MrMattBig

What about a longer hire - two hours or over night? To be honest, I agree with @marylander1940 see above.

I agree with @marylander1940 's comments on this thread as well.

But not sure how I would know if that is why (multi-hour or overnight) someone would be asking "How much?", and if what someone could afford would be up in the air based off typical overnight or multihour rates, based off a "How much?" as the only message received with no additional context.

What would have been an acceptable first question?

It's not so much as being acceptable as it is about decency and intent. Starting with an introduction is always polite, and logistics is always good, as location and availability would be among the most important deciding factors, especially when claiming anything can be afforded.

Why do you think that was a lie?

Most I have encountered who really can/could afford any rate within reason (not talking like 1000 plus/hour but like 200-500) that's usually the last piece of information asked so they know what to go to the atm for, not the first.

If his first question was "How much," then it appears you were dealing with a sub-species called "assimus-holibus." If that was his last question after a pleasant exchange, well, um...

Very first message.

Exchange on A4a....me being a sassy scorpio but explaining myself after feeling my character slightly attacked.

Thoughts? This is as much of a question on my part as me providing a window into an escorts life

Client: How much?

Me: what is your budget?

Client: I thought you were a professional.

Me: Well, answer your question, I am experimenting with different approaches to handle different situations. Those who ask rates first, typically are not willing to pay market normal pricing when it comes to escorts. This is especially more when phrased as how much like you proceeded to do. Additionally, my rates are in the website in my headline. Those facts coupled together, further demonstrate a lower spending ability or willingness. So I took the approach, assuming that's correct, of bypassing that initial exchange of you either telling my my rates are too much, ignoring me, you telling me you would think about it/get back to me, and open the floor up for negotiation or what you are willing to contribute.

Furthermore, when I act professionally, those contacting me can sometimes feel intimidated or that I'm being callous, so I am taking the approach to respond with the same level of type of correspondence as what is being given to me in certain circumstances.

Client: I can afford anything I want. Your long, convoluted response? and instructions to visit a different site to get a very simple answer to a very simple question show a complete lack of professionalism.

Thanks for all the feed back guys

Seems that the lawyer he is referring to in some capacity used to use the google voice number you now have. Just by cosmic fate you have the same name as well

I've experienced this too. I few of my experiences has lend me to believe that it might be because of heightened sensitivity that is not pleasant for them.

Anyways let me not hijack...

If he says may consider sending face pictures, and then say no, i wouldnt suspect he fake from that like some might think...but because hes bisexual, top, and new, it seems like he is G4P, green and not sure how far he wants to take this or maybe even conflicted.

Conversation could say otherwise, just my .02

I think the link posted above is incorrect. Try https://rent.men/NeilXXL

I retract my response sorry everyone. I shouldn't yell at the basketball game and try to contribute here at the same time

I know how much time it takes to drive from Santa Monica to download LA at rush hour as opposed to later in the evening on weeknights, and I just visit southern California occasionally. I have never lived near LA.

 

Why do you believe clients do not have common sense.

 

The only explanation that makes any sense is if clients in Santa Monica are visiting and never driven on Sunset Blvd. I realize there are many alternative route and Sunset would be awful in late afternoon.

Most who expect unrealistic travel times in LA...LIVE IN LA!

My experience has been that those expectation usually come through at night time, with a possibility of PNP being involved, intensifying the "now" factor. Other theory is I believe its just because of plain selfishness and entitlement, and this goes for hiring and hookups, and for whatever reason feel the other person should defy physics to meet because they feel whatever they have to offer is that good.

Gone with beyond fast speed!!

Definitely your response helps put things in perspective

And very VERY few inquires are as detailed and considerate as yours would be, so I extremely appreciate you ))

Its not that egregious, more of a pet peeve than anything and doesn't both me too much.

What bothers me is the unintended outcomes . All the window shopping texts and all the unnecessary conversation can cause a legit message to fall through the cracks. The client I had the other night was one of those, and honestly it was one of the hottest experiences I have personally had as well. And I missed his original message a while back because my phone was inundated with window shopping and unnecessary texts. And he had such a good time and was his first time hiring, and he almost missed out on the experience from his end too because of the unintended consequences related to others actions.

