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I used to be pretty clear on this topic, thinking it’s just part of gay male neurosis because of how we learn about loving with our sexuality. As young boys we hide our feelings and don’t have healthy models of his to love people to whom we are attracted. So our “crushes” are hit or miss - falling for unavailable guys, “straight” guys, or o sensing over other gay guys who have made clear they are not attracted to us in the same way that we are attracted to them. 
However, I’ve come to the realization that straight men, those who “identify” and those are actually straight, are just people who, like us before, do not have words to explain what they are going through, models to follow, or clear ways to express their own attraction. Currently, a straight man who I am in love with but I know I can’t be with loves me incredibly deeply. He is not sexually attracted to me but he is emotionally attracted to me. We are very close friends and he likes to see me be pleasured by being with him, even though he does not get sexually aroused by my arousal. However, he loves to “perform” sexually with me because he knows how much I love him and he wants me to be happy and to enjoy myself by enjoying him. (No, he does not receive money from me nor do I pay his bills or anything of that nature.  We met at a gay club where he was a dancer. But we’ve known each other for six years and we’ve grown to be friends.) 
So I don’t have the answer to it all. I just am coming to a deeper understanding that people are people. And just like I don’t want to be categorized and put into a box, I don’t need to do that to anyone else either. So, if we truly want to allow love to win, I think we need to let each person “love” how they love.  
 
 

Of this era I don’t have many stories.  I was young and just starting out with these kinds of shenanigans. But probably the only famous ones started in the 90’s. Marco Rossi and Jon Vincent come to mind…

I know Johnson’s is the best spot for muscle but I’m looking for some other opinions on where else to go. I’ve had great luck at Boardwalk and there was some promising talent at LeBoy last year around this time of year.  But I miss the “raunchy” side of the strip clubs in FTL and while Johnson’s has the muscle, they also have the lights and the crowd. Matt runs a great club and I enjoy myself there but it’s a tad “sterile” in the bar. 
 
Thoughts from the peanut gallery on where else has some muscle fun to play? I could just “order in” but that just gets so pricy!!!

I used to be pretty clear on this topic, thinking it’s just part of gay male neurosis because of how we learn about loving with our sexuality. As young boys we hide our feelings and don’t have healthy models of his to love people to whom we are attracted. So our “crushes” are hit or miss - falling for unavailable guys, “straight” guys, or o sensing over other gay guys who have made clear they are not attracted to us in the same way that we are attracted to them. 
However, I’ve come to the realization that straight men, those who “identify” and those are actually straight, are just people who, like us before, do not have words to explain what they are going through, models to follow, or clear ways to express their own attraction. Currently, a straight man who I am in love with but I know I can’t be with loves me incredibly deeply. He is not sexually attracted to me but he is emotionally attracted to me. We are very close friends and he likes to see me be pleasured by being with him, even though he does not get sexually aroused by my arousal. However, he loves to “perform” sexually with me because he knows how much I love him and he wants me to be happy and to enjoy myself by enjoying him. (No, he does not receive money from me nor do I pay his bills or anything of that nature.  We met at a gay club where he was a dancer. But we’ve known each other for six years and we’ve grown to be friends.) 
So I don’t have the answer to it all. I just am coming to a deeper understanding that people are people. And just like I don’t want to be categorized and put into a box, I don’t need to do that to anyone else either. So, if we truly want to allow love to win, I think we need to let each person “love” how they love.  
 
 

I used to be pretty clear on this topic, thinking it’s just part of gay male neurosis because of how we learn about loving with our sexuality. As young boys we hide our feelings and don’t have healthy models of his to love people to whom we are attracted. So our “crushes” are hit or miss - falling for unavailable guys, “straight” guys, or o sensing over other gay guys who have made clear they are not attracted to us in the same way that we are attracted to them. 
However, I’ve come to the realization that straight men, those who “identify” and those are actually straight, are just people who, like us before, do not have words to explain what they are going through, models to follow, or clear ways to express their own attraction. Currently, a straight man who I am in love with but I know I can’t be with loves me incredibly deeply. He is not sexually attracted to me but he is emotionally attracted to me. We are very close friends and he likes to see me be pleasured by being with him, even though he does not get sexually aroused by my arousal. However, he loves to “perform” sexually with me because he knows how much I love him and he wants me to be happy and to enjoy myself by enjoying him. (No, he does not receive money from me nor do I pay his bills or anything of that nature.  We met at a gay club where he was a dancer. But we’ve known each other for six years and we’ve grown to be friends.) 
So I don’t have the answer to it all. I just am coming to a deeper understanding that people are people. And just like I don’t want to be categorized and put into a box, I don’t need to do that to anyone else either. So, if we truly want to allow love to win, I think we need to let each person “love” how they love.  
 
