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One thing I have to quickly note on my end: there’s always two sides to every story. Without any real evidence on our end or presence of the matter: I was merely speaking in general. That’s not invalidating or discrediting the story: however I have seen situations where someone appeared to be the suspect but in reality wasn’t. There’s still not enough info in this post to confirm this person was the actual suspect. And the ”first responders” would likely go about it the same. Hopefully: whatever happened is resolved timely and the OP can find a way to recoup the loss. In a situation like that, blame and regret are just secondary.

Thing is: the theft has nothing to do with how they met or what was going on. There’s not even anything mentioned in the post, that gives reference of anything beyond the theft. This isn’t a case of “he didn’t pay me for sex”. This is a case of; this person stole a vehicle and committed grand theft. This person stole a vehicle, took 2 laptops and a wallet. I would be 100% going to the proper channels and printing up a photo (doesn’t need to say “RentMen”, after all no need to give more info than necessary and giving it to the police) and make it very easy for them. Then I’d be taking the same police report, and sending it to the advertising platform to let them know what time it is. In fact, I would be me or having someone in my crew reach out to him personally and tell him: return the shit: or I’m coming with someone to pick it up FOR me. Period ☝🏾 Sorry that happened. But having been a victim of a robbery twice myself: and neither time related to escorting, I can definitely sympathize. However, in each case I can always see where I faulted and how it could have been avoided. In your case, I can’t quite tell based on the info you gave: but “going to another place” and 4 a.m. all sound like red flags. Not of you, but just of the situation. I never leave things within reach of unknown persons. I have a strategic way of putting things to where my sight is going to be on it at all times. I also avoid making any “detours” at any point. I had that happen in San Diego earlier this month. I was at one place, with 3 guys but then at some point the venue was going to switch to the other guy’s place. Instant red flag for me. I was like, “why are we switching?” It wasn’t nothing sinister (other guy was tired) but…past experiences have shown that deviating from the course of the original place, and dealing with unknowns can result in unintended circumstances. But regardless, don’t just let it slide. Even if you don’t get instant return of property, better than going unreported.

Great point about basic/gold ad. Even though I’ve kept a basic ad on one of the sites for the last couple months, I decided to switch back to Gold. Even though I was still getting booked even with basic, I was finding I wasn’t being displayed properly in some travel locations in RMass…and in some locations I had to keep bumping myself to platinum on RM just to get on the first page. So that was kinda disconcerting. I mainly do platinum boost to jump start a tour, but I’m not fully convinced it is reliable to use all the time. Except in the more busy markets where there is 2-3 pages of Gold ads. I just wish RentMen had the same level of “hits/inquiries” as the other site. Especially since it is more expense. Unless guys just say the other site to make it sound “safer” when they contact. I often have people contacting me saying they “seen me on RM.” I usually ask, which one?? Lol. This seems more true in some areas than others.

Yah I agree with that. Even though I’ll say: I think now that you mentioned it, I feel “safer” as a provider than even working in most of those professions. Stuck with some crazy at 35,000 feet…reminds me of that movie turbulence lol. At least we have the option to screen out or block those types before actually meeting them. That’s why the entitled ones who think they should be able to walk into our offices with minimal screening, should keep walking. It’s not meant to be a personal attack, only if they interpret it as such.

Right, that goes back to the thread someone posted about which is better between massage and S corting. And I was like, there is no which is better but…I do know what tends to be more “approachable” in some areas. Even Adam4Adam, they nixed the escort category and defaulted to masseur. Not great, but I guess better than no category. Somehow massage just happens to override escorting in many areas. I remember that being so as far back as the Craigslist days. I think what they really asking is, how much is it to…🍆 e.g. etcetera. But it’s like…it’s 2023. Can we just move on already? First thing needs to be done, is modify the S&F bill that T&P signed 📝 back in 2016. Considering all the mayhem that’s been exposed. Fortunently, I just had a booking request yesterday who seemed to have read and gotten the memo. I think going forward, I’m just going to stick with email and number listed off site. Most weeks I can handle the flurry of inquiries, but I just turned 36 less than a week ago and my patience for arguing with people who expect providers to do minimal screening: is low 🚮

