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Jokes aside, I don’t feel we as providers need to run our ship 🚢 based on what people feel escorts SHOULD do, nor operate the same way, year after year. If someone wants to receive a nominal “honorarium” (pardon Vin for stealing your word lol) to arrange a session, by all means that’s their personal business. As long as they aren’t scamming or ripping anyone off, there should be no judgement. Theres no rule in the escort Bible saying: “you must answer to all texts and phone calls before receiving payment, even if you have no idea they aren’t just wasting your time and playing the same game with 5 other escorts”. If someone can show me that, then I’ll reconsider it. I feel I’ve done everything I needed to do. Sitting around and answering additional texts for free round the clock, is not one of them. And let’s face it, we’re not selling cars or homes and getting $10,000 commission checks. Like I said before, the pay isn’t enough to take on every client inquiry, unless every text inquiry that ever reached my phone, were certain to actually book. Which like you said; never gonna happen 🤷🏾♂️
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I appreciate it and know you mean well. But there’s not necessarily much else to tell me lol. I made my decision, and of course with your help I can feel better that I don’t have to be FOMO about having my phone number available on RM. I just feel at the end of the day, things are how they are for a reason. I find it ironic that on my own site, people get quicker to the point than those who send messages on RentMen. I come right from the start with what I offer, and what’s needed. I feel RentMen and some of these other sites, don’t do enough along each step to acknowledge that we’re not available for free. It shouldn’t be “do a bunch of work and then I’ll pay you after”. It should be, “I’m booking an Uber, where’s my credit card?” Nobody calls Pizza Hut and keep the person on the phone for 60 minutes, asking how big is the pizza, what’s it include, and then say “I’m not ready to eat yet”. That would be asinine. It’s no reason I should have to be asking friends for money (like I’ve had to do like 3-4 times last month) and then be sitting around answering texts day after day. Those people should be booking and paying the money they pretended they wanted to give me, in the first place. If they aren’t ready to plan a visit or send a deposit when they contact me, there’s no reason I should have to do that for free, with no proof of it actually happening. All that does is leave the door open for them to be a flake, play some bullshit games and then act like they are so innocent…only to do it again and again down the line. Even though the client/escort pool is expansive, I find it’s often the same ones who come back around, playing the same game they played 2 years ago. The industry is actually smaller than it seems.
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Too late, I’ve already updated my website and gone ahead and gone back to requiring $20 to book a consultation for inquiries. I did it earlier this year and it went okay, but going into the holidays where the psycho bullshitters really come out, I’m not hesitating for another day. This is my thing: the information is already posted. My rates are already on my website, what they need to know is also there, pics/dick size etc etc. it’s nothing more information they need other than, “Should I send the deposit on cash app, Venmo or your website” and “this is what I want to get into”. Anything else is just dragging stuff out. And the reason WHY in this particular case I was not having it is because, the area of town this guy was in: I was just in that area shopping and had killed several minutes waiting for another client to confirm. Other client confirms and sends deposit but then immediately has to cancel. But where I stay is a good trek from that area. I’m basically telling him: if you want to meet tonight, I need to know soon. Because once I leave that area of town and head home, I won’t be able to get back up there the same night because it’s too far. Thats like you being in Los Angeles, and having some client tell you he’s interested when you’re about to be headed to Palm Springs. But then takes forever to confirm. And like clockwork, you get back to Palm Springs and he’s like, “R u still available in LA 🤦🏾♂️ On top of that, there’s more to the story. Like I said before, he’s contacted and met me once previously last year. So no need for him to be acting dumb like he needs more information. And this is a message I already told him all the info he needs: Now…he never texted or responded back after that message when I said I’d be available in St. Louis. Now he wants to text me 10 months later and book a visit like I wouldn’t remember: And the only reason he even got the chance to get a reply from me, is because I seen our previous texts. It wasn’t until after he started BSing that I referenced his number and showed he’s ripped off scheduling other providers as well. So it’s not just about paying to be asking for information. I don’t have the capacity to be dealing with nonsense people, nor do I think it’s right that I’m sitting around answering all these texts and not even getting paid minimum wage for it. RentMen isn’t our employer. I have bills getting backed up, because I have a whole phone feed full of messages from piece of shit guys like him, who never manage to book an appointment. I don’t have time for that anymore. THAT is why I am starting to require paying to get info. And I’m glad you’re able to still meet good clients out there with your strategy, but not every place is the same and not every person is treated the same. People just have to recognize inequality in the sex work industry and ACKNOWLEDGE it, period. It doesn’t have to go into politics or race, but just recognize there’s inequality in the business. Some clients may treat other providers differently, than perhaps someone like yourself. You may attract a better clientele by not showing your number, than someone who’s client base is looking for quick big dicks, without any hurdles (aka, texting and not paying a deposit, and getting to flake whenever they feel like it).
