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I second what seaguy206 wrote (and thank him for the validation on Dathe). I went to see Dathe last week. He looks like his pictures, gave me a very good and deep real massage, with very relaxing time at the end. I would be a regular if I lived in Seattle. Treat him with respect and you will be respected in turn. (Isn't that always true?)

He is a CMT and provides a very good real (and very deep if you want it) therapeutic massage. Can also be sensual. If you appreciate a good deep massage from a trained therapist, you won't go wrong.

See he's coming to Seattle next week. But the "I am into PNP" is a major turn-off.

Don’t overthink that

Sam was a bit of a disappointment for me. He advertises in the "relax" section on masseurfinder so I had certain expectations. His massage skills are very good. He is very handsome, well-groomed and has that gorgeous body. Yes, the pictures are completely accurate. So what's not like? Sam was just a looker for me.
 
While face down, his work was strictly therapeutic. Great! So I flip over onto my back, with certain expectations of next steps. The good therapeutic massage continued without a whole lot of sensuality. Then toward the end he stood at the head end of the table and then stretched over me to massage and leaned in close, so close I could smell (good!) and almost lick that chest (better!). And then he stepped away. That was the sensual part. Over. At that part I was so turned on I asked if him I could finish myself, which I did with him letting me touch his chest.
 
Maybe others have had a more interactive experience. I hope so though I'd be a bit jealous. He looks finger-lickin' good.

My impression is that pickings are slim for masseurs in Boston. For several years, I traveled to Boston almost monthly, always with time to kill in the evenings. I tried several masseurs and found the experience underwhelming. Most of them no longer have ads up on the major sites. For several others that looked interesting, I thought that the rate was too high or I didn't want to deal with Boston traffic to do the in-call in an outer neighborhood or the burbs. For old times' sake, I checked out the major sites and still had the same feeling that there is nobody that I would hire for a massage. But, boy, the escort scene sure has picked up on RM. Maybe that says something about the Boston marketplace.

it is a very unique and healing experience. Def not your average, rub and tug, and like others there was a spiritual high from the encounter which I highly recommend but not for everyone. The more you go the more trusting and intense the healing session can become.

See first post in this thread (from member "Joeylovesmassage") for his use and my co-opting of "organic". And, I dunno, maybe the leather was from organic cows, too.
 
https://m4m-forum.org/threads/tantric-shaman-nyc.121859/

See first post in this thread (from member "Joeylovesmassage") for his use and my co-opting of "organic". And, I dunno, maybe the leather was from organic cows, too.
 
https://m4m-forum.org/threads/tantric-shaman-nyc.121859/

Sorry to read about your experience, Anergy 913. Within the thread to which EVdude linked, I wrote generally about a negative experience. Your experience sounds like a replay of mine, albeit mine was three years ago. How are these guys still pulling in customers?

Yeah, Beethoven nailed it -- Pierre basically wanted to give me a little neck and shoulder rub before moving onto sexy times, which wasn't what I was looking for. (Or feeling from him, but reasonable minds may differ there!) I can attest that his pics were accurate and that he was in great shape. (BTW in the years since this session I've seen him a time or two in gyms around the city, so I think it's a reasonable assumption that he's still keeping things tight.) One comment I will allow is that Pierre's favorite subject seemed to be Pierre...the mediocre massage came with a generous serving of narcissism But if you vibe on him and are looking for an encounter more so than a massage, he could be a solid choice.

I agree with comments of both Oaktown and 510guy. (And thank you very much, Oaktown, for posting about Charles.)
 
I was able to book an in-call with Charles. He made accommodation for my scheduling and location needs, though he said that he does prefer outcalls. In the course of our conversation afterwards, I totally understand why. Charles looks like his pictures (while cliche by now, I think he looks even better in person), is charming, polite and educated. As 510guy wrote, the massage was not deep tissue but neither did I ask for it. I almost drifted off to sleep a couple of times while face down. For me, this was a "wow" massage for one of my categories/moods for massage experience, and was interactive, with limits. I think one's impression is dependent upon what you are looking for a session. I am usually rather vanilla. Except when I'm not.

I agree with comments of both Oaktown and 510guy. (And thank you very much, Oaktown, for posting about Charles.)
 
I was able to book an in-call with Charles. He made accommodation for my scheduling and location needs, though he said that he does prefer outcalls. In the course of our conversation afterwards, I totally understand why. Charles looks like his pictures (while cliche by now, I think he looks even better in person), is charming, polite and educated. As 510guy wrote, the massage was not deep tissue but neither did I ask for it. I almost drifted off to sleep a couple of times while face down. For me, this was a "wow" massage for one of my categories/moods for massage experience, and was interactive, with limits. I think one's impression is dependent upon what you are looking for a session. I am usually rather vanilla. Except when I'm not.

