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The trans will continue to get all the excuses, sympathy, and support while everyone else has to really struggle and suffer the consequences of the law and shitty dangerous clients.

What I dislike are the silly kooky ads you see everywhere that shows some ridiculous scenario. You can get off just by looking at the ads without any sound, but the way they are produced is like they are mocking the viewer. Brazzers and the same gay studios make them with the same tired ass pornstars. It's sensory overload with a condescending demeanor almost like the visual is the equivalent to eating a shitty McDonald's burger or taco bell cheesy beef burrito that you'll regret in an hour.

It's so stupid, they or their digital pimps, believe that the middle finger makes them look straight, tough, and masculine. I was offered to model for that mastertim foot fetish websites but all the guys are made to hold up the middle finger and that's not my thing.

I will always think of the mom in the movie The Craft that had "a jukebox that played nothing but Connie Francis records," when I see or hear that name. Anyways, as a provider there's only a few other providers I've met in person so I don't really care about who is being discussed and the same questions and discussions are brought up so the forum fizzled out for me. I think all the boys are at that "forum" where they just leak onlyfans content, talk shit about pornstars, escorts, and wannabes, and seem to get into real legal drama every now and then. This forum is quite vanilla compare to what "the boys" are doing now.

I only dabbled in porn and fetish modeling and that was 15 years ago, and no one would really recognize me nor know my porn name, but every now and then a prospective client will bring it up and they assume that I am a certain way and will sleep with them. So it's just an issue if the provider doesn't blatantly state that he's an escort or will do x, y, and z. If the provider is advertising as an escort then he wants your business and doesn't care about your muscles and penis size, because most men are not models and aren't hung like porn stars who are already scoured and hand picked for their handsome faces, chiseled bodies, and donkey dicks.

Yeah the money is a trap that I also warned a friend about, and I've seen on that YouTube soft white underbelly channel where a pimp and a stripper advised women and men that after doing any type of sex work for around a year, you'll never want to work another job again because you'll compare what you'll make in 8 hours compared to one hour doing sex work. Also you'll end up hating men and sex but that really depends on the person and it's more of a problem for women. Women seem to hate being exploited but men seem to enjoy it and not take it as hard. I warned a friend who was just advertising on Grindr and making a good living that the rules and laws change and the money won't be consistent. When more men get into sex work then his business will decline as well as when he ages. For most people, sex work is just for quick cash to get out of a jam or to bridge the gap between a better endeavor. At least there's more avenues for even mediocre or below average looking women when they're in a jam. It's not so easy for guys to walk the sidewalk or strip somewhere when times get rough.

Coulda woulda shoulda. If it was really best for me to get a 9 to 5 then it would have happened long ago. To this day I truly hate the coworkers and customers I had 16 years ago when I last had a W2 job, so perhaps it's best for society and not just me that I'm not exposed to the general public for very long. I'm servicing the community in more ways than I thought! I don't regret because I don't see the point in regretting and reminiscing but of course I would have wanted a much more stable and lucrative career but I am working on that now and it really is the best time. I just take not of the emotional/mental toll that I experienced in this industry. I view men and people, and sex and intimacy, in much different ways and with my experience there's just people I will not deal with. Idk if that's necessarily a bad thing. I just share with very young men getting into the industry or who just carry themselves blatantly as sluts that STDs aren't the only things they have to worry about. They will encounter that threshold, after they pass it, where they are at the point of no return and can't be monogamous, can't be happy for long in a ltr, will be super selective with their partners and clients, and can't get hard for the gross ugly ones. 😂

Be mindful of where you are staying and the hours of the day or night and parking for the masseur. Parking is a beeeeeyyyyyatch in downtown LA especially if you want the masseur to bring a table or not. I never go to downtown anymore for that reason unless it's really late at night and I trust where I can leave my car.

I love cute feet with a nice smell, and I developed a thing for nice clean holes that somehow that don't smell like ass. A reoccurring client is a blonde twink and he asked me beforehand to hook up after the massage, so while he was sniffing poppers I put his legs up and dug my nose into him an old went to town.

Yup that's what I do to have a more attractive client base as well as offer discounts to law enforcement as a code for being a fellow right winger. Blue Lives Matter lol

Is waxing also a code for providing extras? I can't stand that everyone has different intentions and expectations. It is what it is I guess. I help clients shave and wax, but I took that service off because some men seemed to excited and creepy about it. One client wanted me to probe him with his razor, and I suppose the cheap Gillette razor had some sentimental value because he went berserk the next day texting me that he couldn't find it and thought I stole it.

Do providers have an option to not be listed?

"Do you mind if I touch you?" is a great way to break the ice but how far the touching goes depends on the masseur.

What sucks about this line of work if you don't advertise yourself as erotic and if the client doesn't ask any questions beforehand, is that you don't know what the client wants. You don't know his real intentions and some just want a therapeutic massage and that's all. No genital stimulation whatsoever. I think a HE can be included in a therapeutic massage. Whether I want to do it or not is another story. I love the tension. I love that moment when I see that an attractive client starts to relax his hands and let his fingers wander. He's in my realm, and that's nicer than saying he's in my trap and I'm going to have fun and get paid for it.

