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Well, are we talking people or specifically the gay culture? I find gay culture tends to have its own narrative and dynamics of racism. This is more common in some cities than others though. I occasionally hear about White/Latino gays being a victim of a crime and the perpetrator was Black. Further investigation or “getting to know” the person shows said person is either a regular drunk in public (thus saying or acting in irresponsible ways to make oneself vulnerable to violence), or they have little discernment for the type of Black men they go for, usually finding whoever online and bringing them home, and then talking about how they got robbed. You’re on to something, but those generalizations are a bit steep. Don’t fall into the trap of believing and manifesting certain things to be true. It’s simply not. I have met more than a few White “providers” who were attractive but never took off in the biz. They were in it for a few months, then vanished. Not that I have all the answers or reasons for it, but it just goes to show. I have also have dealt with the occasional hate from non-Black friends over the years who are subconsciously unsupportive of me being a provider. Meanwhile they were giving it up to every Tom, Dick and Hairy for nothing. The one thing I have seen to be true, is that White guys tend to have it easier when it comes to sugar daddies and longer arrangements. I’ve even seen first hand how some of these “tricks” operate (and I don’t refer to them as clients because they aren’t looking to pay for actual services…moreso they pay for the attachment they want to keep with the individual). I’ve seen many be available at a White friend’s beck and call, but then blow me off and ignore me any other time. Or even downright disrespect me. And the friend would be every much part of the scheme, bad mouthing and talking shit or making out like I’m living a freeloading lifestyle. Just like a guy in Denver I know: after my friend passed away, the guy would talk and text me everything from start to finish, including how he gave him thousands of dollars over the course of time and that’s why he believes someone close to him (in this case, a White woman) overdosed him on bad drugs and took all the money. He did a couple nice things at the time, but he couldn’t even give me $100 if I asked. People like that are everything that’s wrong with the scene. I knew him, before he ever met him. And he knew me when he was around too. Yet he had no real concern about my circumstances.

Speaking of prices and wine: I was at a restaurant the week before last, and ordered the larger ounce choice of Chardonnay from the bar while my food was waiting. I was trying not to ask, “how much” but I wish I did. When the bill came, it was $19 😆 I coulda swore I was getting half bottle, because it wasn’t like rare vintage per se. Just a popular upper shelf grocery-available wine. I was charged for the whole bottle plus some. So I understand sticker shock. And I’ve said before: Sales and people trying to sell me stuff is not in my nature, if I want something I’ll buy it. Coming to me making me feel like I need something, just isn’t me. And I never want to make clients feel that way. I want them to feel relaxed and okay with my rates and UNDERSTAND that I need to charge such prices because: $50-$125 is only enough to pay a bill and leaves nothing to keep myself invested in the biz and sustainable. I don’t herd enough cats in one day to make charging that price efficient for a first time, possibly one time client. I have met long time regulars as low as $150/200 for sessions that I’d normally ask $300 for. It’s not negotiating, it’s just weighing the costs and effort involved. If someone I’ve known for 10 years is a short distance away and is hosting, treating to dinner, etc etc and I know only wants 20-30 minutes AND let’s me ***k his partner…okay, maybe I can do something different then I normally would because: the dynamic is different and I know it’s likely to be repeat. But even they also know: normally it’s 250-300, but I used to stay at their air bnb for 2-3 days and get a paid the session so: I don’t mind being accommodating based on their changed circumstances. But that’s at my discretion versus: well I did XXX, so I don’t think you deserve XXX.

No, I censored out some of the conversation where I included rates in the same email

Thanks for letting me know you didn’t read the first post. But since you asked: I’ll say it again: See where I did that? That was the first response I sent. I even have it in my initial text template. So yes, there is an instant questioning of confirming they’ve read my site. In defense of clients: I have emailed RentMen and told them: when people click on our NUMBER, let us customize a message to include, instead of the standard “ask for XXX and say you seen me on rentmen” I want to be able to write a whole paragraph and make sure they check a box after every . to understand fully my ad before contacting me. That way I’m not having to do all the extra stuff. It would look something like this: BEFORE TEXTING, PLEASE AGREE TO ALL TERMS BELOW: #1: Please be ready to give me 1 to 2 hours minimum notice or preferably day in advance. ✅ # 2: I require a deposit unless you are hosting and have a profile/pic ✅ #3: My rates are $200-$300 per session ✅ 4. Please check this box again to agree you have read all terms. Any visits cancelled last minute subject to $50-$100 cancellation fee ✅ 5. Check this box again to agree you will not argue/be passive aggressive about my deposit or booking policy ✅ Thanks for following directions valued client. I can’t wait to meet you! Here’s my number (xxx) xxx-xxxx