There are folks for whom communicating via text is off putting because they only want to communicate via phone, while there are others for whom communicating via phone is off putting because they only want to communicate via text. In other words, you can't please everyone.

 

I typically check out the escort's website before making contact and my preferred method of first contact is by email. There are three reasons for this:

1. My first contact states who I am, what I like, what I'm looking for and when I'm looking for it. That's a lot to type in a text and, frankly, a lot for the escort to read on a small phone screen.
   
2. We are all busy and when I am free the escort might not be. An email allows him to get back to me when he has the time to do so and not have to sit there waiting for me to reply to a text, thus prolonging the exchange.
   
3. I don't know where or with whom the escort is when sending a text. At last count, there have been 17,856 complaints about escorts texting when they are with a client and 12,387 complaints about escorts not getting back to prospective clients within 47.35 seconds of the text's delivery. Why cause complaints 17,857 and 12,388? (Oops, wait - complaint 17,858 - one just came in!)
   

That being said, not everyone is me. There are guys who don't want to view an unfamiliar website, aren't comfortable using the internet, are fearful of web traffic being tracked, and the list goes on. What it comes down to is how egregious it is to you for a client to ask your rate when it is displayed on your website. Frankly, if it is THAT much of a problem for you then you might want to ask yourself whether you are cut out for this business. I work for an internet-based financial services provider whose rates are plastered all over our website and ads. The rate is displayed more prominently than our phone number. Wanna guess what our number one question is? If you guessed "what is your rate?" you are correct.

 

My suggestion is to follow your gut when talking to a guy. If the conversation seems to be heading into phone-sex territory you can politely suggest he check out your website. The guy is not going to hire you, so who cares if he is offended? He is probably not going to tell all his friends, so there is a slim chance that you will lose prospective clients. On the other hand, if a guy calls you and sounds like he is serious about hiring you, it makes little sense to direct him to your website. If your expectation is he will check out your website and call you back you might want to re-think your expectation. It is not going to happen.

 

Hope this helped.

Great idea!

 

 

 

Some would react as they did on here... unfortunately. Most potential clients will understand your situation and walk the extra steps to find out more about services in the other site.

I think its more a positively skewed mix bag here, and actually some suggestions to use in conjunction with my current handling of the situation that are worth trying at the very least

Did you realize how much drama (potential or real) a simple business suggestion has caused?

 

There has been talk of blocking you because of this... Insane!

 

if there's so much censorship just keep all the more private questions to WhatsApp or ask folks to call you for specifics about what you do... You'll do fine!

What there needs to be is another platform that is both bolder and more cautious when toeing the line of the U.S. legal system!

More conversation leads to more risk of law enforcement issues for providers. And I understand a clients need to ask questions, I really do. That's why I have created a website that can answer questions and serve as a window into what type of experience you can expect from me. RM is just super inconsistent, but its what we have right now as the go to platform.

My question, and annoyance to be blunt, is it really that hard/inconvenient/off putting if a provider says that answer and more can be found on my website?

Several years ago I had roommates driving for Uber and I remember it was $1.10/mile.

Now its cut in half basically while costs for drivers only go up!

F*cking ridiculous! I don't whether to not give these companies business now, or take more rides to help support drivers.

Ugh!

RS has had a link to his website in his RM ad since last year.

 

~Boomer~

I had the same, but once I went to edit it then they censor. I actually even had my rates in my adcopy 2 separate times after rates were not allowed anymore. Sometimes things slip by, but heaven forbid you edit your ad with RM....

That's when they get you.

If I contact you and you redirect me to a website, I would probably move to the next provider. Blocking you is an over reaction, but I would prefer someone who responds to my direct questions with direct answers.

I can respect that, we met once and I remember answering specific questions to your specific interests. But you also described yourself and interests independently as well, which takes some of the burden of explicit talk away, and as I recall it wasnt in a way that confirmed sexual acts between us two. And I don't redirect to my website every time someone contacts me, just when they ask questions that are answered on my website, and when those questions are asked without any availability logistics about meeting mentioned, which usually indicates window shopping. And if I expend unnecessary time addressing window shoppers, I could miss and lose track of a message from someone who is serious about meeting and ready to book an appointment. And that actually recently happened, but luckily the guy i missed a message from was very understanding and flexible and we ended up meeting and having an amazing time.

