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    + haring222 got a reaction from TruHart1 in zeb atlas   
    That makes me happy to hear....so many of those guys have so many issues as they go forward with life.  If you care to, let him know a guy in Chicago remains a fan 🙂
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    + haring222 got a reaction from builder boy in zeb atlas   
    That makes me happy to hear....so many of those guys have so many issues as they go forward with life.  If you care to, let him know a guy in Chicago remains a fan 🙂
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    + haring222 got a reaction from + Just Sayin in Escorts of Yesteryear   
    I ha so forgotten about 'Zsolt, the Hungarian"...he was such a sweet guy.  For a minute he was working with another younger Hungarian guy who was also a waiter at a local diner...I still think about that encounter 20 years later.  
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    + haring222 got a reaction from Rod Hagen in Escorts of Yesteryear   
    I ha so forgotten about 'Zsolt, the Hungarian"...he was such a sweet guy.  For a minute he was working with another younger Hungarian guy who was also a waiter at a local diner...I still think about that encounter 20 years later.  
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    + haring222 got a reaction from thomas in MANAGING THE ESCORT SCHEDULE   
    Back when I was escorting (in the lates 90s, at the dawn of the internet age and start of rentboy.com), I had a thing called the two strike rule.  I would see a client, they would generally enjoy it...if they would want to see me again I could not be available one time, but if I were not available on the second time he reached out the fellows interest would ease off and I would likely never get another phone call.  It did not matter if I had been rocking that guys world for a year...I say no twice in a row they move on to another guy.  This became more and more of an issue as my schedule filled up with clients and with college.
    This really bothered me, and I was trying all sorts of ways to keep track of schedules and make sure I was available or spring enticing tales of what collegiate activities made me unavailable....but I also started to realize that I was basically having relationships with some of these guys, and that was much more mentally exhausting (and honestly less sexually exciting) than getting new fellows.  I had one guy who was super nice and paid well, but was a heavy smoker and wanted the same ridiculous scenario of me being a cop and pulling him over for speeding, forcing him to bend over for me.  I was 6'2" and 180 lbs in a Northwestern sweatshirt, so why any of that made sense was beyond me.  Each time it would end with him telling me he forgot his wallet in the car and asking me to walk out with him, so he could show me whatever car he was driving on loan from the dealership he worked out and I had to oooh and aww over it.  He was the first one that I had to turn down twoice and did not ever call again, which was a financial sadness but a glorious mental relief.  
    In today's world, now that I am the one shelling out the cash, I totally see the other side.  A few touring escorts have gone the extra mile and allow you to use Calendly to book an appointment, which is handy but it also makes you think 'oh, he has seven slots available, is he going to see six guys before me if I pick the 10PM time?' which is kind of gross.
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    + haring222 got a reaction from ICTJOCK in MANAGING THE ESCORT SCHEDULE   
    Back when I was escorting (in the lates 90s, at the dawn of the internet age and start of rentboy.com), I had a thing called the two strike rule.  I would see a client, they would generally enjoy it...if they would want to see me again I could not be available one time, but if I were not available on the second time he reached out the fellows interest would ease off and I would likely never get another phone call.  It did not matter if I had been rocking that guys world for a year...I say no twice in a row they move on to another guy.  This became more and more of an issue as my schedule filled up with clients and with college.
    This really bothered me, and I was trying all sorts of ways to keep track of schedules and make sure I was available or spring enticing tales of what collegiate activities made me unavailable....but I also started to realize that I was basically having relationships with some of these guys, and that was much more mentally exhausting (and honestly less sexually exciting) than getting new fellows.  I had one guy who was super nice and paid well, but was a heavy smoker and wanted the same ridiculous scenario of me being a cop and pulling him over for speeding, forcing him to bend over for me.  I was 6'2" and 180 lbs in a Northwestern sweatshirt, so why any of that made sense was beyond me.  Each time it would end with him telling me he forgot his wallet in the car and asking me to walk out with him, so he could show me whatever car he was driving on loan from the dealership he worked out and I had to oooh and aww over it.  He was the first one that I had to turn down twoice and did not ever call again, which was a financial sadness but a glorious mental relief.  
    In today's world, now that I am the one shelling out the cash, I totally see the other side.  A few touring escorts have gone the extra mile and allow you to use Calendly to book an appointment, which is handy but it also makes you think 'oh, he has seven slots available, is he going to see six guys before me if I pick the 10PM time?' which is kind of gross.
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    + haring222 got a reaction from + robear in MANAGING THE ESCORT SCHEDULE   
    Back when I was escorting (in the lates 90s, at the dawn of the internet age and start of rentboy.com), I had a thing called the two strike rule.  I would see a client, they would generally enjoy it...if they would want to see me again I could not be available one time, but if I were not available on the second time he reached out the fellows interest would ease off and I would likely never get another phone call.  It did not matter if I had been rocking that guys world for a year...I say no twice in a row they move on to another guy.  This became more and more of an issue as my schedule filled up with clients and with college.
