Dmitri

@nycman , totally agree with all your comments. You are right on target!

I am sure Takeshi is a great masseur, as you and other long time Forum members have attested to in this post. My observation was about the peculiar hit and run nature of the 2 Forum members as described in my post.

Observation: Both Petman and eserd in the above posts joined the Forum as "Newbies" just to rave about Takashi and post the above glowing comments. They joined one day apart, June 25th and June 26th, just to post the glowing comments. It is their only comment posted in over a year, and BOTH have not visited the Forum since the exact same day, June 27th, 2018. In addition, one is 72 years old and one is 74 years old. Eserd even says he "regularly" visits the massage forum.( yet has not been here since the day he made his one and only post) Sounds like they are the same person, and connected to Takashi, or possibly even might be Takashi. Strange.

If someone lists their massage services on www.massagefinder.com (Not www.masseurfinder.com) you can be assured the session will be strictly therapeutic. That site is where all the strictly therapeutic people post their ads.

I was going to give him a try.....but that beard of his looks like it was painted on with black shoe polish, so I took a pass. If you are getting some grey in your beard and are self conscious about it, shave it off or go for the salt and pepper look. But doing a black shoe polish dye job is a huge buzz kill for me. Looks like he rolled black paint on with a paint roller,then used the same paint and painted on 2 eyebrows. (reference photo #2 in his Masseurfinder ad)

I have had tons of massages over the past 10 years with no problems. I practice safe sex if it goes past the massage, and also after the massage I always take a hot, soapy shower. Just practice safe sex and good hygiene and you should be fine. Life is a risk. When you get in your car tommw, you might get hit by another car, but you still drive. When you get on a plane, the plane might crash, but you still fly. Life is a risk, but you gotta live your life. So go enjoy your massage. Just practice safe sex if it goes past the massage, and take a hot, soapy shower after. Get your massage, and relax and enjoy it. Your other option is to never have another massage, and that ain't no fun!

Now that is confusing. If you click on the first link it says he is based in New York and has multiple photos. If you click on the second link it says his ad is a "New Listing" (as in "new advertiser') based in SF....and only has 2 photos. Plus, both ads have different phone numbers.(?) If he was based in NY and visiting SF he would have a "Visiting Now" icon on his ad. But his SF ad says "New Listing".....not "Visiting Now". Something weird is going on. Any ideas?

I can understand your frustration. I checked both links of the masseurs you contacted. Both ads have over the top , highly erotic photos. One masseur is lying naked on the beach. Both masseurs are almost naked in all their photos. Plus, both have high prices. To avoid experiencing angst in the future, probably best if you are looking for a therapeutic massage, to contact masseurs who have lower prices and are not flaunting their bodies. Mostly clothed photos and lower price points will assure the masseur is offering mostly therapeutic services. Good luck

If a masseur is out of town or experiencing family issue, emergencies, etc. there is a "Unavailable Now" icon they can flag on their ad.They also can disable their ad until they are able to take clients again. Masseurs should use this feature when necessary so we don't keep contacting them with no reply.

He is fairly new to SF, small studio on Gough Street. (Hayes Valley). Make sure you check out and read thru the website....it will give you a great overview. I have been to him once when I was in town for a meeting. As you will see from the website....it is strictly therapeutic. I used his special rate of $60 for 60 minutes.The massage was okay...no mutual touch....no happy ending. He was not nude. (I was) If you are looking for a basic massage, try him out. I would not repeat, pressure was to light for my taste, plus there were NO sensual elements, just as his website implies.

It should not be a struggle to book a session with a masseur, no matter how "wonderful" or "hot" they are. More important is how professional they are in responding to my request. I send a text requesting a session. If no reply after 1 day, I try again. If no response, I move on. My time is way to valuable. and life is way to short to pursue a masseur for a session. I could understand if there were only a few masseurs out there, but there are TONS of masseurs to choose from, especially in LA where Will is. I have booked with many masseurs who have promptly responded to my first request. I give my business to masseurs who respect my time and respond, not ones who make me chase them down.

