AJ Doyle

Please don't take this wrong (lest I might have taken you wrong), but don't feel "sorry" for anyone like us, in "times like this".

 

I'm not understanding where some people think there's this surplus of funds to save up. I want to see how some of these people are living. If someone is fortunate enough to truly be able to go client-free during this period which could last til June, you have to either have been getting a good amount of clients, or like @marylander1940 said, very thrifty.

 

In my case, just this week alone: I had to renew my car insurance, Rentmen ad, phone bill, and some other miscellaneous bills/essentials from Amazon. All to the tune of about $500.

 

As for "savings", I had some left over from a tour two weeks ago, because at this point there's really nowhere to go to spend money on. I had 1 Local client last week (who I won't be seeing again due to his repeated psycho analyzation after every session we do). And then I had a client send me a nice deposit for a session later this week.

 

So, that's just how it is. My only regrets is not asking a different client for a deposit. I met him previously, and he was fine. But he flaked back in December, and I gave him a 2nd chance. Only for him to do it AGAIN yesterday. We were supposed to be doing a 2 hour out of town session, with it potentially being an overnight. Did the same thing he did previously; comes across interested on the phone, but then day of comes and no response at all.

 

And what made it so bad, he came around and contacted me last week, like his disappearing act in December never happened. I brought it up. I give him a chance, but then they take my kindness for weakness. And then other clients are shocked when we ask for deposits. Because some people mess it up for others. For a little while I thought I'd ease up on the deposits, but clearly I'm going to have to go right back to doing it again.

 

People like that don't appreciate our craft. Then they can't understand why I cut their ties. And 10 times out of 10, they come back around. It’s almost like they can’t remember. But when they keep doing the same thing, they are no longer a customer, but a shoplifter. Shoplifting my valuable time. And the only way to stop it is with a deposit.

I re read my comment. I was up late and I guess I didn't word what I said very sensitively. I wasn't bragging though that I'm doing well. I was just sharing what I did to prepare for this... Mostly cause I'm a glass half full kinda guy, so I'm always planning for bad shit to happen. But I can see how it came off the wrong way. Sorry about that. I only chose to quit working cause I have a roommate that is super intense about this pandemic and didn't wanna listen to his complaining each time I went out. In return though I told him to not expect my full rent. Which he agreed to. I totally don't judge others for working though and I guess you thought I was? I wasn't. Anyways hopefully we are on the same page now and you aren't mad at me anymore? I will prob just delete my comment since it upset you and be more careful on this forum about commenting?

I'm sure Trump has hired more than his fair share of escorts in the past:)

 

Makes sense though they dropped the rates, I'm surprised they still allow escorts to list what they are into sexually.

 

Is this law the same reason rentmen won't display detailed reviews in the US but will if you look at the reviews from a country outside the us?

For detailed reviews you can find those in the US on Daddys Reviews. Like mine: http://www.daddysreviews.com/review/aj_doyle_oc

I don't know why RM doesn't offer detailed reviews though.

Please don't take this wrong (lest I might have taken you wrong), but don't feel "sorry" for anyone like us, in "times like this".

 

I'm not understanding where some people think there's this surplus of funds to save up. I want to see how some of these people are living. If someone is fortunate enough to truly be able to go client-free during this period which could last til June, you have to either have been getting a good amount of clients, or like @marylander1940 said, very thrifty.

 

In my case, just this week alone: I had to renew my car insurance, Rentmen ad, phone bill, and some other miscellaneous bills/essentials from Amazon. All to the tune of about $500.

 

As for "savings", I had some left over from a tour two weeks ago, because at this point there's really nowhere to go to spend money on. I had 1 Local client last week (who I won't be seeing again due to his repeated psycho analyzation after every session we do). And then I had a client send me a nice deposit for a session later this week.

 

So, that's just how it is. My only regrets is not asking a different client for a deposit. I met him previously, and he was fine. But he flaked back in December, and I gave him a 2nd chance. Only for him to do it AGAIN yesterday. We were supposed to be doing a 2 hour out of town session, with it potentially being an overnight. Did the same thing he did previously; comes across interested on the phone, but then day of comes and no response at all.

 

And what made it so bad, he came around and contacted me last week, like his disappearing act in December never happened. I brought it up. I give him a chance, but then they take my kindness for weakness. And then other clients are shocked when we ask for deposits. Because some people mess it up for others. For a little while I thought I'd ease up on the deposits, but clearly I'm going to have to go right back to doing it again.

 

People like that don't appreciate our craft. Then they can't understand why I cut their ties. And 10 times out of 10, they come back around. It’s almost like they can’t remember. But when they keep doing the same thing, they are no longer a customer, but a shoplifter. Shoplifting my valuable time. And the only way to stop it is with a deposit.