    This really bothered me, and I was trying all sorts of ways to keep track of schedules and make sure I was available or spring enticing tales of what collegiate activities made me unavailable....but I also started to realize that I was basically having relationships with some of these guys, and that was much more mentally exhausting (and honestly less sexually exciting) than getting new fellows.  I had one guy who was super nice and paid well, but was a heavy smoker and wanted the same ridiculous scenario of me being a cop and pulling him over for speeding, forcing him to bend over for me.  I was 6'2" and 180 lbs in a Northwestern sweatshirt, so why any of that made sense was beyond me.  Each time it would end with him telling me he forgot his wallet in the car and asking me to walk out with him, so he could show me whatever car he was driving on loan from the dealership he worked out and I had to oooh and aww over it.  He was the first one that I had to turn down twoice and did not ever call again, which was a financial sadness but a glorious mental relief.  
    In today's world, now that I am the one shelling out the cash, I totally see the other side.  A few touring escorts have gone the extra mile and allow you to use Calendly to book an appointment, which is handy but it also makes you think 'oh, he has seven slots available, is he going to see six guys before me if I pick the 10PM time?' which is kind of gross.
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    + haring222 got a reaction from Dolman in MANAGING THE ESCORT SCHEDULE   
    Back when I was escorting (in the lates 90s, at the dawn of the internet age and start of rentboy.com), I had a thing called the two strike rule.  I would see a client, they would generally enjoy it...if they would want to see me again I could not be available one time, but if I were not available on the second time he reached out the fellows interest would ease off and I would likely never get another phone call.  It did not matter if I had been rocking that guys world for a year...I say no twice in a row they move on to another guy.  This became more and more of an issue as my schedule filled up with clients and with college.
    This really bothered me, and I was trying all sorts of ways to keep track of schedules and make sure I was available or spring enticing tales of what collegiate activities made me unavailable....but I also started to realize that I was basically having relationships with some of these guys, and that was much more mentally exhausting (and honestly less sexually exciting) than getting new fellows.  I had one guy who was super nice and paid well, but was a heavy smoker and wanted the same ridiculous scenario of me being a cop and pulling him over for speeding, forcing him to bend over for me.  I was 6'2" and 180 lbs in a Northwestern sweatshirt, so why any of that made sense was beyond me.  Each time it would end with him telling me he forgot his wallet in the car and asking me to walk out with him, so he could show me whatever car he was driving on loan from the dealership he worked out and I had to oooh and aww over it.  He was the first one that I had to turn down twoice and did not ever call again, which was a financial sadness but a glorious mental relief.  
    In today's world, now that I am the one shelling out the cash, I totally see the other side.  A few touring escorts have gone the extra mile and allow you to use Calendly to book an appointment, which is handy but it also makes you think 'oh, he has seven slots available, is he going to see six guys before me if I pick the 10PM time?' which is kind of gross.
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    + haring222 got a reaction from Walt in MANAGING THE ESCORT SCHEDULE   
    Back when I was escorting (in the lates 90s, at the dawn of the internet age and start of rentboy.com), I had a thing called the two strike rule.  I would see a client, they would generally enjoy it...if they would want to see me again I could not be available one time, but if I were not available on the second time he reached out the fellows interest would ease off and I would likely never get another phone call.  It did not matter if I had been rocking that guys world for a year...I say no twice in a row they move on to another guy.  This became more and more of an issue as my schedule filled up with clients and with college.
    This really bothered me, and I was trying all sorts of ways to keep track of schedules and make sure I was available or spring enticing tales of what collegiate activities made me unavailable....but I also started to realize that I was basically having relationships with some of these guys, and that was much more mentally exhausting (and honestly less sexually exciting) than getting new fellows.  I had one guy who was super nice and paid well, but was a heavy smoker and wanted the same ridiculous scenario of me being a cop and pulling him over for speeding, forcing him to bend over for me.  I was 6'2" and 180 lbs in a Northwestern sweatshirt, so why any of that made sense was beyond me.  Each time it would end with him telling me he forgot his wallet in the car and asking me to walk out with him, so he could show me whatever car he was driving on loan from the dealership he worked out and I had to oooh and aww over it.  He was the first one that I had to turn down twoice and did not ever call again, which was a financial sadness but a glorious mental relief.  
    In today's world, now that I am the one shelling out the cash, I totally see the other side.  A few touring escorts have gone the extra mile and allow you to use Calendly to book an appointment, which is handy but it also makes you think 'oh, he has seven slots available, is he going to see six guys before me if I pick the 10PM time?' which is kind of gross.
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    + haring222 got a reaction from + Yellowrod in This Tattoo thing.   
    I see so many cute fellows with such huge tattoos, and they just make me loose interest.
     