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I’m just over the mixed messages. They try to sugar coat it by saying they only made an inquiry and didn’t book a time. When in reality they asked for an appointment, but didn’t hold up their end of it. Simple as that. It doesn’t take making a time/place, etc (which as you can see, was done with other providers and still fell thru). I can understand an inquiry just looking at pics and asking a question. But a late night text asking if I can come to his hotel is a solicitation for something taking place. If they don’t think much of it, they’re a piece of shit. It’s like, if that person didn’t want the booking: why even go out your way to contact and invite me? That is just so tacky. It’s delusional to “line me up” by making an inquiry and then claim to have no intent to follow thru on it.
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Dude claiming to have contacted me today for just an inquiry 🤦🏾♂️ Then later he’s talking about: Meanwhile, I’m being made out to seem like I’m crazy despite what others saying 🤦🏾♂️ I’m just at a point, I’m tired of this shit. I don’t have time for childish, insincere, indecisive, inconsiderate, uncooperative, unreliable…list goes on. To make it so bad, this person actually booked me ONCE before. So it’s like, he should already know the drill. Why not just ask me out like a NORMAL FUCKING PERSON and book a session, or say: hey Jarrod I am coming to xxx and want to book for xxx date. Jesus, Jesus, Jesus 🤦🏾♂️ take the wheel. I am going back to charging $10-$20 to be contacted for “inquiries” again, effective tonight. I’ve wasted my time 3 times already in the last 24 hours dealing with nonsense like this. Some of these clients out here think we are a free conversation piece and expect us to sit around and wait for them to make decisions with no sort of commitment. As if I have nothing better to do with my life, than to wait on them to “possibly” get back to me. This is another reason I can’t wait to get out of my current market (full of flaky, indecisive dudes who love to harass escorts as free entertainment and MIGHT book IF and only IF they get to waste your time a few times over a course of a couple years, and have the patience of a saint to not go off or block them 🤦🏾♂️ , but I find this is a big American issue almost everywhere. I’m also writing a letter to rentmen and RentMasseur asking if they can start charging clients to contact/get our number. So when it happens, you can thank me later 🎤 ✌A deposit isn’t enough. These people need to go thru 3rd party or pay before reaching us. The ease of them to bullshit and play games is way out of control.
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I just need to say as well: this type of advice needs to be addressed and moderated (hint hint). It’s one thing to have an opinion or preference, it’s entirely different when making generalizations that’s not true. Especially when you throw in guarantee in the mix. You’ve gone beyond a preference and basically just make an incorrect (borderline slanderous) suggestion about providers who charge deposits. Even though this is a forum where opinions are welcome and exchanged, I don’t think that’s a pass to start throwing out potentially damaging assessments based on…bad apples. As I’ve said before: there’s plenty stories I can tell of clients getting ripped off without a deposit. Even with cash. I’ve seen it right before my eyes. There’s also plenty stories I can tell of clients who send deposits and flake themselves. By denigrating everyone who charges deposits, you’re basically perpetuating the discrimination and prejudice towards sex workers, by making us out like to be frauds and scammers. And that does nothing to fuel decrim that would help bring about a more honest and safe exchange: which would like you said, help facilitate a society where one CAN be free to contact police if a client or provider ever ends up in a potentially harmful situation.