I'm not sure what I said that upset you!? I just said that I am doing well cause financially I was prepared. When I said I feel sorry for anyone that didn't prepare... I didn't mean pity. I just meant I'm glad that I'm not in that situation. I was basically saying I'm very lucky.... Wasn't a dig on you or anyone else. Just expressing that others are suffering and I am Not... I really don't understand how my sharing that I am not experiencing hard times upset you? I guess I worded what I said poorly so for that I apologize. I am thrifty though. Always plan for bad shit to happen. So that has worked out for me. And as for my RM ad I froze mine. Anyways sorry you are having difficulty and that my comment upset you. I think you misunderstood or took what I was saying the wrong way. I'm regretting coming into the forum last night :-(

As of today, sporting equipment stores in CA are allowed to re-open, but with curbside pick-up, so you get to workout even before you are home.

yeah except no dumbbells are available. It's a joke them reopening sporting goods stores! They can stay closed as far as I care cause there are no dumbbells to be found cause ebay buyers hoarded them so they could sell them 100x what they bought them for :-(

Your rentmen ad suggests that you're living in Orange County, CA. Govenor Newsom was asked about Nail Salons in his daily briefing a few hours ago, and said that they would likely not be allowed for a few more *weeks* even with proper sanitation and PPE. I would assume that giving a massage involves at least as much proximity and time as manicures.

I don't listen to anything Gavin says. One week he says it spreads in the gym (Not True) and then he is attacking nail salons. I don't wanna respond to that question any further though as I don't wanna risk having what I said used against me. LOL. Or upsetting anyone by sharing my personal opinions about Gavin any further.

You are right. By the time I made that comment the situation was completely different and it seems like (except for NY) the situation is progressively getting under control. I also think it will help a lot to if more people (escorts and clients) proactively get tested and mark themselves positive for antibodies (immunity) so they can go for service without fearing Covid infection. The few cases that were reported as reinfection or relapse in Asia were demonstrated as false negatives by scientists in China and South Korea. Covid is a virus way trickier than others so the sensitivity had to be calibrated to provide the correct results. What is concerning is that a good chunk of clients are in the high risk group of 50+ who took precautions from the start and might never hire again until a reliable vaccine for them launches to market.

Yeah I have wondered that myself. I still get requests though, so I think they will hire again. Up till now I've been declining to take appointments though. I don't want anyone accusing me of not honoring the shut down and going off on me.

That down low location you wonk out at can't be that much of a secret since you let all of us know. So, where is it?

I can't say. Sorry. They only see existing clients. After the Mayor of LA went and told people to start snitching on everyone they had to be really careful.

Curious if any folks have changed their view of any escorts because of their actions during this crisis? I have a couple of guys locally that I had planned to get with. Neither of them stopped seeing clients. When I inquired, I was told they have "stopped kissing." I have lost total respect for them and could never hire them in the future, not out of Covid fear, but because of a lack of respect. Curious if anyone is in the same boat?

They prob "stopped kissing" as to not risk catching Rona and giving to you.... So it sounds like they are trying to still work but protect you... Me personally I quit working back in Feb. cause I didn't wanna deal with guys being pissed when I asked them if they had traveled recently and where!?

Just FYI, the stimulus bill extended unemployment to cover the self-employed and at least in some states you can get benefits if your hours were reduced. My sister has a side gig walking dogs and now that most of her customers are home, she was able to collect partial unemployment PLUS the extra $600/week they put in the bill.

I applied. I pay taxes on my income, so I qualify as long as I filed correctly... Still waiting to find out. I always plan ahead for slow times, so even without possible govt money I've been pretty much set to weather this storm. I haven't depleted all of my cash yet and I have plenty of credit cards as backup... The ones that planned ahead for financial problems will weather the storm just fine....

Number of Rentmen pages in big expensive cities were slayed by half or so, but I've seen few ads reappearing. I'm gonna say those guys got sick and scared, froze their ads, and when recovered got back to work (you can see recent reviews) to pay the rent cause there's no money saved. Some people just like playing the Russian Roulette.

I dont know about the others, but for me I froze my account for fear potential clients would try to shame me for having my profile active. Some people are going into Karen mode and being very judgmental if we advertise during this pandemic, so I just shut it down as I didn't want any DRAMA! Plus my roommate didn't want me working during the pandemic for fear I'd bring something home. He gives me a gift each week I don't work as incentive. This last week I got a massage gun as reward for not working. lol. So a escort freezing their account doesn't necessarily mean they caught Covid-19. They might just be respecting the shut down.... My state is suppose to open up in a week, so I am planning to unfreeze my ad in the upcoming days....