    When I was a teenager, I remember the lectures from my overbearing, difficult, screechy voiced mum who has basically been 70 years old her entire life. Most of them were not relevant to the life of any sane adolescent, but the one that actually made sense was her absolute loathing of anyone who got a tattoo. Everything from 'they did that to our people at the camps' to 'I want to make sure I can bury you in a Jewish cemetery when you die'....oddly enough, when she actually turned 70 a few years ago and got 'permanent makeup' applied to her eyebrows (making her look sort of like a wrinkled, terrifying version of catwoman) and lips (making her look like a vegas hooker at a long night of work) we had a blowout argument about that being the same / looking s bad as a tattoo.
     
    I digress.
     
    I buzzed down to Indianapolis to visit her last weekend and while in situ in my adolescent bedroom, I decided to sneak out for a meeting with a great looking fellow off of rentmen. And managed to not notice in his ad that he had massive star shaped tattoo messes all over his chest (oy) which was a letdown. (though he looked quite nice facedown, so all was not lost).
     
    The entire time I kept thinking 'oh, god those will look terrible when you are 50' but on my way home realized I would likely be mostly dead by the time he was 50, so I did not have to worry about it.
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    + haring222 got a reaction from wayout in Only fans limiting performer escorts   
    This is only my opinion, but it seems only fans has really cut back on the number of adult film stars who are escorts.  It used to be I'd constantly run across notable performers who escorted...now they are all making 10x the money producing model generated content.  Has anyone else noticed this?
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    + haring222 got a reaction from Beancounter in Chicago   
    In case you are looking at airbnb spaces I have a beautifully located (a 6 minute walk to the gay strip) space that is very escort friendly. Discount for forum folks who send me a note :-) I am going to be targeting the space for use by escorts.
    https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/49290332?guests=1&adults=1&s=67&unique_share_id=4c3f0f3a-c30e-4690-bd07-2f1967211711
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    + haring222 got a reaction from + Bryan Dube in Chicago   
    In case you are looking at airbnb spaces I have a beautifully located (a 6 minute walk to the gay strip) space that is very escort friendly. Discount for forum folks who send me a note :-) I am going to be targeting the space for use by escorts.
    https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/49290332?guests=1&adults=1&s=67&unique_share_id=4c3f0f3a-c30e-4690-bd07-2f1967211711
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    + haring222 got a reaction from claym in Chicago   
    In case you are looking at airbnb spaces I have a beautifully located (a 6 minute walk to the gay strip) space that is very escort friendly. Discount for forum folks who send me a note :-) I am going to be targeting the space for use by escorts.
    https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/49290332?guests=1&adults=1&s=67&unique_share_id=4c3f0f3a-c30e-4690-bd07-2f1967211711
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    + haring222 got a reaction from FunInTheSun in Chicago   
    In case you are looking at airbnb spaces I have a beautifully located (a 6 minute walk to the gay strip) space that is very escort friendly. Discount for forum folks who send me a note :-) I am going to be targeting the space for use by escorts.
    https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/49290332?guests=1&adults=1&s=67&unique_share_id=4c3f0f3a-c30e-4690-bd07-2f1967211711
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    + haring222 got a reaction from + azdr0710 in Chicago   
    In case you are looking at airbnb spaces I have a beautifully located (a 6 minute walk to the gay strip) space that is very escort friendly. Discount for forum folks who send me a note :-) I am going to be targeting the space for use by escorts.
    https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/49290332?guests=1&adults=1&s=67&unique_share_id=4c3f0f3a-c30e-4690-bd07-2f1967211711
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    + haring222 got a reaction from Ryan Roman in Airbnb aimed towards escorts / masseurs.   
    Alrighty, I took all of the feedback to heart and have procured an adjoining one bedroom flat to put up on Airbnb. It’s going to be a fully private listing and will come with a very study bed. I’m planning on also offering up the ability for it to include a massage table / massage supplies for traveling masseurs. It’s perfectly located at Racine and Addison in chicago and is also accessed from a ground level vestibule, eliminating chance encounters with other building residents in the stairs. Anyone on here want to market it for me to the escort / masseur community?
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    + haring222 got a reaction from BonVivant in From hire to permanent (but open) relationship   
    Reading that the fellow took off after 13.5 years and with you doing so very much for him is just so very weird. That is such a long time to be with a person, so to just pack up and go without a discussion blows my mind. I am so sorry to hear that. I was an escort in my early 20s and formed such close attachments to all of the guys I saw often (and recently going to a memorial service for one of them, which was so sad) that it blows my mind thinking about this. Even the clients that I decided to part ways with got a graciously done exit.
     
