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Okay I was with you, until you had to come off a little presumptuous in your last 2 sentences. Please don’t go there with me 😑 I never said I only see one client a month. I meant I’ve only had one ACTUAL booking in person, this month. That doesn’t include my website content sales, nor clients I already have all around. It’s actually been more like 5-6 clients I could say I’ve seen, in the past month to DATE. Still not as many as I prefer, but October has been slower than any I’ve ever seen in my years in the industry. It’s just been the perfect storm: new war brewing under already tense inflation and govt. shutdown concerns, then add more guys popping up on RentMen and RentMasseur in small markets that used to have only 3-5 guys advertising: now there’s like 20. All my other regulars and potentials are either out of town, don’t have the funds, or too busy with work to have sex 😔 I also seen this coming because, my only main regular in town cut me off earlier this year, because I wanted to accept an invite to a Saturday night event instead of hangout (aka, fuck) at his apartment: There was plenty times I told myself, if I didn’t have him as a regular I would be getting hardly nothing out here. At the same time, I have a right to make my own decisions. If that’s hard for someone to accept, they have the right to feel that way. So don’t always jump to pointing the finger, unless you’ve actually done the appropriate research behind a particular matter…And have a better solution other than “energy”. Save that for juju and horoscope talk. My thing is, I don’t just simply see them as “just” inquiries. We’ve had this discussion around here; how many times are people looking at ads 100 times and don’t even send a message? That’s what I call an inquiry. And they can look 100 times if that’s what it takes for them to book. The problem comes when they then reach out, but neglect to follow thru. And sure to them, it’s just an inquiry. In their small world. But if that’s the case, why is it that I can easily find out what other people say? Are they putting too much investment in the inquiry too? And this same client contacted me yesterday. Viewed my ad a few times, then called me (I don’t answer calls for this reason, which I specifically stats in the ad that he didn’t read and/or ignored. I need to check them out before I just start engaging in conversations). So is it JUST an inquiry? It’s not. It’s people who don’t actually respect provider’s time. They assume we have “other clients” who will pick up the slack if they cancel. Meanwhile they expect us to have it all together: a place to host them, a haircut to look good, great smile with expensive dental treatment, and a luxury car to get to them, filled with $4 gas (it’s actually gone down a little bit close to $3 in my area…but that’s basic premium that will cause lower performance and poor mileage in the type of cars I drive). Well how the fuck can I afford this stuff if 75% of them are sitting around playing bullshit games and not even trying to plan anything ahead of time, and then not responding when I do let them know I can accommodate? @Jamie21 I won’t say you’re playing devils advocate. But I think these guys know what they’re doing is inconsiderate. It’s called, conscience. Do they have one? If not, they need to get into therapy WITH ME since some people seem to think that’s the answer for everything 🙄

What gets me the most is, and this isn’t just clients: guys who be like, “I don’t give out my number until I meet someone first”. So we’re going to play this game where you walk in, check me out, and then walk out or send me away? No thanks. And it don’t even have to be anything dangerous on the scale of JD. But anybody who can’t show a number or does anything that obscures who they are: is likely up to no good. Either they are going to not answer the door upon arrival, or they may rape someone , not pay/under pay, steal something on their way out the door… It all translates to: I don’t want you to know my number/name/etc because I’m trying to conceal something. Question is, do I want to find out what? Probably not.