 

I used to be pretty clear on this topic, thinking it’s just part of gay male neurosis because of how we learn about loving with our sexuality. As young boys we hide our feelings and don’t have healthy models of his to love people to whom we are attracted. So our “crushes” are hit or miss - falling for unavailable guys, “straight” guys, or o sensing over other gay guys who have made clear they are not attracted to us in the same way that we are attracted to them. 
However, I’ve come to the realization that straight men, those who “identify” and those are actually straight, are just people who, like us before, do not have words to explain what they are going through, models to follow, or clear ways to express their own attraction. Currently, a straight man who I am in love with but I know I can’t be with loves me incredibly deeply. He is not sexually attracted to me but he is emotionally attracted to me. We are very close friends and he likes to see me be pleasured by being with him, even though he does not get sexually aroused by my arousal. However, he loves to “perform” sexually with me because he knows how much I love him and he wants me to be happy and to enjoy myself by enjoying him. (No, he does not receive money from me nor do I pay his bills or anything of that nature.  We met at a gay club where he was a dancer. But we’ve known each other for six years and we’ve grown to be friends.) 
So I don’t have the answer to it all. I just am coming to a deeper understanding that people are people. And just like I don’t want to be categorized and put into a box, I don’t need to do that to anyone else either. So, if we truly want to allow love to win, I think we need to let each person “love” how they love.  
 
 

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I used to be pretty clear on this topic, thinking it’s just part of gay male neurosis because of how we learn about loving with our sexuality. As young boys we hide our feelings and don’t have healthy models of his to love people to whom we are attracted. So our “crushes” are hit or miss - falling for unavailable guys, “straight” guys, or o sensing over other gay guys who have made clear they are not attracted to us in the same way that we are attracted to them. 
However, I’ve come to the realization that straight men, those who “identify” and those are actually straight, are just people who, like us before, do not have words to explain what they are going through, models to follow, or clear ways to express their own attraction. Currently, a straight man who I am in love with but I know I can’t be with loves me incredibly deeply. He is not sexually attracted to me but he is emotionally attracted to me. We are very close friends and he likes to see me be pleasured by being with him, even though he does not get sexually aroused by my arousal. However, he loves to “perform” sexually with me because he knows how much I love him and he wants me to be happy and to enjoy myself by enjoying him. (No, he does not receive money from me nor do I pay his bills or anything of that nature.  We met at a gay club where he was a dancer. But we’ve known each other for six years and we’ve grown to be friends.) 
So I don’t have the answer to it all. I just am coming to a deeper understanding that people are people. And just like I don’t want to be categorized and put into a box, I don’t need to do that to anyone else either. So, if we truly want to allow love to win, I think we need to let each person “love” how they love.  
 
 

This 💯 I will remember on my next trip to Wilton Manors in February.
When I look back on my handful of experiences at Boardwalk, very little extra enjoyment came from the private rooms.  I had better bang for the buck getting massaged by a hot guy at the bar, caressing a hot guy at the bar, etc.
I was planning on skipping Boardwalk this upcoming trip entirely, opting for Johnson's and LeBoy instead.  You've inspired me to try again, but pursue a different kind of fun with different types of men in a different environment than the other clubs... And to arrive after 2am on Fridays and Saturdays.... And to stay out of the private rooms.

I’ve hired straight guys in the past as long as they’re comfortable with the gay 4 pay scene and do what I request. But if a guy has an ad that specifically says “women only,” it’s likely he won’t be interested and could even be hostile. 

I respect the fetish, but I just don't understand it.  For me, a man's sexual orientation has no effect on his "lust-worthiness."

