AJ Doyle

But how are you at birthing those babies of unwed mothers?

I don't know nothin about birthin no babies!!

Daaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyuuuuuuummmmmm. He didn’t just throw shade. He threw Lemondade!

 

@KazBrawley, I say put yourself as Versatile, and clarify in the body of your profile you’re into doing both equally.

 

I think there should be an alliance between Escorts and Clients. Escorts should be honest in their profiles about what they are actually willing to do, and any caveats to be known. Clients should read Escorts profiles as written and not read into what is not there, are try to persuade variations! Wouldn’t that make things better?

Asking people to read our ad!!!!? Not just look at our pictures.... Oh that's alot to ask! LOL jk Seriously though I agree! Being honest would make a client's job life alot easier and make our jobs as Escorts soooo much easier. Constantly having to deal with people that don't believe our ads cause of another escort that lied...it gets exhausticating sometimes. lol

We're acting as if there are these firm rules in place on any of this. Haven't we learned by now that everything is gray area?

 

As with any communication, just ask the guy what he's into, tell him what you're into and see if you can't rub two sticks together to make fire.

 

If his version of things are different than yours, no harm-no foul. At least you know beforehand.

I agree! Just ask what he is into. Or heaven forbid read his ad. LOL!

I see why you do it. But before getting to you, I ask one verse top, and he said, “no I only top.” I asked another, and he said, “ yeah if you pay me double.” And I get the same responses over and over again, so by the time I came to you, I stopped asking. And I’m not lying, those were constant replies.

 

You said it’s more important to maintain bottom clients. Fare enough. But by the vary nature of that response, tells me that my business is not as important anyway.

No I didn't mean that Top clients were not as important. I re-read my comment and I NEVER stated "it's more important to maintain bottom clients" as you accused me. Sorry you had your bad experience. :-( And sorry you translated my comment like that. :-( I design my ad the best I know how to express what I'm into. Now others that mentioned escorts that lie...on the flip side that makes the job of other escorts like myself...who are truthful...makes our job alot harder too. So the original question was what does Vers Top mean. I guess to everyone it is diffent. I was expressing what it means to me. And why I label myself the way I do. The phrase VersTop to me means I am Vers and yes I Top. But everyone is different. So just ask. It takes a couple of keystrokes to ask. Or read their ad. As some of us (like myself) clearly state what we are into. Yes some lie. I feel the majority do not lie though. So don't let a few bad apples sour you.

It means, “I want to have more people click on my profile”

 

As a top, I just avoid them. I don’t care if I’m missing out. You’re either versatile or you’re not.

I advertise as Vers Top cause I find if I put Vers then Bottom clients will assume I'm lying and really just a bttm. Which is false. Most clients that hire are bottoms. So it would be bad for business for me to let them assume that. In general there are just more gay bottoms and that translates into client world. So for me it means I'm a really good Top...so hire me bottoms...but if you are a Top...and want me to bttm...then yes...YES I do go that way as well!!! That being said markets are different. Like I've noticed Vegas has more Top Clients than Los Angeles or Orange County does. So when I go to Vegas I switch it to Vers...and leave a happy happy Guy! lol So yes I get your reaction but understand for us if we put Vers...then bottoms will never hire us and bottoms are most of our client base...well at least for me... So I'd be broke if I put that.

I cut way back on traveling for the past 10 years, but now becoming more active. Historically, there came a soft knock on my hotel room door, meaning my guest had arrived. And, if I stayed on a limited access floor, or if they heightened security at night, a rentguy balked at the need to meet in the lobby, casino, or.....?

 

I was in Las Vegas recently. Returning soon. No access to elevators without a guest room key. I'm sure heightened security is affecting more than LV.... (Here in SF, 5+ years now, no access to any business office high rises without employee ID or security check-in.)

 

So I'm wondering how or where rentguys prefer to meet hotel clients when they can't just go directly to the room. And, similar question for hotel hosting when security restricts clients' access to hotel rooms.

I am fine going straight to the room or meeting in the lobby. Or meeting in the bar to have a drink beforehand is cool too (as long as the time start with the bar meeting). It's more personal to meet in lobby or hotel bar though and get to know each other a little before you get to the room. I have a regular that to this day still meets me in the lobby. And I really love it.