Right, similar to Miami/Wilton Manors in Florida. I won’t mention his name (politics) but RDS is making Florida look extremely conservative when in reality, there’s tons of liberal fluid people. If anything, Florida is one of the most liberal states in the country as a whole. But you have people living and moving there who see all that, and throw the 📖 at them. Even Miami and Fort Lauderdale area can be super conservative in pockets 🫤 New Orleans is an example of an enclave in a middle of conservatism I experienced that myself. Considering Alberta borders Montana which is a very conservative and repressed state…it’s not exactly surprising. Hmm, idk about that. I stayed in that area and seemed to be convenient for most. However, I did week nights. I think the issue would come if someone tried to go during the most busiest and rowdy nights of the year. I never been to decadence or Mardi Gras, however I can imagine local clients not wanting to go down there during those days. Basically. On top of that: small towns are full of churches. My relatives live in rural area and I see it all the time. It’s all about church, work, and family values. So much so, that it rubs off on the gay community. No matter how much some tout equality and such.

Good assessment on competition and how it shouldn’t be feared but…it’s just in my experience especially in the biggest cities, with the biggest dicks and lots of chocolate 😆 : it just doesn’t pop as quickly as cities with less competition. Places I’ve spent time in like Miami, Houston, Chicago, Los Angeles…it seems like the money takes too long for me. I be desiring clients within the first day or 2 of arrival. I remember one year I was in L.A., and wasn’t getting anything. Went to Bakersfield and had a booking within a couple days of advertising. Though I will say: sometimes visiting and living in a city can bring 2 different levels of opportunity. If OP isn’t really reliant on bookings, and can post around for weeks and months and get noticed by a wide audience, it may be easier than someone just visiting for a couple days or a week and not easily noticed among the pages of ads.

At this point, I’m just over the constant stupidity. Many of these guys prove they haven’t done a damn thing to read my ad, all they’re doing is being lazy, clicking number after only viewing pictures: and not wanting to do a single bit of effort. Then, these guys have the fucking AUDACITY to complain about someone having a booking strategy, when they aren’t even the least bit honest themselves. For example: Yet I’m supposed to give him an easy meet up, despite 3 other people saying the same thing: All these guys do is just lie. That’s why I’ve just updated my Ad to inform people I’m removing my number, only posting on my website. That way I can prove who’s reading and who’s not. The rest can just bang their heads into a wall all day trying to figure out how to reach me. I’m done with the bullshit…

Though this may work for some, I would advise against someone new going this route. I had a client similar to how you describe as well, which was good in theory but: the issue comes if they want to “take stuff back”. Also in a case like that, that isn’t necessarily escorting or sex work. That’s just sugar daddy arrangement. Anybody can do that. Without a marriage, that basically could be anyone. Now over time, if someone happens to be able to come across someone like that and maybe they are on their way out of the biz: perhaps. Like you say, “short lived” was probably for a reason.

Well, though you’ll get differing perspectives and success stories: It’s worth noting that the biz right now is in a different place than what I might have been “several years” ago. Being fresh and new isn’t necessarily a ticket to instant success. Even with the optimism, still have to be realistic about the situation. And moreso: Los Angeles (and even the industry as a whole in many cities) is an extremely competitive market to navigate: there’s lots of guys just like you with the same ambition. Problem is: there’s too many escorts and not enough decent websites like there used to be. Not to mention, the economy is all over the place, with lots of time wasters: time-waster noun [ C ] US /ˈtaɪm ˌweɪ.stɚ/ UK /ˈtaɪm ˌweɪ.stər/ Add to word list someone who causes another person to waste time doing something that does not achieve any good result: The ad was answered by a lot of time-wasters who didn't even seriouslywant the job. However, it shouldn’t be a reason to not explore the industry if you desire. I would just caution to keep your perspectives reasonable. Figure a rate you’re comfortable with, ensure clients are willing to screen/give basic info, don’t accept last minute appointments (the ones who are like, wanting to meet “now” because they’re also willing to flake), and be prepared for it to take some time to make everything work.