Reporting on my experience in Seoul for this super-popular () discussion, I opted to go to Octagon.
 
http://www.octagonmsg.com/
 
The experience was exceeded my expectations. My "fighter" was Iron Man. He looked exactly like his picture on the website. While in the reception area, I saw four of the other masseurs and they looked like their online pictures too, ranging from muscular to very toned/swimmer's build. Some very handsome. The facilities were clean and located in large apartment in a residential building (kind of weird). Iron Man was tall, very muscular (verging on bodybuilder), very clean, and had a sweet smile and boyish face. Naturally smooth. His massage and other skills were good. He engaged and seemed to be enjoying himself as well.
 
In the confirmatory email, they had revealed rates for time and activities. From another customer I learned that the rate does not equal time and that activity together. If the activity happens even in a shorter session time, you pay the higher rate. My session had no surprises.
 
Communications to set-up and confirm the appointment were challenging. I don't think they check email or the chat line on their website regularly. I ended up calling and speaking with the manager who spoke English reasonably well (and infinitely better than my Korean). I picked out my "fighter" from the ones who would be on duty the next day. Late that night, the manager emailed to tell me that the fighter I had chosen was not available because he already had an appointment but my next back-up (Iron Man) and two other guys were available. I emailed to confirm the next morning after they opened but got no response. Mysteriously, the same phone number didn't work the next day to confirm the appointment. I downloaded and set-up the wechat app and finally connected. Then after meeting in the neighbor, the assistant manager on duty told me that Iron Man was only available for a one-hour session rather than the two-hours that I had requested. That turned out to be sufficient for what I was looking for. I recommend installing the wechat app before setting up an appointment with any outfit in Seoul.
 
Overall, Seoul north of the Han River was great. Seoul south of the Han River (Gangnam neighborhood et al.) was boring. Seoul is still relatively inexpensive for a huge city. Getting around was easy. The subway is efficient and clean, and navigable once you figure out the ticket machines. Taxis are plentiful, clean and relatively cheap. The variety of Korean food was much more than what I've had here in the US. The people are friendly and there is a nice frequency of cute and handsome men. (I did not go out to any bars as I spent the evenings enjoying the food, beer and other fermented beverages.) There were seemingly fewer Caucasian tourists than in other big cities in Asia (and few international tourists in general), probably thanks to North Korean/US tensions. Fascinating history of the country.

Interesting discussion about "gay" and "lesbian" and what those words mean(t) in certain decades. The ST:DS9 episode to which I referred about the lesbian kiss was between two members of an alien species as poolboy48220 correctly alludes. So this kiss on Discovery was the first human-human male-male same-sex kiss that has been shown in the Start Trek universe - either in the TOS or in the Kelvin universe.*
 
The DS9 episode to which I referred, arguably, was about loving what is inside a person regardless of outward physical appearance. In that episode, the Trill was the symbiotic life form, two member of which had the female same-sex kiss - outwardly female in form but in symbiosis with an apparently gender-less creature that lived inside each of them. These creatures lived much longer than the humanoid host and were transplanted into a new host when the body of the host was going to die. The two outwardly female Trillss who were kissing were re-kindling their love from when they were in different hosts, one of them male and the other female. These two Trill didn't care about the outward physical appearance that defined genders. This episode was a nice recover from a similarly themed episode of Star Trek: The Next Generation - one that I found offensive when I first watched it and still do today. In that one, the Enterprise-D's human female Chief Medical Officer, Dr. Crusher, falls in love with an outwardly male Trill. The Trill's body is damaged and the symbiont has to be transplanted into the nearest Trill host species. That is a female body. Dr. Crusher coldly (IMHO) rejects the "new" Trill even though she (by form) pleads that he is still the same person inside (the same symbiont).
 
*I am REALLY exposing my geek cred here.

The lesbian lip-lock in the Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode "Rejoined" doesn't count as the first gay kiss?

I've seen Brian twice for massages in SF. The first time was positive with him doing some oral on me. The second time I thought that his massage skills were middling - he seemed to be phoning it in. The massage wasn't particularly sensual except that I found him incredibly attractive, having a soft (hard?) spot for muscular Asians. His pictures were accurate. I didn't think him to be feminine at all. At the end he let me touch him but he felt distant. I suspect that Brian's level of interaction is dependent upon how attractive he finds the client. I don't think that I am bad looking but I am old enough to be his father. Younger guys with bodies more like his may have a better user experience. There were no upcharges but I didn't ask for him to take his underwear off nor oral. At the end of the session, he stretched out on the bed and was texting (or on grindr) while I cleaned up and got dressed. He seemed a bit put out that he had to get up to say bye. I somehow felt worse leaving than when I got there. Even with his inherent hotness I will not see him again.

