HoseMaster

The problem is that If you can’t prove to them that the market price is lower, they might think you are just trying to get a cheap deal out of them.
 
The only way I would do it which I think would have a genuine impact, is if I could send them a link to a guy which has his rates online. If that cheaper guy is well established (for e.g. has his own website), has very hot pictures and also puts up a very clearly cheaper price, you can say something like “You are really hot and I am sorry I cannot afford you. I understand that your price is your price, and I won’t negotiate you down, but just in case you don’t know this market very well, here is a site of one of my regulars with his rates:<link>.”
 
If he replies something like (which sometimes happened to me) “but what I offer is a much hotter service”, then you can be polite and say: “then fair enough, your price may be justified, however right now, you are still too expensive for my budget, but if I get much richer i’ll contact you again for sure”.

OK, I was going to sit this one out, but I can't. I've seen him at Equinox Columbus Circle a few times and his gym etiquette is non-existent. He hangs out and sits on equipment while playing on his phone, not actually using the equipment....just using it as a lounge. He doesn't re-rack his weights....
If you approach him and ask him to move he'll smile and move, but there's no remorse and it doesn't click to him that he's being a dick. If his boyfriend wasn't 10 feet away and watching I'd be much more comfortable "educating" him
His body looks great in person but as far as I'm concerned he's a monster.

No sleeping with the client, during a $1500 overnight?
 
Hogan doesn't seem worth it.

Looks like I need to plan a trip to Prague....

Yeah he‘s hot but there are plenty of other guys that won’t fleece you for their company.

I'm glad you weren't ripped off, and that you enjoyed your session with Rory.* But you're actually gushing over the fact that he did the right thing, particularly when, in this context, that "right thing" is the absolute bare minimum -- honoring a client's deposit by simply showing up. I think folks are taken aback because, generally speaking, it's expected that we gush over someone who went above and beyond the norm to please us, not someone who didn't swindle us via the very means that he forced upon us as a condition of doing business with him.
 
*Seriously, I am sincerely happy for you. I've been cheated in this biz before and it really hurts, so I'm glad Rory didn't do that to you. I also know how valuable and affirming it can be when a professional sex worker imparts a positive experience on a client. So, I'm glad for you on both fronts.

So you're flaunting your special status??
 
Gman

I guess I'll never know how wonderful this particular guy is since a request for an up front deposit is a non starter for me but more power to him. There are plenty of wonderful companions out there that do not require a deposit and I am happy to meet those great guys...

Builder boy your response made me even more confused.

so let me get this right PDR... you get to give HIM a foot massage. nothing else in the session and you claim you cant wait to see him again?
 
WTF am i missing guys? am i getting dementia?

There's nothing hotter than getting a blowjob from a guy who can also drywall your bathroom.

Here’s a little info...there’s an LA Times article I’m still searching for:
Propositioning Day Laborers
 
Edit: another article from SoCal media, mentions above cite as well:
https://www.dailynews.com/2006/07/02/solicitation-just-part-of-day-laborers-lives/

Well, he advertises as an escort. All he did was talk with me for two hours.

This has happened to me on multiple occasions. Very transparent their "situations" were fictional. So I always play the game they are playing. If they ask to "borrow" money for an "emergency" I give them a laundry list of the "emergencies" that I have. Telling them I would love to loan them the money, I then follow up with multiple reasons why I can't. I tell them: 1) My adjustable rate mortgage just got jacked sky high so my house payment just went up $2,000/month 2) My mother just got placed in a facility and I am footing the bill of $4,500/month 3) I was just hit with a huge IRS bill of $9,700. I then tell them I am lucky to scrounge up the money just to continue seeing them. This shuts them up fast, as they count their blessings at least they have not lost me as a regular client. They never ask again, just happy I am not dropping them. Works every time. Two can play this game.

Unfortunateply, as others have said, even the mere request for
cash will make the relationship weird. No matter what you do.
 
When I get this request I simply respond with a lighthearted
”nobody rides for free”. If they’re too dense to get it, I follow up
with ”ass, gas or grass....I don’t smoke and my car’s tank is full....
get to work”.
 
Escorting is work. Plain and simple. Even though its natural to bond,
you can never forget it’s a business relationship. Keep it healthy.
Otherwise, resentment is guaranteed to develop...on both sides.

Although I haven't totally lost interest in hiring, I have scaled down from when I used to hire a lot more. I'm in my early fifties now, and my testosterone hovers in the low-200 range, when my urologist says it should be in the 600-800 range. I remember one of my Fire Captain opposites was getting testosterone pellet therapy that our work insurance covered, so I eventually got approved for that as well. My libido has picked up a little from that, but it hasn't been what it was. One of my best friends got his T-level checked, and he was naturally around 1,100! Also, his libido is through the roof, and still is in great shape at close to 40 years old.
 
Another thing is that I am still attracted to guys in their 20s and early 30s that are naturally smooth, no facial hair (is there a pattern here with the other posters?), and muscular. It still seems the latest trend is lots of facial hair, which turns me off right away.
 
