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When I was in college I knew a straight woman who loved watching gay porn, so I assume there are some women who simply like watching. Later in life I knew a gay guy who loved to call phone sex lines, use a female name, and talk in an altered voice to chat with men and lead them down a path of torturing "her" during sex. I don't know what he got out of that sexually or psychologically, but I know one thing it gave him: vocal chord problems that ended up costing him a radio job because management was unhappy that his voice was cracking so much on the air.

I've never been offered money in such a random way, but a few times I did have men pull their cars over and invite me to get in. Uh, no thanks. I know that some people would take that risk in the chance the payoff will be great, but my first thought has always been that I certainly am not getting into a motor vehicle with someone with whom I've had no previous interaction.

I don't know what your posted reply to Jamie21 means, then, when you wrote: "You're gonna consistently be disappointed if your expectations are so far outside the norm. "Sensual" massage is about touching YOU, not interactive touching." Sounds like you were replying to him as if he was a client, not a provider, especially the part about "sensual massage is about touching YOU," unless you actually intended to write that sensual massage is about the client touching the masseur and not vice-versa. That surely would be outside of the norm; however, one time I did have a masseur who offered to let me massage him for a bit because he said some likes like to be able to touch him all over, not just the parts that are reachable when lying on a massage table.

That's the way I've always approached hiring an erotic masseur. I have no expectations beyond manual release (and that's only if I can manage to get excited quickly enough, which doesn't always happen). Anything more is a bonus.

I'm a bit confused by your responses to Jamie21. You do realize he is a provider, not a client, right? He is saying what he provides, not what he expects. I agree with him that he is perhaps over-delivering if by "interact with me as much or as little as you like" he means the client can expect full service at a lower-than-full-escort rate. Not that I mind that as a client and some masseurs I've hired have had sex with me (at their initiation, not mine) when I contacted them for erotic massages. I certainly don't expect anything other than mutual masturbation and all over touching when hiring an erotic masseur, though.

Two of my favorites: The Flame in Ann Arbor. I used to go there regularly in the early 1980s. To some it might have just seemed like a dive, but my experience was this: A good jukebox with both some modern hits and older records like Girl From Ipanema and Theme From New York, New York. Friendly bartenders. Diverse crowd in terms of age and gender, though mostly men. Friendly if you wanted it to be but cruisy if you were looking for that. I still remember my last year living there: There was a hunky guy who always walked from his car to the bar (only about a minute walk) with no coat, even in the middle of winter. It would be 10 degrees outside and he'd saunter in wearing a tight white t-shirt and jeans. He was sexy and he knew it. Hole In The Wall in San Francisco's SOMA neighborhood, before they moved to their current location (assuming it's reopened). The old location was long and narrow, making it possible to get a little action going on in the back and not be immediately visible to people walking in from the street. It helped that they always kept the space very hot, encouraging everyone to take off their shirts. I certainly didn't have a lean gym body but felt comfortable shirtless there because it was mostly populated by average guys. The music was generally not what I'd listen to on my own but the DJs did a good job of selecting stuff that just created a somewhat dark, sexy vibe. Beyond that, I just don't think I've ever seen a bar where the lighting and decor was so cool that I could sit there by myself for a long time and just enjoy looking around. I've certainly enjoyed some other bars, but those two stand out as favorites.

Yes, Rhyheim seems to be another smart one when it comes to using the Fans platforms. I just don't understand why some of these guys don't understand that they would be more successful charging less and providing quality content versus having fans who pay to access their pages but end up with minimal content with the expectation that those fans will keep paying extra for what they really want to see. If anything, there are a lot of guys who will just scour the internet for free porn so it makes sense that if you want to collect money for your porn versus people watching it for free elsewhere then provide a good reason for people to pay a nominal amount.

Looking at JFF this morning where I currently only have one subscription (Manuel Skye) made me think about how different providers approach this business differently. I have to say Manuel is one smart cookie: He breaks down most scenes into 3 or 4 parts which he posts over a period of a few weeks, so if someone's subscription is about to lapse he might extend it just to see the concluding part of a scene. While this might sound bad (and I would honestly just prefer to have an entire scene posted as one clip), I don't think it's a bad business practice as long as there is other content being posted at the same time. I've noticed that Manuel usually has 2 or 3 scenes going at a time, so while he posts part 2 of 3 of one scene he's posting the first part of another and the last part of something else. He also posts a lot of solo material and "flashback" scenes. He posts some teasers of videos available as PPV in direct messaging, but unlike some guys it isn't like he refuses to post full scenes without getting paid more than the standard subscription fee. I don't know how his page is working out for him financially, but from the outside I would say that he seems to have put thought into how to maximize his income from this by keeping fans happy but also keeping them wanting more. I'll contrast this with a couple of other guys whom I won't name who posted almost no content other than still photos and very brief solo scenes. They'd tease that they would soon be posting a hot scene and/or ask what the fans wanted to see, but then they would fail to deliver. It's amazing to me that a provider doesn't understand that they won't retain any subscribers if they aren't posting anything of value. One of these guys even had the gall to increase his subscription rate from $10 to $14.95 per month because, he said, he needed more money to create content. He really had that backwards -- he needed to create and post more content so $10 per month seemed worth it, and then maybe he could have increased his price and retained satisfied customers at a higher revenue point.

I think the only clear misrepresentations occur when a masseur advertises an erotic massage and then remains fully clothed and doesn't do anything outside of what a therapeutic masseur would do. Beyond that, if you want to know what an erotic massage from a specific provider is going to entail then ask. As others have written, however, consider it a bonus if a masseur wants to have sex with you beyond giving you a happy ending with his hand. Hire an escort at escort rates if you want more.

