Aaron_Bauder

Question for other escorts/masseurs -- thoughts on late night and super late night appointments? Love them and want more? Hate them and refuse them? Hate them but view them as a necessary evil?
 
I'm considering limiting late night incalls and banning late night outcalls altogether. But the entrepreneur in me hesitates, wondering if I'm losing focus businesswise. I feel guilty giving up that money.
 
I am a natural night owl, so when I first started I always made myself available late night. Pretty lucrative, if exhausting and unhealthy. Lately, I've been making less money, so sat down to debrief my business practices. I realized: amongst other gaps in service, I've been taking fewer and fewer late night appointments over the past year.
 
In the past year, I really buckled down on tracking nutrition, steps/activity, and workouts. I now workout first thing upon waking up, translating to more daytime activity and productivity in general, and sometimes two-a-day workouts. I had a good body before; now I get nonstop compliments. I've also become more confident and popular socially -- more hookups, more getting hit on and picked up, more social invites, and growing circle of friends etc. Predictable outcome in hindsight, though I didn't anticipate it. Kinda sad, in a way, thinking how body type influences ability to make even platonic friends, but it is what it is.
 
So I've gradually become less available for post-11pm appointments. One, because increased daily activity has translated to earlier sleepiness and bedtimes. Two, because I'm more likely to have a full social calendar on weekend nights and Sunday Funday.
 
It used to amuse me how my phone would be silent all day on a Saturday to all of a sudden receive a flurry of post-midnight messages, now it's frustrating. Either because I'm sleeping and missed the texts/calls, or because I have to decide whether to ditch an outing with friends -- or a date -- to get myself in provider mode.
 
My quality of life is much better now having a social life and sleeping when the body was meant to sleep EXCEPT for increased financial struggles. I don't miss the anxiety that doing an outcall to a stranger's apartment at 3am provoked. But I have some clients and potential clients who are now frustrated.
 
Is this a dilemma for anyone else? Are late night appointments the general rhythm of this business for everybody? Would you or do you choose to sacrifice your social life (and sleep) to focus on the monetary gain? Or would you sacrifice the money for quality of life? I guess it ultimately depends on what's important to each of us, and I'm clearly picking quality of life side: I'm now looking for flexible day gigs for extra income as opposed to going to back to graveyard shift sex work.

Question for other escorts/masseurs -- thoughts on late night and super late night appointments? Love them and want more? Hate them and refuse them? Hate them but view them as a necessary evil?
 
I'm considering limiting late night incalls and banning late night outcalls altogether. But the entrepreneur in me hesitates, wondering if I'm losing focus businesswise. I feel guilty giving up that money.
 
I am a natural night owl, so when I first started I always made myself available late night. Pretty lucrative, if exhausting and unhealthy. Lately, I've been making less money, so sat down to debrief my business practices. I realized: amongst other gaps in service, I've been taking fewer and fewer late night appointments over the past year.
 
In the past year, I really buckled down on tracking nutrition, steps/activity, and workouts. I now workout first thing upon waking up, translating to more daytime activity and productivity in general, and sometimes two-a-day workouts. I had a good body before; now I get nonstop compliments. I've also become more confident and popular socially -- more hookups, more getting hit on and picked up, more social invites, and growing circle of friends etc. Predictable outcome in hindsight, though I didn't anticipate it. Kinda sad, in a way, thinking how body type influences ability to make even platonic friends, but it is what it is.
 
So I've gradually become less available for post-11pm appointments. One, because increased daily activity has translated to earlier sleepiness and bedtimes. Two, because I'm more likely to have a full social calendar on weekend nights and Sunday Funday.
 
It used to amuse me how my phone would be silent all day on a Saturday to all of a sudden receive a flurry of post-midnight messages, now it's frustrating. Either because I'm sleeping and missed the texts/calls, or because I have to decide whether to ditch an outing with friends -- or a date -- to get myself in provider mode.
 
My quality of life is much better now having a social life and sleeping when the body was meant to sleep EXCEPT for increased financial struggles. I don't miss the anxiety that doing an outcall to a stranger's apartment at 3am provoked. But I have some clients and potential clients who are now frustrated.
 