I also have set reserves in my mind that anything above $300 per hour, $1,000-1,200 for an overnight, or $2,000-$2,500 for a weekend is ridiculous. It's not that I can't afford more than that. It just goes back to what I was first used to paying for these services, and that there are still guys out there that perform a phenomenal job at those rates. Very often I'll go through ads and see someone that looks appealing to me, and then when I get a rate beyond what I stated above, "Hey little head! Big head here! Move on! You could go have fun in a tropical place on vacation for that price, Dork!"
 
I've even started to trend back to hourlies again from my usual overnights and weekenders. It seems that once I cum now in the hour, I feel that I don't need to cum for awhile again, so they may as well just leave at the end of the hour. Maybe if I felt a connection, I'd want them to stay, but if there is no connection..."BUH BYE"
 
The last two hires of mine were naturally smooth and muscular guys from Colombia from the Midwest and the East Coast. They had nice muscular smooth bodies, easy on the eyes, and were ok in bed. There wasn't much connection, as they both seemed more concerned with themselves, or what they were going to eat than they did with me. One seemed more gay-for-pay, while the other was gay. They both got married to guys here in the U.S. so they could stay here, but both told me it was just for citizenship purposes. We had "okay" times, but neither hire resonated with me like when first started hiring nearly 15 years ago. When our weekend sessions were over, I felt a little on the depressed side, and thought to myself, "I just spent HOW much for that??" "What were you thinking?" "You could have had a nice vacation for THAT price!" It seems that those thoughts I mentioned now surface a lot more than I used to.

My libido was never much to begin with (I remember friends joking about that when I was in my early 20s), but it's getting worse. It seems like half the time, I can't even come during a session.
 
And I get bored too. I have 2 regulars, but after time, it gets less exciting.
 
I was looking for a new regular, but everyone in this area wants 300 + Uber fee. 20 miles from downtown doesn't seem long, but it is if you're driving in Chicago. And more escorts don't like travelling.
 
And to repeat what an earlier poster said, facial hair is the "thing" now, and it's a major turnoff for me.

Gone are the days where one didn't have to think about the rates! I truly wonder whether some boys have any takers at £1K/night and the like.
 
I tell myself that there's a health benefit in being caressed and kissed, at least. Keeps my blood moving in ways different from my weekly athletic massage.
 
When I try someone new and it's 'meh', it can put me off my meat for a while.
 
My libido is less, the prices are higher and, yes, too many beards and tattoos. Sometimes I find the attitude of a professional escort off-putting; I like them to be really customer-oriented.
 
DoubleList is no CL; that's for sure!

As I've stated many times before I've been involved in this hiring game for over seventeen years. After that many years I simply cannot imagine what an escort can do for me in an hour that would be worth $500. Additionally a discount of $50 for the second hour I personally find insulting. Maybe he will find takers in the New York marked but I seriously doubt that fee will wash in other markets even including mine in L.A.

I have done this ONCE with a struggling young actor I'd been seeing for a few years in LA starting when he was 20-21 (legit actor since his teens professional performing children's school he had Bway and TV credits I found his demo reel and resume online) who I met in a non-escort chat room but hinted he was open to financial assistance etc and that's how we began. After two years of meetings he asked for an advance against our next several sessions. He said he was strapped he'd been in a accident and couldn't work, (TELL ME IF YOU'VE EVER HEARD OR SEEN THIS) he said the airbag deployed in his face and when he showed up to collect his advance he had two black eyes, NOT like you would from a fight, mostly under the eyes and completely uniform, more like after plastic surgery after having your eyes done) *this was a 20-something beautiful boy he didn't have an eye-job lol) So I gave him the money. He did show up twice over the next several months and I got two sessions for "free". (I'd advanced him the equivalent of 6) But after that he made excuses. Soooooo not wanting to lose him (think your LEGAL AGE 90210/Dawson's Creek esque dream boy, one of those ones, though slight, is HUGELY endowed) I suggested that I'd just start paying him again at next session and miraculously he was available.
 
But I never fully trusted him again, and I ignore casual catch-up emails and texts where he doesn't ask for money but hints how dire he situation is - rent - vet bills -everything in between and I simply suggest a meet-up when we're on the same coast if that will help etc. (he's in his mid-30's now, our last hook up was 2 years ago when he was flown to NYC by producers for a Bway audition)
 
The hardest thing is resisting the urge to just send this boy money, especially when you get addicted to someone like him and think with your dick lol, it's a flaw of mine, and a constant struggle.

This is exactly how I feel about hiring. If I can find a guy who meet me on a mental and emotional level, at least for me, it makes the experience so much better. It also makes it significantly more likely I will rehire and for a longer session. Physical ability is great but it always leaves me feeling empty if there's nothing behind it.

Although I haven't totally lost interest in hiring, I have scaled down from when I used to hire a lot more. I'm in my early fifties now, and my testosterone hovers in the low-200 range, when my urologist says it should be in the 600-800 range. I remember one of my Fire Captain opposites was getting testosterone pellet therapy that our work insurance covered, so I eventually got approved for that as well. My libido has picked up a little from that, but it hasn't been what it was. One of my best friends got his T-level checked, and he was naturally around 1,100! Also, his libido is through the roof, and still is in great shape at close to 40 years old.
 
