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That’s fine if you like that approach. I’m not so sure that works for every client nor do I think it’s a reasonable expectation when “overnight” or “weekend” is advertised as an offered service. I shouldn’t have to pay the dealer to test drive the car before buying it…

My opinion: if you advertise “overnight” or “weekend,” be ready to make some accommodation for planning such an arrangement if a client approaches you about that. If you don’t actually offer that without a shorter session first, say so in your ad and I’ll pass over you. Don’t waste my time or yours with false advertisement.

I suppose that’s one approach. But I that many times issues of compatibility can be sorted out via communication before meeting. But a provider is often not willing to do that, citing “paid for time.” So the client must invest several shorter sessions (of his time) and several payments (of his money) for something that with some mutual respectful communication could potentially be settled before meeting. As I said, I mostly bring guys in from out of the area. On my dime the first time. To me, it wouldn’t be worth the planning to do an hour to have a guy fly across the country for 1 hr. The trip to pick him up at the airport would take longer than the meetup. My life also simply does not allow for spontaneous hookup style sessions, nor would I enjoy that. I prefer the longer, BFE experiences – which, again, could be determined potentially compatible if a certain measure of mutual respectful and meaningful communication happened before the meeting. I’m not interested in paying $100/hr for a job interview…let alone $300/hr. Particularly if it’s not just about the sex for me, which it’s not. As for guys wanting you to tell them what you’re looking for in a BFE experience, I’ve never once had one say he couldn’t do that – but I’ve had experiences that are better than others. Those are repeat hires. It doesn’t mean the lesser experiences aren’t enjoyable, but they don’t deliver. A guy who wants the business will tell you he can do the job, even if he can’t. At least, that’s been my experience. And sometimes I really wonder if some of the providers can actually be bothered to read what you do say to them in a text message when you tell them what you’re looking for. “Yeah. Sure. I def can do that.” I am growing doubtful of that more and more. I have a sense just from the way the communication unfolds who’s looking to make a buck and who potentially gets it. But again – that requires an investment up front by both the client and the provider and so many providers go the “I’m paid for my time” route and say we can get to know each other when we’re together. A BFE experience shouldn’t require too much “get to know you” time if, after all, you’re supposed to be…boyfriends. I don’t know if that addresses what you’re asking, but what I’m saying is that I’m tired of it being the client’s (my) responsibility to have a good time. Part of hiring is to have the provider provide the good time, and if that’s not happening because he won’t make a minimal (potentially uncomped) investment, then is he really a good escort? Remember – I do tip when it’s good. Just like a good provider also goes out of his way to provide a great experience. I don’t tip if the cost is too high and/or the experience is average. So here I’m saying what is the cost that’s too high. To the location question: say an client wants to bring an escort in from LA to Chicago? Which rates should either expect? Location-wise? I find LA has much higher rates than Chicago. But if a guy comes to the city, he could potentially be there a few days, as “new meat,” and make money in a different market that would be otherwise less open to him if the client hadn’t brought him in. Should he charge LA rates or Chicago rates? Ultimately that’s up to him, but it seems that locale is shouldn’t dictate solely what the rate is. Unless of course you’re looking to limit yourself.

Has anyone had contact? His profile is expired on RM and last I communicated with him, things ended mid-conversation and I never heard more. That had been out of character for him. Hoping he’s okay…

This isn’t an endorsement. Nor have I met him. Just saw this ad on RM that the guy emphasizes his bodybuilder body. Thought of this thread and the above comments… https://rent.men/AlexanderFuego

@purplekow– Is @Tygerscenton RM?

@HoseMaster– I can only echo all that you say. What irks me is the high expectation client behavior for couth and decorum but if an escort is a jerk or a poor communicator, we’ll invent reasons to excuse it. Some escorts just suck. But we can’t say that because they provide a valuable, one-of-a-kind, incomparable service (as per many on this forum, at least). Sometimes I feel like the unspoken feeling is we should feel honored providers will take our money. It’s like the reverse of “the customer is always rights.” When I worked in retail, I put up with so, so, so much shit from customers because I was the employee paid to provide a service (not paid well, I might add – not well enough for the bullshit I dealt with). But escorts are to be shielded from any unpleasant at all. That’s the way it seems some on here act anyhow. I’ll be clear – a lot of that impression comes from clients here who are vocal advocates for escorts and the certain opinionated, prolific escort posters here. In most of the interactions I’ve had with escorts outside this forum, it’s been much different. 🧐 Maybe this forum isn’t the best resource to come to learn how to gauge how to behave in this hobby…

I suspect like Matteoblanco he gets negative reviews removed from RM. And it’s surprising he’s a bottom as he’s with Alam Wernick who’s exclusively a bottom.