Is this a dilemma for anyone else? Are late night appointments the general rhythm of this business for everybody? Would you or do you choose to sacrifice your social life (and sleep) to focus on the monetary gain? Or would you sacrifice the money for quality of life? I guess it ultimately depends on what's important to each of us, and I'm clearly picking quality of life side: I'm now looking for flexible day gigs for extra income as opposed to going to back to graveyard shift sex work.

Sunday Funday is still big at the gay bars in Los Angeles too. The narrative is gay bars are dying, but L.A. still has a thriving bar scene. Three new ones -- Rocco's, Beaches, and Hi Tops -- recently opened in West Hollywood and are busy. On Fri-Sat nights, WeHo tends to be overrun by straights, very young 21-25 year old gaybys, and tourists. Sunday post-brunch is when most gay locals hit the bars. If you're visiting for the weekend and leave Sunday morning or afternoon, you'll miss the fun.
 
Also, gays in bigger cities have relocated to speciality parties on a lot of weekends, either the festivals/circuits/prides that now run year round worldwide, or local alternative parties/events, which arose to provide exclusively-gay spaces now that our bars have gone mainstream. For example, in WeHo on Thursdays and Fridays, the main bars most guys go are in less trafficked areas of WeHo a visitor wouldn't frequent, away from the mainstream gay bars.
 
And on 2-3 Saturdays a month, there are gay parties at queer underground parties at theaters and warehouses in other parts of town -- Silver Lake, Downtown, near LAX etc. This is true in a lot of bigger cities, and some smaller ones (e.g. Salt Lake City has a lively once-a-month gay warehouse party/rave). Wherever you are, if looking to meet guys in person, check the local gay events calendar not just the gay bars.
 
Gays visiting L.A. often head straight to The Abbey and its sisters and end up disappointed finding only newbie twinks or straight girls and their boyfriends. I've had visiting friends express disappointment in the main Santa Monica Blvd bars, and I tell them, "Mickys was a straight bar this Friday because all the gays were [in Chicago for yyy circuit party/out in the desert for zzz festival/were at aaa gay event on La Cienega/were at 456 underground party Downtown]. You should have asked around. Or hung around till Sunday late afternoon."

Sunday Funday is still big at the gay bars in Los Angeles too. The narrative is gay bars are dying, but L.A. still has a thriving bar scene. Three new ones -- Rocco's, Beaches, and Hi Tops -- recently opened in West Hollywood and are busy. On Fri-Sat nights, WeHo tends to be overrun by straights, very young 21-25 year old gaybys, and tourists. Sunday post-brunch is when most gay locals hit the bars. If you're visiting for the weekend and leave Sunday morning or afternoon, you'll miss the fun.
 
Also, gays in bigger cities have relocated to speciality parties on a lot of weekends, either the festivals/circuits/prides that now run year round worldwide, or local alternative parties/events, which arose to provide exclusively-gay spaces now that our bars have gone mainstream. For example, in WeHo on Thursdays and Fridays, the main bars most guys go are in less trafficked areas of WeHo a visitor wouldn't frequent, away from the mainstream gay bars.
 
And on 2-3 Saturdays a month, there are gay parties at queer underground parties at theaters and warehouses in other parts of town -- Silver Lake, Downtown, near LAX etc. This is true in a lot of bigger cities, and some smaller ones (e.g. Salt Lake City has a lively once-a-month gay warehouse party/rave). Wherever you are, if looking to meet guys in person, check the local gay events calendar not just the gay bars.
 
Gays visiting L.A. often head straight to The Abbey and its sisters and end up disappointed finding only newbie twinks or straight girls and their boyfriends. I've had visiting friends express disappointment in the main Santa Monica Blvd bars, and I tell them, "Mickys was a straight bar this Friday because all the gays were [in Chicago for yyy circuit party/out in the desert for zzz festival/were at aaa gay event on La Cienega/were at 456 underground party Downtown]. You should have asked around. Or hung around till Sunday late afternoon."

Sunday Funday is still big at the gay bars in Los Angeles too. The narrative is gay bars are dying, but L.A. still has a thriving bar scene. Three new ones -- Rocco's, Beaches, and Hi Tops -- recently opened in West Hollywood and are busy. On Fri-Sat nights, WeHo tends to be overrun by straights, very young 21-25 year old gaybys, and tourists. Sunday post-brunch is when most gay locals hit the bars. If you're visiting for the weekend and leave Sunday morning or afternoon, you'll miss the fun.
 