Reporting on my experience in Seoul for this super-popular () discussion, I opted to go to Octagon.
 
http://www.octagonmsg.com/
 
The experience was exceeded my expectations. My "fighter" was Iron Man. He looked exactly like his picture on the website. While in the reception area, I saw four of the other masseurs and they looked like their online pictures too, ranging from muscular to very toned/swimmer's build. Some very handsome. The facilities were clean and located in large apartment in a residential building (kind of weird). Iron Man was tall, very muscular (verging on bodybuilder), very clean, and had a sweet smile and boyish face. Naturally smooth. His massage and other skills were good. He engaged and seemed to be enjoying himself as well.
 
In the confirmatory email, they had revealed rates for time and activities. From another customer I learned that the rate does not equal time and that activity together. If the activity happens even in a shorter session time, you pay the higher rate. My session had no surprises.
 
Communications to set-up and confirm the appointment were challenging. I don't think they check email or the chat line on their website regularly. I ended up calling and speaking with the manager who spoke English reasonably well (and infinitely better than my Korean). I picked out my "fighter" from the ones who would be on duty the next day. Late that night, the manager emailed to tell me that the fighter I had chosen was not available because he already had an appointment but my next back-up (Iron Man) and two other guys were available. I emailed to confirm the next morning after they opened but got no response. Mysteriously, the same phone number didn't work the next day to confirm the appointment. I downloaded and set-up the wechat app and finally connected. Then after meeting in the neighbor, the assistant manager on duty told me that Iron Man was only available for a one-hour session rather than the two-hours that I had requested. That turned out to be sufficient for what I was looking for. I recommend installing the wechat app before setting up an appointment with any outfit in Seoul.
 
Overall, Seoul north of the Han River was great. Seoul south of the Han River (Gangnam neighborhood et al.) was boring. Seoul is still relatively inexpensive for a huge city. Getting around was easy. The subway is efficient and clean, and navigable once you figure out the ticket machines. Taxis are plentiful, clean and relatively cheap. The variety of Korean food was much more than what I've had here in the US. The people are friendly and there is a nice frequency of cute and handsome men. (I did not go out to any bars as I spent the evenings enjoying the food, beer and other fermented beverages.) There were seemingly fewer Caucasian tourists than in other big cities in Asia (and few international tourists in general), probably thanks to North Korean/US tensions. Fascinating history of the country.

Reporting on my experience in Seoul for this super-popular () discussion, I opted to go to Octagon.
 
http://www.octagonmsg.com/
 
The experience was exceeded my expectations. My "fighter" was Iron Man. He looked exactly like his picture on the website. While in the reception area, I saw four of the other masseurs and they looked like their online pictures too, ranging from muscular to very toned/swimmer's build. Some very handsome. The facilities were clean and located in large apartment in a residential building (kind of weird). Iron Man was tall, very muscular (verging on bodybuilder), very clean, and had a sweet smile and boyish face. Naturally smooth. His massage and other skills were good. He engaged and seemed to be enjoying himself as well.
 
In the confirmatory email, they had revealed rates for time and activities. From another customer I learned that the rate does not equal time and that activity together. If the activity happens even in a shorter session time, you pay the higher rate. My session had no surprises.
 
Communications to set-up and confirm the appointment were challenging. I don't think they check email or the chat line on their website regularly. I ended up calling and speaking with the manager who spoke English reasonably well (and infinitely better than my Korean). I picked out my "fighter" from the ones who would be on duty the next day. Late that night, the manager emailed to tell me that the fighter I had chosen was not available because he already had an appointment but my next back-up (Iron Man) and two other guys were available. I emailed to confirm the next morning after they opened but got no response. Mysteriously, the same phone number didn't work the next day to confirm the appointment. I downloaded and set-up the wechat app and finally connected. Then after meeting in the neighbor, the assistant manager on duty told me that Iron Man was only available for a one-hour session rather than the two-hours that I had requested. That turned out to be sufficient for what I was looking for. I recommend installing the wechat app before setting up an appointment with any outfit in Seoul.
 