I used to be pretty clear on this topic, thinking it’s just part of gay male neurosis because of how we learn about loving with our sexuality. As young boys we hide our feelings and don’t have healthy models of his to love people to whom we are attracted. So our “crushes” are hit or miss - falling for unavailable guys, “straight” guys, or o sensing over other gay guys who have made clear they are not attracted to us in the same way that we are attracted to them. 
However, I’ve come to the realization that straight men, those who “identify” and those are actually straight, are just people who, like us before, do not have words to explain what they are going through, models to follow, or clear ways to express their own attraction. Currently, a straight man who I am in love with but I know I can’t be with loves me incredibly deeply. He is not sexually attracted to me but he is emotionally attracted to me. We are very close friends and he likes to see me be pleasured by being with him, even though he does not get sexually aroused by my arousal. However, he loves to “perform” sexually with me because he knows how much I love him and he wants me to be happy and to enjoy myself by enjoying him. (No, he does not receive money from me nor do I pay his bills or anything of that nature.  We met at a gay club where he was a dancer. But we’ve known each other for six years and we’ve grown to be friends.) 
So I don’t have the answer to it all. I just am coming to a deeper understanding that people are people. And just like I don’t want to be categorized and put into a box, I don’t need to do that to anyone else either. So, if we truly want to allow love to win, I think we need to let each person “love” how they love.  
 
 

I used to be pretty clear on this topic, thinking it’s just part of gay male neurosis because of how we learn about loving with our sexuality. As young boys we hide our feelings and don’t have healthy models of his to love people to whom we are attracted. So our “crushes” are hit or miss - falling for unavailable guys, “straight” guys, or o sensing over other gay guys who have made clear they are not attracted to us in the same way that we are attracted to them. 
However, I’ve come to the realization that straight men, those who “identify” and those are actually straight, are just people who, like us before, do not have words to explain what they are going through, models to follow, or clear ways to express their own attraction. Currently, a straight man who I am in love with but I know I can’t be with loves me incredibly deeply. He is not sexually attracted to me but he is emotionally attracted to me. We are very close friends and he likes to see me be pleasured by being with him, even though he does not get sexually aroused by my arousal. However, he loves to “perform” sexually with me because he knows how much I love him and he wants me to be happy and to enjoy myself by enjoying him. (No, he does not receive money from me nor do I pay his bills or anything of that nature.  We met at a gay club where he was a dancer. But we’ve known each other for six years and we’ve grown to be friends.) 
So I don’t have the answer to it all. I just am coming to a deeper understanding that people are people. And just like I don’t want to be categorized and put into a box, I don’t need to do that to anyone else either. So, if we truly want to allow love to win, I think we need to let each person “love” how they love.  
 
 

I used to be pretty clear on this topic, thinking it’s just part of gay male neurosis because of how we learn about loving with our sexuality. As young boys we hide our feelings and don’t have healthy models of his to love people to whom we are attracted. So our “crushes” are hit or miss - falling for unavailable guys, “straight” guys, or o sensing over other gay guys who have made clear they are not attracted to us in the same way that we are attracted to them. 
However, I’ve come to the realization that straight men, those who “identify” and those are actually straight, are just people who, like us before, do not have words to explain what they are going through, models to follow, or clear ways to express their own attraction. Currently, a straight man who I am in love with but I know I can’t be with loves me incredibly deeply. He is not sexually attracted to me but he is emotionally attracted to me. We are very close friends and he likes to see me be pleasured by being with him, even though he does not get sexually aroused by my arousal. However, he loves to “perform” sexually with me because he knows how much I love him and he wants me to be happy and to enjoy myself by enjoying him. (No, he does not receive money from me nor do I pay his bills or anything of that nature.  We met at a gay club where he was a dancer. But we’ve known each other for six years and we’ve grown to be friends.) 
So I don’t have the answer to it all. I just am coming to a deeper understanding that people are people. And just like I don’t want to be categorized and put into a box, I don’t need to do that to anyone else either. So, if we truly want to allow love to win, I think we need to let each person “love” how they love.  
 
 

I know I have told this story before, but one night in the 1970s I was walking toward the Meatrack on Fire Island when I met Calvin Culver/Casey Donovan coming toward me. We smiled at one another, and without a word being uttered, we kissed, and then were rolling around on the ground. It only took a few minutes, then we kissed again, and both continued in the opposite direction.
My most notable pornstar hire in the 20th century, however, was Eric Ryan (real name Craig Ambler), one of the sexiest men I have ever met. We spent a wonderful evening in 1987 at his apartment on West 74th St in NYC. We talked for hours, both before and after the main event. I was surprised to learn that he had been a straight construction worker with a wife, before he realized that he also enjoyed sex with men, and could make a living using his body that way. He invited me to come back in the morning to have breakfast, but I had to decline.
Unfortunately, both men got lost in drugs and died of AIDS. Their last films were upsetting to watch, especially Christopher Rage's Fucked Up, in which Calvin was obviously under the influence as he got fisted.