Beautiful dissertation, my friend. I will say: I have come to evolve away from race being the underlying reasoning or factor to everything when it relates to sex work. And I’ve also come to just understand and accept it for what it is. I know I’m not going to be everyone’s preference. I just came back from a 2 month tour, where I drove from Kansas City to San Diego. I met all types of clients from White, to Latino, Middle East, Black, even Asian. I even got hired at a 4som where the other 2 guys were White/Latino and the client was White. It worked out great, the client even paid my whole fee upfront as a deposit. I was sitting on my friend’s beachfront patio when I was like: gotta go, I have an appointment now 😆 I know there’s a lot in the news and media about race, even in Kansas City the shooting event. It doesn’t surprise me: the last thing I would want to do is knock on the wrong White, Black or Hispanic man’s home. Halloween is only once a year, any other time: it’s a safety risk. That’s why I: shock/horror, ASK FOR DEPOSITS BECAUSE LAST THING I’D WANT IS TO BE SENT TO A WRONG NEARBY NEIGHBORS HOME…THIS HAS HAPPENED IN THE PAST. I think what is true though, White guys likely get a bigger market to work with, and can probably more easily work in many markets: whereas I have to pick and choose which cities I do. I’ve always said: cities that have more than 25-30% Black population are often troublesome for me at some point. I’m living that nightmare now in Missouri. Most the clients flake, they don’t want to pay, disrespectful, unreliable, inconsiderate. Except for a select few, who Thank Gawd, I wish they were all that way. I see it when I go out on the town: They make Black clientele wait in long lines in the club, and close them early. Unfortunately the shootings and fighting amongst Blacks in the city doesn’t make it any better. Some don’t even set an example for respect. Idk why that is but, I feel when men with money are always having plethora of guys looking for the same bag, which often tends to be in such cities (Atlanta, Houston, Chicago as examples), things get dicey. I will say though, my background is a mix of Black, White and Latin America so: I do catch an array of clients. But at the end of the day, like you said about #4…#4 could be anybody. Being nice and honest pays off. I may not be the type to smile and walk away from every cancellation/flake: but that’s called having a backbone and establishing boundaries.

I’ll explain the issue, once again: #1: MY PRICES ARE ON MY AD/WEBSITE #2: Asking me in the first place, shows the person didn’t bother to read my profile, he probably sends the same message to 10 other providers. #3: Yes, saying I’m too expensive for HIM…is essentially undervaluing my service. Even If he didn’t send the same message to 10 other guys, then why waste my time sending me a long drawn out message, IF you aren’t prepared to pay whatever price. If a price is that much of a burden for you, then don’t step up to the plate so assertively as if you are interested in my services. Why did I even need to read all that bullshit, instead of him just saying what he can afford. If he was going to be that audacious, he should have just included: I read your site and seen your ad but I can’t afford it. Can you offer me a lower price? I would have said fuck off, or: let me see what I can do for you. Thats akin to clients saying they get annoyed when a provider asks for a deposit and doesn’t say it upfront in his ad. It’s just the reverse. How would you like, if I walked up to your house…said I love it, want to buy it, and plant a nice yard: how much are you selling it for? Then I say: never mind, too expensive. Thanks. I’m not stupid and I wasn’t born yesterday. I know bullshit when I see it. No. again; you’re operating in the affirmative. You ASSUME that me asking that is an opening to negotiation. I’m not saying, “oh you think it’s too much? Maybe I can lower it for you”. I’m simply saying: “If you have the balls enough to say I’m overpriced, you should be man enough to say how much you can afford”.

Not necessarily. I’d be curious about how much he thinks a service would be, just like he’s curious how much I charge. If he says something lower than what I want to accept, I won’t be insulted. I’ll either be open to agree or know that he’s not someone I want to see. But hitting someone up at random and hoping they say something that fits a budget, is not conducive. Wasting your time, and my time, and giving me double work because I spend hours crafting my rates and to still ask despite it being up… I should have just ignored him from day 1 because it already sounds sketchy. That was my mistake.