I don’t think that can be answered based simply on which is “better”. Some masseurs would loathe escort work, some escorts would not want to do massage work. Granted, sites like RMass have given the opportunity to skew those lines a bit, but regardless it’s not the same. What I will say is, in some…MANY parts of the country: Mass is easier to gain bookings than escorting. Because we’re still stuck in the 1800s, some men feel differently about massages versus companionship. In my area, most all my requests are for that. Only difference: the expectations of price for massage can be lower than that of providing. I know some people offer, and some clients even go to: guys who charge $80 for a rub and tug. But it’s not sustainable for everyone unless they have the volume and/or extra income. And even if they did: that don’t mean it’s going to work for everybody. Just because one guy asks $80, doesn’t mean you slag off the next guy who asks $300. There used to be a defined line between Craigslist and Rentboy. Now, it’s just a thin line between rentmass and rentmen.

Exactly. Even if it’s “nothing serious”, one can still end up with something nasty from cum or “etc” getting in the wound. Even a little bit.

I been having people message, with seemingly no indication that they put any effort into reading my ad or anything before contacting. Just a bunch of vague messages. I’m trying to plan a trip ASAP so I can change the scenery from my current area. But it’s like, people are contacting not even giving the most basic details. It’s nice when a person sends a pic and a paragraph. But sometimes even that falls short because, they’re expecting something to happen on limited deadline. Like, all that info included only to learn they have to fly out the next day or something to where nothing can be coordinated in advance. What are people thinking? Am I expected to just be: Him: Hi Me: Sup Him: Available? Me: Yes Him: When Me: Now And then somehow, we just magically meet up? If they want 1 word, I’ll give them one ☝word

I was actually just there couple months ago for about 4-5 days. First time I actually worked the city, since I last visited in 2010 for a day. I was surprised, I had a great time. The first 2 days I had friends present, the other 3 days I was on my own. I stayed in the quarter and parked, even walked to/from different venues. I think the scariest part of the city were the roads (drivers and giant craters covered with nothing but a cone) and a palmetto bug that flew towards us on the balcony on bourbon St. Crime has gone up in many major cities. Kansas City has issues , St. Louis has issues, Denver has issues. I was showing some friends around in Kansas City couple weeks ago, sirens were going off everywhere, people fighting in the street. Many of the big cities are having issues. That’s part of why I almost want to just stop working big markets all together, and stick with smaller (not small, but smaller) It’s just the traffic can be much lower. I think if you just watch your surroundings, don’t get too inebriated, have a 2nd wallet when going “out” (I never go partying with my full wallet, I have spares that usually have nothing but an ID and just enough cash/credit for the night). I also don’t buy in-calls are any safer than outcalls. Hence why I ask for confirmation and screen in the first place because: most people with ill will, are more likely to come to you, versus you being able to track where they live (the Boston Craigslist killer is an example). Just have to get an idea about them ahead of time and anyone acting dodgy, keep it moving.

I think what it is: lot of providers want to be listed under the major city. Problem is, RentMen map feature is very precise, moreso than RentMasseur. The city of Los Angeles probably only covers a small square, before you end up listed under something different, like Huntington Park. Idk why, again one of the mysteries of the 2 sites. For example; in St. Louis: that is a very small area to pick from. If one moves the ad to just a few miles (like literally, one side of a city park even) to the next neighborhood, it’ll show up under a different city. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with specifying what neighborhood one is in. But seems to fare better listing under the main city.

