Vulgarii

I'm not going to get vaxxed for covid nor for monkeypox. If I need the cash then I'll just lie. My clientele aren't the promiscuous, bathhouse, Sniffies.com type so I'll just take my chances like I did with covid. I wonder if I can catch monkeypox from all these newly vaccinated men and their viral loads, no pun intended. I'll let ya guys know!

I'm not a HE masseur and I'm considering also advertising on RM but am worried I'll get a wave of new clients that'll assume I'll be nude and do extra things. I suppose I'll just ask where they saw my ad.

I remember there was that meningitis outbreak in 2012 among the gays on the east coast and then the west coast, and that swiftly went away.

I never got vaxxed for covid and don't plan on getting vaxxed for this. I wonder though if I can catch it from recently vaccinated clients with their viral loads, no pun intended because I don't provide like that.

When this happens, clients that want an escort will hit up the massage guys and see how far they will go, since you can find a decent masseur that will perform extras for $200-300 less than an escort. Perhaps escorts can advertise the massage for a much cheaper price and it might be better since they won't have to guarantee cumming or anything.

The thing is is that I doubt the recession has really hurt people that make 6 figures and have a comfy lifestyle and plenty of more disposable income. If you're nosey like me, and look up clients' social media, a lot are still traveling around the world and living it up. Most young gay guys on grindr seem to be living life to the fullest lately. I just take it personally if a familiar client randomly shows up and hasn't even checked up on me and I haven't seen him in a year or two, when we've had 10 years of rapport and I've slept in his bed and even house sat for him. I'm like F you, go get to know someone else. I give this offering to the next masseur!

Buy a video series or something. The porn sites and even YouTube will show full massage regimes. It will take x amount of hours of practice with a real person for the massage format to really "click" and for you to feel like a natural instead of someone that is winging it for a buck.

There was a client that roofied my coffee. He lives in Westwood and is an old mostly unknown actor. I wonder if anyone has had the same experience. This happened in 2015 a year before the Bill Cosby allegations came out and I remembered a year later hearing models like Beverly Johnson say they were given a cappuccino and then 40 mins later, they started hallucinating and were f-cked up. I was like wow that sounds soooooo familiar, luckily I had the strength and consciousness to run away too and I slept in the floor of the back of my car. I was terrified and I was f-cked up the next day too. There's also a sneaky way to roofie someone that a female escort publically stated and read about her nightmare client on Mr Number...he would drink an herbal tea and then go down on his escorts. They would pass out and he would brutally rape and beat them. I suppose the same thing could be done to men when rimmed. Anyway, it is essential for providers to have some sort of network to inform others of dangerous encounters.

Have you caught other escorts setting up fake appointments with you on a busy time like 8pm?

Yeah there's more than enough men that will seriously date us but at the same time, I've never encountered in person nor online, a monogamous gay couple, and the majority of my clients are partnered in some way to another man. I joke that I can't wait to become committed to someone who's just going to cheat on me with someone else that looks just like me. The partners and exes of my clients tend to look just like me, and even the boys they adopted, which is weird and perhaps not worth mentioning. We still have to deal with the stigma of being dirtier and riskier than guys you'd meet and date from grindr even though we have much smaller notch counts and tend to be cleaner and more careful.

Hey I thought Saturdays were my off nights too. It wasn't like that a few years ago. I know my clients pretty well too and I doubt most are social and spending time with friends lol You just roll with it and keep your time open if anything comes up. What I hate is that I usually get an inquiry after 10 or 11 o'clock, and by those times I mentally check out and dgaf.

You have to hire the really young new guys because they are impressed with money and attention, and aren't jaded yet. I'd love for certain clients to request the foreplay but only if I would do that with them for free.

Like we expect young gay men to not have sex with strangers. When did that ever work out?

I use usphonebook.com and whitepages.com to look up prospective clients' names, ages, and any criminal records, and if I can verify a name then I look through linkedin and Facebook...I kind of shouldn't verify with social media anymore because if I see something they posted that I don't like, I will refuse to meet the client...it also sucks to get excited about meeting a certain client but he's not the person I see on Facebook even though he has the same name and is in the same city, or he's sharing a family plan. LOL One client told me that masseurs wouldn't respond to him and I guessed that was because he had the same name as his father but his father's age showed up on the websites I mentioned above, so he was rejected by those of us that don't want to service men in that age range.

50, maybe 55.

Finland and Sweden got to be on that list because every client I've had from Scandinavia were massive. Mandingo status.