Overall, Seoul north of the Han River was great. Seoul south of the Han River (Gangnam neighborhood et al.) was boring. Seoul is still relatively inexpensive for a huge city. Getting around was easy. The subway is efficient and clean, and navigable once you figure out the ticket machines. Taxis are plentiful, clean and relatively cheap. The variety of Korean food was much more than what I've had here in the US. The people are friendly and there is a nice frequency of cute and handsome men. (I did not go out to any bars as I spent the evenings enjoying the food, beer and other fermented beverages.) There were seemingly fewer Caucasian tourists than in other big cities in Asia (and few international tourists in general), probably thanks to North Korean/US tensions. Fascinating history of the country.

I wouldn't so much worry about the Tenderloin at 8 AM. It's MUNI that I would be worried about. Depending upon from what station you'll be boarding, be prepared for an intimate experience possibly especially when the little Chinese grandmas push on board. They look sweet....

This is a great thread. Thanks to all who have commented.
 
My partner and I, while still 10+ years from retirement, are talking about where we might want to retire. We have lived in San Francisco for decades and are financially OK. But SF has changed so much from the tech boom - and unlike from dotcom 1.0 - the changes are probably for good this time, that we don't love SF anymore and would gladly leave now if our careers weren't tied to this place. The Northern California wine country is lovely and there is a very active gay social scene and acceptance... think Healdsburg, Sonoma, Glen Ellen - but property is expensive, increasingly so. Petaluma is nice too. The Sonoma Co. airport is now served by major airlines with connections to SFO and LAX for flights. There is the new train that connects with the ferry to SF (the drive to SF can be horrendous during commute times and on Sunday afternoons). One downside is major medical care - even urgent care - requires a 30-40 minute drive to Santa Rosa.
 
We love to visit Palm Springs but agree with the previous comment that social life seems to be centered in alcoholic haze (not that the Wine Country isn't like that either but there are more options for activities and hobbies).
 
The cost of living anywhere in California can be high. Your dollar just doesn't go as far as in other states.
 
The winter weather in Oregon can be dismal but spring, summer and autumn are lovely, at least for now. For those on here expecting decades of more longevity, climate change should be a real consideration, especially in coastal and arid places.
 
My partner and I don't have an answer yet. For our more active retirement years, we have considered a semi-nomadic lifestyle of living in different places for ~1 year to continually challenge ourselves with new cultures, new people and new languages to keep our minds young. That's not for everybody. We also recognize that when settling down, we want a place with an environment that inspires healthy living, good climate without extremes, an active senior community, walkable, and easy to navigate. Some of the suggestions on here are great food for thought!

This is a great thread. Thanks to all who have commented.
 
My partner and I, while still 10+ years from retirement, are talking about where we might want to retire. We have lived in San Francisco for decades and are financially OK. But SF has changed so much from the tech boom - and unlike from dotcom 1.0 - the changes are probably for good this time, that we don't love SF anymore and would gladly leave now if our careers weren't tied to this place. The Northern California wine country is lovely and there is a very active gay social scene and acceptance... think Healdsburg, Sonoma, Glen Ellen - but property is expensive, increasingly so. Petaluma is nice too. The Sonoma Co. airport is now served by major airlines with connections to SFO and LAX for flights. There is the new train that connects with the ferry to SF (the drive to SF can be horrendous during commute times and on Sunday afternoons). One downside is major medical care - even urgent care - requires a 30-40 minute drive to Santa Rosa.
 
We love to visit Palm Springs but agree with the previous comment that social life seems to be centered in alcoholic haze (not that the Wine Country isn't like that either but there are more options for activities and hobbies).
 
The cost of living anywhere in California can be high. Your dollar just doesn't go as far as in other states.
 
The winter weather in Oregon can be dismal but spring, summer and autumn are lovely, at least for now. For those on here expecting decades of more longevity, climate change should be a real consideration, especially in coastal and arid places.
 
My partner and I don't have an answer yet. For our more active retirement years, we have considered a semi-nomadic lifestyle of living in different places for ~1 year to continually challenge ourselves with new cultures, new people and new languages to keep our minds young. That's not for everybody. We also recognize that when settling down, we want a place with an environment that inspires healthy living, good climate without extremes, an active senior community, walkable, and easy to navigate. Some of the suggestions on here are great food for thought!

This is a great thread. Thanks to all who have commented.
 
My partner and I, while still 10+ years from retirement, are talking about where we might want to retire. We have lived in San Francisco for decades and are financially OK. But SF has changed so much from the tech boom - and unlike from dotcom 1.0 - the changes are probably for good this time, that we don't love SF anymore and would gladly leave now if our careers weren't tied to this place. The Northern California wine country is lovely and there is a very active gay social scene and acceptance... think Healdsburg, Sonoma, Glen Ellen - but property is expensive, increasingly so. Petaluma is nice too. The Sonoma Co. airport is now served by major airlines with connections to SFO and LAX for flights. There is the new train that connects with the ferry to SF (the drive to SF can be horrendous during commute times and on Sunday afternoons). One downside is major medical care - even urgent care - requires a 30-40 minute drive to Santa Rosa.
 