Another thing is that I am still attracted to guys in their 20s and early 30s that are naturally smooth, no facial hair (is there a pattern here with the other posters?), and muscular. It still seems the latest trend is lots of facial hair, which turns me off right away.
 
I also have set reserves in my mind that anything above $300 per hour, $1,000-1,200 for an overnight, or $2,000-$2,500 for a weekend is ridiculous. It's not that I can't afford more than that. It just goes back to what I was first used to paying for these services, and that there are still guys out there that perform a phenomenal job at those rates. Very often I'll go through ads and see someone that looks appealing to me, and then when I get a rate beyond what I stated above, "Hey little head! Big head here! Move on! You could go have fun in a tropical place on vacation for that price, Dork!"
 
I've even started to trend back to hourlies again from my usual overnights and weekenders. It seems that once I cum now in the hour, I feel that I don't need to cum for awhile again, so they may as well just leave at the end of the hour. Maybe if I felt a connection, I'd want them to stay, but if there is no connection..."BUH BYE"
 
The last two hires of mine were naturally smooth and muscular guys from Colombia from the Midwest and the East Coast. They had nice muscular smooth bodies, easy on the eyes, and were ok in bed. There wasn't much connection, as they both seemed more concerned with themselves, or what they were going to eat than they did with me. One seemed more gay-for-pay, while the other was gay. They both got married to guys here in the U.S. so they could stay here, but both told me it was just for citizenship purposes. We had "okay" times, but neither hire resonated with me like when first started hiring nearly 15 years ago. When our weekend sessions were over, I felt a little on the depressed side, and thought to myself, "I just spent HOW much for that??" "What were you thinking?" "You could have had a nice vacation for THAT price!" It seems that those thoughts I mentioned now surface a lot more than I used to.

After going thru about 8K in the past year I am starting to conclude, that money, would be better spent on a great vacation, not constantly jumping thru hoops to try to find a decent stud who looks like the pics, acts like the text and has enough common sense to turn off his cell phone when the door closes and leave it off until the door opens for one of us to leave. I would be happy to give that 8K to the right regular.

This is probably the best thread I’ve read since being a member. I’m 46, horny as a goat most days, but I too have cut down on hiring, and for many of the reasons others have stated. When I started in the south, there were maybe 3 guys and the occasional traveler to choose from. Now there are over 20 choices, yet many are probably from backpage, so the quality is questionable at best. Many of the new guys are very young, want to charge $300 in a $200-$250 city, have way too much attitude, and just honestly turn me off. I wait for some consistent travelers or treat myself when out of town. But the main reason I cut back is that prices are going up, but my salary hasn’t and is not keeping pace with inflation. I just don’t have the discretionary income that I used to have. I’m definitely part of the middle class that continues to shrink.

Although I haven't totally lost interest in hiring, I have scaled down from when I used to hire a lot more. I'm in my early fifties now, and my testosterone hovers in the low-200 range, when my urologist says it should be in the 600-800 range. I remember one of my Fire Captain opposites was getting testosterone pellet therapy that our work insurance covered, so I eventually got approved for that as well. My libido has picked up a little from that, but it hasn't been what it was. One of my best friends got his T-level checked, and he was naturally around 1,100! Also, his libido is through the roof, and still is in great shape at close to 40 years old.
 
Another thing is that I am still attracted to guys in their 20s and early 30s that are naturally smooth, no facial hair (is there a pattern here with the other posters?), and muscular. It still seems the latest trend is lots of facial hair, which turns me off right away.
 
I also have set reserves in my mind that anything above $300 per hour, $1,000-1,200 for an overnight, or $2,000-$2,500 for a weekend is ridiculous. It's not that I can't afford more than that. It just goes back to what I was first used to paying for these services, and that there are still guys out there that perform a phenomenal job at those rates. Very often I'll go through ads and see someone that looks appealing to me, and then when I get a rate beyond what I stated above, "Hey little head! Big head here! Move on! You could go have fun in a tropical place on vacation for that price, Dork!"
 
I've even started to trend back to hourlies again from my usual overnights and weekenders. It seems that once I cum now in the hour, I feel that I don't need to cum for awhile again, so they may as well just leave at the end of the hour. Maybe if I felt a connection, I'd want them to stay, but if there is no connection..."BUH BYE"
 
The last two hires of mine were naturally smooth and muscular guys from Colombia from the Midwest and the East Coast. They had nice muscular smooth bodies, easy on the eyes, and were ok in bed. There wasn't much connection, as they both seemed more concerned with themselves, or what they were going to eat than they did with me. One seemed more gay-for-pay, while the other was gay. They both got married to guys here in the U.S. so they could stay here, but both told me it was just for citizenship purposes. We had "okay" times, but neither hire resonated with me like when first started hiring nearly 15 years ago. When our weekend sessions were over, I felt a little on the depressed side, and thought to myself, "I just spent HOW much for that??" "What were you thinking?" "You could have had a nice vacation for THAT price!" It seems that those thoughts I mentioned now surface a lot more than I used to.