I agree with everything up until… Walk away and move on? This isn’t an art crawl. If someone has all the info at their sight and still comes around disrespectful, they deserve to get whatever reaction. This has been discussed on the forum as well, about other providers popping off on those who play the naive role. I have more respect for someone who says, “I’m broke, I don’t make enough to afford you”, than to say I’m overpriced. Overpriced what? The same price hikes that has hit everyone else with regular jobs, has no spared escorts who have to PAY…. PAY TO ADVERTISE AND WORK. For example, a guy who seen me first at my regular rate…I reached out to see if he wanted to rebook. He admitted he had an unexpected tax bill and couldn’t meet. I offered him my return client promotion, and he came and seen me.

Right, but there’s a difference between: I can’t afford it, and “you’re too expensive FOR ME”. Well who said my life and finances relied on what he thinks about my prices? Words are everything. I just came back from 2 months tour. I mostly charged the same from Denver to Arizona to San Diego. However, I do find in the Midwest, South and Florida…seems like rate and deposit resistant is a bit higher than in other areas. However, I will also say I am moving away from the “cheaper area=charge less, more expensive area =charge more”. Hell, in Kansas City they have Ocean prime downtown that charges $20-$40 for a glass of wine, they have sporting events charging thousands of dollars, and there’s huge homes in various communities. I’m going to charge the same here, as I did in San Diego last month. And I’ll charge the same in Washington DC as I would in Minneapolis. Being an escort still costs me the same regardless. People who talk about, “guys around here charge XXX” are delusional and have no concept of the individuality and independence that sex work affords.

No, that wouldn’t quite be what I would expect. It’s not an invitation to lowball offers. You catch get the point. What I’m saying is: Instead of coming to me asking me to do this, this, and that and then ask what I charge, if that person already KNOWS, what they can afford...then they need to also include that. Either in the first or second message. Theres nothing wrong with that. It’s not haggling. That then gives me the opportunity to accept or decline. I’ll be less offended by someone tactfully saying what they can afford: not TELLING ME what they can give me, ASKING me and then adding that WITH what they are looking for. There’s a difference. And then to add, “it’s too expensive, out of my league, etc.” that’s just unnecessary commentary. By saying too expensive, a person is saying I don’t know my worth, and I don’t know what I should charge. It’s basically gaslighting me into thinking: maybe I need to lower my rates. Maybe I am too expensive. In reality it’s just bad etiquette on their part. And then when I responded back: how much are you looking to afford? He doesn’t even reply back. So he has no idea what he wants. I hope you read my original post well 🤔 The site was RentMasseur. It shows rates on RentMasseur. My ad also has a link to my website with a full crafted menu of rates and my deposit info. It’s right in front of his fucking face. So to ASK ME, and then TELL ME I’m too expensive, is blatantly bullshitting because the info is right in front of his face. You don’t have to look far to find it. If you can find “contact me, email me” clear at the bottom of page, find that I’m visiting a city and TELL ME that you KNOW I’m visiting a city…surely that person is smart enough to see my rates and read my ad where I have a clickable link to my website, directly to my pricing list. So, no excuses there.

This is become, and has always been: a pet peeve. RentMasseur is particularly prone to this, I find. But other sites like Adam can have more than their fair share of it. For example on my Twitter I posted: #1 If you KNOW you have a budget, don’t ask what an escort/masseur charges. Save the guessing games and make an offer. #2 My rate is in my ad OR website. Repeating it is extra work=fee #3 I know my worth. Don’t gaslight me. I know there was a recent discussion about haggling that I didn’t get to “in time”. But this isn’t about haggling. It’s about basic decency. I imagine most out there have common sense and an idea that a full service SWer is going to ask $200-$300. If someone isn’t prepared to pay that amount, they shouldn’t be approaching off the bat, asking what someone charges. They need to be saying right off the bat: I don’t know your prices (even though it’s on my site, which further proves some stupidity and inability to read), but I’m able to afford X, can you assist? Versus trying to be cunning and make me make the first move. Also, it’s not like I walked up to said person offering to sell him something. Said person came and DM’d me. If someone knows they can probably only afford a certain amount, common courtesy would be to simply INCLUDE an offer. For example: Notice how he had time to say everything else, but didn’t have time to say what he could afford to pay. This is just time wasting and playing guessing games. Meanwhile, I’m supposed to be able to afford to visit a different city: spend on commuting, hotel and pay my bills at home, off some phantom amount less than what I charge. But I’m too expensive? Okay... I feel my prices are decent because couple weeks ago, I had 4/5 back to back bookings in a couple days, who all paid what I asked without trying to talk me down or say it’s too much. And the other day, met a great first time client who sent deposit ahead, booked the room/session and was accommodating from before to after the appointment. If they can do it, there shouldn’t be any excuses from others not to maintain proper etiquette.

