hornyfrog

To be fair, they’re not the fat 50 year old black, Asian or Latino guys either. 

Thanks for info @hornyfrog.  Let's hope it's a success.  

I recently went to the new Sauna Python and enjoyed it. The setting / layout / architecture is beautiful (I do think it’s a bit too well-lit, in a place like a meat market, a bit more mood lighting works wonders). The staff was very kind and accommodating (even giving a tour to me as a first-time client). The GPs are somewhere on the level of the old Fragata. The GPs tend to hang out by the pool table and socialize amongst each other when not on the prowl for a programa. The shows downstairs consist of the usual drag and strippers — but some of the strippers were new faces to me.
IMO, the quality as well as the quantity of GPs at Lagoa has decreased dramatically. There is still a difference between those at Lagoa and those at Python — but arguably, not that much.
It’s a 10 minute ride on an Uber between the two saunas Lagoa and Python. It’s probably worth it to check out both saunas while there in São Paulo. 

True. However, I was talking about working boys, not clients. There are not any 60+ year old garotos de programa at the saunas! 

15 reais ($2.62 US) might not seem like a big increase from 35 to 50 reais to YOU as a foreigner / US citizen, but an increase from $35 to $50 is a whopping 42.86%! And 15 reais is about the price of a round-trip on Rio’s subway. According to the Brazilian Institute of Geography and Statistics (IBGE), the per capita household income in 2023 in Brazil was R$1,893 per month. That’s currently only $329 USD. The average Brazilian household is now 3 people. That means that daily, each Brazilian on average makes only 30.44 reais or $5.30 USD a day. 
More than half of Brazilians make less than the country’s federal minimum wage, which is currently R$1.518 a month ($264 USD). 
That entrance fee increase for garotos is half what the average Brazilian earns in a day.

Several years ago, I relocated to Brazil from the USA. I received a temporary residency from investment but I could have also qualified for a retirement visa using my pension and investment income. A few years later, my residency was officially made permanent by the Brazilian government (equivalent of a green card in the USA). I’m a natural-born US citizen with Western European ancestry. Although I moved to Brazil for an early retirement of sorts (I still like to work and be productive), I fell in love with this country years ago and didn’t want to wait until full retirement to enjoy living here. In retrospect, seeing what’s now going on in the USA, my timing couldn’t have been any more perfect. Brazil is a major cultural and bureaucratic adjustment and especially challenging if you don’t speak and understand Portuguese. It’s definitely not for beginners! Living here is different from visiting / being a tourist. But there hasn’t been a day in these years that I have regretted my move here. I live in Rio de Janeiro.

Several years ago, I relocated to Brazil from the USA. I received a temporary residency from investment but I could have also qualified for a retirement visa using my pension and investment income. A few years later, my residency was officially made permanent by the Brazilian government (equivalent of a green card in the USA). I’m a natural-born US citizen with Western European ancestry. Although I moved to Brazil for an early retirement of sorts (I still like to work and be productive), I fell in love with this country years ago and didn’t want to wait until full retirement to enjoy living here. In retrospect, seeing what’s now going on in the USA, my timing couldn’t have been any more perfect. Brazil is a major cultural and bureaucratic adjustment and especially challenging if you don’t speak and understand Portuguese. It’s definitely not for beginners! Living here is different from visiting / being a tourist. But there hasn’t been a day in these years that I have regretted my move here. I live in Rio de Janeiro.

Several years ago, I relocated to Brazil from the USA. I received a temporary residency from investment but I could have also qualified for a retirement visa using my pension and investment income. A few years later, my residency was officially made permanent by the Brazilian government (equivalent of a green card in the USA). I’m a natural-born US citizen with Western European ancestry. Although I moved to Brazil for an early retirement of sorts (I still like to work and be productive), I fell in love with this country years ago and didn’t want to wait until full retirement to enjoy living here. In retrospect, seeing what’s now going on in the USA, my timing couldn’t have been any more perfect. Brazil is a major cultural and bureaucratic adjustment and especially challenging if you don’t speak and understand Portuguese. It’s definitely not for beginners! Living here is different from visiting / being a tourist. But there hasn’t been a day in these years that I have regretted my move here. I live in Rio de Janeiro.