A funny clip showing how far an undercover cop posing as a prostitute will go to make a bust, from one of my favorite South Park episodes Butters' Bottom Bitch.

I've never liked Pepsi (regular or diet) precisely because it doesn't have that edge/bitterness/whatever that Coke has. Coke is sweet but it has that bite that makes it more enjoyable. Fortunately Safeway's house brand cola has a taste profile more like Coke, so I can buy their version to save money. If Coca Cola has reformulated Coke Zero to taste more like Pepsi that is, indeed, unfortunate. Truth be told that I seldom drink colas any more anyway since it's harder to find caffeine free versions and I'm trying to limit my caffeine.

Most people wouldn't, but if you hire escorts and/or peruse sites like Rentmen to look at escort ads then you might recognize someone in the gym as the guy who has an escort ad online. That's obviously why some men choose to not have their faces in their ads (or at least have it only visible for those who have access to their "private" photos). After I posted my other reply, I noticed the other recent thread about how/whether to acknowledge an escort you've hired when you see him out in public somewhere. The majority opinion seems to be that people value privacy above all else and consider it improper for a client to approach or greet an escort in public and vice-versa. Given that it seems like most would view it as a faux pas to approach someone in public for the purpose of soliciting him.

I'm still skeptical, but I have no skin in this game since Rainer doesn't live near me. I just considered it a public service to point out to other forum members who might be considering contacting Rainer the coincidence of two new members joining at the same time (according to the site, literally within the same hour), both having hired Rainer previously and both motivated to find a thread about him so they could post their very similar negative views. Maybe that is all just coincidental but it surely set off my BS meter.

I've noticed that even if one sorts by distance, premium levels of membership show up first in order of distance, and then the providers with basic membership show up sorted by distance.

Interesting that both Palmsun and NVX7 joined this forum yesterday and both have already hired Rainer and made it a point to post similar negative perceptions about him. I smell something fishy, and it isn't Rainer. 😄

Because he's willing to bottom on film with people he wants to have sex with but he doesn't want to bottom with guys he wouldn't have sex with if not for the money? Because he's willing to bottom bareback on film with other people who've taken rapid HIV tests that day but doesn't want to create an expectation that someone can hire him and fuck him raw, just because he does that on film? Because he's willing to go through the effort to prep to bottom for a scene which pays more than what a single-hour encounter will pay, but he's not willing to prep to bottom for men who contact him for an hour-long appointment via Rentmen? I'm just speculating as I don't know this guy, but the above are obvious possibilities to me. For him, maybe other things factor into that decision.

I'm not a provider, but I'm confused by your inquiry since I assume that anyone who is already a provider would much prefer to be approached via the methods listed in their ads (text, email, call) than someone approaching them in a public setting. If what you are hoping to accomplish is to interact with them in person at the gym to decide if you want to hire them, I think a text makes sense. You can write something basic like, "I've seen your rentmen ad and notice you're at the gym right now. I'm the guy in the red shorts and white tank top on a treadmill. If you can spare the time, come chat with me about a scheduling a meeting." If the guy doesn't want to chat about his business in the gym, he can either ignore you or reply by text telling you that you can call him later if you want. If you're talking about just approaching a random hot guy at the gym and using a "line" to solicit him, good luck with that. I'm sure some guys do that and maybe some forum members can chime in if they've successfully done this. Any provider answering, however, isn't likely to help you with approaching someone who isn't a provider since someone already working as an escort might be annoyed to be interrupted, but he's not going to react negatively to being perceived as an escort. A random hot guy might take offense at the suggestion that he's willing to provide companionship for money. I've even had masseurs who got a bit offended when I asked if they were available for something more than erotic massage for a higher rate.

It is certainly acceptable for providers (both escorts and masseurs) to chime in here, as long as you aren't sharing personally identifying information that isn't already publicly available.

He's been discussed here favorably in the past, though it's obvious that a lot of his photos are old since he's been using them for many, many years. I think the last time he was discussed, someone mentioned that photo #10 in his Rentmen ad was an accurate representative of his then current look.

Did you follow through with an appointment? I just noticed he's visiting San Francisco soon and his public photos sure are appealing.

Better late than never!

I'm confused. You were going out to a nightclub with lots of gay men 30 years or so ago but didn't have sex with any of them?

The past year and a half has been challenging for most people. The way I've handled my frustrations is to be thankful that I (a) didn't lose my job so I've had no income/housing insecurity and (b) did not get ill or, worse yet, die. I find it helps to put things in perspective. Glass half full versus glass half empty, as it were.

I don't mind entering a building with a concierge as long as I don't have to check in with them to say where I am going. So far I have never visited an escort where that was required. Most people who live in larger buildings just have intercom systems where they can buzz you in and then you are on your own to take the elevator/stairs to their unit. As for roommates, I don't mind if someone has one but if he's home during appointments then hopefully he can be in another room with the door closed and not be making enough noise that his presence is obvious.

I don't care about clutter, but I do care about cleanliness. I'm not talking about needing to pass a white glove test, but if the sheets are obviously dirty or if the bathroom clearly needs to be cleaned it's a major turn off. The other thing that's important to me is discretion. I'm not happy when I'm obviously seeing the previous client leave as I arrive or if I see someone arrive as I depart. I'm not thrilled if I walk through/by a room with someone else in it.