At the point of payment, you should ask any masseur who only provides 45 minutes when you book a 60 minute massage session what the 45 minute rate is. If they act confused at the question, tell them they only provided 45 minutes (or less) and that's all you are paying for. Fair is Fair.

You are overthinking it. 99% of the time it is just what it sounds like. No code there. Innocent. They just want to know "what areas to focus on, or if you are having trouble with anything." In our minds that can be read as an innuendo, but most always it is innocent when they ask.

Did you pay it? I have been in similar situations where the masseur thinks he can short me on time, etc. just because he is hot and sexy. If they do short me, I do not pay the full amount. I tell them they can either provide the full amount of time I booked for, or I will prorate my fee for the time they did provide. If we don't call these masseurs on this behavior, they will continue doing it to the next client, and that next client can be any of us. By not saying anything, and paying in full, we are giving the message to the masseur that what they did was okay. And it is not okay. Just being "nice. hot and sexy" does not justify being given inferior service, and then letting them get away with it.

$180 for a 1 hr. strictly therapeutic massage is way overpriced. Insane. Even for a nude massage with HE and MT it is pricey. But $180 bucks for a 1 hr massage with a clothed masseur with NO extras?? You should get way more for $180/hr.

Wow....this guy is cocky, and not in a good way. He ends his ad with "text me "Available Now?" "My answer will be No" A terrible way to end an ad. Almost seems like he is trying to discourage clients from trying him. He sure discouraged me. So my answer to him is "No".

I get your point. Sounds like your sessions have always worked out great. The posts on this thread go back and forth on clients who ended up happy with the session, like yourself....and clients who ended up not happy, shorted on time, cancelled on last minute, etc. There are so many masseurs who have had no negative feedback at all in posts that I feel more comfortable going to them, and not wasting my time that I might catch Ryan West on one of his bad days. My time is very valuable, and I can't chance being a client who ends up like others in this thread who did not get what they signed up for. Thanks for your feedback .....sounds like he is working out great for you.

And he is gone 1 day later.....

Massuerfinder forbids masseurs offering erotic massage.....Rentmasseur allows it. So possibly the masseur is offering only therapeutic on MF, and erotic on RM....hence the different rates.

I am confused. If you post your photos, and you are black, then why is a client surprised you are black when they show up? It does not sound like a race issue, since if I see a photo of a white masseur, an Asian masseur, or an African American masseur, then I know who I am going to receive a massage from. So if you post your photos as a black man, why would a client be surprised that a black man answers the door? As I mentioned, it sounds like some other issue is at play here.

Interesting how he posts his own reviews (in broken English).....and then replies and thanks himself for the the posted review (in the exact same broken English as was in the review). Someone needs to let him know what a huge red flag that is, before he gets to his 99th review, which at his current pace of posting his own reviews, will be in October.

How unprofessional. This guy is off my list. I will never hire him. He should have at least offered you a free massage session for the inconvenience, or at least 50% off a future session. I wonder how Ryan West would feel if you called him 10 minutes before your scheduled session with him, and said " I was working at the office all day and am tired" and then cancelled your session.

All his reviews are hysterically funny! They sound like they were written by the writers of Saturday Night Live . ( Or Steve Martin, that "wild and crazy guy" )

And that incident right there should end anyone even remotely considering a massage session with JR.

I think you have "analysis paralysis." The odds that law enforcement would go to the trouble of posting a massage ad on a gay massage site......and then try to "entrap" clients that answer that ad is extremely low, almost zero. In the list of priorities that law enforcement faces, I would have to say entrapping gay men seeking a massage with "extras" is probably at the bottom of their list. They don't have the time, personnal or resources for something like that. They have much higher priorities. If they ever do go after people who provide "erotic massage" services, it is usually a female massage parlor that they have had complaints about from neighbors, and they can bust a large amount of people at once. Not the scenario you are describing....where they post an ad, you answer it, and one by one they bust clients. It is WAY to time consuming for them and not cost effective. They just don't have the time. So just relax and go get a massage. The odds of you being hit by lightning are higher than you getting busted by a "massage sting" as you described, especially from an independent masseur. Go enjoy your massage.