Several years ago, I relocated to Brazil from the USA. I received a temporary residency from investment but I could have also qualified for a retirement visa using my pension and investment income. A few years later, my residency was officially made permanent by the Brazilian government (equivalent of a green card in the USA). I’m a natural-born US citizen with Western European ancestry. Although I moved to Brazil for an early retirement of sorts (I still like to work and be productive), I fell in love with this country years ago and didn’t want to wait until full retirement to enjoy living here. In retrospect, seeing what’s now going on in the USA, my timing couldn’t have been any more perfect. Brazil is a major cultural and bureaucratic adjustment and especially challenging if you don’t speak and understand Portuguese. It’s definitely not for beginners! Living here is different from visiting / being a tourist. But there hasn’t been a day in these years that I have regretted my move here. I live in Rio de Janeiro.

Several years ago, I relocated to Brazil from the USA. I received a temporary residency from investment but I could have also qualified for a retirement visa using my pension and investment income. A few years later, my residency was officially made permanent by the Brazilian government (equivalent of a green card in the USA). I’m a natural-born US citizen with Western European ancestry. Although I moved to Brazil for an early retirement of sorts (I still like to work and be productive), I fell in love with this country years ago and didn’t want to wait until full retirement to enjoy living here. In retrospect, seeing what’s now going on in the USA, my timing couldn’t have been any more perfect. Brazil is a major cultural and bureaucratic adjustment and especially challenging if you don’t speak and understand Portuguese. It’s definitely not for beginners! Living here is different from visiting / being a tourist. But there hasn’t been a day in these years that I have regretted my move here. I live in Rio de Janeiro.

If you don't speak the local language, it is important not to move someplace where you don't already have friends or contacts through whom you will meet and be accepted by local inhabitants.That is especially important if you are already elderly. I have mentioned here before an English friend of mine who retired to Portugal because he had visited as a tourist and enjoyed himself, and thought it would be cheaper to live there than in England. He would call me from there, and I could tell that he was almost weeping because he felt so lonely and isolated in a culture with which he had no natural connection. When I went to live in London as a young man, I had no problem because I was fluent in the language and culture, and could easily make new friends. When I went to live in the Czech Republic in middle age, I already had a job arranged there teaching English, so I knew I would be welcomed and would have a built-in social structure, even though I didn't speak much Czech.
Rod's point about researching local medical care is also important, especially if you have existing medical issues. When I worked in the CR, I had a number of students who were medical professionals, and discovered that the government had much more control of all medical care than we are accustomed to in the US.
 

What’s “cynical” about my response, or the one that I was actually responding to? You have any empirical evidence that there are fat, 50+ year old garotos de programa of any race, color or ethnicity working at Club 117 or Point 202 in Rio? 
I’m a resident here. You say you’ve been here 12 times. When is the last time you’ve actually been inside a working boy sauna in Rio? The clients — we clients — are the out-of-shape, older schlubs — and with very few exceptions. And that transcends race. The median age of the clients in these Brazilian working saunas has got to be around 60 — at the bare minimum, 55. And that’s actually not a bad thing. It’s only bad if you think aging is a terrible thing. I happen to think aging sure beats the alternative! And who else is going to pay these boys bills? iPhones and nice new tennis shoes are expensive in Brazil — and they sure don’t buy themselves! 
 

Several years ago, I relocated to Brazil from the USA. I received a temporary residency from investment but I could have also qualified for a retirement visa using my pension and investment income. A few years later, my residency was officially made permanent by the Brazilian government (equivalent of a green card in the USA). I’m a natural-born US citizen with Western European ancestry. Although I moved to Brazil for an early retirement of sorts (I still like to work and be productive), I fell in love with this country years ago and didn’t want to wait until full retirement to enjoy living here. In retrospect, seeing what’s now going on in the USA, my timing couldn’t have been any more perfect. Brazil is a major cultural and bureaucratic adjustment and especially challenging if you don’t speak and understand Portuguese. It’s definitely not for beginners! Living here is different from visiting / being a tourist. But there hasn’t been a day in these years that I have regretted my move here. I live in Rio de Janeiro.