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Oh you mean like: But at the end of the day, I don’t have time for all that. People like this detract from the overall purpose of being in the business. Like I said earlier, I don’t mind sending them away if they always have an excuse. Even though I didn’t go out of my way or lift a finger, as I didn’t without a deposit: If I did make arrangements, that would have been setting my whole afternoon, booking a room only for him to never get back to me. And that’s why I don’t do it. I understand where you’re coming from but, at the end of the day: people don’t necessarily treat us with the customer service values you harp on. Also, unlike other industries: we’re not obligated to act in perfect smiling, no confrontation, take the abuse. They do that for the greater image of the company and to make the brand, name and superiors look good. RentM isn’t an employer so therefore, we set our own rules and boundaries. I’ve also said before: some areas deposits are more required than others. In cities where people tend to be habitual flakers/stand ups/or risky inquiries (Kansas City/St. Louis, Dallas/Houston, Tampa, Indianapolis, Phoenix to name a few), I wouldn’t dare work without a deposit. Matter fact, I did work in all those cities without deposits, and experienced lot of nonsense and wasting of money believing clients would show up or other clients would book if another flaked. And that’s why I don’t do it. But it’s a select few others that I could trust clients to come thru either by genuine sincerity or lack of other options in abundance. Even then, I try to still mention it. Trying to go back to doing business without doing any deposits, is not something I’m willing to go back to. Right, and I often say: for every 1 time a client has been ripped off, multiply that by 10 for the escorts..
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For once, I actually concur with you But on a serious and less “harsh” note than you stated: I think there’s other reasons for it as well. I can give an example; couple years or so ago: I had a first time client want to come to a place I was hosting…but it was a shared 3 family home (common in the Midwest and places like Denver, where there is one big home with 1 entrance, but 3 or 4 separate residences…which I will never ever live in again unless it’s an actually townhome style like I’ve seen in St. Louis and DC). Well, as he was walking up…the neighbor girl and her boyfriend and another woman were downstairs out on the porch with a dog. The client had to make a long trek from the street to the front door of the house. Meanwhile, these people are outside wondering who this large, older White dude in a suit was walking towards the door. It’s not that I am judging the client’s look or feel some type of way about him…but things like that are why it can be helpful to know what someone looks like. And let’s face the facts: there’s many clients who don’t host (or will have me pull into their garage, so nobody will see, which I HIGHLY suggest against for safety and other reasons) because they don’t want their neighbors to see who’s coming. We should be able to reserve that right too. If I had known what he looked like, I would have told him to wait until the coast is clear, or simply scheduled him at a later time. But like I said, it was the wrong type of place to host anyway. And it’s not just that. As you’ll be able to see from this iPhone conversation: My reason for asking deposit is because, I’m not about to be waiting around on indecisive people all day to figure out what they can do. This is the EXACT reason why I continue to do so. This guy sent a deposit before, but then didn’t want to send another because he wasn’t sure. But yet I’m supposed to wait around for 5-6 hours expecting an appointment, only for him to NCNS? and then today: Deal with this shit a few times, and from people like this over and over and over again: eventually you learn to start asking for deposits and don’t waste time making any concessions for the ones who find an excuses not to.
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I suppose…I guess it’s all in the delivery. I think when the client heard deposit and picture, it may have come off wrong way. I usually don’t require both. But many don’t have an issue volunteering. And of course, sending/receiving a pic is by no means an automatic pass of screening. People send pics that aren’t even them, and make up whole lies. So it’s really not something to bank on solely.
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But there was no implication that the provider only wanted to see hot clients. He just asked for a photo. I don’t see anything wrong with that. Every time a person in the United States buys liquor, cigarettes, gets entry into a club or bar: they have to show an ID. That’s regardless of whether they are an adult or “can pay with cash” (The non deposit client’s favorite line). Our biz should be no different. Some providers aren’t into straight up blind “dates”. Especially in this age of hookup apps that many clients are already on…there’s no excuse to not include a pic if asked. Even the most straightest of married clients have no problem with this. Again, it’s all about different providers having different ways of working. It’s not 1996 anymore (I was too young but…I know it was around 😂 where you could just show up with just a voice and cash. Those days are gone. Nobody wants to just “find out when they show up”. At least not me. People have gotten stabbed, murdered, beaten, shot, robbed…Nobody should feel compelled to lower their standards in order to take that risk. I don’t judge a client’s looks but: if I have the option to not know who’s coming versus know who I’m meeting: I’m choosing the latter. But it’s not a requirement necessarily, more of a suggestion that shouldn’t be considered a red flag 🚩 it should be a red flag if THEY have an issue, and they KNOW the provider is legit. That’s the truth of the matter.