I know that the OP asked that this stick to clients and not escorts, but this made me chuckle and compelled me to respond.

 

Tuesday I made arrangements with a guy in my town. I've had some bad luck hiring new escorts lately, but figured I might break my unlucky streak as I'd once hired this guy's partner and had an amazing time. He lives about 3 miles from my place, but said that since I was a first-time client, I'd need to send him an Uber to weed out flakes. I told him fine, and I usually offer an Uber anyway. He explained some more that he finds this reduces the number of flakes he gets. OK by me. Sent him a text immediately after our call (around noon) to tell him where I was staying and told him to send me time and address for the Uber.

 

**crickets**

 

Texted him again a half-hour before our scheduled appointment to ask if he was ready for the Uber and where I should send it.

 

**more crickets**

 

About 15 minutes after our agreed-on start time, I sent him a (very polite) text telling him I was making other plans. Never heard a word back.

 

It was my fourth no-show in about four years of hiring, which I figure is a pretty good batting average. But, I always get worried that something might have happened to the guy. First no-show I ever had, the guy blew out his knee in dance class that afternoon and slept through the appointment in a pharmaceutical haze. He actually sent me pics of his swollen knee and the prescription painkiller bottle filled that day So, I was a tiny bit concerned. However, Uber dude checked his RM account an hour after our start time and an hour later his "Available Now" light was back on.

 

The no-show? Annoying, waste of an evening and a perfectly good Viagra. But, that's the cost of business of being a client. But, the gall after explaining in detail that Uber weeds out flakes -- priceless.

 

Now, based on a string of recent experiences, I'm off to go start the "The Climate is Changing (Escorts)" thread

 

@hypothetically -- I was highly suspicious that you were my guy until you said you were in NYC

Sorry that happened to you! :-( I've heard from other clients of similar situations, so it probably does go both ways... The client has an advantage tho in that they can see our reviews or leave bad ones if we flake. We as escorts don't have recourse for bad behavior other than to learn to see the signs and ignore those people. I sometimes wonder tho if I am assuming the worse in someone for showing certain signs when in fact those signs could be a coincidence...? "It's a hard knock life! For us..." LOL

I think you're not going to have a very fun time if you keep getting upset at what's happening, or if you keep searching for the "logic" behind it all. I personally have experienced many of the things you've mentioned (as I'm sure many of the working fellows have), and I sometimes find they seem to come and go; at times, there are more oddball questions and flakes than others. This is part of the business and I would assert that nearly every business on earth has the time wasters, the people who don't read, the people who communicate ineffectively, etc. To me, part of the work we do is dealing with these things.

 

Essentially, you can be right or you can be happy.

Yeah I've learned to read the signs of time wasters and just move on. And not take personally. Like people that call without a text first. I've never had anyone book me that started our correspondence that way. So when my phone rings out of the blue I already know it's a low chance of a booking, so I lower my expectations. If they text me and get to the point...ok this is for serious. And for the former Backpage clients they will eventually get us rentmen guys are professionals and will treat us accordingly...I feel. Or maybe I'm too hopeful and glass half full!?? But I follow your motto and don't let it upset me till it does. If it upsets me I take a few days off and just spend more time in the pool or gym till I recover.

That's what I keep forgetting. They sprayed raid on Craigslist and backpage, but that didn't kill the roaches, they just crawled over to other sites. Ever since that's happened, business has increased overall, but it's gotten worse because all these f-ing bugs are bugging.

 

Just straight up all across the board in every city I've gone to lately, just stupid MoFoes getting on my nerves.

 

1. they message me early in the morning trying to interrupt my sleep

2. They take up to much time with their bullshit messages

3. Then they flake and and don't fucking follow thru with shit when it's time

 

It's like all the flakes from Craigslist are moving to other sites. I've just gone ahead and put note in my ad. I'm not sweet talking or freak talking or anything. I'm making it very plain and clear...because they can find my number so easily, but can't be bothered to read travel dates or call in advance.

 

I'd advise others to follow that link, because the level of insanity is going to get worse if we don't hold MoFoes accountable for their bullshit. There's really no network out there right now to caution escorts about taking appointments with certain callers.

When the Craigslist thing first happened I ended up just taking a month off cause I could not take it anymore. Within one sentence I could tell they were former Craigslist clients. It seems like maybe it's getting better....like the former Craigslist people are learning certain sites like Rentmen...we don't play those shady games!!