Easier said than done. In my experience: most, except for the few extra kind clients: are not going to book a room for a provider. Why? I don’t know. But like I said elsewhere, if I was actively seeking action, I’d be willing to do BOTH. Host and travel. Both people should be willing to do both. That way if one option doesn’t work for the other, the odds (going back to that gambling thread) are in both favor. Doesn’t mean you have to necessarily be hosting/ready to travel 24/7 or in that moment, but better to be able so you’re not reliant or pressuring the other person to. That’s why I decided to ask for deposits. My hosting situation varies based on location, but for the most part it’s the same: I have to book accommodations majority of time. Which I don’t mind, booking a hotel gives me the opportunity to create my own ambience and have privacy, in addition to the possibility of hosting another booking or encounter. Assuming hotel rates are in the $60-$100 range, it shouldn’t pose an issue. My last hotel room was under 75 and it was clean, comfy, and bug free in a central suburban neighborhood. However in some cities, $150+ a night for even basic accommodations make it challenging, in which case I’ll either prefer Outcalls or will do longer sessions only. In most smaller or medium sized markets: in-calls may be most of what any can get. Many are likely married. Hard to make much if one doesn’t host, because majority also can’t host. Though I get your concerns, I think if you’re in a position to host from home, count your blessings and let it work in your favor. Gay men have to let go being dubious about having other (gay or etc.) men in their home. You’re better off in the comfort of your own, than to go to some mystery place that you have no idea about. There’s been times I’ve left the comfort of my host to visit a client, and wasn’t thrilled it because the environment or ambience was subpar. Usually doesn’t happen all the time, as many client’s place are much better than a hotel, but it’s something may come across when doing Outcalls. Back when I had a full time incall: I pretty much hosted all the time and only did Outcalls to hotels. However, people would sometimes flake or no show…which compelled me to let it go. And now, hosting is different.

My motto for anything that doesn’t have an exact cause: please go see a doctor. I had to encourage a friend in San Diego earlier this year to do the same. In fact, I was telling him: go to the nearest hospital and apply for financial assistance if you don’t have the means…this is no joke. I had a nagging cough for a few weeks (went to a doctor within 3 days, tested negative for strep and Covid), but ended up going to the emergency room one night because it got just that bad. Waiting for it to “wear off” wasn’t happening. I have asthma so, it’s not something I’d wanna delay. I can’t necessarily say the case for this person, but regardless: it could be MRSA and worth having immediate attention. If it were a cut/injury: I’d be taking time off or wrapping it with a bandage.

Right…and gambling is what I describe it if…IF one chooses to do it that way. For example, I “gambled” going to Houston with no pre-booked appointments (though I had a few contacts from previous advertising in the area…non of who were available). But normally I don’t do something as foolish and stupid as that anymore. Maybe in my 20s. But now I know better, and I would have been better off going an alternate direction but…live and learn. At least I know not to do it again. But, what I was describing was: I didn’t think “odds” accurately described the biz. You can’t even put odds on it. That’s like a bad bet on PowerBall and mega millions lol.

Hmm, well like I posted in another thread: sometimes no matter the experience, some people get to where they can’t afford it. Idk the exact validity of that. Or, with the options that are out there, lot of guys.. both free and paid, are always switching up their hookups. I see it all the time. I enjoy having regulars myself but, if it were as easy as that in all areas…few would be posted up on RM “Available now” all the time. I reached out to one provider in my area with some feedback about a client who was being a pain in the…bussy about booking: turns out he told me he only sees him about once every 3 years. Wouldn’t surprise me but, that’s a long stretch that I’d hardly consider a regular. I most recently finally come across a DECENT return client who isn’t with the drama, high maintenance requests, canceling and rescheduling multiple times in a day (true story).

Right, except where does one draw the line? I did mention it CAN be like a gamble, but I don’t feel it has to be. Of course there’s strategies to use…because nobody wants to keep putting money into ads and taking trips, in a way that isn’t going to bring about a decent return 🤷🏾‍♂️

Had a chat with someone about this the other day: There shouldn’t be this idea that we’re “gambling” and playing by odds. I feel that trivializes our work and also gives the impression that nobody can be in control of their coordination. I think once people change their views towards the biz, things will be better.