Well I’ll say: I’ve definitely come across some “Dahmer-ish” guys who could have hypothetically been someone like that. Loner, attractive White dude who has a thing for Black guys and living in an interior corridor apartment in the city: more common than you think lol. But then there’s more recent stories such as: the Michigan/Grindr Cannibal dude. At the end of the day, other than the fundamental security and screening methods that I already have in place: I wouldn’t see watching that being a reason to suddenly enforce extra measures. I feel that was during a time where even internet meets were considered risky, and lot of people were crazy (like how they are now lol). Nowadays though it’s the mass shootings: “The serial killing phenomenon in the United States was especially prominent from 1970 to 2000, which has been described as the "golden age of serial murder." The cause of the spike in serial killings has been attributed to urbanization, which put people in close proximity and offered anonymity.” -wiki However, it would be a good reminder to have SOME protective measures and, a reminder to clients why some providers may ask stuff like: Name: Age/Basic Describe: City You’re In: Yours or My Place Website 1st Seen: It’s amazing how many can’t even get past those questions. Or they’ll answer part of it then leave the rest blank. “I seen you on RentMen, my name is Jake from State Farm”. Okay, but that still leaves out question #2 and #4. You’re now a 🚩 in my book. I’m going to see how far I can go, before you 🧗🏾‍♂️lose footing.

I know…but I should have had about 10. I’ve literally went thru about 10 appointment requests since September 30th that I should have gotten, but only booking I had was a MintBoy 1.5 hour session from a client visiting. Others have been reaching out requesting appointments, and then disappearing off the planet 🌎 when asking them to confirm or do anything. Many of the bookings are expecting me to host NOW, for them as a complete stranger nobody with no picture and no deposit, and I have it outlined clear how I need that to be confirmed. Main reason is because I’m not on tour, and the home market I base in has never been a favorite of mine to begin with (won’t go into details about how this ended up my home base though). Ever since inflation hit, many of the regular dudes have disappeared, and lot of new clients have been sketchy and unreliable. Idk what it is, but many from RentM seem to be flakes and unreliable lately. I’ve already mentioned where 2 regulars in this area who were fine with $250 previously, but then started making like it was too much for them. They were trying to justify only doing $200. Meanwhile I’m not immune to inflation, and now getting fewer bookings. And technically they were already getting a discount for the time spent. I’m getting lots of hits to my ads, but it’s been hella slow. Meanwhile I’m responding to inquiries and texts, most are just weird. Or at the very least, non of them can host and they always want to meet at a short notice, limited time of day. Seems they can’t plan or think ahead. It’s not me that’s the issue, it’s the area. And it’s the Rent sites not really doing enough, leaving me to do all the legwork of screening and booking. And as you can see: no matter how prompt and polite I try to be, there is a lack of conversion going on out here.

I’ve pretty much reached point where I’m about to no longer display number on the 2 main Rent sites. In past couple weeks, I’ve had lots of inquiries…but haven’t had but 1 booking this whole month. On top of that, the effort to screen all these messages is becoming way more work than I’m getting paid. I’m trying to set up bookings with people, who are not replying back, not confirming as instructed, ghosting, not answering questions. Like why I need to keep my number up, only to be more frustrated than what I am…dealing with people who can’t keep their word or show little intent on actually following thru. Or they show no responsibility or acknowledge that they at-least put the “expectation” of a booking happening. They just figure, “oh I’ll ghost but I didn’t make an appointment, it was just an “inquiry”. That’s not true. Like for example, look at this person who has ghosted on 2 occasions, but then couldn’t take a single iota of responsibility nor sent anything out of courtesy: and then 2 months later…(as if it never happened): And then this is him when I had my other assistant reach out to him to explain why he owes payment cancellation fee: So it’s like, not only do I have to deal with things already being a bit slower than usual: The disrespect and level of inconsideration from these guys is appalling. How do they not see why this is shiesty as hell? And regardless of what his job is: that has nothing to do with him contacting me asking for an appointment, and then running away TWICE, on ghost. Not even giving me the courtesy to let me know he couldn’t make it (which wouldn’t make a difference as: a cancel and a no show are both annoying occurrences). Like I’ve said before, I’m not getting paid enough to keep dealing with the nonsense. And some of these RentMasseur potentials only want to offer $100/$150 max and want way more than what they initially ask for. I am simply going to post my site, and have my number included on there. Leaving my number on the platforms just seems to invite a lot of people who aren’t invested, and who are just kicking tires and playing games. I need real people who actually going to read and abide and be serious when they reach out ✌️