     

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    + haring222 got a reaction from Jarrod_Uncut in From hire to permanent (but open) relationship   
    Reading that the fellow took off after 13.5 years and with you doing so very much for him is just so very weird. That is such a long time to be with a person, so to just pack up and go without a discussion blows my mind. I am so sorry to hear that. I was an escort in my early 20s and formed such close attachments to all of the guys I saw often (and recently going to a memorial service for one of them, which was so sad) that it blows my mind thinking about this. Even the clients that I decided to part ways with got a graciously done exit.
     
     

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    + haring222 got a reaction from Ryan Roman in Airbnb aimed towards escorts / masseurs.   
    By the day, just like an airbnb, and possibly using the airbnb platform to handle the reservations. I would not want local guys to use it.
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    + haring222 got a reaction from Bargara Leatherboy in Airbnb aimed towards escorts / masseurs.   
    Hello fellows.
    Question.
     
    I was an old pro at the airbnb game (like, hosted three different listings for years and years in an awesome flat...heres an old ad https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1141045?s=67&unique_share_id=99104310-d8ba-4f68-a4fd-d667642c1e28 ) until late last year when I decided sort of abruptly to simplify life and move out of my mess. I was also as escort in the late 90s and early 2000s and find everything to do with escorts and the industry to be fascinating.
     
    I am returning to the gay neighborhood to an awesomely located apartment and I am debating putting the second bedroom on airbnb post pandemic and after my renovation wraps up. I will admit that my life has become a bit boring and I need some distractions.
     
    Here is the question...#1, if I fitted this out and offered up access to amenities that massage industry folks might appreciate (I could keep some bottles of massage stuff on hand along with a table and linens and structure the living room to work nicely for it to happen) do you think traveling guys might be interested. #2, would the fact that it is a shared space weird providers out (though I'd sort of be in the back of the flat and would not be present when they are entertaining and likely often be at my weekend house and invisible to their clients). #3, I could market it towards escorts and tacitly turn a blind eye to whatever they might do in their bedrooms and make sure to have a firm bed frame and extra sheets.
    TBH, I miss hosting but not the full time work involved and would love to get to meet industry guys and support their ability to bring joy to the world. I'm also a super big pervert in a harmless way, so this would all really be fun to be around. I had a couple of guys who rented my stand alone airbnb (Gabriel Cross was there several times) and it was totally fun to be industry adjacent.
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    + haring222 got a reaction from + FrankR in What are some ways to gain more regulars?   
    I'll toss in my two cents. For background, I was a relatively successful escort in the late 90s while in college (averaging 6.2 meetings per week at a minimum of $200 per, which was high back then) and now have my own business, where I am the fellow that often brings in the new business.
     
    If the problem is not enough inquiries to begin with, you need to change up the way you are marketing yourself. I did not look at your adverts, but things like new pictures or a different approach to your verbiage might be in order. A lot of clients do some research, so try to cross pollinate your approach...you should try to have a social media presence on twitter that makes you seem interesting and hints at your personality. Theres also the dynamic of bringing to the market something fresh or unique....if your market is lacking in some arena put on the persona that will fill it. Universally, presenting an up-beat attitude about how much you love what you do and how much goodness you bring to the table will get people interested.
     
    Not to come across as a judgement, it would be better if your communications on here really made you seem sincere and nice and were not at all polarizing. Right now they are going a little bit, well, not friendly and expressing whatever you feel to other members won't help you to snag new clients when they go poking around on here.
     