We’ve gone so far off the topic of price versus price, I had to recheck the title to make sure I didn’t click in the wrong thread 😆 I have however found a compromise: I’m going to start offering different prices for those who book twice within a month or 2, or who become regular - regulars (as in booking once or twice per couple months, not coming around every 3-6 years lol). I find it seems to get more back in the door.

I agree, very sketch but: having a tight policy seems to help weed out. I believe I got my first real client from Mint boys over the weekend, and he was a gem! Scheduled in advance, confirmed deposit without me having to beg, and booked a longer session and went to dinner afterwards. I was visiting an area so, I made sure to get a room that was appropriate for the booking.

Lot of times just depends…I do know I try to get everything understood within 3 messages: Their details/location, link to my sites, deposit. Anything beyond that, is asking for freebies or being FOS.

Yeah, it’s important every provider be able to show our rates. That’s why I went ahead and got a website because, I like to know how much something is going to cost…Before I even walk thru the door. I went to the LV store in San Francisco last year (was moreso chaperoning a friend versus buying myself lol) and even though there’s not a big NOTHING UNDER $500 SOLD HERE sign, every item has a price, thus avoiding embarrassment when walking up to the register. Why RentMen is still afraid the show the price of the pornstars, idk. I just don’t think Denver can “afford” $250-$300. Back when I used to do well there (2010-until rentboy, CL and M4rent fell off) I used to only be able to get $150-200/hr or $300/350 two hours from the locals, the slightest price hike, guys would try to talk me down. Which was annoying because sometimes I would need more than $150-$200 to run my ever increasing incall studio because: clients need us to host. And even when I wasn’t asking for deposits and could readily host, people were still being flakes or unreliable. But occasionally had visitors who would give me 500-1,000. Hmm, I find that hard to believe. 75 different RentMen and non you found unique? Maybe it’s not them, but you? And not in a bad way: but maybe you’re subconsciously going after a certain type that doesn’t tweak your desire for uniqueness? I mean hell: I been on tour for over a month now, and have met at least 2-3 clients who I was like: wow…that was different. It may be a service commodity to those who view it that way, but for others it’s an essential luxury. Like baseball tickets and spa treatments. If you’re looking at it from a perspective of wanting to find it cheaper, perhaps this is different than what you’re needing. But once someone starts saying they can find guys to hookup with for free and don’t have/want to pay…that becomes less about the escorts, and moreso about someone else’s prerogatives.

Price hikes in providers or cost of goods? Thanks for the suggestion. I will say though, I tend to gravitate to the chain hotels in the area moreso than the neighborhood places. Just so I can flex my loyalty status for later checkouts/free parking, etc. I do use both RentM and RentMass. RentMasseur seems to just bring more clients across the board, but RentMen is a better product than RentMasseur because of how they do the messenger/private pics, etc. However RentMass also tends to have more annoying and lowball types: either they don’t read, ask me what my rates are (I regular have to circle and send it to them in a screenshot), or they think I’m in a city when I’m just advertising it in my travels. I personally don’t have the ability to do high volume: especially at home because, in one town I live, I stay with family and do outcalls with incall by appointment only. The other city, I have a roommate and I have to ask/plan before inviting people over. So it’s not feasible having 2-3 guys coming and going throughout the day. But most the people can never get it right. Simple instructions like, answer 4 things about yourself and send deposit so we can arrange a time: just flies over their head. I wish I could say that was the experience from every appointment lol. I also feel in some ways, people are “taking their anger” out on us, passive aggressively. I was in the store and a couple elderly folks started talking about the price of their ice cream going up, then another lady jumped in and started talking about the price of gas going up in the area this week (granted, this was Walmart BUT the products I needed are only available there lol). I’m thinking to myself like, shut the front door! People always want to talk about stuff going up. Well buy the cheaper ice cream, or maybe not drive faster than everyone else, and you’ll save some gas. It’s like one of my regular clients, who I didn’t quite appreciate it: told me, I like you but I just don’t like the price ($250 I was doing in St. Louis). So on 1 of our bookings I offered slightly less. But next time and for now on anyone who talks smack about my rates: I’m going to ask, “well how much would you charge to sleep with someone you never met, and might not find particularly your type?”

