MrMattBig

Question to clients:

When asking for or wanting recent pictures, how recent are you asking for?

The red flags to me are he is new to RM and visiting, as well as the briefness of his ad.

NOT the error in a drop down menu selection.

Same reason I won't hire young guys or anyone under 28. I could've written the same exact thing. Partying and easily distracted is most of them. No judgement because I was once one too and I'm surprised anyone had the patience with me.

I'm under 28:(

Do you use condoms or go bare? If condoms it could just the wrong kind.

Experiment with different kinds, as well as different lubes. Personally, if my dick is not well lubricated before the condom, it causes discomfort as goes soft, so that could be a reason as well.

Its happened to me twice already, I feel discouraged

The last guy said he had a hard party the night before and the other turn his phone to watch porn with no success

I am not a model but nor am I bad looking

Hispanic

45 y/o

170lbs

5’7

I always had payed even if they can’t perform, should I have not to? Or sound bad but ask for a discount?

And I think I am done hiring younger guys, I am not sure but I had the misconception that they would perform better.

My next hire it’s going to definitely be a mature guy

Keep in mind maturity has nothing to do with age.

I'll have to respectfully disagree. This hobby is expensive. We, as clients, should be able to ask as many questions as we need, within reason, to verify that the escort in question's pictures are accurate. As for a three finger selfie, I never asked for it. I always asked the escort to hold up something dated-like a newspaper or even a piece of paper with the correct date written in. That's going to be a lot harder to fake than a 3 -finger selfie.

 

Gman

I agree, I am a client myself from time to time.

You should be able to know what the person you want to hire looks like.

If there is enough pictures to do so, I think asking for any type of picture is a poorly formed question.

Because in the case of the OP, the real question is "are you going to be the same person in the pictures?" If you just ask for more pictures, no matter the type, their are so many possibilities as to the why behind that. And an escorts response will be shaped considering those other possibilities as well, and you possibly will get an erroneous answer in regards to the actual reason why you asked that.

It's like in statistics, you learn that the way sometime questions are asked and data is collected can produce a biased or flawed result.

Asking for a picture is no different.

Just simply ask the question behind the reason why you are asking for a picture and go from there.

If the method to prove the person is real requires a picture, so be it.

But at least you will be receiving a more pure and genuine response.

Beware of this guy:

 

https://rentmen.eu/Mikaryker

 

I contacted him on Adam4Adam for a massage and he quoted me $180. I told him I was fine with the price but needed a 3 finger selfie to make sure he was the guy in the photos. No response so I'm guessing he's not using his own photos.

 

Now I see his Rentmen ad which has the same photos. The weird thing is the guy in the photos is Caucasian but in the description he lists his ethnicity as Latin.

 

Be careful with this one.

He clearly self describes as Canadian American in text in his ad headline, so obviously the Latin is a selection mistake on the drop down menu

(Latin is one below Caucasian).

As for pics, he was probably super annoyed about the three fingers selfie. Is is a distasteful way to ask if someone is "real". And also dangerous, because if he is real, his point of view could be that if he produces this picture, now someone can send it when anyone else asks for a 3 finger selfie, making a fake using his pictures more enabled to pull it off.

You want to ensure he is real.

I get it.

I hire too.

DONT ASK FOR MORE PICS IF HE ALREADY HAS SOME UP.

IInstead ask..." You are really hot, I want to be sure that you are really the person in the pics, and not someone usually a models pics on social media"

One of three things will happen, he will verbally assure you in an affirmative and gratitious way, offer to send you a picture or video chat on his own volition, or ghost you completely.

It is a telephone answering service. You can say anything a prostitute uses facilitates prostitution to the absurd.

Jeopardy answer to this question...

What is Fosta/Sesta?

That's overly harsh. The guys perform a valuable service and they're needed. But they're not clerical types usually. Answering calls and texts and setting appointments is a hard job that few are good at. They're professionals trying to also handle their own secretarial and that just never works well.

On the other hand, because this is not a vanilla job, it's not exactly typical to hire a secretary to answer calls and set appointments.

Therefore escorts should become accustomed to act as their own secretary as part of the job description. At least they should become an average one at best.

I would personally grade myself an A in scheduling but a B in responding to new inquires.

Personally, as with others on both sides of the fence, messages end up getting triaged. A detailed message that already states interests and well as availability will usually get responded to promptly. Messages that just say hey, saw your ad, will usually be responded to last, and depending on the volume of incoming texts, run the risk of being overlooked on accident.

Be concise out there!

Hi,

As a newbie, i was wondering if it is safe to trust most of the Rent.men ads as for real? It seems a lot of you rely on them, and i am hoping to jump in and contact a couple of them.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

John4

As with most in life, you should never offer blind trust at a face value assessment.