I only say that because: most weren’t like artistically nude. But just a collage of dicks at various angles and backgrounds. It may look good on a site called gayporn.com (I’m just making that site up but I’m sure it exists lol), where it’s professionally shot 📸 and what not. But not so much when you’re trying to win potential clients. That’s true, and I get that on a 1 on 1 scale. But the big picture is, apps like that have robbed us out of clientele to a degree. I know this being true because, I used to have way more clients before it’s inception than I do now. And they’ve barred us from being able to really market to them if we wish, without getting banned in 10 minutes. Even though I’m aware many use both, and some clients use it temporarily until they find a fuck buddy. And then if that doesn’t work out, they come back over to us 🙃

That may be so but, I rather them rule than for Grindr and these other apps who have actually robbed us out of our clients, and refuse to give anything in return. Whatever RentMen needs to do to stay in business, I’m not opposed. Just as long as it doesn’t turn into a “dating app for wealthy men” lol.

That’s why it’s always important to never put too much stake in one advertising platform. I’ve seen it with Craigslist, Men4Rent, Rentboy, Adam, Backpage, HourBoy, and now RentMen. Every site is bound to change or do something different than what we’re used to, and it doesn’t even surprise or scare me anymore. If anything, I’m just grateful the site is still up at all. I’m not “glad” that they removed open nude pics (and in some ways the site was starting to look trashy looking at a grid of 20 different dick shots, and only served to add more fuel to the fire that is Timewasters and lookie loos): However, there needs to be an incentive behind it. Many people aren’t going to be happy having to either send pictures or do without. But if someone doesn’t have a website, I would advise people to start signing back up to Adam4Adam, and then let that be the “alternate” platform for communication and dick pic unlocks. However, it’s not for the faint of heart. The amount of Timewasters on the site has surged. And barely even getting clients from it lately. My profile expired and I haven’t renewed it simply because I can’t be bothered right now. RentMen chat is also an option, but it’s too vague on the client side. At least on Adam I can see their physical description, location and age without even seeing a photo. RentMen requires us to fish for the info. However as I’ve mentioned, RentMasseur hasn’t been allowing open nudes for as long as I remember. Yet it still has a big following and viewers. No nudes but rates are allowed. Perhaps RentMen is working with that solution: bringing rates back, removing nudes. But I can’t read their mind on what they are planning to do necessarily. What I would like for them to do next, and save us all unnecessary time wasting…put in a message where it says “call me” and let us write something pertinent they need to know before reaching out. Too many out here are contacting clueless: either they’re calling when I say text only, asking for incalls when I’m not hosting, not into deposits even I say I require deposits, thinking I’m in a city when I’m not in that city: for fucks sake RentMen let us educate these people with a short note before they contact us, because many never seem to read the ad beforehand lol.

Which is great, like I said. OR: The sites can just be considerate and not be shitty. I personally don’t believe decrim is the knight in shining armor that we’re waiting for. It’ll be great if and when that happens, provided there’s no strings attached. We need to “policy” ourselves and also communicate. Write to RentMen. I write to RentMass and RentM several times a year with my concerns and questions about what’s going on with the site. We don’t need to just wait around for a White man 👨🏻‍💼 or Black woman 🧑🏾‍💼 in a suit to give us “approval”. That’s not making it about race but just saying, like…we don’t need decrim, legalization, any of that shit. We also don’t need their rules and regulations running the ship either. We need respect, freedom and proper self policing. Just like being gay has moved past “decriminalized” and now is just an accepted way of living. That’s all I want. They can keep politics out of our pants lol.