The other thing that fucking pisses me off, when people call me...as we’re trying to set up a time, they holler about having stuff to do and can’t wait more than 30 minutes to meet. Well why the fuck did you call me then? That’s not my problem you have stuff to do.

 

People act like they’re calling a tire store or appliance store or something. Dehumanizing. Just no kind of respect or common sense about shit. I’m not a fucking store. Call me as if you’re calling any other sort of private professional or setting up a date with a busy corporate professional. Those plans would have been made well in advance.

 

And the other thing, everybody so scared and unwavering nowadays. You ask them any little question or ask them to do anything out of their comfort zone, they want to get all up the ass about shit. I had one guy in D.C. pay me $280 CANCELLATION FEE, because he decided to cancel simply because I wanted to know a little about what he was looking to get into...because he hadn’t told me that previously. Fortunantely we did reschedule the next day and had the most awesomest appointment I’ve had in a long time. But still...that caused me to temporarily go crazy for a couple of hours, and he almost landed a permanent place on my twitter flake list.

 

And now a week later, 3 mother fuckers pulled that shit today, all for different reasons which were just trivial. I ask a guy to meet me at the hotel in 30 minutes because I’m driving and on my way there, he cancels.

 

People have this unrealistic expectation that we’re just sitting somewhere doing nothing with ourselves but waiting for them. But then, when you actually do that, the mother fuckers don’t call.

I've never had luck with people that call me. If someone dials my number instead of texting me 90 % of the time they are just talkers wanting to waste my time. So it's got to point I will only try to book clients that text me first. If they want to talk on the phone first it's fine. But text me first. If they just call out of the blue I'm already knowing they just want free phone sex when I answer the phone. Also what helps me get thru all the missed appts by people that wait last minute is I just tell myself it's their loss for bad planning. I've had people that see my travel location as 100 miles away from me and ask me to be there in 30 minutes!! I'm like are u gonna send a helicopter to pick me up!? I try to have a good sense of humour about it. But I get your frustration. Some people treat these ads like it's Grindr...which it is NOT! LOL

Thanks for all the great tips! Triple salchow is a figure skating jump haha. As for gushers, I’m assuming that’s the restaurant attached to Habana Inn? I’ve never been into either so I wouldn’t know lol.

Gushers is actually alot of fun! Use to go there after a night of drinking for their late night buffet. Not sure if they still do that? The service was slow, but it was a fun way to sober up before going home.

Congrats on the review! I STILL haven't been reviewed but I also feel weird asking for a review and I think most clients don't like to write reviews, at least where I am lol. Especially since there's also this thing where plenty of escorts prefer to not have reviews, even if they're good ones.

 

 

As for rates, it's very much dependent on your area. Some people might take it the wrong way but, if you're having trouble figuring out what your normal, standard rate should be.. I wouldn't hesitate to contact other escorts near you, explain that you're new and figuring it out, and ask them what they charge. Just don't let it bother you if anyone gets bitchy about it.

 

 

I agree on contacting other escorts about what they charge. Alot of times when you are new though other escorts will message you to strike up a conversation. That's a good time to ask them advise about rates. I don't think most will answer back bitchy, but I'm coming from the California market. We are all pretty nice to each other, so I would assume it would be the same way down there.

Welcome to the Forum and its colorful, opinionated and wonderful members. Consider a road trip down I-35 to Dallas sometime. It’s a short 3-hour drive from OKC and I think you’d do well here. Or conversely, I need to drive up to OKC and enjoy the incomparable Habana Inn, the largest gay resort complex in the Southwest (a shameless plug, I know) and pay you a visit.

 

Just some simple tips—

 

1. An asking price of $250 is reasonable. Psychologically $300 can be a deal breaker for me.

2. Don’t be a clock watcher. Giving a client an extra 15 minutes will increase your repeat business tremendously. Your client will think he’s found a deal.

3. Many escorts I’ve met are obviously in it for the quick money. If you and your client finish the dirty deed after 30 minutes, lay naked in bed with him and make him feel like he’s got the biggest cock on earth, stroke his ego, whisper sweet nothings in his ear. Make your client feel important and that he’s the center of your universe. After all most clients hire for more than just flat out sex. They hire for intimacy, companionship and human touch. Why more escorts haven’t figured this out is beyond me.