We love to visit Palm Springs but agree with the previous comment that social life seems to be centered in alcoholic haze (not that the Wine Country isn't like that either but there are more options for activities and hobbies).
 
The cost of living anywhere in California can be high. Your dollar just doesn't go as far as in other states.
 
The winter weather in Oregon can be dismal but spring, summer and autumn are lovely, at least for now. For those on here expecting decades of more longevity, climate change should be a real consideration, especially in coastal and arid places.
 
My partner and I don't have an answer yet. For our more active retirement years, we have considered a semi-nomadic lifestyle of living in different places for ~1 year to continually challenge ourselves with new cultures, new people and new languages to keep our minds young. That's not for everybody. We also recognize that when settling down, we want a place with an environment that inspires healthy living, good climate without extremes, an active senior community, walkable, and easy to navigate. Some of the suggestions on here are great food for thought!

This is a great thread. Thanks to all who have commented.
 
My partner and I, while still 10+ years from retirement, are talking about where we might want to retire. We have lived in San Francisco for decades and are financially OK. But SF has changed so much from the tech boom - and unlike from dotcom 1.0 - the changes are probably for good this time, that we don't love SF anymore and would gladly leave now if our careers weren't tied to this place. The Northern California wine country is lovely and there is a very active gay social scene and acceptance... think Healdsburg, Sonoma, Glen Ellen - but property is expensive, increasingly so. Petaluma is nice too. The Sonoma Co. airport is now served by major airlines with connections to SFO and LAX for flights. There is the new train that connects with the ferry to SF (the drive to SF can be horrendous during commute times and on Sunday afternoons). One downside is major medical care - even urgent care - requires a 30-40 minute drive to Santa Rosa.
 
We love to visit Palm Springs but agree with the previous comment that social life seems to be centered in alcoholic haze (not that the Wine Country isn't like that either but there are more options for activities and hobbies).
 
The cost of living anywhere in California can be high. Your dollar just doesn't go as far as in other states.
 
The winter weather in Oregon can be dismal but spring, summer and autumn are lovely, at least for now. For those on here expecting decades of more longevity, climate change should be a real consideration, especially in coastal and arid places.
 
My partner and I don't have an answer yet. For our more active retirement years, we have considered a semi-nomadic lifestyle of living in different places for ~1 year to continually challenge ourselves with new cultures, new people and new languages to keep our minds young. That's not for everybody. We also recognize that when settling down, we want a place with an environment that inspires healthy living, good climate without extremes, an active senior community, walkable, and easy to navigate. Some of the suggestions on here are great food for thought!

I've lived in West Hollywood since the 70s, and it feels safe and familiar. But I live in a three story Townhouse, and my knees are giving me problems. I'm also sitting on a big pile of equity. Many of my friends have moved to Palm Springs, but when I go to visit them most of them seem to pass the time in an alcohol stupor sunning themselves by the pool. I don't drink, and I'm a fair skinned blue eyed redhead who is disinclined to spend my retirement applying sunscreen. I enjoy attending the Philharmonic, the Opera, and Theater. I also have begun to feel like I would enjoy a less hectic pace, but with a vibrant local arts scene and access to big city for its amenities, both social and carnal. I've been exploring-
 
1. Santa Rosa, CA. 55 miles north of SF. County seat of Sonoma County (wine country). Vibrant arts and restaurant scene, dry Mediterranean climate (average high August 84) and close enough for weekend getaways in San Franciso. Housing prices are reasonable by SF and LA standards. Two major medical centers.
 
2. Ventura, CA- a climate as fine as Santa Barbara and property near the ocean at affordable prices. Access to LA by train in about 75 minutes. The climate is so temperate that many homes have no AC.
 
3. Ashland, OR. The Ashland Shakespeare Festival is one of the largest Theater Festivals in the Country, it runs from February to October. In Southern Oregon about 20 miles from California, the climate is drier and warmer than Portland. Home prices are reasonable by California standards. The setting is beautiful. The downside- it is a shlep to SF or Portland, or to get to an International Airport to travel. Yet I have friends who have moved there and never want to leave.
 
I'm going to be visiting all these places over the next year. I think it's important to consider what is important to you, and establish some criteria as to what defines a high quality of life by your definition. I will revisit this thread when I've made a decision.
 
There is even still a chance I might end up in Paris ( where I've often dreamed of living) if I were brave, and willing to live in a 400 sq ft one room apartment that might still be the answer.