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Cities with the hardest clientele, and why is it…
TallMuscl37 replied to TallMuscl37's topic in Questions About Hiring
Yeah, Charlotte doesn’t even sound like a place to do *ex work. Sounds like a place to go to church, eat some soul food and sell Girl Scout cookies 😆 But the reality is, it can be a sketchy area and there’s still a lot of residual “servitude” mentality out there. My last time thru NC was in 2019. I booked one cool client in Raleigh (he sent deposit), the rest were flakes. I skipped Charlotte. Think last time I stopped there was 2017/18. I don’t think it’s a mafia, I just think it’s like I said: something they are watching on the news, hearing in church, conversing with their friends. You can include Kansas City in that bracket as well. So much so that, I’m literally ready to leave everything behind and go. Every time I come back here from travel, I find myself in a tight financial situation…and I live here 🤦🏾♂️ Just last weekend I was at the mall, feeling like a million dollars after having 3 good clients. Went to a fancy watch shop, went to GNC, treated my friends to dinner. And now I feel like a peasant again because I come home and not a single client has booked 😞 No matter how many clients I reach out to, few can give a solid YES to booking without some extenuating drama in this town. It’s borderline anxiety inducing. For example today: And here it is now, 9:30 at night…and no word back 🤦🏾♂️ It’s like, it never fails. The good thing is, there’s still cities…medium markets that are okay. I won’t name them, but many providers don’t travel there and have no idea they exist. They usually are a couple hours drive away from the main cities that every escort and their mother, flocks to. Places like Charlotte, Kansas City, Tampa, Denver, San Diego, Portland, areas of Texas…they all have too many sex workers working, yet the people can be so uptight and STINGY (yes, I said it and not taking it back lol) that…it’s almost not worth really making trips unless you have lots of time to burn and/or low overheads. And I can even deal with the timewasters in smaller markets more because, they usually are the “you’re so hot I can’t believe you’re here” crowd. I get their curiosity but it’s generally better than the ones who seem to act as if they can call any escort, and I’m just a number. -
Meh, I disagree to an extend. No proof of a red flag 🚩 If that were true, clients on RentMasseur and RentM who show their photos should also be red flags. Obviously they’re doing it for a reason, they want the provider to know what they look like. What’s wrong with that? Granted, I don’t necessarily always ask or need a photo. But if I ask what their physical description is and they send one, it shouldn’t be a bad thing. Only caveat is: some may include pics of their “frontal areas” but it can end up being bigger than what the picture represents. Not a bottom but, always good to be prepared just in case I feel like being vers 😆
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Seeing this post on a different airwave in another space 🪐: I feel similar about some other cities. It’s like, the phone will be going off and people reaching out: but they never manage to book. They just TAG YOU’RE IT and then run away. Or it’s a “catch me now when I’m horny and you’re least prepared, if not: I’ll contact you next time” which often means: 2 years from now. Regardless if I charge a deposit or not (which was the whole reason of doing so in the first place). And it’s not just 1 or 2, but in DROVES. Meanwhile, I can go to a different city just 3-4 hours away and be okay. Just experienced that last week. I went the whole of October with nothing but flakes and no goes, then I finally decided to take a short trip and booked 3 within a couple days before the month was out. It makes me wonder, is it stuff on the news 🗞️ , or something they’re hearing in church making them behave that way? Sometimes I like to watch the news in cities, and the ones with the most odd crimes (especially when often showing ethnic people) tend to be the cities with the hardest clients to book. I notice this often in cities that lack diversity or have populations equal in number to Black/White. It’s like, they say things have changed but, seems like sex work is the last place to receive it. And as it should, considered we’re still not officially decrim, despite segregation, being gay, and gay marriage have passed those milestones. It’s just bizarre. Sometimes I feel like saying to them: you don’t HAVE to look for sex workers if it’s not something you want to do. I appreciate it but, it’s neither a need for you or a need from me. It should be a mutually agreeable thing. And an understanding that a price/deposit isn’t an expression of worth or a direct attack on theirs. And that’s what I refer to when I say: imagine one of those commenters ended up having to move to one of those bad cities either mistakenly or against their will/choice? It’s easy to see how that could equate to probable financial ruin