I hooked up w Danny Summers in LA mid 90's I was in my 20's.  He was very sweet think he said he was in nursing school or something at the time.  BUT the name that jumped out at me was CAL CULVER!  Think I was in 7th Grade summer between 7th n 8th, I have an uncle only about 10 yrs older than me who's an actor, my family drove up somewhere in New England to see him in a play and THERE on the board in the lobby with the actor's photos was Cal Culver!  (I had an instamatic and took a pic of the board, think the name he used was John or Jay?)   I didn't know from porn but there was an adult gay magazine store here (nyc) down on Hudson Street where I would stand outside the window and drool even as a kid, and a shirtless him was in the window on the cover of some dance magazine, I remember looking at it and melting lol and DYING to be old enough to go in but his face was burned in my brain lol.  And there he was in the play with my uncle.  We went outside to a side door to wait for my uncle but oc I couldn't care less all I wanted to see and meet was HIM.  (I just started saying you were very good to everyone who came out so it wouldn't be weird when I said it to him.  My uncle introduced all of us etc only met him for about 40 secs and to this day wish I had the balls to ask for a picture w him!  (how weird would that have been for this kid to ask for a pic just w him lol???)

Slightly off topic: I remember being sixteen or seventeen, with my parents and sisters, shopping in the Manhattan Bloomingdales when nature called. I innocently walked into the men's room on the first floor. Every urinal was occupied, so I waited. For several minutes none of the men finished and moved on. Finally, one urinal opened up. I walked up to it, pulled out my cock and suddenly realized all those men were showing boners. Hot men. Mostly twenty-somethings in expensive suits. 
Some were reaching over to help the man next to them. I had never seen or heard of such a thing happening in a public restroom. My cock immediately stood at attention, and when the man next to me touched it... wow, just wow. Another guy stuck his finger in my butt and stopped my cock from spurting, only to lightly massage it for the most intense orgasm I had ever had up to that point.
I quickly pulled my pants back up, rejoined my family and acted like nothing happened, but after that I was constantly on the lookout for tea rooms. On my next NYC trip, I was visiting my grandmother without the rest of the family, I went back to Bloomingdales. I met a guy there who invited me to work out with him at the Y the next day. (92nd St Y, circa 1980) The Y was a block from my grandmother's apartment. It became a regular stomping ground for me when I would visit her. I often woke up, went over there, worked out and messed around in the locker area with men who were working out before going to work. 

I was walking back home from the gym and I was passing by Bloomingdale’s in Manhattan in the rain, it was summer of 2000. I noticed a tall hot Latin guy under his umbrella looking at me as I passed by. He smiled and I stopped to talk to him. I ended up bringing him back to my apartment on the Upper East Side for a little fun. He told me he was an escort and also did porn. He gave me his real name, and then his porn star name, Max Grand. Those were the days!
 

Sorry if I previously posted this elsewhere. Back in the eighties Joey Stefano was performing on a Sunday at the Follies. I was young, hot, hung and wearing spandex biking shorts. He quickly left the stage, came down to the audience and grabbed my cock through the spandex. In no time he pulled my shorts down, slicked up my cock with his mouth, turned around and rode me like I was the mechanical bull at Gillies. I started to shoot in his ass, he slipped off my cock, turned around, took my cock in his mouth then, when my cock stopped spurting, he put it back into his ass, all in front of the audience, 
I once saw Justin Dragon (look him up) when he was performing at the Nob Hill Theater. He invited me to go back into the shower with him where we messed around with men watching through the glass. I later found out there were cameras broadcasting live over the internet. We were both tops so there was no screwing. 
And once in Prague I saw a pretty well-known Bel Ami model at Pinocchio Bar. He came back to my hotel and stayed with me for a couple days. He acted as my private tour guide and would not let me pay him. Fortunately, it was before they all started shaving their pubes and pits.

I am curious if there are any more seasoned client experiences with the former (longtime ago) pornstars.  I'm thinking as far back as Jack Wranger, Fred Halsted, Richard Locke, Cal Culver, JW King, John King, and so on.  I was too young when most of those were at their prime, but some of my earliest pornstars I met were Danny Sommers, Alex Stone, Dean Coulter (relatively more recent,) Joe Romero . . .