What will do you well diving into hiring is developing a strong sense of investigation, learning subtle clues of offerings as well as red flags, and being knowledgeable of exactly what you hope to get out of your time with an escort.

Never hired in SF, but from what I hear, for SF, your price seems about right. If you reduce a bit, you’ll get more bookings, which could result in more money overall, but do you want more bookings? Would you have the time and the energy? If you increase, you get less bookings but a little more money for each, so the loss of income would be there but maybe not too bad, which, in certain periods of your life might be a convenient arrangement.

You can experiment a bit to see the impact of your price changes for new potential clients. (I don’t recommend to increase for your regulars, that might piss them off).

Thanks for your input!

My time is limited by family and school obligations, but I definitely have the energy to accommodate everyone!

I am very knowledgeable of my body, energy levels, and capabilities.

I feel that I am at a perfect equilibrium with pricing, number of appointments and income, and don't plan to raise my rates until at least next year when I am able to put on more muscle.

My question is not so much looking for advice as to try and ascertain what clients opinions and expectations are when it comes to price and time/activities.

Not a reasonable response. Don’t ever sell yourself short cuz once you do others will try to haggle you down. Once they mentioned $140 you should have politely wished them well in their search and ended the call. Let them ponder over what they might have missed if they hadn’t been so cheap.

I agree with you 1000 percent!!!

However, money is for "time spent together", and I believe in hammering that ideal home to would be clients instead of having some saying "

Will you take 100, I just want to suck you".

Those responses I ignore out right. And I do have a basement price that I won't bother to get ready for anything less than said price.

Also, to the person that just said no thanks, I politely responded, "no worries, let me know when you are able to save up your funds, but keep in mind I do have a busy schedule so don't wait too long. Hope to meet in the future".

Kill them with kindness

I think your offer was reasonable...They said "I have this much to spend." You said "This is what I can do for that much."

 

BUT there may have been a different way to approach it.

 

It is possible that the potential client was trying to haggle with you. You quoted your rate. They lowballed. They may have expected you to say something like "sorry, but I can't do that for less than $200." They may have been willing to settle somewhere in the $180 neighborhood. That's just speculation, though, and not many escorts like to engage in haggling like that.

 

Remember, YOU'RE the service provider. You get to set your own rates for any particular appointment. If someone can't pay your normal rate and you want to make an exception, that's fine. If someone doesn't have the cash to pay for your services, that's fine, too. Sometimes things don't work out.

Absolutely!

I am business minded when it comes to pricing, I have my rate at 240, to allow room to take 200 on a super selective case by case basis.

Anything less that is offered to me, in my eyes is not sufficient negotiation if you are going to offer someone more than 20% less than what they are asking for. In those instances I offer a 30 minute appointment. I view things from both sides of the fence as I hire occasionally as well.

I just want to get a sense on what someone sees just on the hiring side as I am not impartial because I see both sides.

Question to clients...

What is your typical price range and how much time and how "detailed" do you expect that time to be in accordance with your price range?

I ask because I just had some inquire about my rates. I reponded with my hourly rate of 240. They proceeded to say it was outside their range. Not wanting this person to miss out on a great experience, I asked them what their budget was. They said 140, to which I said I could meet them for 30 minutes for that amount. Their response was "thanks, but I will pass".

Did I respond to them with a reasonable offer?

Kurtis, I can't even begin to imagine how many times in the past 18 years I have asked concise and limited questions of an escort by email or text and the ESCORT comes back with what you looking for? They don't read a simple 2 sentence question. RE: are you currently in town and what is your hourly rate? Answer: Hey

All this just goes to show, it's not a generational phenomenon that accounts for a lack of communication. I have perused many threads that insinuate it's a Millennial thing.

It stems simply from one party caring more about their immediate needs than the other.

This can happen at any demographic imaginable at any time.

When I see that on an ad it turns me off and makes me feel uncomfortable

It is a turn off and a deal killer when a client inquiries for a "student discount" or a "VGL" discount.

VGL is an eye catcher for me. By the way, good looks are not subjective.

If you are talking about facial geometry and symmetry, you are correct. However, looks are still not 100% objective. There is always some degree of subjectiveness.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder after all.

Sometimes a "client's" vocabulary consists of only five words/questions.

1. Avail?

2. Into?

3. Address?

4. Rates?

5. Pics?

No!!!

I've gotten screened in Vegas before. it just feels stupid. I won't send pics anymore as part of a prescreen. just dumb

If clients are explicit, expect an escort to ask for a face picture to ensure someone else doesn't show up and bust them.

Nah! I took a shower with that boy beforehand. He was squeaky clean. I have a feeling he's never had the pleasure

Squeaky clean outside doesn't mean the same inside. He could have been gassy, constipated, etc.

With that being said, if the added difficulty of connecting through advertising and back office type work results in more costs and time spent for escorts, prices will go up.

This really could not have been said any better.