Storytime My first night of massaging, my client was this young Leonardo DiCaprio looking guy. Before the massage he asked if I could help him clean his kitchen and I agreed since he would pay me for it. He told me I did a shitty job and that he grew up with his parents who were maids. LOL. I was going to throw away a water bottle with brown fluid in it and he stopped me, and said it was G. I didnt know what it was and he didn't explain before nor after he drank it. He told me to continue wiping his countertops and then he passed out in another room while watching Fashion Police. When I told him I was done, he wouldn't wake up. He was alive, but he wouldnt wake up. So I just sat around, and then looked around his home. Not to steal, but to just look around. His apartment looked like it was full of antique russian furniture, he was Albanian, and he had framed candid pictures of Kim Kardashian everywhere. Eventually, maybe a few hours later, he woke up. He apparently overdosed on G, the date rape drug some gays use to party with, and then he asked me to drive him to a burger place around the corner while he yelled at the club goer pedestrians on santa monica blvd, and called them the forbidden F word. That was that. I never got to massage him. I never heard from again probably because I texted him and asked if he was taking it easy with the G. Shortly after that I massaged a few times, or at least I tried to XXXXXX. He was always wasted drunk and seemed really lonely. I think he just wanted me over to have company because I only massaged him once. He always wanted to get it on but he wasn't my type. He always wanted to pay in gift cards despite buying some sterile, metallic $5 million house in the hills. He seemed to have a nervous breakdown when I curiously asked him if he fucked his porn star models. He drank too much birthday cake flavored vodka once and threw up and passed out but woke up later and gave me hundreds of dollars of Andrew Christian gift certificates which I flipped. It's common every now and then to encounter a really drunk client. Luckily not one that's on anything really intense or scary. Once a client injected meth into his dick and wanted me to roleplay and talk like I was his real life son; he did have a legal age son. So I vaguely remember saying some coy shit you'd read in some Josman Art comic, pretend to pleasure myself, and he took care of himself and I left. I hate massaging men and noticing genital warts or toilet paper in their ass cracks. 100% of the time, those clients will hit on me and want to play. Those appointments are super scary. I remember that almost every client I've seen in a hotel, had toilet paper in their cracks or smelled like they just took a dump. I don't understand that when they had plenty of time to jump in the shower right there. I guess they didn't respect me as the gutter whore they thought I am. LOL I usually hate massaging psychologists and therapists because they always seem so cold, quiet, and distant. Like dude, I'm not YOUR client. You don't have to put up that wall and dissociate with me. Well I massaged a really hot young one who has a social media presence, but as usual, he is single and lonely and called me over after a night of drinks. We played around and it was fun, but he vomited, in his toilet, and passed out and I made sure he was okay and tucked into bed with water on the nightstand and the curtains drawn... I don't steal nor do I assault. The memories and lessons are probably worth more to me. I take care of my passed out clients. I'm no Cardi B. Another tip for masseurs and escorts is to get the morning after texts. One client wanted me to help shave his balls. I noticed that as I was shaving his perineum/taint, he kept sexually moving his body and he wanted me to penetrate him with the hand held side of the razor. That was his thing. The next morning I got the text messages from Hell like he was going to kill me. He thought I took the razor home with him. It was like a $1 gillet disposable razor, nothing special, but special to him. I just told him I didnt remember what's happened to it, maybe it we thrown away, and that I wouldn't want to keep that shit. He later apologized and said he found it somewhere. Last year on my birthday, I massaged a really hot psychotherapist that specializes in gay "conversion therapy." They rebrand it as something else though. He was really beautiful and comfortable with his body. That wasn't a dangerous or scary appointment of course, and I've been thinking of contacting him again to hang out because I do admire his work and the work of his well known colleagues on social media, and I've shown my loyalty by being quiet about our first meet up for almost a year. He can trust me LOL Moderator Note: References to specific individuals have been edited out of the post per our Community Guidelines.

Clients can't see my knives, hammers,na machete, and baseball bats that I have hidden around my apartment for easy access in case shit gets real. I have them for my safety and havent yet needed to use them. Us masseurs and rentboys get assaulted, robbed, and murdered, often, actually, and no one cares. Our "community" doesn't care and our gay organizations will barely talk about anything unless they get to profit off it and use it to their advantage. Why hasn't anyone caused a stir over Ed Buck, and the other gay on gay homicides that practically happen every week when you really look for them in local news reports? Anyway...Storytime! I went to a new client's home late at night and when I parked, a huge guy walked out in the dark and gave me a signal by flashing a flashlight which I thought was to indicate that it's him. Well, he was expecting someone else and my real client was next door. Lol. None of the lights worked in his house, which seemed to have been empty in the dark and I basically massaged him on a mattress in a dark room. What a brave, stupid, yet lucky little yuppie masseur I was! Years later I started to massage an attorney, and he and an associate started to stalk me and play weird mind games. They would set appointments and not show up and then gaslight me that they knocked on my door and left notes on it. The attorney wiped his fecal matter on my bath towel and then lied and said he stepped on dog shit and wiped his shoe with it. Really? Who does that? I make everyone leave their shoes at my door. The other guy asked me a list of questions like he was a cop and was trying to figure me out. He kept requesting for me to show him my dick and I wouldn't, even though he never got nude either. Then he lied and said he dropped his credit card in my place and I let him come back to look for it. I thought it was maybe a codeword for something, like he'd come back and I'd be naked and ready so technically he didn't pay for sex, he just paid for the massage. Anyway, all that crap ended with the both of them when I made it clear to the attorney that I didnt want to massage him anymore. I come from an affluent family that is part black and involved with city councils and local masonic lodges so in a paranoid manner, I figured those two clients were sent to observe me or fuck with me based on specific details things that they said. This is a weird, creepy world with many layers and inner circles in it. There are certain rules these families and circles abide by when it comes to their own blood. They can mess with you psychologically but they can't cause direct physical harm, and all this is a subject for another day and another forum. Sorry for going off on a tangent but it's the top of the iceberg of my weird, creepy and even dangerous adventures of being a masseur.

