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The curves in the door frame match the curves in his ass. They were both affected by the manipulation of the photo.

The hustlers in days of yore could be found in the evenings during the good weather in the small park behind the Bourbon Complex on Ste Catherine. There were many regulars and some were a lot of fun. You could feel safe taking them home. I never picked up one on StevCatherine St itself as many were junkies just looking for a quick fix. The Bourbon complex is gone and being redeveloped as a condo. Haven’t tried that park in ages.

Having been a lap-dance client for decades, I find you arguments somewhat disingenuous. The first time I entered a strip club, I made myself familiar with the rules and the fees as anyone would in a new environment. After all, money in considerable amounts is involved. Even if the rates aren't posted in the club, you merely have to ask a dancer what they are. It is inconceivable that a dancer would say or imply $15 for as long as it takes you to get off. The obligation is on the client to clarify what the fees are. This might be difficult if you are a newbie and the the dancer excites you. I have never heard of a dancer saying the lap-dance is $15 or whatever, no matter how long it lasts. These are dances set to music after all, just like in high school. After dancing with a girl in high school, when the music ended, she was free or yourself, to express thanks for the dance and move on. It's the same in a stripper bar. All your examples of set fees for haircuts or massage, etc are irrelevant. Absolute red herrings. And I have never been in a club where they play 10 minute songs. The dancers would object! Usually 2 and a half to 3 and a half minutes, like most pop tunes.. Talking after the dance ends, is another issue. If he continues to sit on your lap, you are on the clock. To make clear that the clock has been turned off, you as the client, must make moves to get out of the booth. That allows the dancer to put his clothes back on and physical contact is ended. The two o you can continue talking as this is going on but the dancer knows that the clock is off and will usually be in a hurry to get out and see if he can find other clients. I'm sorry your friend had a bad experience but it sounds to me like his expectations were unrealistic.

We seem to be on the same page. With a dancer I already know I will indicate that 5 songs or $100 is in the cards. We both know what to expect. With those I have not been with previously but think he will be good, after some conversation with me asking questions and not just him (dancers who have not met you previously will always have their stock questions to pepper you with), I will use the strategy outlined by me above. It's sort of a probation proposal, meaning you, the dancer, are on probation during the first dance. If you excel, there will be more songs and more $$.

Sometimes I will say to a new dancer I haven’t met before is that I will do one dance and then depending on how it goes we can decide if I want to continue. I find that that usually guarantees at least one good dance. Things tend to move along pretty quickly in getting the dancers clothes off at least.

In all the dancer bars I’ve been in in Canada and the US, there is an ATM where one can get cash. You usually have to pay a service fee of a couple of dollars to get your money but if you find yourself short for any reason, at least you can pay for whatever service you enjoyed. Stiffing a dancer because you misunderstood the rules or didn’t count the number of songs properly is no excuse imo.

It sounds like your friend was pretty naive. I can see why the dancer was pissed off.

As a footnote on Ms. Tennant, she was the granddaughter of the 11th Duke of Devonshire and her grandmother was the youngest of the famous Mitford sisters, one of whom went to jail during WWII as a Nazi sympathizer and another being a famous author. The heir apparent to the 10th Duke of Devonshire, the Marquess of Harrington, was married to Kathleen Kennedy, the sister of President Kennedy. He was killed in the war before he could assume the title of Duke. She died in a plane crash in 1948. Tennant was a direct descendant of Bess of Hardwick, the one time richest woman in Britain, and builder of the opulent Elizabethan Hardwick Manor. In a curious way, Tennant was not a rags to riches story, but rather a riches to rags story.

The Globe & Mail, Canada’s equivalent of the NYTimes, printed an obituary today, beside one of Stella Tennant, the British aristocrat who became a world leading model, of Michael Alig. The page on which it is printed is reserved for world celebrities. Alig’s obit said he was known in New York nightlife circles as a creative, canny promoter and as a pioneer of visual spectacle long before he became infamous. Ms. Tennant died recently at the age of 50 and cause of death has not been revealed, just that it was not considered suspicious. The juxtaposition of two obituaries such as these was no accident in my view. The contrast and similarities between their more or less contemporaneous lives is striking. Her glam and glitz was displayed on the fashion runways of designers like Yves St. Laurent and the covers of Vogue. His was on display in the world famous nightclubs like Limelight, where the six foot model would have fit right in in one of her male tuxedo outfits.

I agree that if things work out that way, at least initially when reopening happens, I would not be interested in going into the clubs. At least with escort encounters, it’s only one person you are interacting with although they in turn are meeting others too. Still, if they are taking precautions generally in their daily life, th3 odds are better in terms of not exposing oneself to too many people.

That's a pretty good summary. It would convince me. Unfortunately he's not in my neck of the woods.

This is good advice. If you choose to make a reply on RM it is always best to take the high road. Potential clients will see it as a classy respectful move. You can still leave the message that the review is bogus, using nice words.