There is no change in supply and demand,but rather the enabling vehicle. Prices will neither go up or down in an overall sense. Rather, there will be experimentation sporadically accross the board to adjust for the added difficulty of connecting consumer with provider.

Oy vey.

 

This may be a mistake. I’m going to limit this comment to that of economics since I’m a nerd when it comes to that sort of thing and got an undergraduate degree in it. (Note I said undergraduate - not a Ph.D!! Ha!) That, and I have no need to be right and wish providers and clients the safest of successes - however they might be defined to them.

 

First - supply and demand is, of course, fundamental to economic theories. It’s basic enough for most folks to understand. If supply goes up and demand stays constant, then it should drive prices down because the number of purchasers of a product has not increased, but the availability of that product has increased. And, of course, the reverse is true.

 

What I see in this instance is not really a change in supply or demand, but instead a “constraint” upon the system or marketplace for connecting the provider(supply) with the consumer(demand). Sort of like if you suddenly closed down a stock exchange. The supply of stock is there and the potentialpurchasers of said stock are there but their vehicle (I.e organized exchange; their efficient way of connecting) is removed, negatively impacted, or is reduced in some way. They are left to connecting through their existing known relationships but have limited access to providers they have no current knowledge and/or connections with. Over time, though, they will develop ways to “find one another again.”

 

Now, if the passage and reaction to this law had happened more slowly, perhaps it could be argued that the market could have adjusted with large numbers of providers leaving the market to reduce supply, but basically this has happened relatively quickly, and I think it’s safe to assume that the supply of providers is relatively the same. I think it’s also safe to assume that the demand for providers has not changed.

 

So what has and/or will change? It’s the way in which providers and clients can easily connect and transact business through online platforms. Making it more difficult; reducing platforms and ease of contact has an impact on BOTH sides - I would argue equal impacts - it reduces opportunity for the provider and it impedes choices for the client. Therefore, I would expect prices to hold constant if it’s equal. This is at least until the marketplace finds a way to adapt - and I believe it will. How soon is hard to guess, but it will. In the meantime, I would expect providers to become more reliant on their “regulars” and those “regulars” will be potentially less distracted with other options in the meantime.

 

Anyhow, I could be wrong. I don’t claim to know everything, but I do think that the OP’s premise that demand will be going up is misled (or at least doesn’t acknowledge the factors mentioned here) unless the online portals used to connect providers and clients make up a small portion of the market, which I doubt.

 

Bottom line is I believe that the law places a constraint on the industry which has impacts on both sides of the supply/demand equation.

 

And this will hopefully be the extent of my contribution of another long-winded post on this thread. Thanks for indulging an Econ nerd if you even read to this point. Cheers and best wishes to all!

$150 seems to be the upper limit I would consider for a massage. Yet I will pay $200/he for an escort. Escort' don' have the same overhead as masseurs. Why the difference?

Appointment quantity limits, lube, toys, travel (gas, rental car flights) rent/morgage, testing, risk of exposure etc

I read rather less into the question than you apparently have. I took the question to be limited to whether it would be awkward for an escort if someone asked for their contact details as insurance against the possible disappearance of escort ad sites. I didn't think the question implied an expectation that having those details would be a short-cut to hiring in the future. Rather, I expected that the questioner expected to exercise the normal courtesy of giving reasonable notice when they attempt to book an appointment.

 

I'm grateful to any escort who says that the preemptive exchange of contact details is not awkward, and also to those who have posted their details here as insurance of their own. I don't see that doing so gives me any right to contact people at random other than when I actually want to book time.

You would be surprised at the number of inquires I get asking if I am still in town in cities I haven't visited in almost a year. The possibility of this happening and it actually happening is what can lead to an escort feeling awkward about someone asking to save your number, because we will feel apprehensive that you will waste our time when you do contact us.

What I say is not indicative of you, or anyone specifically. It's more like a preemptive PSA.

Because there are some bad apples in every bunch.

Lately I have received PMs from “newbies” asking me to share my experience with masseurs I have commented about on this forum. I provide very general details, but the newbie keeps pressing for a play-by-play commentary - which I refuse to give.

 

Is anyone else experiencing this?

Case in point. I have a new prospective client contacting me right now on RM. His profile is all filled out detailing the type of experience he would like to have. He asks me to check out his profile so I can have an idea of what he is looking for.

I check it out and reply that what he described sounds hot and that we will have a great time together.

He then proceeds to verify that I will do specific acts after this response (nothing to explicit, can I be dominate, verbal, kink friendly etc).

In my experience this more times than not leads to more explicit play by play questions and usually is either a fantasy sexter looking to get off, or probing law enforcement.

Was my initial response not adequate from a client's prospective?

Should I be cautious and not proceed further?

Should I continue to answer all his questions and take an assumed risk of having my time wasted or encountering law enforcement?

A penny for your thoughts gentlemen?