Bullakaun

I have been enjoying the forum a lot. BOY have the guys helped me not waste time and money on a bad Masseur. I got to wondering... I wonder how many guys are local to me. So many of us have our “About” section blank.
Cheers!

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So fellas, I got my first massage that turned erotic about two years ago. And ever since, I’ve had some ultimate sensorial, mind blowing experiences.
 
Unfortunately, it has tainted my desire to deal with “regular” men.
In the past, I’ve found dealing with most men to be pretty mediocre, as either their skills were limited,they were either sexually selfish (or overly submissive and pleasing) or they had a skewed perception of what good sex is... many of my encounters left me disappointed And irritated. However, with these sexy masseurs, who know how to do everything right (in my opinion), I just rather get a sensual/erotic massage than bother with taking the chance of wasting my time with a dude who either has bad skills, hygiene or approaches to seduction.
 
Has anyone else ever felt this way?

Nibay, I assume you know that there's another thread on spas that's now on page 80-something. All you have to do is start at the end and work backwards. Most of your questions will be answered.

The ill-fated Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was piloted by a “lonely and sad” captain who experimented with a flight profile almost identical to the aircraft’s final doomed path — one that left a slim chance of finding remains or clues to what really happened in the skies that calamitous evening, a new report reveals.
 
In the July issue of The Atlantic, writer and aviation specialist William Langewiesche delves into what happened to the missing aircraft, including the disclosure that Malaysian officials knew far more about where the aircraft was the night it went missing and that Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah had “indications of trouble.”
 
The Boeing 777 carrying 239 people from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing vanished March 8, 2014, and is presumed to have crashed in the far southern Indian Ocean. A safety report into the disaster by an international team last July revealed the plane was likely steered off course deliberately by someone and flown for several hours after communications were severed.
 
The night the aircraft went missing, control was seized in the cockpit during a 20 minute period between 1:01 a.m. and 1:21 a.m. and radar records show the autopilot was probably switched off, according to Langewiesche.
 
The Boeing 777 then made a tight turn to the southwest that Mike Exner, an electrical engineer and investigating the disaster as a member of Independent Group, told The Atlantic probably coincided with a climb of up to 40,000 feet meant to “accelerate the effects of depressurizing the airplane, causing the rapid incapacitation and death of everyone in the cabin.”
 
While drop-down oxygen masks may have deployed, passengers would have had little use since they are only intended for 15 minutes of use during emergency descents, not cruising at high altitudes. Whoever was in the cockpit, however, would have had access to four pressurized-oxygen masks with a supply that could last hours.
 
“The cabin occupants would have become incapacitated within a couple of minutes, lost consciousness, and gently died without any choking or gasping for air,” Langewiesche writes.
 
As MH370 kept rocking across the sky, the aircraft appeared on radar while approaching Penang island at nearly 600 mph where the Malaysia air force had F-18 interceptors stationed at Butterwoth Air Base. A former official told the Atlantic that air force officials made sure an accident report was edited last year to say the radar had been “actively monitored” and the aircraft was not intercepted since it was “friendly.”
 
That appears to be far from the truth. Military officials initially searched for MH370 in the wrong body of water to the east, when the aircraft actually flew in the opposite direction.
 
When the report by a 19-member international team was released last July, Chief investigator Kok Soo Chon said during a media briefing there was no evidence of abnormal behavior or stress among the two pilots – Capt. Zaharie Ahmad Shah and co-pilot, Fariq Abdul Hamid – that could lead them to hijack the plane.
 
Langewiesche notes that while the co-pilot had nothing but a bright future ahead and no red flags in his past, Zaharie’s life raised multiple concerns. After his wife moved out, the captain, who was reported to be “lonely and sad,” also “spent a lot of time pacing empty rooms” and obsessed over two young internet models.
 
Forensic examinations of the pilot’s simulator by the FBI also revealed he experimented with a flight profile that roughly matched what’s believed to have happened to MH370, and that ended in “fuel exhaustion over the Indian Ocean.” New York Magazine reported in 2016 that the simulated flight was conducted less than a month before the plane vanished.
 