I am afraid that staying indoors so much during this time of isolation, (along with the inevitable snacking) is going to turn me into a whale of a guy! May even impact my immune system...

 

How are you staying in shape with gyms closed and public parks too crowded?

 

There are a bunch of Instagram celebrities offering advice. And paid coaching. Or maybe join a service for at home exercise like Obe fitness? Some of those guys are really cute too!! ?

 

I don't like the idea of Peloton which requires expensive equipment and a hefty monthly fee.

I climb my hill daily at least two times (2 miles). Sometimes 4x. My trainer sees me 2x a week at a private downlow underground location... It's like Fight Club but without the fighting. But I don't tell anyone about my secret DL location that I am able to train at with weights. Watch my calories. Also bought some basic workout equipment for my home workouts. Weights are hard to find, but I managed to find a few by driving to 6 different Walmarts the day the shutdown happened back in March. When I saw Gavin I jumped into my convertible and basically drove from town to town till I got a basic collection as I knew the weights were about to disappear.

As I lost my cruise with Celebrity in March (and not happy about what Celebrity decided to refund); but wonder, anyone thinking of going on a cruise for the rest of the year. I thought of October, but my job puts me right in the line of information regarding COVID so I'm not going to fly for the rest of year and not sure about cruising. Thoughts?

I have no desire to do a cruise... Cruises aren't safe IMO. I would do a private trip with a client that has his own boat or yacht, but I'm not getting on a commercial cruise cause I don't feel they are safe...

I'm asking, because I've tried contacting people using Rentmen's new messenger app, but have yet to get anyone to respond to it.

I personally don't like it cause it's yet another place for me to check for messages. Makes extra work for me. I already have missed calls, texts, regular emails, regular RM emails...and now I need to be on top of IM messages on RM!? So No I don't like it. I will notice your text or regular email faster.... As i get those notifications immediately.... I do my best though to check all the platforms...

Here’s the deal. My fetish/passion is oral cock worship. I look for providers that love that scene and really get off on making their dick the center of attention and getting serviced to completion. I get real tired of providers who advertise as tops telling me they love getting sucked off only to get there and be told that they can’t cum from head and prefer to fuck. When I find those true oral top feeders it’s a great time for all, so why can’t providers find a way to let prospective clients know that a preference? There are a lot of guys like me out here.

I say just ask. Keep in mind though you need to be a good cock sucker if you wanna make your guy cum? I use to think I couldn't cum from just oral, but then this guy went down on me once and I came within a few minutes. So IMO it's all about skill level.

Im curious of what the sentiment is out there. I stopped taking massage clients in mid-March when the lockdowns began. Im wondering when you would feel comfortable taking clients, assuming you’ve stopped taking them? I know that massage may be a different than Escort work. My personal feeling has been to wait until the anti-body tests became available en masse and them tale clients again with precautions but i also may remain on hiatus indefinitely. I’m curious to other’s thoughts on this.

I stopped taking massage and escort clients in February. I'm planning to resume May 15 when our state is suppose to open back up... I stopped mostly cause I didn't wanna be accused of not taking this pandemic seriously. But to be honest if our state extends it past the 15th (It's been two months come on guys) then I'm going to still resume taking clients....

By the time the stay at home orders are lifted and gyms are reopened, most of the escorts and masseurs will not have seen a gym since they closed and will have been very limited in their working out, if they've done anything at all. If you're expecting them to match their pics, might need to wait a few weeks before that'll be the case, I would think. Anyone else thinking the same thing?

I can't answer for other escorts but as for myself I've gone out of my way to find ways to work out in spite of gyms being closed. We are allowed to exercise in our neighborhoods, so I've used my hill that I live on top of to hike but doing 4 roundtrips a day that equals 4 miles a day. I managed to snag a few light weights before all the dumbbells disappeared. I also bought a bunch of work out bands to make up for the fact that larger weights are not able to be found for purchase. While you are prob right and alot of escorts might fall out of shape cause of the gyms closing...for some of us that really care about staying in shape we have been thinking outside of the Box to make sure we stay in shape.

Do you still have to field those questions even though there's a link to your personal site and it has that information? Oh wait, I already know the answer to that, they only look at your photos before they message you.

LOL. Correct! They only look at my pics! So yes I still have to field those Questions. :-( It makes our life alot harder than it needs to be though. Whenever someone messages me though and says they checked out my website they found on my ad and doesn't ask me my rates (cause they saw them on my website by clicking the link) I'm immediately impressed and extra excited to meet them!! Like it legit makes me Hard as Fuck when a guy mentions they read my ad and liked my website vs a guy that just looks at my pis.

