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Nice to see a clip where over half of the time is actual massage... not just 3 minutes turned into sucking/fucking...

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Because I can do math?
grin.
(I understand your point, I’m just being an ass.)

I think loyalty rewards are great…for big business that can build the discounts into their overhead. I think small business should set their cost and hold to it. I know that I wouldn’t want to do my job for less and I wouldn’t expect a provider to take less. It somehow would feel that I’m taking advantage and still expecting 100% from them. I’m happy to pay what they are worth. The more expensive, overpriced providers, I decide where my spending limit is and engage with guys within that limit

I think loyalty rewards are great…for big business that can build the discounts into their overhead. I think small business should set their cost and hold to it. I know that I wouldn’t want to do my job for less and I wouldn’t expect a provider to take less. It somehow would feel that I’m taking advantage and still expecting 100% from them. I’m happy to pay what they are worth. The more expensive, overpriced providers, I decide where my spending limit is and engage with guys within that limit

In my experience as soon as you start discounting (whether that’s offering reduced rates for regulars or students or whatever) the discounted rate becomes the new ‘floor’ for your standard hour rate. It bleeds to other clients and then becomes the expectation. So I have a simple rule: no discounts ever.  The rate is the rate, that’s it and it’s not a matter for discussion. The sooner the conversation moves from ‘how much’ to ‘this is what I like / want’ the better. I like to minimise the transactional nature of the meeting because it doesn’t help with creating the right atmosphere. 

I think they should have a little card like subway used to offer, you put the stamps on it per purchase.  Fill up the card and get a free 12 incher.

Here's my NYC/NJ masseur collection post. It's been a while since my last posting. I added which quarter of 2023 I saw them to provide some "freshness" or "good by this date"  Again as I have mentioned before these are MY massage experiences and may likely be different for you when you get to see them. My photo in my avatar is me since I get asked that question a lot in my DMs and if you look at my profile, you'll see MORE of me. But looks and body type are just one of the many variables that come into play when one sees a massage therapist. So not all sessions, even with the same therapist and client, are alike. I also don't ask anything prior to any session, no expectations except for a massage, then the magic happens...   MT=mutual touch; HE=happy ending; YMMV=your mileage may vary (one cannot guarantee that the extras I received will also happen to you). Feel free to DM me if you need any more info. I have other postings from my many visits to Chicago, Fort Lauderdale and LA. Just need the time to write them.
Nik (Q1 2023)
https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/17974/
https://rentmasseur.com/coltmassage
Nik is a wonderful, sweet guy. I first saw him at that massage place on 14th street. Then afterwards at his place in the UWS. He looks like his photos. He has a table set up in his studio apartment and there is a shower available with a clean bathroom. Nik is quite slim, lanky and tall and his technique is very good with evidence of training. He uses long gliding strokes during the session with occasional stretching. He massages in his underwear during the session. He adds sensual elements throughout. And you know what they say about thin tall men - they have BIG…FEET! I will be back. MT/HE and of course YMMV
Ron (Q1 2023)
https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/43658/
https://rentmasseur.com/RonMasseur
Ron, originally from Costa Rica, is very nice. He has his table set up in his small bedroom which was ok but leaves him not much. room to maneuver. He’s quite good with his massage strokes and really places a lot of pressure despite his thin frame. Not so sure that he has formal training but it did feel quite good. He uses a combo of lotion/oil. I would definitely repeat. MT/HE and of course YMMV
Anton (Q1 2023)
https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/28165/
Anton is such a quiet guy. Hairy, cute slim guy who lives in a clean apartment in Brooklyn. He definitely looks like his photos. He works on a table in a separate room that also doubles as a bedroom. He is very hairy and I found it very stimulating as he massaged my body. He was naked throughout using Swedish strokes. It was a good massage and he adds sensual elements throughout. Not sure I’ll be coming back soon. MT/HE
Ken (Q/Q2 2023)
https://rentmasseur.com/Ken_NYC
Ken has been talked about in several posts. Don’t be discouraged that there are no face photos. I have seen him several times including early in the post pandemic period and just recently as last month. He has certainly shed his excess weight and rocking those abs again and his body is definitely firmer. He has a tiny sliver of an apartment in Hell’s Kitchen. You’re literally in the kitchen but don’t let that disturb you. He has to work closer to the table and those errant hands have to land somewhere He is also such a sweetie and I have definitely been a repeat offender (sorry customer). MT/HE and of course YMMV
Dmitry (Q2 2023)
https://rentmasseur.com/dmitrynyc
Dmitry is a nice guy who works on the UES close to 96th street subway station. He (again!) has a relatively slim and lanky frame. It’s clean and he has a designated area for the massage. He is very sweet but his massage techniques leaves something to be desired. I felt I was “lightly touched” the entire time. He has several price points for what you may want from the massage. Since I am primarily looking for a massage, I may not come back. He also gives you a small parting gift at the end which was sweet. MT/HE
Carlos (Q2 2023)
https://rentmasseur.com/CarlosUES
I know he has been discussed in here. And I do agree that he looks better in person. He lives in an apartment in UES with a table. Clean and tidy. He has very good massage skills (which other posters have mentioned he has worked or continue to work in a spa before). He uses long gliding strokes but also incorporates kneading techniques. I appreciate the fact that he knows his way around a person’s body highlighting his training. He also incorporates sensual elements into his session. I will definitely be back. That massive mirror next to the massage table came into good use! MT/HE and of course YMMV
Jhonny (Q2 2023)
https://rentmasseur.com/Jhonny
I believe I talked about this guy before. I find him really really cute. His smile melts me! I saw him once before and he has shed his COVOD weight. He is much trimmer and defined. He greeted my in his skivvies in an AirBNB in midtown. He has a table set-up and as always, starts with a hug and kisses to your back and ass cheeks which to me is very ’tiltillating” LOL He has nice massage technique, no training but at least he knows his muscles. He has a very smooth body and uses it on you once while on your back and again while facing up. I found that very sexual especially his tiny kisses along the way. Overall it was a sensual experience and definitely will come again! MT/HE and of course YMMV
Rosario (Q2 2023)
https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/43288/
I find Rosario to be a handsome guy. He looks like his photos on the site. His place is all the way uptown - way uptown! It’s unfortunate since his place is nice, airy and also clean. He has a massage table placed close to the window and was comfortable. He massages with his clothes on and magically disappears at some point when you turn around He uses Swedish strokes and you can tell he does have training. I will definitely be back. MT/HE and of course YMMV
Nick (Q2 2023)
https://rentmasseur.com/Nick_Massage
I saw him in NJ when I was around the area. He lives in a. House and ha s a large bedroom for his massage. He is very professional and lets you know what is going to happen next. I respect that. He uses Swedish strokes coupled with some targeted deep tissue. He also uses his entire body on to you. He was wearing shorts which again magically disappeared afterwards. He has a tight defined body which was evident from his pictures on his ad. The session was passionate and he really likes what he’s doing as per his ad. I would surely be a repeat. Just need to get my ass to NJ. MT/HE and of course YMMV
Marko (Q2 2023)
https://rentmasseur.com/MarkoMassuer
https://rentmen.eu/Markoship
This guy is SEXY! With a hard rocking’ body and a killer smile. He’s new and he has quite limited English proficiency. He’s Colombian but said he lived in Argentina for 10 years. What he lacks verbally, he surely make sup physically :D. He uses baby oil (not my preference) really, and massages on a bed (claims to have a broken table). Massage on the bed was OK and was also a bit awkward because his bed is also quite small. He was wearing underwear during the session. It was quite a session. We were both exhausted afterwards I know he escorts but I only paid for the massage and I think I got a bonus! Definitely would repeat! MT/HE and of course YMMV
 