We always remember the first encounters. Remember how you would shake and tremble and your lips would quiver before the first kiss? I think a lot of men chase that experience and energy they can't recreate.

I wish you would have told him "yeah that's pretty much it. All that disappointment is what it will be for the next 50 years. Enjoy. Bye."

Based on its SEO, massuerfinder can charge these prices because it can. It's only other competitor is rentmen and smaller copycat websites. It looks like the more legitimate male massage site. I think those websites are too intimidating and the rates of the escort masseurs are too high for clients that are new and too shy. Most of my clientele are just looking for a massage and the ones that really want to be erotic are closeted and don't want to draw too much attention. I joke that some men think masseurs are budget prostitutes. They dont want to pay the escort prices and/or don't ont want to admit that they have to pay for some fun so they see a male massage therapist as a compromise. All in all, masseurfinder doesn't have that much of an overhead and they are charging masseurs that much because they can, and they wont stop until masseurs leave en masse.

Thanks. I'm fine. I have a separate income streams, and the massage industry is always slow this time of year and picks up soon. I'd rather pinch pennies than to be grossed out or have to feel sorry for people. 😂

Well, there are other masseurs to try. I don't advertise any HE and if clients ask over the phone I tell them if I'm not attracted to them and not in the mood then I won't give one. At least I'm honest up front when they're honest. In my 10 years of experience though, if a client asks for sensual ahead of time, he's not someone I would ever want to sensual with.

The website was always a joke and I felt like I had to walk on eggshells with them. I hardly ever get booked anymore by new clients over the weekends, and clients have told me that my profile completely disappears or that the phone number will disappear too. I thought it was a glitch, but why play with my livelihood like that? I've always been in my own world and didnt pay attention to other masseurs, and the ones I reached out to were assholes and were using the website and industry to escort for quick cash. So I stayed quiet since there's no one else to really talk to about this industry. Masseurfinder kept trying to revamp itself and took down the escort and sensual categories but it made everything more confusing by putting masseurs under therapeutic and relax. Since I prefer to do a softer swedish massage, I tried advertising under relax and then all the happy ending prospective clients started to call me at 2am. I figured that since rentboy went down that the site owner of MF just wanted to save his ass and not get arrested. So they implemented new rules and disciplined masseurs for not knowing about the new rules. Like they made us include keywords like erotic and sensual in our therapeutic ads and then scolded us after they changed the rules. I had over a dozen reviews since 2013 and they were removed for no good reason. For years clients have told me they were frustrated with trying to write a review for me, but I barely found out that since 2018, clients have to send their reviews to the masseur by text or email and we submit them. An email stating that would have been nice, back then. What's so frustrating for me at least is that I cannot see who my prospective clients are, at least if I can't vet them through their phone numbers and see their ages and social media. I dont want to massage certain ages and groups. In my experience of 10 years, I have bewn cheated and robbed, I have been assaulted, and I've been stalked by several men. There are some men that aggressively touch me and each time they are in a certain ethnic group that thinks I'm a whore that cant say no. I dont want to massage men over 60 because they are often also aggressive, and also super lonely and depressing and I don't care to encounter that. I hate pitying people. That's above my pay grade, I'm just a massage therapist, not a shrink and not an escort in one. I suspect that masseurfinder might discipline us for advertising elsewhere. They shouldn't care as long they're being paid, but if they do, the audacity won't surprise me.

Wow. I live in l.a. I don't charge even half that, yet some regular clients will pay/tip me that. I keep my rates low to stay busy and to attract the younger cuter clientele that can afford it. I don't want to be nude or erotic men everyday especially older men, so I never wanted to advertise with the same rates as the "erotic masseurs." 2020 was one of my best lucrative years and 2021 was great too. It's so slow right now that other masseurs have asked me to help them get business or do 4 hand massages. La isn't expensive if you just live within your means, buy groceries at the dollar store lol and don't live in some new apt complex along sunset.