Btw, just found something that I’ll have to start sending next time someone asks me for full service escort, and only wants to pay $150-200. Because, some people seem to think $150-200 is the best rates for a provider to charge, otherwise it’s “too much” 🤦🏾‍♂️ This is starting from around when RentMen first came onto the market: And then…

facts 🤦🏾‍♂️

I wish I could help you understand this but the only understanding is, they’re cheap. 1 or 2 guys scammed them, with 0 reviews and probably didn’t even show their face, just a dick sitting on a toilet, and now every provider on RentMen is a scam. They want to sit back and let you do all the work for them, while you give them the “option” to keep (or not) their end of the arrangement. What I would say each time someone says what you said is: “I’ve also been burned and scammed as well, and I pay $79+ a month to advertise on the site you viewed me on. If you’re not able to pay the deposit, you’ll have to pay/book the hotel and travel for me.” Or if they are local add: if you cancel and I meet without a deposit, there’s a $75 cancellation fee you’ll need to bring to me. Watch the flakes run for the 🏜️ or watch them meet you in a parking lot and bring the money. But I got tired of fighting and bill collecting from clients like that. It’s too stressful, and ruins the relationship (that was never had because they never made it to first base in the first place). Rather just get deposit ahead and if something comes up, at least I get something for my effort. I agree up to the extent that it almost sounds like the “if you don’t vote…you can’t complain”. I guess if you do vote and don’t win, you can do what a certain group of people, who thought a certain political figure “told them” to do, I guess 🤷🏾‍♂️ I don’t think there’s an answer to/not to complain. The ultimatums presented don’t really give much solace to the fact that: as you said, there’s a risk in both. Taking deposits may take a hit to one’s income , not taking deposits may mean being stranded or out $400. Non of that is something someone “shouldn’t” complain about. I think instead of playing devil’s advocate, we can talk about what are some ways a client can properly verify a provider before sending deposit and/or get money back from someone IF and only IF, they didn’t show and out right ghosted. Or we can talk about why clients shouldn’t be flaky, educate them on how to arrange bookings and not fear providers asking for a deposit. Perhaps educate providers on WHEN it’s necessary to take a deposit, so they can avoid being stiffed or stood up. If a provider is spending money to host a client (hotel/air bnb): get a deposit. Doesn’t matter if it’s an incall or if other clients booked that day. If you’re traveling a distance that could be inconvenient if a client cancels, get a deposit too. Trust and believe when I say; every situation you can name: I’ve had it happen. Every situation. All of the above.