Definitely the masseur is not my type, but the other guy's cock DEFINITELY is! Very hot video.

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I always say:
Thanks, but that's out of my budget.
Very often providers will ask me what I was looking to spend. But I tell them I would never ask them to work for less than they feel they are worth and leave it at that.
No one is going to work for less without providing less. So it's pointless to haggle
 

In many cases, the difference is about $100…

Those are usually hot to me too. I hate clips that jump from fully clothed to fully naked. The buildup is sometimes the hottest part of the action.

I like a slow reveal. T-shirt &/or just shorts to start, with the shirt hopefully off by the time I turn over. And since I respect that I'm paying for a massage and not an escort session, any dropping of the shorts is at his discretion. In which case my discretion goes out the window. 

Hey man I’m fine with anything haha
 
who else is out there?

May we assume you're asking about stretching limbs and joints rather than orifices?
😉

I hear this. Clients differ though. Some would be disappointed in the lack of effort. Others have ED, prostate issues, or anxiety, or, like you, just aren’t feeling it. Some clients release without even being hard (not that uncommon). Some clients are very relaxed from the massage and aren’t hard, but get hard with some attention, and want it.
Damned if you do. “Read the room, man”
Damned if you don’t. “I’m disappointed he didn’t even try”

Massage vids are my fave! Great thread!

Yeah.  And I want to be adopted by Jeff Bezos.

Swedish massage is for lonely people and ladies.
If you want "therapy" you don't book a "Swedish Massage".

I tell clients they can touch me as much or as little as they like. It’s their massage, if they like to touch me that’s fine. Some enjoy the touch, some explore, some just don’t touch atall and some want to suck me. It’s all fine by me. 
It’s very difficult for parts of me not to touch my client at times during the massage. If I’m naked, which most clients prefer (at least for part of the massage) then if standing at the side then my cock is bound to brush my client’s hand.
As for the line between massage and escorting it’s not really a concern for me but of course I work in a country where the latter is legal (within certain circumstances) so it’s just a question of whether I’m fine to be doing escort work, which I am! I think it’s a fabulous way to work. If I worked somewhere where escorting or sex work was against the law then I’d be careful to stay the right side of the line. 

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It's a giant gray area with no agreed upon LINE between the possibilities.
In general a massage is just a massage if it's THERAPEUTIC
SENSUAL can ( but does not NEED to ) include a bit of more personal touch therapy, maybe nudity, some titillating teasing and even the possibility of a happy ending, but NONE of that is guaranteed under this definiton.
EROTIC for most people does mean there is more likely nudity, more personal touching and the expectation of an orgasm, but again this is different from provider to provider, so everything needs to be navigated.
Most important thing to remember is that a masseur is NOT an escort. So you should not ASSUME that sexual favors are part of anyone repertoire, until you discover that your masseur IS ACTUALLY AN ESCORT advertising as a masseur.
It's all very confusing and unfortunately NO ONE can tell you for sure where the lines are drawn. You just need to start exploring and be happy when you manage to cross a line somewhere and enjoy the results.
Good luck.🥳

There is no clear-cut, definitive answer to this; it’s different for everyone. I recommend asking for exactly what you want and see who provides it. Or simply hire any of the vetted masseurs with positive comments from other clients posted here on company of men and see what they do. Evaluate a few and keep hiring the providers who best fit your needs.

The global organisation that regulates the erotic / sensual massage industry: The Regulatory Union of Bodyworking has a sub committee (The Terms Unifying Group) that is set up to handle issues like this.
At the last meeting of the RUB&TUG group (as it is known for short) the members couldn’t reach agreement on what the difference was between a sensual massage and an erotic massage. The minutes show that the meeting ended unhappily although it was agreed that in that situation the meeting could not have been classified as sensual or erotic.