I guess the only way the numbers would change, is if the sites decided to remove Texas as an option for list of states to choose to advertise 😆 But it’s not an issue because most have already taken escort out of their names anyway I’m still considering making a visit out there

What’s this velvet mafia? I’m thinking in my mind: every city seems to have a “rich guy” and sometimes his partner who throws after hours parties and has like 30 guys over from the club lol. But I personally haven’t found those to be reliable hires.

By unicorn, what do you mean exactly? I don’t like the Chicago market at all. And that’s also why I’ve left the St. Louis and KC market for awhile, it’s just not been happening much there. In heading back to the region soon, I’m definitely considering what changes I can do. I also been doing the price shaving here and there, doing 275. But now I’m feeling like, that’s nickle and diming things lol. I used to work in sales and the manager used to say: “if they can afford 850, they can afford 1,000 ” (not that I’m trying to view it that way…plus I dislike “sales jobs” but I feel like a good part of this industry is rooted in being willing to “sell”) The main issue right now: is hotel prices especially in the cities, are so high. Even in St. Louis: hotels surge on weekends and even Priceline and AAA doesn’t really save. You can find a deal here and there, but it’s usually like: “this is the ONLY hotel I can find under $100”. And has already been mentioned…many clients either can’t or don’t want to host. I did luck out in San Diego though: all my serious clients were able to host. All the guys (except the 1 cute 21 year old who shot 💦 over his head 😆) who were wanting to come to me, were full of crap. And that’s why too: I have to keep deposits if I’m hosting. Especially with these rates. Like look below at Phoenix currently. This is what rates at the Marriott chains have been all month. I can’t be at a point where I’m just fucking for a hotel room. That’s demoralizing 🫤 I’m trying to come up with a way to even things out a bit. I already told myself: I been at 250 as my highest hour session since like…2018/19. $250 isn’t bad for a local in/outcall, but not hosting out of town. I also feel like it’s less people booking nowadays because the apps, fewer websites and more competitors. I feel to make up for the fewer clients, I am compelled to ask more. Cities like Nashville and Denver that I used to be able to book 5 clients at $150-250, have been dead on recent visits. Even some of the former clients I run into from the 2010s, are full of shit half the time, and just rude! Only way I can see myself doing that amount, is if I just stop touring all together.

So I been working on adjusting my rates a bit for full service escort visits. I feel $300 is where I want to be right now, especially while touring. Most people who see me tend to do that range anyway. However, I feel in some ways: the “world” (as in the guys in America who are willing to pay), is stuck in $150-200 across as a golden number. I feel like that’s what people want to hear, and it seems to get more regular bookings. But it’s just not sustainable unless I kept my overheads very low. Also there’s not a lot of guarantee that if I offered a session for $150/200, that the person would become a regular. One thing I’ve noticed, the M/F market rates are way higher than ours. Many girls are posting $400-$600 an hour with some even at $1,000 an hour. I just don’t understand why ours is slower to rise year by year. People especially on Adam4Adam try to say they only have $100 or $200. Like, where do they get these numbers from? They might be confusing it with someone like a client told me about the other day: he charges $80 for massage, and s**ks him off at the end. Like, that’s not an escort. That’s just someone who likely already earns money elsewhere and this is his “Fun” that’s paid so it’s a no brainier. I met a guy like that before, muscled, attractive, works full time at nail shop but does massage and f**king for $80. I won’t say I don’t like people like that, but I think clients who are used to that…put us down for charging something more sustainable. I’ve done the $60 and $80 stuff…it doesn’t get me anywhere. It leaves no money to travel, you’re just barely making it. Like I said, unless you have a side source or someone who can really take higher volumes of client (and let’s face it: sometimes you have the look and price point to see the high volume. So: between $300 or $150, what do some feel would give someone the most clients in a month, 6 months?