You would surprised how many lookers DON’T read ads 🤦🏾‍♂️ like I literally have it in writing, in my ad and still get people talking about “cash only”. I even had to go as far as removing my number, and making sure they clicked my website and understood. I think some of the inquiries are just straight up scammers themselves because it’s like, how do people manage to contact me when my number is removed, and still act like they didn’t know I asked for a deposit?? 🤦🏾‍♂️ You’d be surprised. Had a client last month in Columbus who wouldn’t even send a deposit for a $400 visit, even though he knew I had to travel from St. Louis and stop in Ohio to meet him, on my way to DC. And the kicker is, he wanted me to host which means spending hotel money out of my pocket. But he was more than happy to write me a whole letter about how interested he was, and his prostate issues 🤦🏾‍♂️ People like that are the real scammers. All he has to do, is not show up: and I’m out of hotel money and possible other work. Luckily enough, I booked a different client in Cincinnati who did send a deposit. Maybe they do that because they don’t want to lose the client right up front. So they probably rather wait to see if they can get them to commit beforehand I agree except, even if someone did add the deposit: hotels do it all the time, and get away with it. (didn’t take long to find this and it’s just an example). Yet many guys expect us to travel to a city AND pay for a hotel, along with possible fees and deposits, before getting cash in hand. How is that fair (not questioning you, just the overall principle). So in some cases, the deposit could be added by an escort for that reason. How is it fair for a provider to spend $100-200-300 on a room, and then have that amount subtracted from their earning…Unless they are seeing multiple clients, which these days seems uncommon unless in the ideal market 🤷🏾‍♂️ Bingo, 100%… and people and clients need to just understand: IT IS NOT FREE TO BE AN ESCORT. Sometimes I just want to tell “cash only” guys, “take that cash and shove it up your ass”. However I know that would be unprofessional and rude, but it’s just the principle. People can’t reasonably expect that a provider is going to always be willing to shoulder the full burden of risk: commuting and/or booking accommodations on the “hope” that the client will show up and they’ll make back their expenses. The escort is generally the person with the greater need for money. A client may not want to be scammed and lose $50-$100, but an escort stands the chance of losing hotel ($75-$250 on average) plus, PLUS…PLUSSSSS, the payment from the client AND from potential other client. So a cancelled/flaked session may cost an escort $90 hypothetical hotel+ $300 hypothetical rate = $390. At a Loss. What escort is asking for a $390 deposit to cover that potential loss? Every time I think about stopping deposits, someone does something else to make me keep asking them. Someone who can’t understand why a provider with a website, multiple good reviews, established in the biz for years is asking for a deposit: the person is a scammer, potential scammer, or likely scammed a provider in the past. I even had a regular who was anti-deposit, he admitted to booking a popular provider for two hours, who was visiting Kansas City and cancelled on him to see me instead. I told him, I appreciate it but: I don’t normally condone stiffing another provider. It’s 2023. Things change. Businesses change. People used to pay cash to cabs: look at Uber and Lyft. Clients who can’t get with the program are going to frustrate a lot of providers, and be using their own right or left hand (or mouth if they can get that far 😆 And for providers who take deposits and don’t show: that can happen with or without deposit. I have seen/heard escorts scam clients right before their eyes, even with cash. If someone really wanted to rip a client off, they could take your cash and gun you down or have someone ready to jump out the other room or closet. So it’s no fool proof method for not being ripped off. The whole concept about not sending a deposit being safer, is just ludicrous and ignorant. The opposite is true. If they wouldn’t walk around with cash normally for safety, they shouldn’t use cash as a safety mechanism because they “been scammed before”. I should say, “well I been robbed before so, I don’t walk around with cash, you need to pay with etc etc” I think people who say that anyway are just full of crap and won’t show anyway. They know they’re playing games, they aren’t fooling me or anybody else with the nonsense paranoia.

lol idk why, but those can be my favorites. It’s like finally: let yourself be freeeee—eaky lol.

100 percent. And people just have to accept that some providers will ask a deposit. Doesn’t mean it’s always a scam. If someone is going pay a provider anyway: no need to put up a fight about sending one if the person proves to show legit. Now, I’ve heard of situations like from a client of mine: a home builder company was asking him something like THOUSANDS of dollars for a deposit to build on the land plot. They weren’t going to spend their money, they needed him to front it. He was talking about this project for awhile, but ended up backing out. Even had the blueprint and everything. If I were that builder: I woulda been asking for deposit from day 1, if I knew it was something I needed. I’m sure there’s ways for clients how to do their own “screening” on someone, but that’s not in my arena.

You’re right. I had to fact check that and go back. I called him first because he was asking to meet that night, and I since he was clear across town I had needed to get a response soon. Then he called me like 30 minutes later. I guess it seemed like 10-15 minutes including the texts that were sent. The actual time was more like: Of course, he didn’t book that night or the next like he said he was: and now he’s blocked and added to the bad list along with the other reports he has too ✌ In fact, since I only stayed on the phone for 4 minutes: I think it should be stated 😂 It’s especially tricky when I say, “well okay I have to get going” and then they somehow slip in another question or sentence. And who even questions that anyway?? It’s a reason why the show on MTV called catfish is still on air, tons of stories where people have spent months chatting with someone and haven’t met yet. Idk why someone would attempt to “ridicule” someone who has spent more time on the phone than necessary.