A fellow 777 captain who wished to not be identified out of fear of repercussions did not offer a possible motive to The Atlantic, but said Zaharie’s emotional state was fragile.
 
“Zaharie’s marriage was bad. In the past he slept with some of the flight attendants. And so what? We all do,” the pilot told the magazine. “You’re flying all over the world with these beautiful girls in the back. But his wife knew.”
 
While Langewiesche notes the idea of “a pilot who runs amok” may be hard to conceive, it has happened before. In a similar incident, EgyptAir Flight 990 crashed off the coast of Massachusetts in October 1999 on its way from John F. Kennedy Airport in New York to Cairo. Audio captured by the co-pilot caught pilot Gameel Al-Batouti say 11 times in Arabic, “I rely on God.”
 
Two years later, the National Transportation Safety Board determined Al-Batouti had been suicidal and purposely crashed the plane while the first pilot was out of the cockpit. Egyptian Civil Aviation Agency adamantly denied the NTSB’s findings, saying the report was “flawed and biased.”
 
The doomed Germanwings Flight 9525, which crashed into the French Alps in 2015, was also determined to be a case of suicide-by-pilot. Officials determined co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, who had previously been treated for suicidal tendencies, flew the airliner into the mountains on purpose. The plane was heading to Dusseldorf Airport in Germany from Spain.
 
Malaysia’s government has said that investigative reports released thus far are not a final accounting because the plane’s wreckage or so-called black boxes haven’t been found. But even when — or if — they are discovered, Langewiesche writes that it may “accomplish little” since the cockpit voice recorder self-erases after a two-hour loop and probably only has the sounds of the final alarms going off.
 
The flight-data recorder may show when the aircraft was depressurized and how the satellite box was powered down, but give no further explanation as to what happened in the cockpit.
 
Scattered pieces of debris that washed ashore on African beaches and Indian Ocean islands indicate MH370 crashed in a distant stretch of the ocean, but a multi-government search by Australia, Malaysia and China failed to pinpoint a location.
 
Additional debris, however, may take a while to locate since the aircraft is believed to have gone into a “vicious spiral” before colliding with the sea in a manner in which the plane “disintegrated into confetti when it hit the water,” according to Langewiesche.
 
Instead of focusing on finding the physical parts of the Boeing 777, the aviation expert believes some of the key parts of the timeline of what happened could be revealed by what authorities in Malaysia know and are keeping from the public.
 
“Unless they are as incompetent as the air force and air traffic control, the Malaysian police know more than they have dared to say,” Langewiesche notes. “The riddle may not be deep.”

In western Massachusetts tonight. Checked our the slim pickings. Wanted a massage. Would be great if it turned sensual. Would be great if Guy was nice looking.
 
Found someone. No real connection to the pics. Searched the reviews and the forum. Nothing. Didn’t want to drive to Boston so booked it. Rate was $180. High for Boston burbs.
 
Guy was like his pics. Nothing I would have picked up in a bar but not terrible. Started massage. Was light. No oils or such. He immediately started to reach downtown. I didn’t respond I responded when he went back to massage. But he kept on going downtown. 10 min in he asked me to turn over. He turned the massage sexual. Not my doing. His. Ended after 20 min. He then said since it was sensual it was $240. Told him no. Gave him the $180 and left.
 
Would have been a better experience if I walked up to a homeless person and handed them $180.
 
Lesson learned. If no reviews online or no chatter on the forum. Hard pass.

Welcome to the forum and the modern world! We as a civilization worship money above all else. The only people who are inherently valued in our modern world are the already successful. Everyone else is just a human resource to be used and replaced when necessary. I'm intentionally being provocative because that's the current global meta-narrative and has been for large chunks of human history.
 
You've chosen a particularly competitive occupation, hobby, gig, side-hustle. The dearth of jobs with living wages means that a large majority of people have side-hustles just to eat and have a place to sleep. That means there's far more supply than demand, even as hourly escort rates are $300-$500+ in markets like LA.
 