    If the problem is client retention, I had a method that worked beautifully and took just a bit of extra work. I kept copious notes about the interactions I had with potential clients before they booked me and made even more intense notes about the experience directly after the session. If they mentioned they were in town for a gasket convention, I'd put a note in my day-planner (this was the 90s) to follow up with the fellow about a month before the convention the following year. You'd be shocked at how well that worked and how regularly many people travel. Same with pilots...this was before texting, but I had 7 or 8 pilots that knew they could send me a day and a flight number and I'd keep an eye on the airline timetable and be discretely waiting int he hotel lobby when they got there....they did not even have to think about it. Every client got their own unique number so they would get linked back into my notes....and every single detail about what we talked about / did sexually / any personal info went into it along with the anything I could glean about them. How much they paid, if they tipped, preferred lube...I wrote it all down. If I wanted to pursue them, I'd try to find a way to weave my way back into their lives. This was also back in the days of the aol chatrooms, so it was relatively easy to see them online and send a DM about whatever...ie, 'it was so awesome to meet you last month. I can't stop thinking about using the purple dildo on you while you sang the national anthem; that was so incredibly hot'. If it was actually someone that I enjoyed meeting or within easy proximity I'd also give them a 10 or 20% discount, banking that the'd likely tip me and it would all even out.
     
    Over the 4 years I had maybe 1200 different clients and the notes I kept about them filled 6 moleskin notebooks and a couple of excel spreadsheets to be able to cross reference people. Even to this day I can flip into them and instantly know who almost all of these guys were, which is sort of fun. If my reaching out to them led to another session (or they reached back out to me at a later date) I could totally know exactly what they were looking for and it made the likelihood of them flaking drop to nearly zero....as they would be impressed that I could 'remember' all of these details and must have had such a personal connection.
     
    One of my best clients was this mildly creepy older fellow who I could tell was sad. I went to his single family house in a posh city neighborhood and managed to see a funeral card sitting out on his nightstand from (what I assumed was) his wife dying 10 months prior. I did my thing sexually but also rubbed his back and chatted a bit about how great his old stone house was....and noticed he had a bag of those nasty werthers originals on his hall table when I left. I sent him a follow up email the next day (you should always do that, and always mention something nice that you connected with (even if you have to make it up...and it can never ever seem like a form note) which did not get returned....I had a feeling that whatever we did was probably fun for the moment, but may have made him even more sad after. Five or six weeks later I dropped a bag of those candies into his mail slot with a totally non incriminating PG note from me that said I had taken one without asking and wanted to replenish his stockpile and reiterated how much I enjoyed our conversation and also sent a email letting him know there was a little something that I left, allowing my contact info to be fresh in his inbox.. I knew that that would probably hit him at a vulnerable time and it would get me a repeat visit, which it totally did.
     
    We never did talk about really anything at all in his personal life but he turned into an awesome 4 year client and it only ended when he finally decided to move away...and the last time I saw him he gave me this hand-knotted rug that I had complimented early on in knowing him, so he was obviously paying attention. I still keep it in my dressing room and think of him each time I go in there.
     
    I think I identified 7 or 8 people during my time that I wanted as long term people and managed to turn 4 of them into real money makers.
     
    I was also never a clock watcher, within reason, once you got me there you had me. My thought was that the actual time spent was a lot smaller than the time I spent in dealing with inquiries and travel time....so what's another 30 or 60 minutes if it leads to consistent work. I'd always sort of read the room, let the guy know that the sessions started when clothes came off, hang out and chat or whatever until they were comfy and really ready to go. And the post fucking cuddle time is super important to some folks, so just hanging out in bed after its all done can be a really pleasing memory for the fellow to have of you. I did have one fellow who I saw weekly that wanted to and was able to bottom for over an hour and seemed to have limitless stamina. It was impressive, as my penis is on the larger side. So I learned that at about the 50 minute mark I'd totally fake an orgasm (the entire pulsing dick / pretending that I just couldn't hold it back) and I'd sort of keep myself in him and pant for a minute....and follow up with 'Man, I can't believe you ass took me over the edge like that, lets get you off before my dick goes down' and he would happily beat himself off with no help from me. He never did seem to realize this was an act and told me on many occasions that I was the only guy who had ever satisfied him.
     
    The other key is marketing 101....one callback is great, but if you can get someone to see you for a third time, you're part of their 'routine' and it's almost a sure bet they will keep calling you....and the more that you can personalize your services the more likely it is it will lead to good things. That said, emotionally for an escort repeat clients can have their own issues. I had several that I just did not like and having sex with them was a completely not enjoyable experience.
     