I think if your are responding to an email or text message, it is fine to direct me to your website if the question is a generic "what are your fees?" However, if the question is asked during a phone conversation, then a direct response would be appropriate.

 

Where I would recommend a direct response would be if you are engaged in an exchange about spending time together and the question is specific, "what is your fee for a two-hour appointment?" A response of $x would be appropriate and then reference your website as well. I would understand that a back and forth of asking for all options would not be appropriate.

I could do a double headed approach, I like that! But what I won't do via phone is answer sexual questions directly. Too incriminating and too much beat off material. That was the question with the phone call. The guy asked "How big is your cock?"

you're one of a very, very few providers that has a separate, personal website.....to be the devil's advocate, many clients may see your polite reference to your website as an attempt to sell a subscription or an attempt to gather personal information......

 

I just looked at your RM ad text.....I saw the headline referring vaguely to your personal website and a single sentence buried in the text.....you may want to emphasize in an obvious first sentence (boldfaced??) of text that rates for time and other FAQs are discussed in your (clickable!!) personal website and to please look it over first to see if questions are answered......

Good suggestions, I can try to use HTML code to do that. I have tried to type it out that way and copy paste it, RM edits and censors like crazy! I actually had my ad deactivated by them deleting my website from the headline and disabling my ad until I had an approved header. But I can always try again and beat the system!

My website view hits are way less then my RM view hits, which shows that a lot of people don't see it or don't bother to copy/paste and visit my personal website. I usually just direct them to it, but because of the recent occurrences of people ignoring or blocking me when I do, I am trying to get a sense on what is the best way to handle this. I don't want to ignore when asked for rates or other questions and have erroneous conclusions drawn about me because I didn't answer their questions.

Hi everyone, I haven't posted much here lately but I'm slowly trying to be more involved

I have a question, how do you guys feel about being directed to a personal website when asking about rates or other info?

My website is in the headline of my RM ad, so when I have new inquiries asking for rates or other information that is on my website, I I kindly ask them to visit my website, repost a link in the message, and ask them to follow up with their availability. I have had one guy hang up a phone call on me, and another block me via SMS.

When you ask questions, would you rather have them answered directly as opposed to going to a website that might have other useful information?

Is maybe the thought of visiting a website make it feel like spam. Your thoughts gentlemen?

Unfortunately, this is just a SMALL window into the attitudes and expectations escorts have to endure. I have had people go off on me like this directly via text and email several times in the past.it would actually be.more common, but lucky those who have this attitude usually just block you on whatever medium is being used.

Sometimes people just need to chill and be cool. Like last night I hang out with someone to the wee hours of the morning (4 hours total for a 90 minute booking because they were really chill and I had a bit of free time.

Be cool, I jump through hoops to please you, have an attitude, I close up like a clam.

Basic sex: if I hire you, you kiss you suck you swallow your rim and you get loaded: basic sex! Aything less means you're a12 year old having sex in your parents basement. I don't know when things got so wrong but it seems that asking for basic sex is asking for the fukn Moon. This one sucks but doesn't get fucke, or this one kiss but doesn't rim, and so on... Are these guys sex workers? or glorified waiters at the "half ass buffet"

 

I blame clients! I blame all these guys paying for practically nothing which inflates the narcissism of the escort who's in shock when someone ask him to do more than just show up

 

Basic sex: you know the thing you've seen in the millions of porn film: kiss suck swallow rim fuck get fucked..

but I guess basic sex is on the verge of Extinction

Reservations made at the Canyon Club

See you all in Palm Springs!

Also asking for selfies can be a moot point, as some scam artists with contact other escorts posing as clients to obtain selfies to further their scams of using stolen pics to bait and switch. This on top of general picture collecting is another reason why a lot of escorts may not send selfie pics.

I'm looking at a guy right now on RM who almost looks too good to be true. He also has no reviews and a reverse image search of his pics leads me to a male model's instagram. Could it actually be the model? Gold status on RM isn't cheap so it seems like a lot of money to put into a fake profile.

Gold status is $39.99/month for advertisers on RM.

What drives up costs are the "feature" promos and platinum boosting.

Scam artists would view $40 as the costs of doing business just the same as legit advertisers do.

If it the pics lead to a model's Instagram, start by checking if location and whereabouts of this model match the RM profile.