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I still stand by my decision to require deposits, despite what may have been shared here. I also have a hard time believing someone who says they’ve never been asked for a deposit. I’m sorry, no offense, but unless someone is only contacting a certain type of provider…I just can’t see it. You can’t tell me you’ve asked a provider to come see you from an hour or 2, maybe even: visiting from halfway around the country away: and not been asked a deposit. I don’t believe it. If so: just say you’ve never asked to see a provider further than a few blocks away or, one who wasn’t ALREADY in attendance or visiting wherever you may have also been in attendance. I know this topic been discussed to death, but I never get tired of talking about it though. I’m still willing to defend deposits as much as needed, even if I don’t need to. I’m also willing to accept exceptions: considering last week I did take 2 bookings without a deposit, however one was an outcall to a clients hotel very close to where I was staying, and the other ran into me in person after having prior seen my ad. I have even heard clients tell me they don’t do deposits, but then later learn they have a cash app or Venmo account. And have even later paid be thru that method. If the business ever moves into official Decrim, and/or if things continue online: I highly believe deposits would become the norm. I’ve already made deposits part of my website, there’s not much stopping other sites like RentM from making that a feature, and simply branding it as “pay for a pornstar”. So, don’t be surprised…if it ever happens. My thing is: for every person who talks about deposits, I rarely ever see a legitimate reason why one can’t. I’ve know people send deposits by all means: cash in mail (in fact a former member of this forum even offered to do so with me, but at the time: things were “different” and I told him I would settle upon arrival), other means are western Union, Moneygram, cash app, Venmo, etc etc. If someone is going to pay for something, what difference does it make whether they pay a portion ahead anyway? And then, some people expect to do the deed and pay afterwards. By the time you do all that, you basically got the person for free, and can pull a gun out on them and tell them to get the fuck out…technically. What’s stopping you from doing that. Morals? Okay…so all clients have morals is what you’re saying, including the ones who no show, or fake appointment requests? Only to not respond and then do the same shit two years later, only to not respond again, do the same shit again the next year, and the next year, and the year after? 🤷🏾♂️ People need to get to a better mindset in this industry. So many people equate asking for any money upfront as a scam, or a sign of the provider not having money, etc etc. Time out for that. It’s a bit selfish and condescending to make as if the provider should shoulder all the initial responsibility of getting to/providing a place to host. Someone is going to end up alone or in a worse predicament. Case in point: one of the clients I seen the other day, paid a couple guys. I don’t think they asked for deposits: but his story was, he paid one guy $1,000 for the night and only got 2 hours before the guy got “tired”. He ended up booking with me later on. Overall: The big issue is, clients in 2023 and even particularly in some areas: have become more flakier than ever. Unless a provider works only from home, doesn’t travel or do Outcalls and possibly has another stream of revenue: deposit may not be needed. Or, if you’re in a city or neighborhood where things are relatively within close range…It may also not be required. But not every escort has the same situation. Like for me, I often have to travel to the next city or state, FEW STATES away to see clients. I would be foolish to do that without at least mentioning deposits. If when I arrive I have the luxury to be flexible, I won’t. But I also feel it’s fair to require the same standards from all clients, and even hosting a client without asking a deposit: has caused issues for me; guys who pretend they are showing up around noon, and then I book the room an extra night and they don’t show, or people who show up with no/less money than agreed. Even have had walk outs and no pay after offering services. The provider is always in the position of carrying the heavier burden, than the client. Even if you stand the chance to lose $50-$100: the provider can be losing $150-$300 per session for every flaky client. Just like for me last month, I counted up about $2,000 in fraudulent bookings, from clients who requested appointments but failed to follow thru. I hope each one gets the karma they deserve…