4. Do not attempt a triple salchow as your opening move. A simple lay-back spin will suffice.

5. Word travels fast in this community and it can sometimes be brutal. It can also be very complimentary. Don’t be a flake, show up on time, don’t ask for compensation ahead of time.

6. Don’t be afraid to tell a client NO. If you say you’re into something and you’re not the client will be disappointed and not repeat with you.

 

OK, enough of my mentoring. Good luck to you.

 

P.S. Did Gushers restaurant close?

All Great advice! Glad to hear the Coastal rates apply in OKC like I suspected. I'm curious what a triple salchow is though? I guess I should google that. And yes Dallas is a great market. As for the clock watching though. On the flip side if you accidentally go two hours after a client booked an hour...you might lose out on that extra hour of pay. So you need to find a way to be able to know how long it has been without clock watching. Course after a while you will just become really good at knowing it has been an hour of time. If you glance every once in a while at the time, but don't leave as soon as the hour is up...it's ok. I like to always give a little extra time, so it's not so jarring. Like don't be like Ding hour up Bye! LOL I had one client that said another escort actually used a Kitchen timer with a bell for the hour. VERY Tacky!! LOL As for Gushers I'm not sure if they are open or closed. I would assume open? But I did hear the Habana Inn was up for Sell!!

I just started escorting the other day as a tip from my friend who said I would be a good candidate with it. (https://rent.men/FigureSkater) I need some tips on branding and opinions on rates.

Thanks!

Just wanted to comment on the face picture thing. I sometimes lock my face pictures for discretion. Like when I go out and don't want to risk getting recognized. So I think it's fine to have your face pictures locked. Sometimes I unlock them though and make them public and have had clients that told me they only hired me cause the face picture was public and they didn't have to ask me to unlock. So I guess we don't really get the luxury of being discreet in this line of work... lol So what I generally do is make it public unless I'm going somewhere that I think I might be recognized in public.

Also you is in Oklahoma City where it would be even easier for you to be spotted in public. I guess some clients find it an annoyance to ask for the passcode for the private pics if that is where the face pictures are... So as escorts we have to balance how much privacy we want and how much work we want... But again you are in unique situation being in OKC, which is a small community. Everyone knows everyones business.

I am actually from there btw (before moving to California). Last time I went home to visit I took on one client and as for rates I charged what I charge here in Los Angeles and Orange County. I had more offers, but I only accepted one client as I was on vacation. I might have got the same rate as I get on the coast though cause I was visiting and my reviews? So I can't promise that will work for you. You can always give a price though and let them know you are open to negotiation. IF they negotiate too low you can always thank them for their time and move on if it's too low. OKC does have an affluent neighborhoods though such as Nichols Hills. Here on the Coast most of us I think charge $200 to $250 Hour for our time. Porn stars that are famous sometimes go higher than that. Some do less, but I personally don't go below $200. Also you can offer multi hour discounts like some of us do to motivate clients to hire you for more than an hour. Like $200 Hour for first two hours of time and then $100 Hour after. I also do $300 for 90 minutes for a client that wants more than an hour but not a full 2 hours. If a client just wants an hour I charge $240 Hour of time. And I use to offer specials when things were slow. Like during Tax Season things die down alot, so I would offer a lower Tax Season Special. But now we can't advertise rates on rentmen, so that went away. Just be sure you emphasize you are charging for your time. Especially in OKC as it's part of a Red state.

Others more local to OKC might be able to give better advise on rates though than me as I'm Coastal.

It works now. I just had to give it some time before it would let me update my signature without giving me an error. Like after participating on the forum. Thanks everyone for your advice. :-)

I noticed you received another glowing review on Daddy's yesterday- congratulations!!! (Since I started the thread, I am sure I can get away with diverting from the original question!)

Thanks!! Yeah I didn't know until one of my regulars sent me a message to let me know he noticed it. :-) Naturally my RM traffic blew up for a day. haha! Sucks that we can't post our DAddys review links on RM anymore though. :-(

Thanks Kevin. Yeah someone else just messaged me and told me that. I will give that a whirl. :-)

I made a same day appointment with a good looking escort. His location showed as very close to me. We exchanged texts and i told him about me, what i was looking for, sent him a photo.