I’m almost thinking about moving to New Orleans for the season. I had a good time when I was there, and was busier with appointments than I expected. I’m just not feeling my current State at all. And St. Louis is kind of like the “Midwest” New Orleans (even has a Mardi Gras as well)…but it’s just not popping. I was a hit in New Orleans for a few days. I liked the steady visitor traffic and even the locals were eager. Only 1 person didn’t want to do a deposit, but he still showed up. I told him: meet me in front of the hot dog 🌭 restaurant lol. I didn’t get to see it all this trip, but I did want to check out Metairie a bit more…at a bartender’s advice. Even though I liked the city, it’s embodies everything “ Big City south” and with that comes racism, crime, poverty…in sections. And the open hand drinking I love: but it definitely brings out the crazies. It reminded me of Las Vegas the most. I happen to know a friend who goes there often, who can help chaperone on future visits. And I was already making new friends at the Phoenix gay bar lol.

I stopped answering unexpected calls awhile ago. Part of me wants to go back to doing so, but like @Simon Suraci, most of the answers are going to be in the ads. I also prefer not to be caught off guard. Unlike other professions that may be “working” between certain hours, our hours may be variable or only when actively taking a client. I always send a text when I see a phone call. I’m willing to talk on the phone, but only after client has provided screening details and has agreed to send a deposit. If they’re just calling me up out the blue, I’m not doing it. Too easy of an opportunity to be disrespected or spend too much time on the phone. It used to be okay awhile ago, but I find the majority of serious clients recognize a text or even email, is usually the best way to break the ice. Last time I allowed myself to answer a call was in August while I was in Denver. The guy talked good game for 10-15 minutes. But he wasn’t ready to book that day and gave me the run around the next day, and had some questionable comments on the Number. I’ll answer a phone call maybe once a year, and then not have to wonder why I don’t take them anymore. However, I don’t mind to phone up someone as I’m arriving or if they need directions getting to where I am. But phone calls: have to be scheduled with an appointment

Thanks for clarifying that, and extra 🧁 points for reading my ad/reviews and of course the compliments are appreciated! 🎉 And I should add: I’m not advocating deposits (e.g. let’s ALL charge one), I’m moreso letting people know: don’t necessarily hate on it either. I know some escorts don’t like to do them because it sometimes obligates them to show up to a city or booking they may need to change later. I respect that. And I’ll say yes: it took me awhile to get to this point. The old-younger me, didn’t take deposits. My door was open, I would drive miles away with nothing but a phone call or text, and address. However, my location has changed, things have changed. Things that have happened to me over the years have changed how I do business. When I’ve been: -stood up en route -short changed, -f**k a client and he “goes to his car to get the money” but never comes back, -drive 500 miles only for the client to cancel upon arrival, -book hotel rooms and client texts to cancel as I’m handing over the credit card to the front desk, -book a hotel for $90 at the Sheraton on Priceline (non refundable) and two clients both no show: It changes you. It changes your confidence and trust that some random 👨🏻 is going to pay me upon arrival, let alone show up. The excitement and thrill of doing that, doesn’t replace real life shit that has actually happened to me. Then again, I actually was taking deposits even long time ago. Even before cash app, Venmo and PayPal became popular: I was occasionally accepting on western Union or MoneyGram if the client was a drive far away. They happily did it without fuss. You’re confusing hate with “hate” lol. Hate IS ridicule. Ever heard the terms “Haterade” or “player hater”? I was thinking about something. I have 3 options: I can stop deposits, but I’ll contact you when a client wants me to host (which means I need to book separate accommodations to host most of the time) or travel to an area an hour or more from where I reside. That way, I won’t have to ask for a deposit. Or 2, if and when a person fails to show up, or cancels 20 minutes prior to me arriving to their location: I’ll contact you and ask for their reimbursement of my fee. That way I don’t have to ask them for cancel fee. Or #3 non of the above: I can stop deposits but will no longer host (eliminating overheads). When I travel, I’ll just get any run of mill hotel that suits my budget, and will not pick hotels in convenient areas if it’s more than I care to afford. Even if it’s 30 miles outside of town. Clients will have to pay/provide all accommodations to host. All Outcalls will require direct phone call to their hotel room OR picture of ID that is attached to their home address. Any of those sound doable?