But why are they only doing it in the US? They aren't a US based site.

Trump passed a law that said sites could be held resp for trafficking so all sites including RM got nervous and decided to drop the "rate" info for fear of being fined. The law he passed says its to go after human trafficking, but it was really meant to go after escorts. That is why Craigslist ads are gone and why RM sites no longer mention rates, so they can claim ignorance if ever brought up in a suit by the govt. It's just as frustrating for us as it is you though. Cause of the new law it means we waste ALOT of time answering rate question. Most are bargain shopping so it was easier for us when our rates were listed and cheap clients could see that we were out of their price range and didn't message us. Now we have to respond to bargain shoppers all day long. :-(

Of course, and you did say 'your favourite escort' so that would imply one you'd previously contacted. Sorry, didn't think of that before my previous post.

That's ok. I have a regular client I've seen for 2 years that texted me and was concerned my account was frozen. So even though he saw me for 2 years he didn't think to hit the reply button. lol. I'm not on the client side though, so I could be wrong about the "reply" option being available? For me though even if clients are inconvenienced it was the right decision to freeze my account as I didn't want any past or future clients to worry that I was being unsafe and still trying to work.... Im not really fearful of catching it myself but about catching it and being asymptomatic and giving to someone else that can't fight it off.... Most escorts if they caught it prob would not have any symptoms as most of us work out regularly and stay very healthy... But not all of our clients would be as lucky. So I'm taking a break to make sure my regulars and any new clients are Safe.... Fortunately I have a bit saved up, so I can afford to take a Break...

Hi AJ, I thought I had seen a note at the top of a frozen ad page saying that we can't contact escorts through those ads, so I checked again and all the contact option are greyed out, so if you meant through RM, then sadly not. If, however, you meant via your personal web site, obviously that is an option!

Oh they greyed the contact option out? Didn't know that. Well if you have contacted them in the past...you can still email them by hitting "reply" to the last email you sent thru RM. If you have never messaged them before though...then sadly No you won't be able to contact them. If you have messaged them before though and hit reply to the last message...the escort will see your message.

Maybe this doesn't belong on this thread, but has any escort tried applying for unemployment in their state? In theory, "gig workers" should be eligible, subject to having some kind of documentation of income. I assume most escorts are like me, and filed taxes for years as a self-employed whatever. That solves the short-term income problem, in theory.

CA is making us wait till April 28 to apply as self employed gig workers, but we will be getting back pay.

I blacklisted those with their rentmen ads on, not using the freeze or covid19 options. There are some who are even traveling. It’s frankly irresponsible and insulting to clients.

I froze my ad but I still get requests. I try to be nice but a few times I've Not and messaged back..."Did Gavin lift the stay at home order and Forget to Tell Me!??" LOL

Does most insurance cover monthly testing? Just curious with people’s experience.

I do 3 month checkups thru my insurance. On the other two months I go to a free testing clinic, so that I manage to get tested monthly. I don't have to pay for the ones I do at the free clinic, but I usually make a donation.

A provider I have met several times texted me today asking for a deposit for our next meetings, since times are tough. Last time we were together it was a 5-day long hire, so I know and trust the guy. But I’m not really sure when I’m going to be able to hire him again, so right now it feels a little risky to put a deposit on something I’m not sure it’s going to happen. But I still feel I could help him, and anyways it’s very likely I would still getting my “money” back. Any insight, opinions?

Some of us keep emergency funds on standby in case anything like this ever happens. I feel sorry for those that didn't :-(. It's a personal decision for you to decide on whether you want to do that!? I just know I would never ask my clients to do something like that. I'm actually turning clients away cause I have funds in my savings to get me thru these tough times... If you really like the guy though and trust him...it's your money. You should do what makes you feel comfortable....

I'm asking, because I've tried contacting people using Rentmen's new messenger app, but have yet to get anyone to respond to it.

I don't like the RM messenger app cause it's yet one more app to add to my phone and fill up my memory. I prefer clients either text me directly or just email me. I will respond to RM messenger, but I don't always notice it as fast as I notice a text... As for the negative comments about guys that use google voice!? I have a google voice number cause it's more convenient and discreet. It's convenient cause I will get an email notification in case I don't notice the text. And it's discreet cause guys won't be able to google my number and get my home address with my google number like they could a regular number. I do have to sometimes turn down clients (some people are crazy you know) and I'd hate to think I end up getting stalked at my home by someone I decided I didn't feel comfortable meeting!?