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Well I’m not asking for the world to change for “us”. I’m moreso asking for understanding and respect, accountability and reliability from those who initiate contact. It’s not a distant fantasy, it just takes the will to ask and command it. If I were to take your stance, and just be perpetually “unbothered”, then I would have never taken the steps to create a website, start asking for deposits, stop taking phone calls at random out the blue and having my time wasted, list goes on. I’d probably be just like some other advertisers: letting clients flake on them or never reporting the repeat offenders to the proper channels. And those same guys don’t really take the business serious either so: you have both sides just playing games with each other. Not everybody operates that way. You can’t just give 2 options and take it or leave it. Sometimes it takes some standing up from oneself, and part of doing that is letting people know: if you contact me and don’t reply/respond, don’t expect me to continue being willing to offer my services to you. And I don’t have to say that in silence. I don’t have a problem letting them know I’m burning their bridge, if they have proven in previous correspondence to be disingenuous. Because if I don’t, they are liable to come around and do it again, as I’ve posted evidence in photos in this thread: and that “unbothered” attitude that you suggest, opens the door for them to mess me around again. They’re not paying or would be paying until they actually book a session or send a deposit at the very least. Beyond that, they’re nobody until they have actually shown a vested interest. Sex work can be a very intimate industry but also one full of adversaries. A person who who doesn’t respect my time or blows me off isn’t a bother to me. It’s simply an indication that the person is a potential enemy and I need to prevent or stop meeting them. At the end of the day, it’s my soul and my energy I’m lending to these guys. If they can’t show respect to me before even meeting me, or they have met me and continue to show disrespect: they have no business in my space. And I have no problem telling them that. That’s not being perpetually frustrated, that’s communicating boundaries and showing others that they can’t treat sex workers like nobodies just because it doesn’t have the same standards of other businesses.
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Halloween tricks or treats with a provider?
TallMuscl37 replied to BananaBagel's topic in Questions About Hiring
Wish I could say so but Halloween night/weekend is one of slowest days of year by clockwork. Had 3 bookings Wednesday to Friday but then dead ever since. Crossing fingers 🤞🏾 for November because, this October has to be one of my least profitable I can remember in awhile. Seems like all clients have gone ghost 👻 Boo 😒 -
Provider in Houston robbed me- what to do next
TallMuscl37 replied to + glycine's topic in Questions About Hiring
“The two met at Caesars Palace on Friday, Oct. 13, The victim gave McNally the code to the safe, and she stored her purse there with his personal belongings, including $50,000 in cash and $7,000 worth of casino chips, the report stated.” I’m just rolling my eyes throughout the story reading this. First of all, he trusted a new woman direct access to his money. #1 mistake. Then gave the code and shared the safe, #2. It’s a safe for a reason. And #3 doing it on Friday the 13th, which is just bad juju to begin with lol. I feel bad when people make mistakes, but it also upsets me. It paints sex workers in a negative light which further criminalizes us. But he is every much responsible for this, as she is. He should have never trusted his money around that chick in the first place. And it’s just more sad because men trust White men and women escorts more, and hire them sometimes over Black providers, thinking they are angels. It’s not true. They’ll rob you blind like anybody else. So, hopefully he learned his lesson. But that woman is also foolish, because every casino in Las Vegas has a million cameras, you’re literally being filmed from the time you drive up, to the time you walk into your hotel room. And that can be several hundred feet of walking and recording lol. I learned that from a good poster here @not2rowdy when we used to meet in Las Vegas lol. Matter of fact, she also shouldn’t have stored her purse in the safe at all. Suppose the client got mad at her at the event, ditched her, changed the key card and tossed her purse? This is all stuff I’ve learned from years of experience in the biz. Like I said before, any and everything you can imagine: I’ve had it happen. I wouldn’t trust anybody I’ve just met with personal belongings. That’s another example of: how you can get robbed whether you pay a deposit or not. He would have had better luck just using Venmo. -
Dahmer? Extra precautions after watching it?
