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I’ve had “providers” never respond. Neither on RM or by text. Makes me wonder how you’re ever supposed to make an appointment! Gymnastkid of Long Island is especially notorious for this.

I say ATMs

What does this mean?

He’s clearly a time waster.

Sorry for the late response. I just PMed you.

…I’m still alive. I had some major health incidents happen. Needless to say, that’s set back hiring plans for some time. 😞 I’m doing better. But the checking account isn’t. Thankfully it happened AFTER the deductible was realized for the year. But alas, hiring plans have been put on hold for some time. Disappointing for me about hiring. 😢 Disappointing for some of you that I’m not gone! 😂

I don’t. It’s also not right. Or acceptable. I just don’t get caught. I'm delusional enough to think that breaking the law, whatever it is, isn’t wrong. Facing consequences and being wrong are too very different things… We all do things that are wrong; but just because everyone does it doesn’t mean it’s not wrong anymore.

No. Disagree. Vehemently. Pay shaving? How much is too much and what's acceptable? Escort quotes me $1800 for an overnight, I say I’ll pay it, but show up with $1500. What matters is that I’m a nice guy, right? Lunacy. The idea that lying is somehow understandable and acceptable!

No. Disagree. Vehemently.

Bringing up a resume is apt. Lying (“embellishing”) on a resume is unethical and fraudulent and if an employer found out, wouldn’t hire the applicant or would fire them. Because its wrong. I suppose it’s fine for a provider to embellish that they are STD free and on Prep too, even if they’re not!

You guess right!

I rarely have escorts text in such articulate ways as is being shown here. Nor do I get many who actually provide complete information to questions ask as shown here. My experience has been that if you ask more than one question at a time, you get short answer to one of them, either the first or the last. And often communicating happens with emojis… I had it happen to me yesterday actually…about November and flights.

If he’s 55, 55.

@Jason Dutch, best wishes for your mom and you as you’re there for her. 💕

No shit. It’s a discussion. About what falls into the realm of generally the “norm.” Anyone can have expectations and preferences out of the norm, but it’s nice to know if you do. Settle down. And try to contribute something constructive to the discussion instead of bitching in a metanarrative. There’s so much tertiary cat fighting here…that hijacks a conversation from the main topic. Just like I’m doing now…

@Jason Dutch, your RM is expired. Everything okay?

Age: Ask me!

I’d add watching a movie or TV intentionally. There’s passive “kill” time together and there’s “active” entertainment time together. Maybe that falls under intimacy. I’m not sure. Meals is a biggie for me. As a single person, I eat alone enough and have to plan when I’m going to eat with people. If I’m on a BFE with a guy, mealtimes is not time to be on your phone. Even if it’s just mealtime at home. I cook and clean up from meals. Use your phone then. Not at the table.

That could be said about any work.

Everyone needs me time…I think. That’s not the discussion here. The discussion is what is “on the clock” time. People who work outside of escorting have me time (I hope). But their lives also have other obligations that don’t allow for them to have me time. I don’t consider gym time work time for an escort. Not all clients want a muscled guy. A twink likely isn’t in the gym nearly as much as a muscle guy. If I hire a twink for a weekend I’d expect comparable time together with him as I would if I hired a muscle guy. If the muscle guy needs to use the gym, he can use his me time. Like everyone who goes to the gym. Unless you’re an athlete, you’re not paid to use the gym. Even if you have a physically demanding job. I use that example because if we’re paying for time, then time should be comparable between escorts. Not one for one of course, but comparable. We often ask about the market rate in NYC compared to Chicago, say. Well, if we’re paying for a muscle to spend time in the gym, not with us, that would be different rate between him and a twink who spends his time with us who’d otherwise be in the gym. So a twink’s per hour rate with us would be cheaper than a muscle guy if he spends more time with us than the muscle guy if the muscle guy is considering his gym time as something different from me time, as comped time but not with us. If we’re paying for time… I don’t know if I made myself clear. I know it’s clear in my head but it sounds confusing in explaining it! 😂

There are several issues here… Some providers fudge their ages. Others fudge their ages to stay competitive. Some clients accept fudged ages, a so-called “necessary evil.” Other clients accept fudged ages because “it’s how it is.” Repeat cycle from the beginning. If it’s about look’s that a guy is hiring, then post pictures. Age shouldn’t matter. If it’s about maturity (either direction), a fudged age will likely put off a client who feels duped. A client looking for a particular age isn’t going to like getting something different from that… So I come around again that the only real way to deal with issue is to jam a stake in the wheelspokes of dishonesty. I just don’t get why anyone would defend that when it’s a self-perpetuating cycle that serves no real purpose but to keep itself going.

I agree. But there is many a squawker who does! And they tend to show up in my reading here a good bit. Time to exercise the hide function again!

I may have a candid conversation about phone usage the next time. Just because it’s been an issue in the past. I’ve had guys who seem to forget where their phones are when we’re together. And I’ve had guys who seem like their phones are surgically attached to their wrists. As for “me time” when we’re together, that’s just healthy for any relationship. Escort-client relationship or not. People need a break. I need my nap, damnit! 😂 I will decline the meetup with a guy who says he needs to do work while he’s with me. If you worked at Walmart part time, they wouldn’t allow you to take a call from your Wall Street broker no matter how important it is. I’ve been burnt by that. I would be really hesitant to hire a guy who needs to work while we’re together. I might understand a call or two…but not meetings and so forth that I have to conform my time off around. I’ve lived that with an escort, several times with the same guy, and it wasn’t a terribly fantastic experience. I like to think I could/would be accommodating, but I’d need some pretty good assurances it wouldn’t ruin the time together.

I believe you. But coming from a provider it also sounds like someone who’s afraid they may be expected to a mite more than they’re comped for. The reverse if you will…trying to wring every last drop of blood from a turnip. Clients want as much as they can get for as little as they give. Escorts want top dollar for the least work. Those, together, seem to be the cynical assumption of many a client and an escort, respectively, here. And frankly, it gets old. Don’t people (clients) get tired of cynically bitching about something that alledgedly is fun? And if people (escorts) despise the working conditions so much, maybe other work would provide happier fulfillment. It seems like a lot of griping to me!