Also, gays in bigger cities have relocated to speciality parties on a lot of weekends, either the festivals/circuits/prides that now run year round worldwide, or local alternative parties/events, which arose to provide exclusively-gay spaces now that our bars have gone mainstream. For example, in WeHo on Thursdays and Fridays, the main bars most guys go are in less trafficked areas of WeHo a visitor wouldn't frequent, away from the mainstream gay bars.
 
And on 2-3 Saturdays a month, there are gay parties at queer underground parties at theaters and warehouses in other parts of town -- Silver Lake, Downtown, near LAX etc. This is true in a lot of bigger cities, and some smaller ones (e.g. Salt Lake City has a lively once-a-month gay warehouse party/rave). Wherever you are, if looking to meet guys in person, check the local gay events calendar not just the gay bars.
 
Gays visiting L.A. often head straight to The Abbey and its sisters and end up disappointed finding only newbie twinks or straight girls and their boyfriends. I've had visiting friends express disappointment in the main Santa Monica Blvd bars, and I tell them, "Mickys was a straight bar this Friday because all the gays were [in Chicago for yyy circuit party/out in the desert for zzz festival/were at aaa gay event on La Cienega/were at 456 underground party Downtown]. You should have asked around. Or hung around till Sunday late afternoon."

I feel it’s best to be alerted way in advance to allow for the necessary preps - sleep, rest, shower, douche, toothbrush, check routes, obtain client background and preferences, etc

I have encountered some who have been tipsy - feeling horny and wanting a rub down... actually they were craving for penetration ... which left me undecided - to go or not to go - that is the question. ???

I usually stop after 11:00.. I don't take anyone after that. Ive made a couple of exceptions that is for my a couple of clients who made it worthwhile. Otherwise, there are more weirdos after 11:00 and in the wee hours and you leave yourself more vulnerable to those who are askew if you work those hours

If the escort is in the mood why not? A few extra calls a month make could big difference in his income.
 
Watch out for PNP but younger in shape clients who couldn't get laid during the day could show up at the door.

An escort i see fairly routinely tells me that his busiest hours are after 10 pm... usually he does 2 or sometimes 3 calls between then and 4 am- all spontaneous, unplanned bookings. I couldn’t imagine doing that but then again, i’m not that young and need my beauty sleep. I usually book him for the ungodly hour of 7 or 8 pm dinner followed by some play.

Problem, as always, is the clients who need these lectures aren't on these forums. Clients here mostly have it together.
 
Mostly. There is a bit of crass commodification that too frequently crosses over into dehumanization of providers. Their service is the commodity, but the provider is still a human being and deserving of consideration, care, and respect. Unfortunately, that is often overlooked.

Problem, as always, is the clients who need these lectures aren't on these forums. Clients here mostly have it together.
 
Mostly. There is a bit of crass commodification that too frequently crosses over into dehumanization of providers. Their service is the commodity, but the provider is still a human being and deserving of consideration, care, and respect. Unfortunately, that is often overlooked.

Problem, as always, is the clients who need these lectures aren't on these forums. Clients here mostly have it together.
 
Mostly. There is a bit of crass commodification that too frequently crosses over into dehumanization of providers. Their service is the commodity, but the provider is still a human being and deserving of consideration, care, and respect. Unfortunately, that is often overlooked.

Problem, as always, is the clients who need these lectures aren't on these forums. Clients here mostly have it together.
 
Mostly. There is a bit of crass commodification that too frequently crosses over into dehumanization of providers. Their service is the commodity, but the provider is still a human being and deserving of consideration, care, and respect. Unfortunately, that is often overlooked.

Problem, as always, is the clients who need these lectures aren't on these forums. Clients here mostly have it together.
 
Mostly. There is a bit of crass commodification that too frequently crosses over into dehumanization of providers. Their service is the commodity, but the provider is still a human being and deserving of consideration, care, and respect. Unfortunately, that is often overlooked.

Problem, as always, is the clients who need these lectures aren't on these forums. Clients here mostly have it together.
 
Mostly. There is a bit of crass commodification that too frequently crosses over into dehumanization of providers. Their service is the commodity, but the provider is still a human being and deserving of consideration, care, and respect. Unfortunately, that is often overlooked.

Problem, as always, is the clients who need these lectures aren't on these forums. Clients here mostly have it together.
 
Mostly. There is a bit of crass commodification that too frequently crosses over into dehumanization of providers. Their service is the commodity, but the provider is still a human being and deserving of consideration, care, and respect. Unfortunately, that is often overlooked.

Problem, as always, is the clients who need these lectures aren't on these forums. Clients here mostly have it together.
 
Mostly. There is a bit of crass commodification that too frequently crosses over into dehumanization of providers. Their service is the commodity, but the provider is still a human being and deserving of consideration, care, and respect. Unfortunately, that is often overlooked.

Problem, as always, is the clients who need these lectures aren't on these forums. Clients here mostly have it together.
 
Mostly. There is a bit of crass commodification that too frequently crosses over into dehumanization of providers. Their service is the commodity, but the provider is still a human being and deserving of consideration, care, and respect. Unfortunately, that is often overlooked.

Problem, as always, is the clients who need these lectures aren't on these forums. Clients here mostly have it together.
 
Mostly. There is a bit of crass commodification that too frequently crosses over into dehumanization of providers. Their service is the commodity, but the provider is still a human being and deserving of consideration, care, and respect. Unfortunately, that is often overlooked.

Problem, as always, is the clients who need these lectures aren't on these forums. Clients here mostly have it together.
 
Mostly. There is a bit of crass commodification that too frequently crosses over into dehumanization of providers. Their service is the commodity, but the provider is still a human being and deserving of consideration, care, and respect. Unfortunately, that is often overlooked.

Problem, as always, is the clients who need these lectures aren't on these forums. Clients here mostly have it together.
 
Mostly. There is a bit of crass commodification that too frequently crosses over into dehumanization of providers. Their service is the commodity, but the provider is still a human being and deserving of consideration, care, and respect. Unfortunately, that is often overlooked.

Everyone knows the likely cause of Jules's tragic passing from this earthly realm (Godspeed to this wonderful young man in the next), that goes without saying. We know the probabilities; we aren't stupid. That still doesn't make crass speculation and disinformation before his body is even cold any less vulgar and inappropriate, when sincere condolences and expression of shock/remorse are all that's needed until details flow in to confirm suspicions.
 
But this is Trump's America for the time being. Crass, tacky vulgarity, and total lack of respect, decency, and manners (under the lame and lazy cover of political incorrectness) is the going thing at the moment.

I've inquired with other escorts about off-clock play, and gotten a yes because they found me mutually attractive
Hired other escorts (not often, a few times when traveling)
I've asked escorts for off-clock play, and been turned down (no more upsetting than being turned down anywhere else)
Played off-clock with other escorts I first connected with via a client who put together a group session (so, so hot)
Turned down escorts I've met in a client-organized group, who were convinced by my in-session acting/performance that I was super duper into them when I wasn't really (awkward)
I've been contacted by other escorts for off-clock play, and turned them down because they're not my type (some get really offended I'm not automatically into them, which is hilarious)
Hooked up with guys, then later found out they escort, then worked together

All sorts of scenarios happen. I would love to date another escort, active or retired, because sex work is a barrier to dating the kind of Ivy League/military "I work a desk job" boy next door type I'm drawn to. But I wouldn't date someone who's not my type just because he escorts too.
 
Very few would turn down a free hookup with a guy they find really hot.

I've inquired with other escorts about off-clock play, and gotten a yes because they found me mutually attractive
Hired other escorts (not often, a few times when traveling)
I've asked escorts for off-clock play, and been turned down (no more upsetting than being turned down anywhere else)
Played off-clock with other escorts I first connected with via a client who put together a group session (so, so hot)
Turned down escorts I've met in a client-organized group, who were convinced by my in-session acting/performance that I was super duper into them when I wasn't really (awkward)
I've been contacted by other escorts for off-clock play, and turned them down because they're not my type (some get really offended I'm not automatically into them, which is hilarious)
Hooked up with guys, then later found out they escort, then worked together

All sorts of scenarios happen. I would love to date another escort, active or retired, because sex work is a barrier to dating the kind of Ivy League/military "I work a desk job" boy next door type I'm drawn to. But I wouldn't date someone who's not my type just because he escorts too.
 
Very few would turn down a free hookup with a guy they find really hot.