TallMuscl37 replied to marylander1940's topic in Questions About Hiring
And this is the thing; in my experience…most of the sketch situations one can come across, are hookups and cruising for free type situations. This includes Grindr, gay bars, cruising in parks, etc. Anonymity in these situations can be the fuel. Asking a guy to pay, tends to weed out some of the common riff raff in itself. But these days I often notice, people…at least in the Midwest, don’t seem to be as open to going or bringing someone back home. That’s one thing I don’t like about going out, it’s hard to meet someone and then go home with each other. Everybody so uptight out here. I feel many guys out here are afraid of being robbed or hurt if they bring a Black guy home. When I’ve gone out to California, I don’t have that issue. And never accept a burger from a stranger (no offense to a member here who has a clown handle lol). Reminds me of a client I knew who has various taxidermy animals decorating his home. Probably had a shotgun in every room too. Fortunately never felt unsafe around him but, can only imagine what would happen if the wrong escort tried to rob him 🤷🏾♂️ -
Are you in soma as in San Francisco? I could see that, considering too the nature of the COL. I know when I did visit SF, all my bookings were okay with 300+. Part of why I offer tier level sessions, is to give people the option. I know $300 is a lot to pay just for a massage. So I try to still offer sessions for 150/200. It’s not $500 but it helps. I just don’t like when people try to expect that to be the rate for ALL things. At the end of the day, $200 is not a profitable rate for the volume I see. People don’t always understand, $150 is okay if I’ve had 2-3 bookings at my $250-$400 rate, and I just want to offer an easy, not hanging from the chandelier type of session. $150 is not something I’m going to leave my neighborhood, drive to town, or possibly get a hotel for if that’s the only call I’ve gotten all week. But some cities, specially small market towns: they’re stuck on the 2001 rate of $100/$200 forever. And I know the whole country is annoyed at prices going up for everything, some even taking it out on sex workers by boycotting us: even though we have nothing to do with it. But, we’re not immune. I’m even trying to do my part, by lessening my expenses so I don’t have to charge clients too much. I still have older car with no car payment, I’m booking affordable hotels, I’m not renting the most expensive apartment. But it’s costing me more by default, just due to less people booking. My expenses stayed the same, bookings went down 🤷🏾♂️
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Right, but my thing is this: I feel on this board; for obvious reasons, people take the clients point of view faster than the other. And I know if this were a grade school (and by no means relating what we do to minors, BIG disclaimer lol), you’re probably the “lenient” teacher. The mean teacher doesn’t take bullshit from anyone (and no I don’t want to be a teacher, atleast not for anyone under 21 lol). I’m not mean but, similar to a teacher I had from Toronto: The kids knew they couldn’t get over on him because even though he was nice, he was not going to tolerate the nonsense. I would like to turn the tables a bit: what if an escort contacted a client, say: from seeing them view their profile. Escort says verbatim what fake client said: “hey I would like to see you blah blah blah and I’m staying at the Hilton hotel in blah blah city. Would you like an appointment tonight. If so, how much are you willing to pay?” And what if after client replied back, escort doesn’t respond? How would a client feel about that? And then 2 months later, escort contacts client again…no mention of ghosting on the last inquiry, only to do it AGAIN. Am I supposed to just sit back and say, “oop, it’s just inquiries”. And the audacity of him to then say, “I should have gotten the hint that his schedule changed”. It’s no excuse for that shitty behavior. I know some people can just brush it off and move on but, when I’m already dealing with similar shit multiple times a week…I don’t have patience for it. And then he wanted to say: “I’m blocking you”. Well by all means, do me a favor! I don’t want people who think it’s okay to ghost and not respond, contacting me anymore with fake bookings to begin with. I feel this is partly why ” potentials “ get away with their bad behavior these days. Maybe other providers don’t hold them accountable like I do. Many seem to be shocked and surprised. Yes, I am going to call them out for flaking. I’m not a customer call center. They already know a lot about me before contacting. Many of the flaky inquiries come because like you say: the chronically disorganized, etc. I even have clients who will admit, “I know I flaked last time, or “sorry for being flaky”. I respect their honesty and acknowledgement and willing to give them another chance. I don’t respect those who do it again and again and feel they did nothing to inconvenience , or make it seem like I’m not owed anything. Thanks much for telling your side! That compelled me more to not be FOMO about my decision. Lately I go from having my number up certain times of day, and taking it down during others. The kicker is, I have a separate ad phone…so I can technically turn off/silence my ad phone at any given time. But even just responding to messages I do receive, having a 2nd phone isn’t enough. And I don’t want to leave all the setting up to my booking assistant. He mainly just helps with lodging, safety, travel, reminders about bookings, etc. However, I’m at the edge of basically giving him access to handle all my initial booking requests. But I feel it’s only fair the client gets to reach me directly. But the abuse of that is wearing thin. So, I may remove my number if I’m busy with projects, family or friend’s outings, etc. I’m just still old school to where, a text or call would come thru and save the day. Unfortunately I don’t have it in me to take calls out the blue anymore. I sometimes worry I’m missing clients, because I used to answer the phone that way. But unless I’m in a hotel room or on tour, I just don’t have the inclination. A text is the initial “hello I want to book” I prefer. I don’t mind talking on the phone, but I need to do it when I’m ready and have an appointment.
