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Reminded me of a bizarre experience: 
As a provider takes me up to his hotel room he asks “do you like groups?” And while opening door the I see he has a friend there … I say I’m not donating more than agreed and I’m told the other guy is free as they’re sharing a room and it’s late and he has nowhere else to go. I ran out claiming I felt ill and it was nothing to do with them (my gut said this was weird and scary so get out without angering them). I got abusive texts the whole night saying I owed him double the amount discussed (for 2 people).
 
 

Reminded me of a bizarre experience: 
As a provider takes me up to his hotel room he asks “do you like groups?” And while opening door the I see he has a friend there … I say I’m not donating more than agreed and I’m told the other guy is free as they’re sharing a room and it’s late and he has nowhere else to go. I ran out claiming I felt ill and it was nothing to do with them (my gut said this was weird and scary so get out without angering them). I got abusive texts the whole night saying I owed him double the amount discussed (for 2 people).
 
 

Challenge accepted

Didn’t know the names of the venues but had a mental picture in my earlier post. 
Here are some random references from a quick internet search.
1. Wall Street Sauna
https://gaycitynews.com/wall-street-sauna-shuttered/
2. Mount Morris Baths (Harlem)
https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/19/nyregion/mount-morris-journal-a-gay-bathhouse-in-harlem-hey-it-s-no-secret.html
3. Northern Men’s Sauna (Flushing)
https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/saunas/northamerica/usa/newyork/nyc/12493_Northern Men's Sauna
4. El Mirage on East Houston
https://www.villagevoice.com/2005/11/29/ny-mirror-456/

Roosevelt Ave and Times Sq will need more research … a friend I asked about them after I was drawing a blank said the TSQ location was actually closer to Herald Square / west 30s. And the one I called Roosevelt Ave was actually on one of the large cross streets.

Being a genuinely nice person isn't average at all. Looks fade but a truly good person remains as such. 

Several providers have told me they got into the business because of situations like this. Showed there’s a market for their talents and gifts.
 
That may also explain some of the providers describing themselves as straight. 
 

I second that, and to be honest, when they list themselves as versatile, in my experience they always end up being more bottoms 🤷‍♂️

Don’t know anything about those on your list but I note they are mostly “versatile” or “versatile top”.
I’m sure I’ve seen several discussions on this subject here so apologies to those who don’t like repeats, but given what you say is your criteria aren’t you better off filtering for someone who describes himself only as “top”?
 

Sure. Go for it.
But ambiguity is not my own style of communication.
 

I should add I’ve received offers a couple of times.
First, in my late teens from an affluent elderly widower in our town - my reaction was one of rage and disgust, and I now really regret this since I didn’t have the empathy for him I might have now - he wasn’t threatening and just trying to see if something was possible and I remember him tearing up when I reacted badly to his proposal.
The second time was in my late twenties from a married-with-kids senior colleague offering arrangements when he traveled for work - where my bigger worry was do I get fired if I turn him down - it seemed really awkward and confusing and I dealt with it by hiding.
Most recently from someone much younger than me (maybe mid 20s) who just feels lonely and inexperienced and terrified of “the scene”. I think I’ve finally got the hang of all this - am not into him at all, and I let him down very gently citing how his life will be so much better in the long run if he chooses another way to approach this ideally with someone closer to his age, or seek someone more “professional” (told him to look at RM and have offered advice he wants to go down that route).
I’m definitely on the naive side in these matters and I wonder if I’ve missed other situations including where I though people were hitting on me a bit too aggressively but were actually making a financial proposition. 
Given how exceedingly average I am (maybe I’m a nice guy and approachable if that has any relevance) I can see how the more obvious targets could have a flood of offers from those with the means and feeling the need. 

I just did a quick search on customer reviews … apparently difficult to resolve any problems and you can never get hold of anyone, very long wait times on phone and for email query responses, maybe they can offer higher interest only by having minimal infrastructure 

When I first visited New York I think there were at least 8 places like this - and even then people were lamenting the “good old days” when there close to like 20.
They once fulfilled an important purpose but your phone can turn any city into a bathhouse these days. 

I should add I’ve received offers a couple of times.
First, in my late teens from an affluent elderly widower in our town - my reaction was one of rage and disgust, and I now really regret this since I didn’t have the empathy for him I might have now - he wasn’t threatening and just trying to see if something was possible and I remember him tearing up when I reacted badly to his proposal.
The second time was in my late twenties from a married-with-kids senior colleague offering arrangements when he traveled for work - where my bigger worry was do I get fired if I turn him down - it seemed really awkward and confusing and I dealt with it by hiding.
Most recently from someone much younger than me (maybe mid 20s) who just feels lonely and inexperienced and terrified of “the scene”. I think I’ve finally got the hang of all this - am not into him at all, and I let him down very gently citing how his life will be so much better in the long run if he chooses another way to approach this ideally with someone closer to his age, or seek someone more “professional” (told him to look at RM and have offered advice he wants to go down that route).
I’m definitely on the naive side in these matters and I wonder if I’ve missed other situations including where I though people were hitting on me a bit too aggressively but were actually making a financial proposition. 
Given how exceedingly average I am (maybe I’m a nice guy and approachable if that has any relevance) I can see how the more obvious targets could have a flood of offers from those with the means and feeling the need. 

