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I think sex is so casual among gay men and is something you can easily get, moreso when you're younger, so that keeps the rates down that clients are willing to pay. There are so many guys getting into the game especially during hard economic times. It's supply and demand and I suppose there will always be a supply now with where society is going. The same thing is happening with heteros. Sex workers make more money in conservative areas. With the more liberal views about sex, sex workers make much less. I heard a stripper say it "why pay $300 for an escort, when you can just buy a hussie a few drinks and take her home?" People will counter that argument by saying escorts are a pro at what they do, they can almost guarantee a great experience, and they are discreet and regularly tested...well they're unicorns. We just have the find the rates that work well for us, and then we have to adapt when it changes. Escorting is not a career except for some unicorns and legendary pornstar-caliber unicorns, and we have to throw in the towel someday soon.

It's offensive when prospective clients ask me if I'll be erotic with them and if I offer a discount. It offends me when clients mention their regular masseur is on vacation. That's not info that I need to know. On one hand that could be my opportunity to steal the client but only clients that I never would want to see again ever say that. It's offensive when clients comment on why I don't have a Spanish surname because they think I'm Latino and forget that this country is a melting pot. It's offensive when clients ask me why I don't speak Spanish. I don't have to speak it and it's no one's business why. It offends me when clients mention they were m0lested as k!ds and it's some pity party like I'm their shrink. It's offensive when clients will come in and rave about socialism and universal basic income because of some crap they heard on the way over on NPR. I was named after a relative that was killed in a communist country and usually Americans of my particular demographic do not enjoy hearing about socialism. It offends me when clients will talk about politics and say something assuming I'm also a liberal democrat. It offends me when clients talk about cheating on their wives, but I get a kick out of hearing the different reasons they use to justify it. It offends me when clients talk about getting a cheaper massage elsewhere like an Asian spa or an $8 massage in Thailand. I like to respond with a very very crude joke when I hear that. Part of the job is to just listen and let the client vent, and pretend to be interested. At this point I just don't care so I respond back based on how I feel.

Excellent. I've been on that site for a decade already, and I really try to not seem so friendly and perky in my ads because personality is far from that especially with new people. For some reason Black clients always chastise me for not being goofy and loud and animated. I suppose some people feel insecure and uncomfortable if they're not immediately loved and entertained.

For those that advertise on MF, how are we supposed to come up with a new weekly discount when the website doesn't allow you to reuse previous discounts? There's only so many ways you can write $20 off or 20%/percent off. It's like are supposed to come up with 52 unique discounts a year. For those that don't know, the website grades our profiles and says it won't rank it as high or whatever. I doubt it matters how high you rank since most clients will really look and shop around.

Well that's what doublelist is if you're creative and not too obvious about being a client or provider. Doublelist is basically what craiglist personals used to be.

A prospective client approached me and asked if I had a discount. I looked up his phone number and name, and found his social media so told him bluntly "I'm not attracted to you so why the hell would I be erotic for less money?"

Hell yeah I have, but I've learned that there's something about clients paying you, that makes it hot or okay for them. Everyone is different but when I offer freebies or just offer to meet and hangout with clients my age, it just doesn't work out. So I've learned to just accept my role and let the guys approach me.

That's basically what I do. After a decade in the game it still boggles my mind how complete strangers that end up looking really grotesque and even decrepit expect me to have an erection and to be into them. I thought alcohol would help but I gained a tolerance and it only made me more ballsy with saying "no." So if the client is disappointed that they couldn't get laid or get some hot action, well at least they got a great massage and that's all that was advertised anyway. I'm not a chaser but I find some fat guys to be absolutely sexy and I prefer guys that I meet personally to have a belly.

Not at all, he just keeps his rates affordable.

I answered a craiglist ad I think either in gigs or adult gigs back in the day looking for an office assistant and when I went to the interview site at some house in the valley, it was basically a brothel and the job was to massage men with extras. It had co-ed providers with girls and guys. I stayed for 2 weeks and then left when someone offered to let me massage at his place to keep more money for myself. Then a few years later I ended up going to massage school and never actually thought if I wanted to massage all day for a while, so when I graduated I just worked for myself because I didn't want to work a "real 9 to 5" job, and I still don't. I briefly worked at a spa ran by graduates of my massage school and it was a disaster. Everyone I knew went back to school a year later for something different, because massaging +6 people a day is exhausting no matter what the pay is.

He keeps the prices lower to see more young clients his age regularly so that they can afford him. When you get that busy, you can pick and choose who you work on.

This is a whole other topic for another forum and while I want prostitution to be decriminalized, we will all make much less money because there will be so many more people getting into it. It's funny too that feminist women's groups reallydon't want prostitutes to have less stigma and criminalization, essentially giving women more rights and protections, because they'll have less control over men. Why put up with a womans crap when you can just easily get laid elsewhere? Oh well that's not our problem!