    I keep thinking I should write some sort of escort advice blog or something. I really did approach is as a career when I did it. I was not by any means the hottest guy around or the best in bed, but my attention to detail and working out a good method to it all really helped me to find success.
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    + haring222 got a reaction from + MysticMenace in What are some ways to gain more regulars?   
    I'll toss in my two cents. For background, I was a relatively successful escort in the late 90s while in college (averaging 6.2 meetings per week at a minimum of $200 per, which was high back then) and now have my own business, where I am the fellow that often brings in the new business.
     
    If the problem is not enough inquiries to begin with, you need to change up the way you are marketing yourself. I did not look at your adverts, but things like new pictures or a different approach to your verbiage might be in order. A lot of clients do some research, so try to cross pollinate your approach...you should try to have a social media presence on twitter that makes you seem interesting and hints at your personality. Theres also the dynamic of bringing to the market something fresh or unique....if your market is lacking in some arena put on the persona that will fill it. Universally, presenting an up-beat attitude about how much you love what you do and how much goodness you bring to the table will get people interested.
     
    Not to come across as a judgement, it would be better if your communications on here really made you seem sincere and nice and were not at all polarizing. Right now they are going a little bit, well, not friendly and expressing whatever you feel to other members won't help you to snag new clients when they go poking around on here.
     
    If the problem is client retention, I had a method that worked beautifully and took just a bit of extra work. I kept copious notes about the interactions I had with potential clients before they booked me and made even more intense notes about the experience directly after the session. If they mentioned they were in town for a gasket convention, I'd put a note in my day-planner (this was the 90s) to follow up with the fellow about a month before the convention the following year. You'd be shocked at how well that worked and how regularly many people travel. Same with pilots...this was before texting, but I had 7 or 8 pilots that knew they could send me a day and a flight number and I'd keep an eye on the airline timetable and be discretely waiting int he hotel lobby when they got there....they did not even have to think about it. Every client got their own unique number so they would get linked back into my notes....and every single detail about what we talked about / did sexually / any personal info went into it along with the anything I could glean about them. How much they paid, if they tipped, preferred lube...I wrote it all down. If I wanted to pursue them, I'd try to find a way to weave my way back into their lives. This was also back in the days of the aol chatrooms, so it was relatively easy to see them online and send a DM about whatever...ie, 'it was so awesome to meet you last month. I can't stop thinking about using the purple dildo on you while you sang the national anthem; that was so incredibly hot'. If it was actually someone that I enjoyed meeting or within easy proximity I'd also give them a 10 or 20% discount, banking that the'd likely tip me and it would all even out.
     
    Over the 4 years I had maybe 1200 different clients and the notes I kept about them filled 6 moleskin notebooks and a couple of excel spreadsheets to be able to cross reference people. Even to this day I can flip into them and instantly know who almost all of these guys were, which is sort of fun. If my reaching out to them led to another session (or they reached back out to me at a later date) I could totally know exactly what they were looking for and it made the likelihood of them flaking drop to nearly zero....as they would be impressed that I could 'remember' all of these details and must have had such a personal connection.
     
    One of my best clients was this mildly creepy older fellow who I could tell was sad. I went to his single family house in a posh city neighborhood and managed to see a funeral card sitting out on his nightstand from (what I assumed was) his wife dying 10 months prior. I did my thing sexually but also rubbed his back and chatted a bit about how great his old stone house was....and noticed he had a bag of those nasty werthers originals on his hall table when I left. I sent him a follow up email the next day (you should always do that, and always mention something nice that you connected with (even if you have to make it up...and it can never ever seem like a form note) which did not get returned....I had a feeling that whatever we did was probably fun for the moment, but may have made him even more sad after. Five or six weeks later I dropped a bag of those candies into his mail slot with a totally non incriminating PG note from me that said I had taken one without asking and wanted to replenish his stockpile and reiterated how much I enjoyed our conversation and also sent a email letting him know there was a little something that I left, allowing my contact info to be fresh in his inbox.. I knew that that would probably hit him at a vulnerable time and it would get me a repeat visit, which it totally did.
     
    We never did talk about really anything at all in his personal life but he turned into an awesome 4 year client and it only ended when he finally decided to move away...and the last time I saw him he gave me this hand-knotted rug that I had complimented early on in knowing him, so he was obviously paying attention. I still keep it in my dressing room and think of him each time I go in there.
     
    I think I identified 7 or 8 people during my time that I wanted as long term people and managed to turn 4 of them into real money makers.
     