That makes sense. I can see how salop drifted into slut by the French Creole speakers. I used to talk with the Haitians who worked as checkout clerks in Miami supermarkets and as I speak French I could understand about half of what they were saying, so I got the drift. I expect they understood me completely as French is spoken in Haiti by everyone and the better educated speak a nice French. I once hooked up with a nice Haitian who was living in Montreal some 30 years ago. He was divine but not a slut. I was the slut. LOL

The news here in Canada's largest province is not great either. Yesterday was the largest number of new cases since the pandemic started at about 3000. The vaccination rollout is anything but smooth and only a tiny number of people have been vaccinated. More people are getting sick on a daily basis than are been vaccinated so we are so far losing the race against the virus. Israel seems to be doing a much better job. With a population much less than Ontario, they have vaccinated over a quarter million people by Dec 27 to our 13,000, both having started around the same time. It really sucks.

In two cases my reviews of providers were removed, one at my instigation and the other at the provider's. In both cases my reviews were only qualified by observations I made that reflected some shortcomings and were otherwise positive about what I found enjoyable. The two providers only wanted 5 star unqualified stellar reviews.

I saw that bad review and even though I don’t know you I know of your reputation and participation on this forum. I immediately thought it was a bogus review. You have many fine reviews that back that up. Good luck in getting it removed but RM’s policies and practices sometimes lead to frustrating results.

He certainly goes to the gym a lot.

That’s sad news about Jessie. I contacted him about a year and a half ago to see if he ever travelled but he told me not at that time. He’s done some hot videos with a couple of escorts I have been with and he seemed as hot as they were. I hope his cancer goes into remission.

In Europe the French speaking gays use the term “salop”.

About 30 years ago I had a regular provider for the better part of a year with whom I was very happy. He was tall, blond, muscular and was a university student, almost finishing his studies. I can’t remember how I met him but we just clicked. I don’t even know how many clients he had but I think he just had mostly regulars like myself. He wasn’t inexpensive, in fact we started at $150 per hour and after several months he dropped it to $100, at his initiative. Well, after he graduated he met a young doctor, who happened to be my family doctor. He was gay and had a large gay practice. My provider dropped me as a client and I suppose his other clients too but I never knew any of his other clients. Some time later, I went to Gay Pride in Montreal and who should come out of a building on the Main Street in the Gay Village, just as I was walking by, was this couple. The doctor turned around to say hi to me and his new boyfriend, standing behind him, signalled me with his index finger pressed to his lips. So when the doctor turned around to introduce me to his new beaux, I played along and feigned ignorance of who he was. I remained on friendly terms with both and never revealed my relationship with the escort.

Having watched the entire 2 hour plus doc on him, I beg to differ. As pointed out in the film, before the age of the Internet and cell-phones, Alig would mimeograph 10000 flyers for a party event and see that they got distributed to those who would attend. He wasn’t a parasite but rather the organizer and promoter of huge events. He was appreciated by the owners of the big clubs so much so that he was given the operation of one of them, (Tunnel, I believe) which was hugely successful. He worked hard to achieve this outcome. He attended meetings with owners and promoters on a regular basis. He was creative and had ideas to contribute to the success of these 5 clubs. All of this is shown in the documentary, which was a very professional production. One can live during an era and think they know what is going on behind the scenes but it takes a retrospective with dozens of people who were there to comment from their perspectives. The film maker then puts together a story which has some semblance to the truth. I think this doc put out a pretty convincing story. But that’s just me.

Did Leigh Bowery have a Hollywood film made about him? With a household name portraying him. Frankly, it may be too soon to assess Alig’s importance in pop culture and whether he will be seen in the same light 25 years from now. All artists are influenced to some degree by those who preceded them, even if only in reaction to them. History will finally judge whether they are seminal creators or not.

Now that I’m old and basically don’t give AF, I would have no problem stopping to talk, even if I had someone else with me. I meet lots of people of all ages so I could always play it naturally. There was a time, however, before I started hiring, when I had to keep my private life and public life separate. Once I was with my boss in a limo going to a hotel luncheon affair and we were sitting in lunch time traffic. I was briefing him on the business we were to conduct with a briefing book in my lap. Suddenly from my left field of vision I saw the cute trick I had picked up the previous evening and taken home. He was about 23, Italian and cute as hell. He also liked to get fisted, which I obliged him, along with topping him even though I am usually the bottom. Anyway, it was summer, and this free spirit walked in front of our car and glanced through the windshield as he crossed the street. I quickly raised the book in front of my face as if to examine some detail so that he would not see me and wave. What spurred me was his outfit. It was a hot summer day and he had on this tiny tank top stretched over his gorgeous torso, a ring in one ear and nifty cutoffs. The moment passed quickly and I breathed a sigh of relief. I would have had a hard time explaining him to my boss.

I always thought the Like was for appreciating the content of the post, not the poster himself.

I only read this thread today and probably about 80 percent of the posts. Enough to get the drift of the incident and the reactions of others. The one cardinal thing to keep in mind at all times in hiring is that after all is said and done, the fees are based on the time spent with the escort. Some escorts even emphasize we are only paying them for their time and that whatever happens during that time is between two consenting adults. The other thing I always do whether at home or when travelling is to have a few hundred extra so that if things go overtime, which can happen if I am having a good time, then there is no issue about how to pay the fee. The last thing I want to do is get out of bed and go looking for an ATM in the middle of the night.