The Velvet Mafia is the real gay Mafia. They're in all the metropolitan cities and aren't just in the entertainment and fashion industries. I got "acquainted" through a doctor I met who lived with a retired journalist turned exec producer that worked in the White House during the Jackie O days and bit after, she moved out. The most legendary members are dead, well they naturally died of old age, and I won't name names but celebrities that are out, and aren't out, have adjacent properties next to each other, allegedly near the Coachella festival grounds and that's where the parties are. The vast majority of the "entertainment" don't exactly know who the hell these men are and how big of a scene it is. They probably assume they're at some rich old guys house like in Palm Springs.

It's fun encountering protective clients looking for budget prostitution, and it's more fun making fun of them when they try to haggle.

My clients go to Coachella but for fun and are not looking to hire. Although they are high rollers, they are with friends and it would be awkward for them to disappear for a bit so they hire when they come back from that weekend. I'll just say that the "velvet Mafia" aka as the Gay Mafia have several properties very close to Coachella festival grounds, and at the parties they have, and they are well known for them and for gathering porn stars, escorts, and young men there, that's where the money is made, if you play your cards right. You can mingle and hook up, some men will pay. There's always some that will, but you can get more money and connections if you develop a friendship and meet the same man again afterwards to really cash in, and you want that to happen because again, the gay Mafia. Screw up though and you can get blacklisted and that's not a joke, but that crowd is very exclusive and small, so it won't really hurt you. There's catty gays on every level. Generally Coachella is not the place to escort or even massage because most guys that can hire, do not have that on their mind, they will hire you when they get back, and they are more likely to casually hook up with a festival-goer.

I've asked clients to describe what they want as an erotic and sensual massage because everyone has a different expectation, and I always get a different answer. What I find odd, is that nowadays I'm hearing directly from new clients that sensual means just a slow, soft Swedish massage. To me, a happy ending is sexual. Anything stimulating the genitals whether or not an orgasm happens, is sexual. It is sensual and it is erotic. I love it when potential clients want to argue that a happy ending isn't sexual or erotic. Whatever.

I think sex is so casual among gay men and is something you can easily get, moreso when you're younger, so that keeps the rates down that clients are willing to pay. There are so many guys getting into the game especially during hard economic times. It's supply and demand and I suppose there will always be a supply now with where society is going. The same thing is happening with heteros. Sex workers make more money in conservative areas. With the more liberal views about sex, sex workers make much less. I heard a stripper say it "why pay $300 for an escort, when you can just buy a hussie a few drinks and take her home?" People will counter that argument by saying escorts are a pro at what they do, they can almost guarantee a great experience, and they are discreet and regularly tested...well they're unicorns. We just have the find the rates that work well for us, and then we have to adapt when it changes. Escorting is not a career except for some unicorns and legendary pornstar-caliber unicorns, and we have to throw in the towel someday soon.

It's offensive when prospective clients ask me if I'll be erotic with them and if I offer a discount. It offends me when clients mention their regular masseur is on vacation. That's not info that I need to know. On one hand that could be my opportunity to steal the client but only clients that I never would want to see again ever say that. It's offensive when clients comment on why I don't have a Spanish surname because they think I'm Latino and forget that this country is a melting pot. It's offensive when clients ask me why I don't speak Spanish. I don't have to speak it and it's no one's business why. It offends me when clients mention they were m0lested as k!ds and it's some pity party like I'm their shrink. It's offensive when clients will come in and rave about socialism and universal basic income because of some crap they heard on the way over on NPR. I was named after a relative that was killed in a communist country and usually Americans of my particular demographic do not enjoy hearing about socialism. It offends me when clients will talk about politics and say something assuming I'm also a liberal democrat. It offends me when clients talk about cheating on their wives, but I get a kick out of hearing the different reasons they use to justify it. It offends me when clients talk about getting a cheaper massage elsewhere like an Asian spa or an $8 massage in Thailand. I like to respond with a very very crude joke when I hear that. Part of the job is to just listen and let the client vent, and pretend to be interested. At this point I just don't care so I respond back based on how I feel.

Excellent. I've been on that site for a decade already, and I really try to not seem so friendly and perky in my ads because personality is far from that especially with new people. For some reason Black clients always chastise me for not being goofy and loud and animated. I suppose some people feel insecure and uncomfortable if they're not immediately loved and entertained.

For those that advertise on MF, how are we supposed to come up with a new weekly discount when the website doesn't allow you to reuse previous discounts? There's only so many ways you can write $20 off or 20%/percent off. It's like are supposed to come up with 52 unique discounts a year. For those that don't know, the website grades our profiles and says it won't rank it as high or whatever. I doubt it matters how high you rank since most clients will really look and shop around.

Well that's what doublelist is if you're creative and not too obvious about being a client or provider. Doublelist is basically what craiglist personals used to be.

A prospective client approached me and asked if I had a discount. I looked up his phone number and name, and found his social media so told him bluntly "I'm not attracted to you so why the hell would I be erotic for less money?"

Hell yeah I have, but I've learned that there's something about clients paying you, that makes it hot or okay for them. Everyone is different but when I offer freebies or just offer to meet and hangout with clients my age, it just doesn't work out. So I've learned to just accept my role and let the guys approach me.