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For a hookup - yes I agree. For a paid encounter with a provider I would expect the provider to have everything needed for what is mutually understood to be the experience. And yes the client should have back-up but failing that the hierarchy of responsibility is on the one who is paid. I wouldn’t go see my doctor, lawyer, dentist etc expecting to have the same field knowledge in my brain or equipment they need for the appointment in my backpack.

That’s a separate issue from assessing a providers professionalism on whether or not - for a premium product they are offering - they have taken care of the basics I’d be fine if a provider texted as I was on my way (or he was on his way) and said “this is really embarrassing , but I’m out of lube and don’t have time to go get more before you get here … could you bring some / do you have some?” - at least it would mean they had thought through the experience they were responsible for.

I have mixed feelings about this - it has happened to me frequently though perhaps not on this scale. on the one hand we are donating for providers time - regardless of what goes on. but there’s an element of liberty taking if choose to extend time (separate from if extra time is needed because of client choice or approval) I try to clarify why we are going over whenever it happens and nip it in the bud when it’s clear there is expectation of extra $. happily there have been many occasions where we have gone over because the provider said something like “I have nothing else, let’s keep going” or “I’m enjoying this as well” or most graciously “we lost time because I did xyz so let me make it up to you” - but I don’t expect it to be the norm

He’s definitely not the only one among providers I’ve come across (not necessarily engaged). And I’ve likely missed others - it’s not an easy question to ask, while some handle it very professionally in tone (even then who knows if it’s accurate or they’re telling the truth) others can get extremely annoyed, convey they feel insulted etc. The misrepresentation can’t be justified … but maybe there’s warped logic for them in their interpretation of “equivalence” of their actual status to that they list … in terms of public health implications. And there’s the obvious point that they may lose some business based on people using that as a selection criteria. (And I’m not singling out providers here - I think it occurs frequently in online hookup profiles as well).

I’ve learnt the painful way (being publicly shamed and losing a friend who was insulted by my ignorance) that I needed to get familiar with the science of undetectable status. As with prep, It can take some getting used to if you’re from the generation that was told condoms are the only barrier between you and potential death. Anyone active not familiar with what undetectable means should read and research, don’t just rely on us here. But remember, relying on someone just relaying their status (undetectable or on prep) should not be sufficient even if it is 100% accurate as of the date they received results (and I’ve come across many who’ve lied for whatever reason).

As I’ve related elsewhere I’ve frequently had providers refuse to meet because of a conversation on playing safe before confirming (even though their profile says they offer it), or trying to get me to change my mind once we do meet even if they’ve agreed. I carry my own because I’ve lost count of how many providers don’t have them but have every other exotic product, toy, etc you can think of. I sometimes get a bit of satisfaction quashing that brief glint of “I don’t have any, damn, we’ll have to go ahead without them”.

Did he charge for 1 hour or 3?

Unless there is collective action (eg unions) or enforcement of pricing controls (the point about providers not being willing to accept certain prices) this will be a very free market - much more so than most things we purchase. And there may well be shocks that further disrupt pricing (eg legalization - see price of weed). I think one area affecting pricing that we haven’t discussed much supply. What happens if more providers come on-stream (layoffs, the need to supplement incomes as costs increase etc) - or quit the field (perhaps as they can’t make it work with the prices). That will also affect pricing locally as well as nationally.

Maybe this is why some US providers get irritated when someone asks them rates and they say “it’s all on my profile …” they think it’s there but isn’t visible to everyone

And if the clients, at some point in time, can’t or won’t pay those prices … market forces suggest those rates should come down. It’s not what the escorts, established or otherwise, set, it’s what the market tolerates. This is the US, not USSR And of course this means the prices should go up in the opposite scenario.

Yes, and keeping an eye on the daily layoff lists (Google, Facebkkk. Zoom etc) the clients are facing the same pressures

I don’t see last minute slashing or rates or even discounts as a sign of not being professional or running counter to inflation. In many ways the opposite. Analogy is the gourmet restaurant at the end of the day selling things at markdown rather than throwing them away (which they might have done in the past in less inflationary times) $150/hour, last minute, your rate goes back to whatever it was when people ask and jn the morning … is better than zero

The only thing I’d add is one can be surprised how economics can change for the most experienced providers when their night comes to an end and they stare at their takings for the day / week / month

Bizarrely I’ve been asked once or twice when finalizing details on online dating apps to confirm I’m not charging … I’ll take that as a compliment

Apparently the flushing and Roosevelt Ave ones were popular pit stops for cabin crew from JFK and La Guardia between shifts - without having to come all the way into Manhattan

I wonder if the one on Wall Street itself was a place to get deals done!

Just curious, based on reading between the lines on comments I’ve heard every now and then … Do you (a provider) ever hire another provider? (1-on-1)

I have heard given the room for negotiation that some providers like, if they are based in the US where it’s less expected to publish rates, many prefer not to

Don’t know him, but to be fair, he may have already had it and thought that made him immune (as many did at that time)

Well if looking to hook up (ie for free) he may have more selective criteria for a meet. And providers are often lurking in the online dating apps with the link to their RM site ready to go if one doesn’t get the hint in the back and forth on what they’re really there for.

These were all gone by the time I first visited NY … hence my original point about people then referring to the old glory days.

I don’t negotiate (unless it’s about extra time or something once initial appointment is underway). However I’ve found a polite no after a high quote is often followed by the request for a negotiation or the offer of a discount. My favorite recent one: - starts at $500 (around 10am) - my “no” is followed by a series of “i Know my worth, I have no problem finding quality clients who have the means etc” - goes down to $350 (around 2pm) - goes down to $250 (around 8pm) - text in the middle of the night, “I really need this appointment and think so do you, $150 if you can get here in the next hour”

Reminded me of a bizarre experience: As a provider takes me up to his hotel room he asks “do you like groups?” And while opening door the I see he has a friend there … I say I’m not donating more than agreed and I’m told the other guy is free as they’re sharing a room and it’s late and he has nowhere else to go. I ran out claiming I felt ill and it was nothing to do with them (my gut said this was weird and scary so get out without angering them). I got abusive texts the whole night saying I owed him double the amount discussed (for 2 people).

Challenge accepted Didn’t know the names of the venues but had a mental picture in my earlier post. Here are some random references from a quick internet search. 1. Wall Street Sauna https://gaycitynews.com/wall-street-sauna-shuttered/ 2. Mount Morris Baths (Harlem) https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/19/nyregion/mount-morris-journal-a-gay-bathhouse-in-harlem-hey-it-s-no-secret.html 3. Northern Men’s Sauna (Flushing) https://spartacus.gayguide.travel/saunas/northamerica/usa/newyork/nyc/12493_Northern Men's Sauna 4. El Mirage on East Houston https://www.villagevoice.com/2005/11/29/ny-mirror-456/ Roosevelt Ave and Times Sq will need more research … a friend I asked about them after I was drawing a blank said the TSQ location was actually closer to Herald Square / west 30s. And the one I called Roosevelt Ave was actually on one of the large cross streets.

Don’t know anything about those on your list but I note they are mostly “versatile” or “versatile top”. I’m sure I’ve seen several discussions on this subject here so apologies to those who don’t like repeats, but given what you say is your criteria aren’t you better off filtering for someone who describes himself only as “top”?