2 phones, and 4 properties that I must maintain. He doesn’t know what he’s talking about, and I refuse to be belittled on this forum by you or him. This is exactly why BLM ✊? is such a topic, because people like you and him don’t think we have anything “Better” to do with our lives.

Okay, I’ll do that long as you pay me for the 2 weeks of lost earnings while my phone is off. Talk is cheap, and when did you gain moderator ??‍⚖️ status?

I’m just still trying to figure out what was the point of the story you previously gave me

on the other end, I don’t get anti vaccers either. If taking something that can give you immunity to an illness, by all means. It’s like those who refuse to get their kids vaccinated. But I also don’t get people who push others to get vaccines that’s not required nor has a definitive guarantee of protection like a Hep A, B or C. I even had a friend tell me that his HPV vaccine doesn’t protect against all forms of the virus. but I understand some people just want to be protected from “everything”. They’ll get the rental companies full coverage insurance, instead of using their own. They’ll get every vaccination that comes out, even if it contains dead babies and monkey brains lol.

My story: last year (pre-Covid in November) I got 1 of the Hep shot vaccinations (mainly b/c I want to eventually get a tattoo and be safe). During the same time, doc asked if I wanted a flu Shot. I said nope! I felt I had already gotten “a virus” earlier last year in April, and since then, hadn’t felt anything similar to it up until last week, where I briefly hovered at 99.3 degrees. I immediately Tylenoled, Robittusin and Antibioticed myself down and laid low. I felt better within 2 days. I don’t plan to get a flu vaccine this year. Not that I don’t believe in it, but simply because it’s not enough guarantee for me to feel like getting one. You also can’t vaccinate a cold or a sinus infection virus, or seasonal allergies/weather changes that just leave me in a congested funk. real life shit I’ve actually had. I have had times I come down with a sore throat so intense, I lose my voice. I usually have to lose work for a week. Doctor says: it’s a virus. I say, is it the flu? Chlamydia or Gonorreah in my throat? They say no. It’s just been “going around”. That’s why I don’t mind this whole mask ? thing. It’s kept other stuff down too. It’s amazing how some people (Not referring to the OP, but just in general) will scold someone to get a Vaccination but will happily chow down on a box of fries that has 1,000 calories, won’t floss or brush their teeth at the end of the night, or hasn’t lifted a weight or ran a mile in years. If all of that is superficial, by all means suggesting someone inject a foreign substance administered by a stranger with the “idea” of keeping safe...seems strange to me. contrary to some posters opinions here, I think it’s only fair to give both sides...without judgment or ridicule: