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@jeffla You do not disappoint!  In fact I had to slow myself down to fully appreciate all that you were reporting. And I have started to retrieve more of my one-time experience at the Nob!  Your tales surely fill me with nostalgia for yesteryear.

AI overview:
What you're looking at is a classic internet forum derailment: one user points out a highly specific instance of profiling or selective enforcement (targeting a traveler based on clothing choices and presentation), and the replier attempts a "mic drop" by using a generic AI Overview snippet to completely invalidate the claim.
The logic in that reply falls flat for a few reasons:
It’s a False Dichotomy: The argument implies that because female sex workers statistically face massive scrutiny at international borders, a gay traveler cannot be experiencing selective enforcement. In reality, border profiling isn't a zero-sum game; multiple demographics can face distinct, systemic biases at the same time. The "AI Weapon" Fallacy: Using a surface-level AI search summary as a definitive, unassailable legal source to dismiss someone's lived experience or a specific case study is incredibly weak debate etiquette. Ignoring the Trigger: The original poster ("jayjaycali") was highlighting that the enforcement became active the second officers focused on the traveler's presentation. Border agents exercise immense subjective discretion, and behavioral or aesthetic profiling happens constantly, regardless of macro-demographic trends. It’s a frustrating brand of online argument where nuance goes to die.
 

Yes, the law is the law. A confession is a confession.
But we also jaywalk. We go five miles over the speed limit. And who is 100% sure their tax return isn't off by a couple of dollars?
We don't expect to face maximum punishment for those everyday infractions.
What we really have here is selective enforcement aimed at a gay traveler, which was made completely obvious the second they focused on his clothing choices

LOL. I had a feeling someone was going to ask me to expand on the Campus once I mentioned it! I was going to save that for another day, but oh well... since you asked, and I'm still up, I'll tell you about that place.
The Campus was in a seedier area of San Francisco, not nearly as polished or clean like the Nob. (I think it was called the Tenderloin.) But it had a great group of young strippers, all kinds, and lots more excitement to be had.
The Campus had three floors, the top being for strippers only... then the main floor with a theater and stage structurally like the Nob (but again, no velvet curtains or its far more comfy chairs)... as well as a hallway in front and the stripper schedule on a board next to photos of each stripper, plus the ticket booth in the very front... and then a basement that had, among other things, a small maze, an arena where they had other smaller (but more intimate) shows, and a shower room with a wooden door and a latch and a shower that likely didn't work, lol. 
Most of the fun was to be had in the arena and the shower room. The arena was constructed with perhaps 3-4 wooden steps in a semi-circle, where you can sit on the step or climb it to get to the next... and a small open area on the floor in the center and in the front. Strippers would strip in the small area in front, then go guy to guy in the arena, where you'd see many of the patrons giving the strippers blowjobs right there, one after another. Tempting as it may have been, that's a little too risque for me... not to mention, I was still relatively inexperienced back then, my Nob Hill "education" notwithstanding. But it was definitely hot to watch. Sometimes, the stripper would play with your cock too if you had it out in the open, something that, at that point, I was very comfortable in doing.
The shower room was on the other side, with some sofas outside of it. You'd wait your turn, though guys often stood next to the door to the shower room as it didn't close fully, so you could sometimes see what was going on through the slight opening, giving the whole experience some extra voyeuristic heat. As I recall it was $10 then, which you'd give to the stripper when it was your turn in the shower room, and you'd get maybe five minutes for some private interaction. At the very least, he'd jack you, but you could suck him, a few might suck you, and sometimes you could really get into a hot kissing scene too. I remember a couple really cute strippers I enjoyed interacting with, including one Latin kid, my age, who was really attractive and had that smile that always gets me... and was an amazing kisser. An instant crush for me. I saw him a couple times when I visited across some months, and he would recognize me and smile as he took me into his arms and began making out with me like a long-lost lover each time.
What made the Campus even more fun is that they later added what everyone of course hoped for: two-man shows a couple times daily, a five-man show on weekends, and then four times a year, a 20-man show... that weren't so much strip shows as they were all-out sex shows.
So for the two-man shows, which took place in the arena, the two strippers would start by stripping, making out with each other, blowing each other while everyone watched; then they'd go guy to guy and offer their cocks for each guy to play with and/or suck. Patrons would be jacking openly, and everyone would be celebrating male camaraderie at its finest and having a grand old time.
Now that I was several months into my strip club adventures, and a bit more experienced (but still never had a boyfriend and was closeted in my own life at that point), I welcomed the boundaries getting pushed, as new excitement kept everything so thrilling. So when I heard about the 20-man shows, that same nervous sexual adrenaline rush built within me instantly, and I knew I had to go experience that.
Thankfully, I got to the Campus early enough because they sold-out shortly after. It would've been a massive bummer to have flown to SF only to not be able to enter! The place was packed.
I think the show was around 8pm, so as the start time approached, everyone made their way to the main theater. It was always a bit awkward grabbing a seat between two guys you don't know—especially as they’re likely going to be jacking off next to you as you may be doing too—but most guys were pretty respectful, keeping their hands to themselves unless otherwise invited. I don’t remember the guy to my left, but I do remember the guy to my right who was relatively cute, Latin or maybe Middle Eastern, probably a bit younger than me. He sorta reminded me of myself when I first began as he seemed excited but tentative, keeping his pants zipped at this point in time.... as did I when the show began. That said, it didn't take long for me to see my neighbor rubbing himself through his pants, and I wondered if he'd be able to resist pulling his dick out like the rest of us. Time would tell. 
So, the way the 20-man show worked is that the announcer would introduce 5 strippers at a time. They'd come out on stage, strip, start jacking, and then kiss and/or go down on each other on the stage.
Cocks everywhere in the audience would be getting pulled out as you could feel the sexual heat in the room rising as if the physical temperature were literally getting hotter. Like I said, by this point in my journey, I had no hesitation pulling my dick out too, but I was conscious of the kid next to me who didn't yet pull his out... so I didn't whip mine out yet either, hard as we both obviously were.
After a handful of minutes, the five strippers on stage would start making their way into the audience, many of whom would openly suck the strippers' cocks, while strippers made out with each other, or played with the audience's cocks as well or sucked each's cocks in rows with the audience or in the aisles. And then the next group of five would be introduced and come out, and proceed to strip and have sex with each other on stage. Then, they'd join the other five in the audience as the next five came out, and this would continue until all twenty horny, naked, erect strippers were everywhere amongst the audience, most of whom were openly jacking. It was as crazy as it was so hot to be a part of.
What was fantastic is that unlike my early days at the Nob (as described above), when I'd wait for one stripper to make his way through dozens of guys to get to me, at the 20-man show I literally had a stripper in front of me or within an arm’s reach more often than not for most of the show.
Still, it wasn't until a group of five strippers came out with my Latin crush in it that my heart started pounding even faster. I was curious how eagerly he'd have sex with the other strippers, as I never saw him interact with others. On stage, he got blown by one of them, but seemed to be going through the motions (or so I imagined, as I really wanted to believe that I was the one he truly wanted lol....).
Meanwhile, other strippers would give me and my buddy to my right lap dances, and we’d be stroking cock after cock after cock.... while everyone was just having the hottest time with the music pulsating. And the strippers clearly loved the attention... and the sex. But all this was a blur, for my eyes were really focused on two people: My neighbor to my right and my Latin crush.
I kept checking out my young neighbor who was really excited and loving feeling all the guys and stroking them, and he kept checking me out too. It’s like we were thinking the same thing, wondering who would be first.
Finally, as we looked at each other, I decided to be more of a mentor (lol--I still was in the closet!), and took the first step of pulling my dick out, loving that he was watching me as I did... at which point, he immediately unzipped and pulled his cock out too as he watched me watch him. I loved how aware we were of each other's cock-visibility status, lol, and how we were clearly having fun together.
Plus, that made the strippers even more interactive with us, as they'd play with both our dicks. And we also got a lot more love from the strippers likely due to our age. I remember one stripper asking us if we were boyfriends, lol. Even though we said no, he urged us to play with each other, so we stroked each other, which seemed to please the stripper as he told us it was hot and invited us to stroke him too, which we did together.
Finally, my stripper crush, the Latin kid I love kissing, made his way to me and flashed that engaging smile of his I loved, and sat on my lap and immediately started making out with me passionately. I remember my new friend next to me watching us (I imagined with envy), which I really loved, and at one point my friend reached over and jacked my crush as well. I was okay sharing my crush with my new friend lol, but I wouldn’t have liked it if someone else did that uninvited! Still, my crush kept his tongue firmly in my mouth, and I hadn't seen him kissing anyone else... so I felt special, in my own imagination at least!
Meanwhile, another stripper joined the three of us and stood before my new friend, and egged my crush to give his cock some attention. So my crush turned and proceeded to suck the stripper right in front of our faces while still seated on my lap. I have to confess, I felt a pang of jealousy watching my future husband sucking this stripper's cock. At a certain point, my crush motioned for me to join him and taste his friend's cock with him, which was thoughtful, but while I made an exception for mouth-to-mouth action with my crush and sorta loved the idea of both our mouths on a cock together, I couldn't help but think of all the other patrons' mouths that were likely wrapped around that stripper's cock in the minutes before….
So instead, I said I thought my friend to my right was feeling left out, at which point this once seemingly shy tentative kid next to me eagerly took that stripper's entire cock in his mouth, giving him an impressively deep and passionate blowjob, while my crush proceeded to kiss me more and rub his hard dick against mine.
Alas, all good things come to an end, and my crush had to move on to the others but whispered to me to find him afterwards, parting with the sweetest smile. 
This was one of the hottest events I had ever attended at these clubs. Everyone was having a great time. Cum started flying all about as some of the strippers exploded in aisles and guys in the audience had orgasms, shooting loads onto back of seats or wherever. And my new friend couldn't hold back any more and finally came in his seat. He quickly zipped up and left (it was a short friendship lol), and not long afterwards, the show came to an end, at which point some of the strippers went downstairs to continue working for tips.
I hadn't yet cum and went to find my crush, who was downstairs already and immediately upon seeing me pulled me to the side of the arena and started kissing me in front of everyone. He then unzipped me and pulled my pants down and started sucking me as patrons and other strippers jacked off watching us if not cheering us on. I remember he'd stand up again to make out with me some more, then go back to sucking my cock. We both finally came together, at which point I think we even got some applause lol. That was the last time I saw my crush. He was a hot time all on his own, but with the 20-man show this was definitely one of the hottest times I'll ever have.
Man, I wish I could relive these experiences somewhere, some day again!
 
I did see clips of patrons getting it on with strippers at a strip club in Mexico called Cabinas Funny. It reminds me a lot of the Campus, though it's even smaller. Still, it's hot; the patrons aren't bad-looking either. But much as I would love to relive this experience one more time by going there, the fact they're on the Internet without their faces blurred in most videos confirms, unfortunately, that just isn't going to happen. But the clips sure make a visit tempting.
So, hot massage parlors are probably my limitation for now, for illicit as the fun can be, at least we can be more discreet there.
 
Hey, @Claym, I hope I didn't let you down with the read.

AI overview:
What you're looking at is a classic internet forum derailment: one user points out a highly specific instance of profiling or selective enforcement (targeting a traveler based on clothing choices and presentation), and the replier attempts a "mic drop" by using a generic AI Overview snippet to completely invalidate the claim.
The logic in that reply falls flat for a few reasons:
It’s a False Dichotomy: The argument implies that because female sex workers statistically face massive scrutiny at international borders, a gay traveler cannot be experiencing selective enforcement. In reality, border profiling isn't a zero-sum game; multiple demographics can face distinct, systemic biases at the same time. The "AI Weapon" Fallacy: Using a surface-level AI search summary as a definitive, unassailable legal source to dismiss someone's lived experience or a specific case study is incredibly weak debate etiquette. Ignoring the Trigger: The original poster ("jayjaycali") was highlighting that the enforcement became active the second officers focused on the traveler's presentation. Border agents exercise immense subjective discretion, and behavioral or aesthetic profiling happens constantly, regardless of macro-demographic trends. It’s a frustrating brand of online argument where nuance goes to die.
 

I would generally think if one is connected or has more understanding of the significance of these it's a more impressive experience.  A painter or art historian might get more out of a visit to the Mona Lisa than most for example. 

AI overview:
What you're looking at is a classic internet forum derailment: one user points out a highly specific instance of profiling or selective enforcement (targeting a traveler based on clothing choices and presentation), and the replier attempts a "mic drop" by using a generic AI Overview snippet to completely invalidate the claim.
The logic in that reply falls flat for a few reasons:
It’s a False Dichotomy: The argument implies that because female sex workers statistically face massive scrutiny at international borders, a gay traveler cannot be experiencing selective enforcement. In reality, border profiling isn't a zero-sum game; multiple demographics can face distinct, systemic biases at the same time. The "AI Weapon" Fallacy: Using a surface-level AI search summary as a definitive, unassailable legal source to dismiss someone's lived experience or a specific case study is incredibly weak debate etiquette. Ignoring the Trigger: The original poster ("jayjaycali") was highlighting that the enforcement became active the second officers focused on the traveler's presentation. Border agents exercise immense subjective discretion, and behavioral or aesthetic profiling happens constantly, regardless of macro-demographic trends. It’s a frustrating brand of online argument where nuance goes to die.
 

AI overview:
What you're looking at is a classic internet forum derailment: one user points out a highly specific instance of profiling or selective enforcement (targeting a traveler based on clothing choices and presentation), and the replier attempts a "mic drop" by using a generic AI Overview snippet to completely invalidate the claim.
The logic in that reply falls flat for a few reasons:
It’s a False Dichotomy: The argument implies that because female sex workers statistically face massive scrutiny at international borders, a gay traveler cannot be experiencing selective enforcement. In reality, border profiling isn't a zero-sum game; multiple demographics can face distinct, systemic biases at the same time. The "AI Weapon" Fallacy: Using a surface-level AI search summary as a definitive, unassailable legal source to dismiss someone's lived experience or a specific case study is incredibly weak debate etiquette. Ignoring the Trigger: The original poster ("jayjaycali") was highlighting that the enforcement became active the second officers focused on the traveler's presentation. Border agents exercise immense subjective discretion, and behavioral or aesthetic profiling happens constantly, regardless of macro-demographic trends. It’s a frustrating brand of online argument where nuance goes to die.
 

Not much more to the story.  We were young and everything happens a lot faster back then 😉.  I do remember after fooling around we went back into the club so he could get his bag.  Lights were full on and he was still beautiful.  We exchanged numbers, but never saw each other again. But I'll never forget it.  
There were other nights I went to this club when they had dancers.  I remember the lady who checked id's just knew I was underaged and would always say "be careful in there.  Don't let anyone buy you a drink".  Good advice.  Most guys in there were in their 30's and I was fresh meet.
There was one dancer who would come and he was super straight.  But I managed to talk him up and he invited me to an after bars party.  He was there to pick up girls, but he needed to bring beer to the party.  He was 19 or 20.  Well, I told him I'd buy a 6pack for him if he let me blow him. He agreed, but he said he didn't want to cum since he wanted to score that night with the ladies.  So outside of this house, we went against the back wall and I went at it. He kept saying, "ok, ok, that's enough, you are going to make me ... aw, fuck it" and shot his load.  Totally worth a six pack of bud light. 
 

Yes, the law is the law. A confession is a confession.
But we also jaywalk. We go five miles over the speed limit. And who is 100% sure their tax return isn't off by a couple of dollars?
We don't expect to face maximum punishment for those everyday infractions.
What we really have here is selective enforcement aimed at a gay traveler, which was made completely obvious the second they focused on his clothing choices

Bullet point two in the reply I think was worth the irony.
You're argument indeed makes a large assumption on how I used the prompt.  Then it use 'likely' as a word to pretend to claim some reasonable threshold or statistics to back it up to make it sound grounded 
The argument makes a blanket claim: discussion with AI cannot catch logical fallacies or refine arguments or grammar and paint is as 'outsourcing thinking' instead in a blanket fashion before that's even established
The argument sneaks in 'inconvenient truth' as though the argument was true.   To make the argument a 'valid point' it's better to refute the rebuttal and continue, claiming its a 'valid point' doesn't suddenly make it so.
Sorry but I'll try and read replies to hear you out but I will have to try and decline responding as much as I might want to since for me it's likely more aggravation than I should let it give me. Tc. 
 
 
 
 
 
 

AI overview:
What you're looking at is a classic internet forum derailment: one user points out a highly specific instance of profiling or selective enforcement (targeting a traveler based on clothing choices and presentation), and the replier attempts a "mic drop" by using a generic AI Overview snippet to completely invalidate the claim.
The logic in that reply falls flat for a few reasons:
It’s a False Dichotomy: The argument implies that because female sex workers statistically face massive scrutiny at international borders, a gay traveler cannot be experiencing selective enforcement. In reality, border profiling isn't a zero-sum game; multiple demographics can face distinct, systemic biases at the same time. The "AI Weapon" Fallacy: Using a surface-level AI search summary as a definitive, unassailable legal source to dismiss someone's lived experience or a specific case study is incredibly weak debate etiquette. Ignoring the Trigger: The original poster ("jayjaycali") was highlighting that the enforcement became active the second officers focused on the traveler's presentation. Border agents exercise immense subjective discretion, and behavioral or aesthetic profiling happens constantly, regardless of macro-demographic trends. It’s a frustrating brand of online argument where nuance goes to die.
 

Sadly, history is repeating itself.  The anti-bias toward anything not white and "normal" is under assault.  Those living on the coasts are more insulated from it but it's still prevalent when the tone is set at the top levels of government.  The torchbearers happy embrace the chest and brow beating wherever they may be.  Once gay marriage became legal, I thought the country could never go back to those prior days.  But here we are.  Trans phobia is being used as a bludgeon to attack everyone's rights.  I hope history will look back on this period as a blimp and revert back where middle America just shrugs on socially divisive issues.  Live and let live.  
Until then, you do have to be careful what is on your phone when you travel.  

Just going to roll this little grenade.  
 
Some of the holier than thou - lack of empathy - the law is the law types - if you are on the other side of the transaction, you can just as easily fall into this detention trap as well.  Just because we have reached a certain age with some greying hair won’t matter a bit if some drunk on power border official in the US decides it’s time to ruin / embarrass a gay man’s life. Some AI system has finally linked your signal/telegram chat to your cell phone or home wifi IP address, flagging your identity as engaged with SW’rs too.  
 
At this point in my life, I know I stand with SW’ers because I’m part of their community. A good number of my fellow men of a certain age have come into this life late in life, and don’t have the experiences of being called a f@ggot while leaving a gay bar in their teens or 20s. Once you realize you’re part of the same marginalized community, you’ll be better prepared to deal with indignities that will be coming our way should these abuses of power continue.  
 
Your age, net worth, social status, what you think are your rights in the comfort of your own home won’t matter when you face a windowless room and no access to your smart phone or legal counsel.  Add to this if you are detained on unrelated business travel or with family, you just want to continue on with your trip, convincing yourself you can explain away there was a case of mistaken identity etc.  
 
Y’all better start extending some grace and flexing our collective privilege to refocus efforts on actual non-consensual / violent crime rather than some pissant fishing expeditions for some power tripping officers punching downwards.  Today, it’s some twink, fem boy, circuit queen.  Tomorrow it can just as easily be embarrassing / inconveniencing the <insert your insecurity about your age / hiring status / weight etc here> because some border agent/ police officer felt like it. 

You sound like someone who works for Fox Business, selectively pulling statistics that do not reflect the lived experience of people. When prices first go up, many people will try to suck it up and cut their expenses. If it continues, they may seek additional work or ask for a raise, dip into savings. Some professions - largely white collar and manufacturing eventually got raises that have evened it out, but the lower part of the income strata has not. 
This article explains what you would know if you just spoke to like five people in the real world. https://www.cnbc.com/2025/12/18/cumulative-inflation-since-2020.html

Discussing Roth IRA investment options with young men just starting out as strippers

It's exciting when the dancer comes out with a hard dick in his underwear and it's visible sideways, then you tip them and they open the top of the underwear and let you wrap your fingers around the manhood.
 

Talking with dancers over a drink and then getting a private lap dance! 🤩

I think escorts are an easy target because they elicit little sympathy from the public when they're caught.
I think milo is a fairly harmless, naive person, excited about an awards show who was then subject to institutionalized and professional interrogation techniques by people who know the book in and out.
I think a kinder system would have told him he needs to seek a business meetings visa for the show or similar,   and issue a stern warning about doing any work, such as content creation without authorization, before re-trying an entry. I think treating him with this type of scrutiny with the purpose to elicit a confession to obtain a 10 year ban is cruel. 
I think it wasn't that long ago that the idea of a government agent scrolling through your private DMs, photos, and bank statements without a warrant was treated as a dystopian nightmare.
 

It's fascinating how the media landscape is framed so that any source offering outside perspective is quickly labelled 'biased'. When we're trained to automatically discard every global data post that doesn't align with a home-grown perspective it's worth asking who benefits from keeping us so isolated.  

Thanks for pointing that out—implying that officers have to 'manufacture' or create evidence would be a reach, which is precisely why I didn’t say it. I appreciate our pre-emptively diverting the discussion away from what could have been a sideways attack on my credibility.
Perhaps a facial recognition 'ping' was enough. If so, it certainly proves that Restrained Discretion is not a straitjacket. The government can secure the border and act on leads without needing 'Broad Discretion' to dig through everyone else's private life on a whim.
Secondly, under a 'Broad Discretion' system without a legal bar, getting through the border is more like a lottery. You're simply hoping you don't get picked because you 'look like' someone who might have a reason to be searched.
This might surprise, but I actually want a strong system of law and order: an agreed-upon framework where the rules are known. I want to cross the border under well-established laws, not just cross my fingers and hope I don't trigger a personal hunch or a 'ping' from surveillance I'm not allowed to see.
Thanks for all the disucssions it's been a very interesting thread and helped me clarify my thoughts. I think I need to bow out here, though—it’s taking me an hour to write these up! (If I can, I'm finding the discussion fascinating).

updated to drop Adonis LA .....Prince's Playhouse continues, but IG is not working as of now.....see the separate thread for it...... 
 
https://clubxroom.com/ Springfield, MA
https://www.yelp.com/biz/real-luck-cafe-pittsburgh Pittsburgh, PA
https://www.silveradopdx.com/ Portland, OR
https://www.stagportland.com/ Portland, OR
https://www.fuzzynavels.com/   Portland, OR - update: closed, but check for a reopening
 
and on varying days (join email list or 'follow'):
[email protected]    New York, NY, and Philadelphia, PA    (updated)
https://adonislounge.com/nyc/contact/    New York, NY  (use single email line at upper right to subscribe)
https://x.com/unleaxxxhed  Philadelphia, PA, and Cherry Hill, NJ
Prince's Playhouse  New York, NY
 
the conventions are full male nudity in the main "public" area of a US "venue" (club, bar, private space) at least once a month....check with the specific spot for days of the week/month and hours.....
 

So 14 days and it's in the NASDAQ 100 .
Index funds are forced to rebalance to include it.  Maybe that spikes the price.  New rules also let VCs exit earlier when it's at those peaks. That might drop the price. 
So, wouldn't it be good to buy in, then sell right before the new early VC exit timeline when VCs sell  (or front run their front running or do some shorting)

My take is that this IPO is partly a strategy to satisfy exit/liquidity needs for investors in X and xAI (including Saudi-run funds), both of which were terrible financial failures. Hard pass for me.

I have had a few different types of experiences and it either goes really well, or really bad. 
Bad first - Two friends (I think they actually met via craiglists or a forum like this) and the decided to go halves and hire a guy to share as they both enjoyed being dom. The problem arose when they realized they both had completely differing ideas of what "being dominant" meant for each of them and had no chemistry together. It ended up being very difficult for me, trying to please them simultaneously. I ended up having to treat them separately. Like - you first, then you second. The result was they both got a half hour session for about half the rate of a full hour (since they effectively split the bill) but they had to tolerate each other during it. It as clear they never knew each other and had only met that day, right then. It was a disaster.
Good next - a group of guys that had played together before were having a party (more like a get together) and had me over to service them. It was a lot more relaxed despite there being many more guys. They were able to mingle and chill with each other when my hands were full. They all knew they were getting a turn, so there was no rush, no jealousy, no competition. The nights always ended up fantastic, and I always stayed way longer than planned or paid. 
The key for these things being successful is having all participants on the same page (prior relationships ideal) - not 'lets save money and all share one guy'.