If your avatar pic is you, then you have a fit body that will check many boxes for potential clients. Your thoughtful and measured post above shows an intellect and personality that will intrigue potential clients. But, there is a major stumbling block. You appear to be advertising in a very discreet limited way just here on the forum. While the forum is the right target market, there's much less visibility or presence for you so there's less risk for potential clients to flake because you are largely unknown. I wouldn't be surprised if some clients are booking with you as a backup while they wait to hear from a more well known but less responsive provider. That's not considerate, but it is life. Restaurants have to deal with this all the time, which is why some places require credit card numbers to secure a reservation. Keep in mind that requiring such info will substantially reduce your likely booking rate because so many clients would be scared away.
 
Life happens. We all have emergencies or issues come up. I urge you to see flakiness as one of the costs of business. I also urge you to figure out better marketing. Just being on the forum isn't enough. You won't get enough exposure to potential clients to create enough of a sales funnel to be sustainable. I also suggest you really think about what your key competitive differentiators are and how to message them in the market. Men are more visually driven than women, on average, but they still need to be enticed and seduced into wanting to spend time and money on you. Part of your job is to create a brand that is compelling to the target clients you want to attract. That brand should be based on things about you that are easy for you to do and that you hopefully even enjoy. Do you like to top? Are you funny? Are you hung? Do you like to Dominate? submit? Are your eyes mesmerizing windows into your soul? Is your skin supernaturally soft? Figure out your strengths and how to package them into a compelling service. You want your clients to want to hire you because you excite and intrigue them based just on the expectations you create with your marketing. It gets them psychologically invested in you as an experience and makes it less likely they'll flake unless it's a real emergency.
 
Feel free to direct message me if you want to chat more. I'm in the LA area and a client who hires occasionally for certain specific experiences.

New(ish) to the forum. I’ve read a lot here about clients announcing providers who are ‘flakey’ or who ‘cancel last minute’ and the providers are subsequently shamed and poorly reviewed.
 
Fast-forward to today... I’ve been canceled on 3x (three!) in the last 12 hours (by members of this forum). While they may have semi-reasonable excuses, the info only came to light when pressed last-minute.
 
Why the difference in standards? We’re all human trying to move through this life comfortably. Please try to respect everyone’s time, no matter the dynamic.

I loved the food. There were no options for bland. You could get spicy to very spicy. I loved it.

It seems to be a limited itinerary and not sure how many days you have at hand - use your maximum time in traveling through smaller towns and villages as you circle through these cities. Indian metropolises are a crowded mess but small towns are the real gems giving you a glimpse of the beautiful culture.
 
In terms of food, don't be too afraid to try local food - As long as you take care of water (only bottled) and avoid street food, you will be fine.
 
In Jaipur, do visit Chokhi Dhani on an evening, it's like a theme park giving you a glimpse of Rajasthani village life, food and hospitality. The local cuisine makes use of shrubs and spices grown in extreme weather and is very unique.
 
In Delhi, try visiting local bazaars (Chandni Chowk, Karol Bagh, Connaught Place) for a crowded but captivating shopping experience. Delhi is great to buy garments in general. In terms of food, clay oven (tandoor) based dishes and lassi (yogurt drink) are a speciality.
 
In Goa, see if you can travel to coastal towns in the north or south, they are gorgeous. Food wise, don't miss the coastal Malwani cuisine and seafood. If you are a morning person, try a local beach yoga and meditation group to join, it's a lot of fun - not what Goa is known for but the energy of the place is super conducive.
 
Feel free to PM me if you have any additional questions while being on the trip. Being an Indian myself, happy to share any cultural tips you may need.
 
Have fun and share stories once you are back

The Spa is to discuss masseurs, not advertise for them.

As a grad student you might be able to appreciate this, but in NYC you can basically walk in to your choice of men’s spa at almost any hour day or night and have a sensual relaxing massage. It’s very liberating! And you can’t really beat the price, $60 plus $40 tip per hour (no one has complained about $40 yet for me but I think that’s highly debated). Also soo many private masseur choices out there as well!

LA and New York. Variety And accessibility

Don't feel bad buddy. You didn't know.

If that was Los Angeles she would need to have a smart phone in her hand sending a text.