I occasionally hear some clients say they don’t like to hire guys with tattoos. I don’t necessarily feel complimented or advantageous, but I recognize that’s their preference and it’s fine by me. I personally like a tattooed man…and guys who have them catch my attention quick. I wish I had some myself, But I also think about guys like Cutler X and Adam Dexter (both Black, big dick porn stars) like myself 😜 who seemed to get plenty of ass without any… I don’t think there should be any expectation. I think it’s as much of a choice as having a beard, or driving a luxury car (and both of those tend to either be: because you desire to OR because you’re trying to promote a status). Maybe someone needs to drive a luxury car because they need the reliable power to haul luggage up steep hills, and luxury when you pull up to prestigious client’s hotels. I feel tattoos are simply a person’s personal expression, I don’t think it says anything more or less about the person. For a little while: I used to feel tattooed guys were all self-absorbed jerks, because I was meeting a lot like that at one point. But this past year: I met a really sweet and selfless guy with a tribal sleeve, another guy I’ve known for years who has a few: and he’s one of the most down to earth, selfless guys out there. Then recently met a totally selfish guy with no tattoos. So…threw that notion out the window 🪟 lol Exactly… other thing too: temporary tattoos are becoming quite popular as well. Some guys who may have tattoos might not actually be “permanent”. I experimented with some myself for awhile: but the problem is: Americans are obsessed with something being “real”. Instead of just complimenting and appreciating a design, they have to be nosy and pry more. And I personally don’t like being related to anything “fake” or not real, because nothing about me is fake. That said: a tattoo is on my bucket list: however, unless someone has a friend who is an artist that can offer them tattoo work: Ink can be expensive, and I just haven’t found a place in my life (or budget) to do that type of work. I tend to invest my money into clothes, car maintenance, jewelry, travel. Not that tattoos are less significant than those, but it’s just: those are my priorities. Plus the idea of having to nurse a wound. I know with tattoos there is a certain amount of that required. I routinely get bit, scraped, cut or jabbed by something doing my hobbies: (the other day I sliced the end of my thumb and didn’t even realize it until I felt a burning when washing my hands…and all I could think was: Hope I don’t have to give someone a massage today, even though I need the biz) 🤦🏾‍♂️

I don’t doubt what you say, because either or both could be true: but I‘ve come across impulsive people without tattoos and people of higher social background than me (including clients) with tattoos. One guy I know is a neonatal nurse for a hospital (which is basically a baby doctor). I didn’t even know he had a huge back and a few other tattoos until we started fucking 😂 They sure look delicious on you 😋

The dedicated GPS (i like Garmin) are usually always on point majority of the times, when going from town to town. It’s just when it comes to navigating countryside areas, that they seem to occasionally off track. Or sometimes on a route that isn’t favorable. I usually like to verify on Google phone map first, and then use the dedicated gps as a hands free or, especially in areas where data signal is thin: a regular gps will still work.

This. I would 💯 Mark this as the solution to this thread BUT: I don’t think women should get more credit. I think all these things are valid and should be taken into consideration. Partly why I am advocating for a revolution in the industry. Not that we have to go marching down the street, but: simple things to improve the market. Something as simple as: no selfie pics in the bathroom on profiles. It may look hot, but that’s Grindr content. Not content to sell something for. In fact, on my profiles: I have many “selfies” that don’t look like selfies, because I want to portray a professional photography look. At the same time, how can we do that if guys aren’t taking it seriously? When it comes to #2, I’m doing all of that how I can. That’s why I couldn’t rely on RentM for full info because: they could edit out certain things and/or: people skip over it and don’t read. When it comes to #4, hard to tell who’s to contribute. I’m sure it’s been that way long before I was around. In fact, I think just the simple fact of being able to hookup as gays so freely, is probably considered a payment for some. Compared to eras before of stigma, being arrested in a park, gay bashed etc.