I also looked up more literature to read, regarding how other established pros feel about deposits. Take note 📝 And regarding scams:

You’re hating on a sex worker right now. Just think about it. You’re being rude and condescending, dissing another man’s way of working: yet you’re not hating on sex workers. Hmm 🤔 And why are you concerned about how many bookings I get in a particular city? If you’re not willing to do deposits, that’s your prerogative. You shouldn’t be offended nor be defensive about it. Every person has a particular way of working that suits them. Just because you hire regularly, doesn’t mean you are the manual to how a person should run their ship. It also has nothing to do with going 3 days without a client. It may be that way for someone, even if they didn’t ask deposits. Again, to prove my point AGAIN from other sources: Again, not me posting. Another source. I’m only posting this stuff to educate you and the PRESUMPTION (which I’m only doing because I have extra time on hand) It’s easy to point blame and criticize someone when they say something you don’t agree with. But when I’m not the only one talking about the same thing, hopefully you can get out of the critical mindset.

Well if that’s how you feel, maybe you don’t even need to be in this arena. Thats a condescending view towards the profession. If thats true, I should be equally wary paying upfront for what I have to do to book a meet. Expecting an anonymous person with no pics or reviews, to show up to a hotel I spent or drove across town to see. And yes I will keep doing what I’m doing because it is working out for me 👍🏾 Thankyou very much. When I wasn’t doing deposits, there were still flakes and no shows, and people who asked for appointments but argued they never confirmed. Only difference now is, I’m not wasting my resources on gas and hotel rooms expecting people to come thru and leaving me hanging. Or giving out my apartment address without a deposit, and then wondering if someone is just trying to address collect from me. And just to prove my point from elsewhere in the escort world (not a post from me): So erase the hating on deposits and sex workers.

Thanks for the uplifting words. I know it’s hard to navigate the scammers, and someone new may be reluctant. But that’s why I give options when I can. I will sometimes say: instead of deposit, I can consider etc etc instead. We’ve already seen that, you don’t even HAVE to do a deposit, and still get scammed. I just don’t like that there’s people cruising the sites, who try to put up a fight about deposits: or the word @Vin_Marco used: an honorarium. In my case, a nominal honorarium for basic upfront costs that I have to spend out of pocket. Whether that’s $100 on hotel or $20 for gas. Uber does it Lyft does it Amazon does it AMC movie theaters does it Apple does it RentMen themselves do it! They charge us upfront, before even guaranteeing we’ll ever get a client. No escort site allow us to post, and then pay out of proceeds of clients, unless it’s just a free site all together. All these places and companies charge something before receiving material or service. I don’t care how many times someone has been scammed. If it wasn’t by me, it’s a non factor. Seekers must stop with the nonsense about making it seem they’re so horrified and shocked 😯 that an escort asks something upfront before meeting and/or travel. It’s not a hookup/dating app. Amazon is not delivering Tarzan before payment.

I appreciate you speaking up for me but, let’s not go that route lol. I don’t want to get off on the tangent of politics or stereotypes 😂 Also, the Midwest is somewhat an unspoken territory around here. I don’t think many in the Midwest, consider it Midwest lol. And there’s Ohio, Indiana that also get branded as Midwest, even though they are in eastern time zone (which shares cities like New York and Miami). But technically: they are in the “middle” Of where the east and west begin, respectively: I’m glad you’re willing to learn. That’s what the purpose of it is. I didn’t mean to come off arrogant or pompous. It was just an example of how to make a good encounter versus an adversarial encounter. I actually hesitated on posting because I didn’t want to appear to be bragging, but I get tired of people making it seem like I’m perpetually frustrated or like having a deposit is a ticket to rejection.