@Luv2play– Why must we pay to find out that compatibility, though? If you know all that and can write it out, why is it a “waste of time” for the provider to affirm or decline a willingness to do those things? I feel like asking “Would you like to go shopping?” or “Would you like watching horror movies after dinner before we ‘chill?’” would save a lot of headache; and I don’t know think it’s unreasonable to ask that before the ON or weekend…To me that’s like asking an artist if they do the kind of work you’re looking for and they tell you they don’t. No hard feelings, and no one’s time is wasted. Isn’t my time and money wasted paying a provider for an ON just to vet them for a weekend? Or for a few hours to vet them for an ON? If we could engage in meaningful exchange beforehand, that would be more efficient. Loads of providers will say in their ads not to waste their time or ours, but we all know that’s no concern about us.

I’ve only ever hired ONs. Which is interesting seeing as there’s been talk here of multiple “dates” before such an arrangement. My approach has been one night to see how it goes before we do a weekend - not one hour before we do a night! Same basic concept though.

Vote with your wallet.

I thought about that. I like to fly new guys in from out of town sometimes for a weekend. I think their local market does impact their idea of what makes for a reasonable weekend rate. As I write this, I realize that I have been quoted better rates by places that I’m sure get higher traffic than some others. The only exception has been NYC guys, who – I’m assuming – can get exorbitant rates because of traveling businessmen.

1. I don’t care if he’s taking pills. 2. Not if it’s non-stop. For me. But I wouldn’t object every few hours! 😂

I guess I see it as everyone has to learn to a certain degree before being “good” at whatever they do. I’m just guessing the learning curve is less steep and less high for OF where you control the environment a lot more than in a bona fide person-to-person interaction. The investment up front to be good at escorting is higher than it is to be good at OF, and it probably doesn’t pay off any better.

My “fear” is that because OF has a lower monetary success threshold, more guys won’t put the effort into developing the skills. We already have guys who think just being with you, while playing on their phones etc., is enough to get $1200 for an overnight. And they think they’re good at it, have the “skills.”

@Pensant– they’re stars now in their own solar system

@DrownedBoy - So, you’re going to wait til 2037? 😂

@sexymonk - Yes. For my part, I’d probably think twice about hiring a guy with an OF. I feel it changes their personality.

I doubt many providers think they offer anything below an A+++ experience.

This is the rub, isn’t it? Like a cop sleeping in his patrol car…still clocking time.

That sounds right. And with tip, that’s what you can reasonably expect to pay for something like that. A good experience deserves a tip in my opinion.

Same. That’s why if the rate is too high, I’m going to just move on from now on. No sense ruining it with the vulgarity of money.

OF has really impacted this hobby. Guys can rake in money without actually having to deal with clients. You have to actually enjoy time and fucking with the Average Joe to do the escort thing. With OF you can do it yourself or with a collaborator who aligns more with the Adonis ideal…

It’s not just you. And there’s definitely a place for that. But an overnight is a different category than the 1-hr meetup. Question for providers: in an average night, how many guys do you see for an hour? This thread was prompted by a provider telling me he couldn’t do less than $2000/ON. I could understand that if he’d be losing money by booking an overnight when he could book multiple appointments that would amount to more than anything less than $2000. But let’s say he’s charging $400/hr. He’d need 5 guys to engage him at that rate to make $2000/night. I have no real idea how many guys a night a provider sees (or is willing or physically able to see) but it would surprise me if it’s consistently 5 guys a night…So an overnight that includes several hours of sleep for even $1500 or $1200 seems like a deal to the provider. At $400/hr, a provider could charge $1200/overnight, see one guy, sleep, and make as much money as seeing 3 guys without sleep…and how many providers are charging $400/hr and nightly have 3+ guys hitting them up that actually translate into meetups? Maybe I’m missing something.

They can be. But it’s a crapshoot. And my experience (MY experience) is that even the porn stars don’t deliver anything that someone who’s not plastered all over pornhub.com can’t also deliver. And often those who aren’t as well known don’t have the ego to go with the fame… I don’t need to pay for glitz and glam. And I don’t want to be made to feel like taking my money is somehow doing me a favor.