To be fair, I was clear that I was there on a weekend and that I went back REALLY late. So to have expectations for 11:00 PM on Tuesday...well. It was Tuesday at 11:00.
As another poster has said in the thread, I know how to say no and don't have a problem being firm and just letting a dancer keeping walking on by. They stop asking after the second or third "no thanks." And I had plenty of incredible interaction with the dancers that we're uber hot.  Argentinians that clearly come up to make their money and have plenty to live on for the year.  The three that I enjoyed were in superb shape; two of them compete. And they were very generous with their time. I always stayed at the bar or did a more private dance in the corner. I never went to the back room.  Didn't need to. And all that money went directly to the dancer. They know how to play the game and so do I!
As for sleazy...one man's junk is another man's treasure. I never thought Boardwalk was sleazy haha If that's sleazy, I doubt you'd enjoy any of the bars I've been to in Mexico! But to each his own! More fun for those of us who enjoy it until the wee hours of the morning! For the record, I enjoy Johnson's too. It's just  a different vibe and totally  different kind off stripper bar. I enjoy both!

I have a very bad habit of befriending providers and enjoying friendship well beyond the normal boundaries. In a few instances, in return for my hosting them when they travel to my city, even though I do not engage their services, some of these providers have given me "freebies." I have a few who have become very close friends and so I now decline any of the freebies just because we are closer friends and I would start feeling weird.
Of course, there's always one. And this one and I are so very close. We talk or text every day but we are not in a relationship. We are super close friends but I've broached the subject with him about our "relationship." I love the guy and he's "my guy" as much as I have a guy. We are not sexually compatible but I'm convinced he is emotionally attracted to me and our relationship. When he stays we hang all day and we cuddle. When he wants to release, he invites me to enjoy it with him. But deep in my heart, I know we are only friends. This is the closest I've gotten to what i think this post is about.
 

I have a very bad habit of befriending providers and enjoying friendship well beyond the normal boundaries. In a few instances, in return for my hosting them when they travel to my city, even though I do not engage their services, some of these providers have given me "freebies." I have a few who have become very close friends and so I now decline any of the freebies just because we are closer friends and I would start feeling weird.
Of course, there's always one. And this one and I are so very close. We talk or text every day but we are not in a relationship. We are super close friends but I've broached the subject with him about our "relationship." I love the guy and he's "my guy" as much as I have a guy. We are not sexually compatible but I'm convinced he is emotionally attracted to me and our relationship. When he stays we hang all day and we cuddle. When he wants to release, he invites me to enjoy it with him. But deep in my heart, I know we are only friends. This is the closest I've gotten to what i think this post is about.
 

To be fair, I was clear that I was there on a weekend and that I went back REALLY late. So to have expectations for 11:00 PM on Tuesday...well. It was Tuesday at 11:00.
As another poster has said in the thread, I know how to say no and don't have a problem being firm and just letting a dancer keeping walking on by. They stop asking after the second or third "no thanks." And I had plenty of incredible interaction with the dancers that we're uber hot.  Argentinians that clearly come up to make their money and have plenty to live on for the year.  The three that I enjoyed were in superb shape; two of them compete. And they were very generous with their time. I always stayed at the bar or did a more private dance in the corner. I never went to the back room.  Didn't need to. And all that money went directly to the dancer. They know how to play the game and so do I!
As for sleazy...one man's junk is another man's treasure. I never thought Boardwalk was sleazy haha If that's sleazy, I doubt you'd enjoy any of the bars I've been to in Mexico! But to each his own! More fun for those of us who enjoy it until the wee hours of the morning! For the record, I enjoy Johnson's too. It's just  a different vibe and totally  different kind off stripper bar. I enjoy both!

I have a very bad habit of befriending providers and enjoying friendship well beyond the normal boundaries. In a few instances, in return for my hosting them when they travel to my city, even though I do not engage their services, some of these providers have given me "freebies." I have a few who have become very close friends and so I now decline any of the freebies just because we are closer friends and I would start feeling weird.
Of course, there's always one. And this one and I are so very close. We talk or text every day but we are not in a relationship. We are super close friends but I've broached the subject with him about our "relationship." I love the guy and he's "my guy" as much as I have a guy. We are not sexually compatible but I'm convinced he is emotionally attracted to me and our relationship. When he stays we hang all day and we cuddle. When he wants to release, he invites me to enjoy it with him. But deep in my heart, I know we are only friends. This is the closest I've gotten to what i think this post is about.