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Based on what he said, it wasn’t neither of the above…but rather that his schedule changes at the drop of a dime and yadda yadda yadda and that’s why he couldn’t get back. Which…has nothing to do with me or my response time. Anyone who sends an email should not anticipate or expect immediate availability based on that. It’s simply not the platform for that. If he wanted ASAP attention, he would have done like one of my good client friends on here has done previously: sent the deposit, got my attention, and then texted to inform that deposit was sent. You don’t have to keep making excuses for someone’s lack of courtesy. I’m also not going to take the blame for someone else’s failure to properly use the available features of contacting me either the day prior or with reasonable notice. Why is he emailing me at 8 a.m., is the question I want you know. And I specifically remember that week he contacted: Yet another client in that town contacted me a day prior, requested a session via text, sent his deposit, and all was well. So it’s not a race of who responds the fastest. Some people are just full of shit. I know that’s hard to fathom, but it is what it is. That’s why I ask deposits. And again as I’ve explained to someone else: my particular market is not conducive to being an escort. Just because I mention a number doesn’t imply lack of interest. I often have to turn down many bookings because they want to pay me a rate that escorts used to do back in 2002 (before I even was an escort). If I were to charge $100, I would probably have more than 1 client this month. Problem is, $100 doesn’t make me any money…and lot of the $100 clients are lousy planners, flaky/last minute, wait two years between contacting, etc. I’m not just some guy trying this out looking for my next fix. I know my worth, and what I bring to the table. Unfortunately, some markets are infiltrated with cheap opportunistic guys who don’t want to pay for s*x. They’ll spend $80,000 on a pickup truck, but won’t give $300 for an experience.
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Well that may have been a case of: why use RentMasseur email, instead of texting me directly (and this is even with my number being up at the time), if the booking request was time sensitive? I did my part by responding back, he didn’t. Then he waited from August until October to get back to me with a 2nd booking request. So for me to reply the next day is pretty generous compared to his 2 month delay. I also replied back the same day the 2nd time he contacted me, no response. First he emailed and then texted me. That’s why my booking assistant was like: why the fuck didn’t you reply back after sending him a booking request? That’s just shady and sketchy all around. And he didn’t even say, “Hey I tried to connect with you in Tulsa back in August”. It was simply his sending me a lousy email and text on the day of, trying to request a booking in a whole different town. If he was really invested, he would have put more effort in reaching me the day prior or so. Which doesn’t require much effort, just courtesy. Which he failed to give me, instead wanted to argue about how busy he is. Goodbye 👋🏽
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When I receive a booking like that, I usually know it’s good to go. However, some of the ones I mentioned just say something like “This morning” or “tonight”. Not necessarily specific times but, many of escorts will often think, “oh great I have a client tonight”…only to have all of the above go on. I still say RentM should start letting us write our own message in the phone number section. The generic, “my name is Jarrod, say you seen me on RentM” needs to be replaced with something pertinent to the hour and day at hand. Then again, this is why I have my own site with all those details. I’ll be waiting awhile if I waited for other sites to update their features.
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Funny you mention this because, there’s a former escort who told me he went into fleet sales. And I’m “almost” considering going into car type of sales myself since I know the automotive industry pretty well. But…I feel car salesmen get a bad rap, and idk if I want to go into another industry that relies on commissions. If I do, I would want to select a brand that I know I wouldn’t have an issue selling to the market it’s trying to sell to lol.
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