    I was also never a clock watcher, within reason, once you got me there you had me. My thought was that the actual time spent was a lot smaller than the time I spent in dealing with inquiries and travel time....so what's another 30 or 60 minutes if it leads to consistent work. I'd always sort of read the room, let the guy know that the sessions started when clothes came off, hang out and chat or whatever until they were comfy and really ready to go. And the post fucking cuddle time is super important to some folks, so just hanging out in bed after its all done can be a really pleasing memory for the fellow to have of you. I did have one fellow who I saw weekly that wanted to and was able to bottom for over an hour and seemed to have limitless stamina. It was impressive, as my penis is on the larger side. So I learned that at about the 50 minute mark I'd totally fake an orgasm (the entire pulsing dick / pretending that I just couldn't hold it back) and I'd sort of keep myself in him and pant for a minute....and follow up with 'Man, I can't believe you ass took me over the edge like that, lets get you off before my dick goes down' and he would happily beat himself off with no help from me. He never did seem to realize this was an act and told me on many occasions that I was the only guy who had ever satisfied him.
     
    The other key is marketing 101....one callback is great, but if you can get someone to see you for a third time, you're part of their 'routine' and it's almost a sure bet they will keep calling you....and the more that you can personalize your services the more likely it is it will lead to good things. That said, emotionally for an escort repeat clients can have their own issues. I had several that I just did not like and having sex with them was a completely not enjoyable experience.
     
    I keep thinking I should write some sort of escort advice blog or something. I really did approach is as a career when I did it. I was not by any means the hottest guy around or the best in bed, but my attention to detail and working out a good method to it all really helped me to find success.
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    + haring222 got a reaction from Luv2play in Airbnb aimed towards escorts / masseurs.   
    Hello fellows.
    Question.
     
    I was an old pro at the airbnb game (like, hosted three different listings for years and years in an awesome flat...heres an old ad https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1141045?s=67&unique_share_id=99104310-d8ba-4f68-a4fd-d667642c1e28 ) until late last year when I decided sort of abruptly to simplify life and move out of my mess. I was also as escort in the late 90s and early 2000s and find everything to do with escorts and the industry to be fascinating.
     
    I am returning to the gay neighborhood to an awesomely located apartment and I am debating putting the second bedroom on airbnb post pandemic and after my renovation wraps up. I will admit that my life has become a bit boring and I need some distractions.
     
    Here is the question...#1, if I fitted this out and offered up access to amenities that massage industry folks might appreciate (I could keep some bottles of massage stuff on hand along with a table and linens and structure the living room to work nicely for it to happen) do you think traveling guys might be interested. #2, would the fact that it is a shared space weird providers out (though I'd sort of be in the back of the flat and would not be present when they are entertaining and likely often be at my weekend house and invisible to their clients). #3, I could market it towards escorts and tacitly turn a blind eye to whatever they might do in their bedrooms and make sure to have a firm bed frame and extra sheets.
    TBH, I miss hosting but not the full time work involved and would love to get to meet industry guys and support their ability to bring joy to the world. I'm also a super big pervert in a harmless way, so this would all really be fun to be around. I had a couple of guys who rented my stand alone airbnb (Gabriel Cross was there several times) and it was totally fun to be industry adjacent.
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    + haring222 got a reaction from + Pensant in What are some ways to gain more regulars?   
    I'll toss in my two cents. For background, I was a relatively successful escort in the late 90s while in college (averaging 6.2 meetings per week at a minimum of $200 per, which was high back then) and now have my own business, where I am the fellow that often brings in the new business.
     
    If the problem is not enough inquiries to begin with, you need to change up the way you are marketing yourself. I did not look at your adverts, but things like new pictures or a different approach to your verbiage might be in order. A lot of clients do some research, so try to cross pollinate your approach...you should try to have a social media presence on twitter that makes you seem interesting and hints at your personality. Theres also the dynamic of bringing to the market something fresh or unique....if your market is lacking in some arena put on the persona that will fill it. Universally, presenting an up-beat attitude about how much you love what you do and how much goodness you bring to the table will get people interested.
     
    Not to come across as a judgement, it would be better if your communications on here really made you seem sincere and nice and were not at all polarizing. Right now they are going a little bit, well, not friendly and expressing whatever you feel to other members won't help you to snag new clients when they go poking around on here.
     