 

He texted me his address gate code, apt number. I show up on time, and go to his apt door and no answer. Doesn’t respond to text or call.

 

Can any other escort tell me what is up with this? What sort of scam could possibly happening?

It happens on both sides!! As escorts we learn the signs of someone that is just playing games. As a client you should not have to learn detective skills to figure out who is legit and who is not though! Sorry that happened to you! Like others said though he could have been playing games. Could be a newbie that got cold feet for whatever reason. I'd just move on though.

Not sure what that would accomplish either way. Especially if the person happens to be in a heavily booked hotel. In addition, that could create unwarranted “disturbances” if the person in the ‘other’ room decides to call the front desk about a “strange man” knocking on their door. Then, to turn around and go into another room looks suspicious as fuck. Now imagine if 2 or 3 client came thru?

 

Regardless, people are just playing too many games on both sides nowadays. I spend more time answering texts, but not enough time making money.

 

All this has me wondering if it’s even worth it anymore. I ain’t got time for all this shit. America is just one big playground. I can understand stuff coming up, and it not working for true logistical reasons but based on the replies here and things I see on my own phone, there’s just no accountability or reliability. Especially all the having the person show up and not answer.

 

And what people (escorts and clients) don’t get, those kind of games are killing us more than the FOSTA bill is.

Agreed!! I do sometimes feel like I'm working 24/7 even when I'm not booked cause of constantly having to screen clients to see who is real and who is not.

This is a really good question! I run into this time to time. I think each situation depends on the escort and what they are comfortable with. Boundaries. For me I consider my best clients friends as well. That being said I don't let it turn into a fwb situation. Like if I worked for an employer at a restaurant and I became friends with the boss...does that mean he doesn't have to pay me anymore? If I become friends with my trainer or hair stylist do I quit paying him? No. I feel a client can hire me for my time and still be a friend. Clients I see regularly I see them cause I enjoy the time we spend together. If I don't like him I won't re-book with them. I always express this to my regulars when they bring up friendship. I do give perks like spending some extra time with a client for dinner without charging extra if he is a consistent regular. Especially if they have already booked 2 or 3 hours. I really appreciate my clients that book me for multiple hours and like to show my appreciation. But if a client were to book me for an hour and then ask for extra time off the clock I would have to decline as I would feel like I was being taken advantage of. A client that doesn't ask for time off the clock...is likely the one that I'm going to provide those perks for as I feel he respects my time.

As for texting I am cool with that between sessions with my regulars. I actually enjoy hearing from you. Plus it's a nice reminder that you're interested in me and that I can look forward to a future session. Emails are even better. One of my favorite clients messages me time to time on RM. https://rentmen.eu/AJDoyle

You can always ask. Me personally I like to protect my privacy though. So anything with my face in the pic I might be likely to decline. I have had a client ask me to make a video with him though which was alot of Fun! We kept the faces out of course. It really depends on the escort though as everyone has different boundaries...so just ask.

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This is message I get when I try to create my forum signature with my RM linke. I get same message when I type AJ Doyle as my signature. The error: "Your content can not be submitted. This is likely because your content is spam-like or contains inappropriate elements. Please change your content or try again later. If you still have problems, please contact an administrator."

Hi there! I'm trying to create a Forum Signature with my RM link, but each time I click save it tells me that It appears as spam-like and can't be saved. Requests I contact the administrator, which I dont know how to do... I noticed other escorts have their link on their signature. Hoping someone sees this and can tell me how to do this?

I even tried typing AJ Doyle as my signature and it said that was spam-like lol

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I prefer to plan things out as well. Even a few hours heads up helps out alot. I want to look my best and that's not going to happen if someone contacts me at 10pm and asks for me at 1030pm. Not to mention I'm in California where traffic is always a Hot Mess! When I get those "Right Now" requests....I take a moment...look at the time and carefully evaluate how long it will take me to comfortably get ready and arrive. I communicate that. If they say that is not soon enough...I appologize and wish them luck...and turn my Hulu back on and continue with my evening. It is interesting that there is a different mentality between A4A and RM though as far as preference for "Right Now" or "Planning ahead". I don't advertise on A4A right now, so I don't know of that experience. Hearing about the preference of others on RM I feel that my ad is on the right site. lol

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