A male stripper interviewed on the YouTube channel Soft White Underbelly and he said women hate being exploited but men love it. There was an attempt to ruffie me, which I escaped from, and being groped and fondled without my consent was neve fun, but I have legit PTSD and anxiety over different reasons. I like being exploited and watched and violated but only by men I'm attracted to. After being a provider for so long I am very strict with the body types and smells and ages that I like. I have seen and experienced so many that I just won't compromise. I'm traumatized too in the way with how bad clients smell or how fvcking annoying they are. I hate being irritated and cannot stand being around certain people after a certain amount of time. That's after years of tolerating annoying and weird people who just took advantage of my time and kindness. I've traveled overseas with clients, went to the opera, post office, airport, to a catholic mass, and took them to doctors appointments, LOL and just had enough. Also, constantly talking to clients that are lonely and sad and desperately need affection got fvcking old and cringey and that wasn't what I did, nor wanted to deal with no matter the amount of money. So I have anxiety when I perceive someone as a pity case. Ouch. I really grieved when I learned that clients of mine died because they were father figures to me. I grieved for years that so many clients were so lonely and sad despite being successful, rich, and good looking and I didn't know how to help them, nor avoid turning out like them. It sucked too to really enjoy seeing some regular clients over the years and then they drop off the face of the Earth and move on with their husbands, or got too paranoid over the pandemic. It sucked to learn that I'm into different than a barber or accountant. This is a business and customers will eventually look elsewhere especially because they are males, and us males love variety and fresh meat, mo matter how good the husband/wife/mistress/provider is. So it su led to really miss some clients that I got to know over the years. I warn young men who come off as slutty in general to be very careful and take it slow because they will ruin their ability to pairbond and they can never really repair it once they cross that line. Someone told me, "you only have a few chances for monogamy. After 100 dicks you can't be monogamous." A lot of men these days seem to be open to having open relationships but there still are a lot of men that aren't. So there's a lot of different forms of trauma and different reasons to be traumatized and it's not just rape and assault that can cause it.

I think it's a given that if you are or are approaching the senior citizen age, and/or are really big, and/or have a facial deformity, it is very polite to tell the provider beforehand. You can't assume someone just because someone advertises, that he is open to everyone. I can't get hard for everyone nor can I fake it nor medicate myself to do it, so I'd rather offer up that opportunity to another provider. My recommendation is to ask the providers that look super young 18 to 22 yo because they're newbies and haven't been jaded yet and they're so easily impressed by compliments and fast cash, that they will hardly turn anyone down. I even made a list of a few of my youngest competitors, which I refer people to, and I see it as good karma for myself.

To give you the optimum chance of being satisfied, you have to make sure he is into doing that. You have to tell him what you want and you should describe yourself. I had regular client that asked me to kiss him so I pecked him on the lips and he told me to really kiss him, and I declined. He irritated me because of a few things before in our sessions and I wasn't attracted to him at all. I told him he was going to tell that I don't mean it and don't want to do it. He understood and thankfully left me alone. I'm sure he really wanted some foreplay but he never addressed it verbally, beforehand, and he hired me for a massage, not that.

The hardest part is not being able to know what my client looks like if I can't find his name and social media and verify his age, and other factors. I do not service everyone so that's the hardest part. The 2nd is that there aren't safe places for us to advertise when we want business. Back in the day, if business was slow, you could just post an ad on craigslist and meet someone, or just strut the sidewalk, LOL.

When I'm really attracted to a client, and we played around and had a good time, I tell them straight out to contact me again soon and the session will be my treat. After so many years, that "method" has only worked with 2 guys, while the rest just prefer to come to me and pay me. Oh well, if they want to pay me when I clearly insinuated that I would F them for free, then by all means... I understand that different men have their different reasons for paying, and some have told me it's the professional context that makes it okay for them versus something personal. They also don't feel guilty cheating on their partners if they are paying me. Whatever floats your boat!

His face, his feet, his hygiene, personality, if he's circumcised, good kisser, and I don't care what he pays or tips as long as I enjoy him and see him often.

I just like the first message to be short and to the point. I dont care to chat and flirt with people I don't know, and lately I've been getting a lot of that. One attorney client would just pop in and ask me one question a day. Another guy wanted me to basically hold his hand and walk though his first gay experience or whatever. I don't care for that, especially if I don't know what someone looks like. This isn't the 90s. I'm not some hotline. I enjoy it when a prospective client sends me a photo because it saves me time trying to find a picture of them on social media and looking up their name and age online, and over the years I get the feeling that clients send their pictures not so much to make me comfortable and give me a sense of ease, but they do it for maybe an unspoken way to get my consent to be erotic with them. "I sent you my picture, and although nothing was asked beforehand about nudity and eroticism, I expect a sensual experience because you took the appointment. You accepted me." I know I am paranoid and crazy. And the young good looking guys that send their pictures are often flakey and cancel 9 times out of 10. Do they expect me to worship and drool over them and offer them a discount or a free massage because they're 25 yo and cute??? Probably.

A man dressing like peter pan or even Ms. Doubtfire isn't the same as drag queens. You know it, and everyone else knows it. They don't have that blatant sexual tone, hand dance sexually, and often aren't speaking with some fake New England accent. Idk why drag queens always talk like that but that's besides the point. We wouldn't complain if so many weren't busted for charges for child molestation, assault, and even possession of CP. We wouldn't complain so much if they weren't provocatively dressed as a caricature of sleazy women, and if we didn't have footage of them twerking and teaching kids to twerk and having kids give them dollar bills. The mothers that have their kids participate in that are absolutely sick.

Yeah regular people that aren't twerking and don't have rap sheets for molestation. Idk why these people can't vet these drag queens and at least make sure they've never been to jail.

No I was an extreme BLM pan african indigenous power liberal. I still am pro choice but for a completely different reason lol. I never gave a shit about Catholicism and rebelling, that shit is so 90s cliche.

Where's the lie though? He might offend people but he's not really lying. All the stats show we are pretty miserable and suffer from pathologies exponentially more than straights. There's an epidemic of middle aged gays committing suicide and none of our activist organizations and publications even care to spread awareness about it. I often recommend to these bible thumpers to just stick to the science and reference statistics. The numbers don't lie and they make a bigger impact than the sin bullshit.

Yeah a simple flu. We're both healthy and 30, we'll survive, just like the last time

Where is this "long covid" coming from? Is there long influenza/long flu? Something's obviously up.