Several years ago, I relocated to Brazil from the USA. I received a temporary residency from investment but I could have also qualified for a retirement visa using my pension and investment income. A few years later, my residency was officially made permanent by the Brazilian government (equivalent of a green card in the USA). I’m a natural-born US citizen with Western European ancestry. Although I moved to Brazil for an early retirement of sorts (I still like to work and be productive), I fell in love with this country years ago and didn’t want to wait until full retirement to enjoy living here. In retrospect, seeing what’s now going on in the USA, my timing couldn’t have been any more perfect. Brazil is a major cultural and bureaucratic adjustment and especially challenging if you don’t speak and understand Portuguese. It’s definitely not for beginners! Living here is different from visiting / being a tourist. But there hasn’t been a day in these years that I have regretted my move here. I live in Rio de Janeiro.

Several years ago, I relocated to Brazil from the USA. I received a temporary residency from investment but I could have also qualified for a retirement visa using my pension and investment income. A few years later, my residency was officially made permanent by the Brazilian government (equivalent of a green card in the USA). I’m a natural-born US citizen with Western European ancestry. Although I moved to Brazil for an early retirement of sorts (I still like to work and be productive), I fell in love with this country years ago and didn’t want to wait until full retirement to enjoy living here. In retrospect, seeing what’s now going on in the USA, my timing couldn’t have been any more perfect. Brazil is a major cultural and bureaucratic adjustment and especially challenging if you don’t speak and understand Portuguese. It’s definitely not for beginners! Living here is different from visiting / being a tourist. But there hasn’t been a day in these years that I have regretted my move here. I live in Rio de Janeiro.

What’s “cynical” about my response, or the one that I was actually responding to? You have any empirical evidence that there are fat, 50+ year old garotos de programa of any race, color or ethnicity working at Club 117 or Point 202 in Rio? 
I’m a resident here. You say you’ve been here 12 times. When is the last time you’ve actually been inside a working boy sauna in Rio? The clients — we clients — are the out-of-shape, older schlubs — and with very few exceptions. And that transcends race. The median age of the clients in these Brazilian working saunas has got to be around 60 — at the bare minimum, 55. And that’s actually not a bad thing. It’s only bad if you think aging is a terrible thing. I happen to think aging sure beats the alternative! And who else is going to pay these boys bills? iPhones and nice new tennis shoes are expensive in Brazil — and they sure don’t buy themselves! 
 

What’s “cynical” about my response, or the one that I was actually responding to? You have any empirical evidence that there are fat, 50+ year old garotos de programa of any race, color or ethnicity working at Club 117 or Point 202 in Rio? 
I’m a resident here. You say you’ve been here 12 times. When is the last time you’ve actually been inside a working boy sauna in Rio? The clients — we clients — are the out-of-shape, older schlubs — and with very few exceptions. And that transcends race. The median age of the clients in these Brazilian working saunas has got to be around 60 — at the bare minimum, 55. And that’s actually not a bad thing. It’s only bad if you think aging is a terrible thing. I happen to think aging sure beats the alternative! And who else is going to pay these boys bills? iPhones and nice new tennis shoes are expensive in Brazil — and they sure don’t buy themselves! 
 

True. However, I was talking about working boys, not clients. There are not any 60+ year old garotos de programa at the saunas! 

I hope not!

To be fair, they’re not the fat 50 year old black, Asian or Latino guys either. 

To be fair, they’re not the fat 50 year old black, Asian or Latino guys either. 

To be fair, they’re not the fat 50 year old black, Asian or Latino guys either. 

To be fair, they’re not the fat 50 year old black, Asian or Latino guys either. 

To be fair, they’re not the fat 50 year old black, Asian or Latino guys either. 

It is far easier to do it just for the entrance than for consumables or even for room rentals. But I only suggest that the club entrance prices for clients become two-tier. I wouldn’t suggest trying to make any other prices like menu items or room rentals two-tier.