    If the problem is client retention, I had a method that worked beautifully and took just a bit of extra work. I kept copious notes about the interactions I had with potential clients before they booked me and made even more intense notes about the experience directly after the session. If they mentioned they were in town for a gasket convention, I'd put a note in my day-planner (this was the 90s) to follow up with the fellow about a month before the convention the following year. You'd be shocked at how well that worked and how regularly many people travel. Same with pilots...this was before texting, but I had 7 or 8 pilots that knew they could send me a day and a flight number and I'd keep an eye on the airline timetable and be discretely waiting int he hotel lobby when they got there....they did not even have to think about it. Every client got their own unique number so they would get linked back into my notes....and every single detail about what we talked about / did sexually / any personal info went into it along with the anything I could glean about them. How much they paid, if they tipped, preferred lube...I wrote it all down. If I wanted to pursue them, I'd try to find a way to weave my way back into their lives. This was also back in the days of the aol chatrooms, so it was relatively easy to see them online and send a DM about whatever...ie, 'it was so awesome to meet you last month. I can't stop thinking about using the purple dildo on you while you sang the national anthem; that was so incredibly hot'. If it was actually someone that I enjoyed meeting or within easy proximity I'd also give them a 10 or 20% discount, banking that the'd likely tip me and it would all even out.
     
    Over the 4 years I had maybe 1200 different clients and the notes I kept about them filled 6 moleskin notebooks and a couple of excel spreadsheets to be able to cross reference people. Even to this day I can flip into them and instantly know who almost all of these guys were, which is sort of fun. If my reaching out to them led to another session (or they reached back out to me at a later date) I could totally know exactly what they were looking for and it made the likelihood of them flaking drop to nearly zero....as they would be impressed that I could 'remember' all of these details and must have had such a personal connection.
     
    One of my best clients was this mildly creepy older fellow who I could tell was sad. I went to his single family house in a posh city neighborhood and managed to see a funeral card sitting out on his nightstand from (what I assumed was) his wife dying 10 months prior. I did my thing sexually but also rubbed his back and chatted a bit about how great his old stone house was....and noticed he had a bag of those nasty werthers originals on his hall table when I left. I sent him a follow up email the next day (you should always do that, and always mention something nice that you connected with (even if you have to make it up...and it can never ever seem like a form note) which did not get returned....I had a feeling that whatever we did was probably fun for the moment, but may have made him even more sad after. Five or six weeks later I dropped a bag of those candies into his mail slot with a totally non incriminating PG note from me that said I had taken one without asking and wanted to replenish his stockpile and reiterated how much I enjoyed our conversation and also sent a email letting him know there was a little something that I left, allowing my contact info to be fresh in his inbox.. I knew that that would probably hit him at a vulnerable time and it would get me a repeat visit, which it totally did.
     
    We never did talk about really anything at all in his personal life but he turned into an awesome 4 year client and it only ended when he finally decided to move away...and the last time I saw him he gave me this hand-knotted rug that I had complimented early on in knowing him, so he was obviously paying attention. I still keep it in my dressing room and think of him each time I go in there.
     
    I think I identified 7 or 8 people during my time that I wanted as long term people and managed to turn 4 of them into real money makers.
     
    I was also never a clock watcher, within reason, once you got me there you had me. My thought was that the actual time spent was a lot smaller than the time I spent in dealing with inquiries and travel time....so what's another 30 or 60 minutes if it leads to consistent work. I'd always sort of read the room, let the guy know that the sessions started when clothes came off, hang out and chat or whatever until they were comfy and really ready to go. And the post fucking cuddle time is super important to some folks, so just hanging out in bed after its all done can be a really pleasing memory for the fellow to have of you. I did have one fellow who I saw weekly that wanted to and was able to bottom for over an hour and seemed to have limitless stamina. It was impressive, as my penis is on the larger side. So I learned that at about the 50 minute mark I'd totally fake an orgasm (the entire pulsing dick / pretending that I just couldn't hold it back) and I'd sort of keep myself in him and pant for a minute....and follow up with 'Man, I can't believe you ass took me over the edge like that, lets get you off before my dick goes down' and he would happily beat himself off with no help from me. He never did seem to realize this was an act and told me on many occasions that I was the only guy who had ever satisfied him.
     
    The other key is marketing 101....one callback is great, but if you can get someone to see you for a third time, you're part of their 'routine' and it's almost a sure bet they will keep calling you....and the more that you can personalize your services the more likely it is it will lead to good things. That said, emotionally for an escort repeat clients can have their own issues. I had several that I just did not like and having sex with them was a completely not enjoyable experience.
     
    I keep thinking I should write some sort of escort advice blog or something. I really did approach is as a career when I did it. I was not by any means the hottest guy around or the best in bed, but my attention to detail and working out a good method to it all really helped me to find success.
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