I should add I’ve received offers a couple of times.
First, in my late teens from an affluent elderly widower in our town - my reaction was one of rage and disgust, and I now really regret this since I didn’t have the empathy for him I might have now - he wasn’t threatening and just trying to see if something was possible and I remember him tearing up when I reacted badly to his proposal.
The second time was in my late twenties from a married-with-kids senior colleague offering arrangements when he traveled for work - where my bigger worry was do I get fired if I turn him down - it seemed really awkward and confusing and I dealt with it by hiding.
Most recently from someone much younger than me (maybe mid 20s) who just feels lonely and inexperienced and terrified of “the scene”. I think I’ve finally got the hang of all this - am not into him at all, and I let him down very gently citing how his life will be so much better in the long run if he chooses another way to approach this ideally with someone closer to his age, or seek someone more “professional” (told him to look at RM and have offered advice he wants to go down that route).
I’m definitely on the naive side in these matters and I wonder if I’ve missed other situations including where I though people were hitting on me a bit too aggressively but were actually making a financial proposition. 
Given how exceedingly average I am (maybe I’m a nice guy and approachable if that has any relevance) I can see how the more obvious targets could have a flood of offers from those with the means and feeling the need. 

I get the hints everyone... I won't bother reaching out to that provider again. 

Stay away. He was very mean to someone I know and trust (personal verbal attacks). I can go into details on DM if you wish. 

Several providers have told me they got into the business because of situations like this. Showed there’s a market for their talents and gifts.
 
That may also explain some of the providers describing themselves as straight. 
 

This discussion has been like watching a very badly scripted soap opera episode and then all of us sitting down together to discuss our feelings on the (lacking in credibility) storyline we just saw
i feel like we established we are all nice people who don’t like treating each other unfairly.
So the world is a better place 
and a note to the OP - try a little harder with your bait next time? 

This discussion has been like watching a very badly scripted soap opera episode and then all of us sitting down together to discuss our feelings on the (lacking in credibility) storyline we just saw
i feel like we established we are all nice people who don’t like treating each other unfairly.
So the world is a better place 
and a note to the OP - try a little harder with your bait next time? 

This discussion has been like watching a very badly scripted soap opera episode and then all of us sitting down together to discuss our feelings on the (lacking in credibility) storyline we just saw
i feel like we established we are all nice people who don’t like treating each other unfairly.
So the world is a better place 
and a note to the OP - try a little harder with your bait next time? 

This discussion has been like watching a very badly scripted soap opera episode and then all of us sitting down together to discuss our feelings on the (lacking in credibility) storyline we just saw
i feel like we established we are all nice people who don’t like treating each other unfairly.
So the world is a better place 
and a note to the OP - try a little harder with your bait next time? 

57  replies in 13 hours.  Congrats to the OP - this must be some sort of record.  Ooops - now it's 58 with this reply of mine.  I'm out.

This discussion has been like watching a very badly scripted soap opera episode and then all of us sitting down together to discuss our feelings on the (lacking in credibility) storyline we just saw
i feel like we established we are all nice people who don’t like treating each other unfairly.
So the world is a better place 
and a note to the OP - try a little harder with your bait next time? 

I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve traded messages before meeting on this issue and the provider will either
1) make it clear they prefer bare, plauknt safe may affect their performance and I can’t complaint if it doesn’t work for them etc
2) refuse flat out - will only accept the appointment if we agree on bare, “I'm on prep you have nothing to worry about” etc 
And in person I’ve experienced those who agreed on safe beforehand but really try to change that upon meeting. It’s the full BFE lol - “don’t you trust me? Don’t you like me? Dont you want it as much as I do …” etc etc 
I discussed this with one provider who said in addition to it making it harder to … stay harder … there’s an assumption that clients asking for safe really do want it bare, and the request is some fetish where they want that overturned etc
I’ve also been stunned that some providers don’t have condoms with them (but have every toy, outfit, party consumable you can think of)
And these are all folks who say they offer safe on their profiles (else I wouldn’t be engaging with them).

I don’t think these are authentic posts. This guy is stringing us along just for the fun of it. Nobody can be this stupid. We’re being jerked around. 

Awful experience. I wish I saw this thread before booking with him. He was rude too