You may catch locals moreso than travelers in that area. Unless they’re traveling seasonally. I wouldn’t really be focusing on anything Coachella related.

Yes, having danced in a couple cities the year before last: and even knowing a handful of dancers in Denver (like @keroscenefire mentioned) many “dancers” are moreso go-go boys than “strippers”. In fact, many tend to more closely relate to drag queens than sex workers (not to give Tennessee any extra clout in relating them to such lol). And by that I mean: entertainment, keeping the crowd going, etc. The ones I’ve known have also been heavy on “partying” too so…that’s another factor. That said, just because they are hot and fun in a circuit environment around OTHER hot guys, doesn’t mean they are fit for 1 on 1 with any Tom, Dick or hairy Joe Blow who wants to…do private things. In fact I knew a guy years ago who turned to dancing in Dallas. I was shocked because, he knew I was an escort but never really mentioned doing it. Dancing was a less hands on form of sex work. I was in La Jolla San Diego the other week, and that’s a good idea considering the supposed nude beach is supposed to bring out some action. I didn’t cruise, and was just there for a short time…but if I go back in the summer, I’ll be sure to keep some biz cards on hand. Unfortunately, I agree with you there…and that’s pretty much my way of looking at it! Because I know: I get annoyed when someone tries to sell me a product that I’m not looking for, so I prefer not to want to be in that position the other way around either. Also for the record: I meant to correct my friend because, I would not initiate a conversation with someone at random in public/casino if I was expecting payment. I know the chances of being reported/etc are much less when the person hits you up first. Same concept with Grindr and A4A, on the off chances I do meet from there, it’s always them hitting me up first. That way, it automatically takes the solicitor factor out of it. As far as dancing goes: Last year I did a couple dancing gigs and handed out biz cards to just about everyone who tipped me and seemed interested. One was at a nude resort, another at a nightclub. I didn’t end up getting any bookings out of that. I know it was just a couple of times but, it was somewhat discouraging. At the same time, that’s a different crowd. Like I said, people tip drag queens and dancers for the entertainment value. Believe it or not, I actually felt a little odd about being tipped. I’m so used to doing my money behind the scenes, it was very out of my element lol. It was fun and I enjoyed it, but I realized it was moreso for the cause (dancing to promote something else) versus me wanting to do it just for the sake of it. Not to mention, many of the guys tend to be of the “bar patron” types who don’t really pay like that. It’s a reason why I get most of my clients from RM because: most of them aren’t hanging out at a bar at 12 and 1 a.m. Nothing wrong if they do, hell I do too: but I know when I do, I’m not looking for biz. I actually met a slightly older guy in San Diego at a bar during my trip. He was hot AF, and even though I could have used a client, I decided to hookup with him for fun…but eventually I did tell him what I do just to “see” what could come of it. He wasn’t trying to pay, but he was cool with it and even revealed he did it in Italy for a short time. We stayed in touch while I was in the area, so I made a new friend with benefits. To me that’s usually a more productive way of “working” the bars versus trying to find clients. However, I will say on quiet weekdays or gay bars where it’s very few people (hard to get anyone to stay focus when there’s drinks and 100 people bumping into each other)…I have been known to pass a biz card or show a picture of my Ad and gain a client. So it’s definitely not impossible.

I used to get occasional bookings from hour boy as well. I think both M4RN and HourBoy seemed to have just…actually, a quick type into the browser directs hour boy goes to mint boys. So I guess that explains it. Do you or anyone else have luck from HB? I’m moving towards removing my Adam4Adam profile and moreso just doing MintBoys. City to city, I’m barely getting much from the site! Even in San Diego, I had 3 “almost” clients from it, but all 3 were playing games in some way that made the booking to fall thru.

Had a friend suggest to me some casinos in the area to post up in. As in: go, sit and have a drink and maybe chat up someone. I’ve never worked a casino before. I know it’s cameras in all of them. Not that it would need to be obvious, but I also feel such activities are better with a wingman to fall back to in case things go awkward. I made a client at a boutique hotel bar last year. But it was spur of moment and unplanned. I’m just feeling limited relying on the RM and A4A platform (which I decided I’m going to get off because it’s barely making me any money lately). I am working on increasing advertising on mint boys in the lineup. I’m fine with in person scouting at gay bars and clubs, but the guys there usually aren’t looking for a paid arrangement…

@Marc in Calif