Great pics and Gifs @whipped guy !!

I recently was able to locate some nip pics so here goes...
 

Sorry guys, I meant to write I am South Asian (autocorrects to Southeast when I reply via my phone).
 
It encompasses a lot of groups, but Indian is the largest population in the world and the States.
 
Funny that the conversation of Southeast Asians came up, because I had a conversation with a Filipino friend and said that even among Asians there is a ranking in the gay community.
 
Filipinos who have Spanish blood are at the top because they pass for Latino and mixed race. Then the "brown boys" aka the Vietnamese and Thai for reasons stated by other posters. They also seem to be more hung. Then the East Asians -- usually Koreans because they are taller and have more square Western features, followed by Chinese and Japanese. Then South Asians on the bottom.
 
Unless you are Northern Indian with a fair complexion and light eyes. They are revered on the continent and why you seem them in Bollywood.
 
I don't see very many Indians, Pakistanis, Nepalese out. It might be internalized fear and cultural stigma. But also knowing you are not seen as attractive hurts. I have one Indian friend who is out. He has a beautiful dark hair and brown skin. The most dazzling white smile. Many people think he is Cuban. And when he tells some suitors he is Indian they change their opinions about him. Nothing has changed from when they thought he was Cuban versus Indian. That, to me, proves racism exists.
 
It's why a masseur asked me if I am Muslim (there are actually lots of Muslims in India) but it is none of his business and immaterial to the massage. Another said he was glad I didn't smell like an Indian. Out of the dozen or so LA masseurs I've gone to, I would say two were outright rude, and two seemed to have "issues." So that's one third -- not a good percentage. The rest -- the majority -- have been wonderful.

Same guy for sure. Massage was okay and done on a bed with my appointment. Wouldn’t say he is feminine. He does has a very nice body.

If I wanted somebody of my own age group and body type I wouldn't have to pay for it! "Bear" and "Daddy" social media and dating sites abound with a surplus of us older overweight men searching of love and sex.

Please, it wasn't my intention at all! you're more likely to win any money on the lotto.
 
Unless you're famous or closeted in a small town you have nothing to worry. I know a guy in Detroit who was blackmailed by 2 escorts because one of them said he got HIV from him. He went to the cops and they wanted to arrest them as soon as possible. The guy felt sorry and decided just to ignore them.
 
Btw, great thread!

I never do 60, a true massage barely scratches the surface during 60. It's only effleurage that warms up the body in 60. Deep work happens after that. I do 90 or 120.

I never do 60, a true massage barely scratches the surface during 60. It's only effleurage that warms up the body in 60. Deep work happens after that. I do 90 or 120.

I never do 60, a true massage barely scratches the surface during 60. It's only effleurage that warms up the body in 60. Deep work happens after that. I do 90 or 120.

It seems to be a limited itinerary and not sure how many days you have at hand - use your maximum time in traveling through smaller towns and villages as you circle through these cities. Indian metropolises are a crowded mess but small towns are the real gems giving you a glimpse of the beautiful culture.
 
In terms of food, don't be too afraid to try local food - As long as you take care of water (only bottled) and avoid street food, you will be fine.
 
In Jaipur, do visit Chokhi Dhani on an evening, it's like a theme park giving you a glimpse of Rajasthani village life, food and hospitality. The local cuisine makes use of shrubs and spices grown in extreme weather and is very unique.
 
In Delhi, try visiting local bazaars (Chandni Chowk, Karol Bagh, Connaught Place) for a crowded but captivating shopping experience. Delhi is great to buy garments in general. In terms of food, clay oven (tandoor) based dishes and lassi (yogurt drink) are a speciality.
 
In Goa, see if you can travel to coastal towns in the north or south, they are gorgeous. Food wise, don't miss the coastal Malwani cuisine and seafood. If you are a morning person, try a local beach yoga and meditation group to join, it's a lot of fun - not what Goa is known for but the energy of the place is super conducive.
 
Feel free to PM me if you have any additional questions while being on the trip. Being an Indian myself, happy to share any cultural tips you may need.
 
Have fun and share stories once you are back