SouthOfTheBorder

Does anyone have experience subscribing to porn channels on privacy.com.br or onnowplay.com ? seems like these are Brazil versions of OnlyFans/JustFor Fans mainly interested to know if the sites are secure for credit card payments or any other comments

lol - in my first NY apartment, there was a female provider on my floor. EVERYBODY knew. It wasn’t really discussed as she was discreet & a lovely person/neighbor. She had small client list with the same guys coming & going at reasonable hours. If it had been random/different people at all hours, I imagine that would have been a problem. NY apartment dwellers and building staff know everything that goes on, especially on the same floor. There are no secrets & they all gossip.

good question re; types of guys. From my recent visits - most of the working men are guy next door types, depending on your country of residence Most were very fit and lightly muscled with a few twinks and a few I’d consider bearish. It was not overrun with twinks as some posts here indicate. I can see where some older guys may perceive “twink” just because as a whole, it’s a younger group of men working - I didn’t see it that way tho. There were no steroid bodybuilders or huge muscle guys. Thermas did have some bodybuilders around before the pandemic, I haven’t seen them there since. The majority of the working guys are Brazilian & same as you’d find at Lagoa - a few have actually worked at Lagoa which is not surprising. Age range is 20 -35 with the majority in the middle. In BCN, there seems to be some cross-over between sauna guys and online guys, however very few. The sauna guys can be taken off-site for 100euros, but that’s not for a full hour - more like 40 minutes. Standard rate for online guys is 150/per hour - if they think you are American/Canadian/Australian the quote is frequently higher. Research all the online sites in Spain (Hungz, Telechapero, Rentmen) & when making contact do not tell them you found them on RM - that’s almost always a much higher rate because it’s the go to site for Americans. Also helps if you contact people from a non-US identifiable phone number if possible. And use google translate to Spanish even tho that is obvious sometimes. If an online guy quotes more than 150hour, find someone else because there are plenty. A provider friend in BCN recently gave me a stern warning to be very careful with online guys because of frequent & heavy drug use (crystal meth) it’s very common and leads to other things like petty theft, performance issues, etc. There is some drug use in the sauna too, but mostly just smoking weed. In BCN, the sauna is the best choice for most as you can see exactly what you’re getting in a controlled safe environment with lots of options. I like to stay very close to Thermas so I can come & go as it’s open 24/7. They don’t allow re-entry, so that’s an extra cost but minimal for what you get. Lots of good restaurant options within a block or two makes it all very easy, safe & civilized. PM me if you need hotel recommendations. Enjoy !

good ! There are very few of these type saunas remaining with most of them in Brazil. The Thermas facility is definitely bigger than the new Lagoa. And it feels bigger than Pointe 202 & 117. It gets very crowded for sure, but doesn’t feel absolutely packed like the Brazilian saunas mainly due to Thermas larger facility. There is no such thing as waiting for a room at Thermas because there is always somewhere to go - there are lots of free cabins there that will do for 30 minutes. Don’t pay too much attention to going during peak hours - I think that’s a big mistake for most, especially if unfamiliar with the layout and guys. My best experiences have been off-hours when it’s not crowded. On my last visit, I went on a Saturday at about noon - the cashier told me there was only one working guy there and 3 other customers. I didn’t have any other plans, so I thought why not just enjoy the facilities for a while ? Within 30 minutes I met one of the most beautiful, gifted and kind Brazilian garotos anywhere. I spent a couple hours with him in sessions and having drinks & chatting (he spoke enough English to get by). I left the sauna at 3p as the working guys were streaming in. Went to hotel, took a nap and returned for round two at 7p as the crowd was starting to thin-out. The moment I walked through the door on the return, I met one of my all time favorites and spent the rest of the night with him. Success in the sauna doesn’t require any special expertise - other than an awareness that you are being watched, sized-up & discussed by the boys. Treat them all with respect and don’t waste their time unless you’re really interested. The guys I know from there all take pride in their appearance and go the extra mile in personal hygiene - they appreciate it when clients do the same. A prepared client who is polite, respectful & generous is a popular client who can get whatever they want. While the base rate is 50, tipping for extraordinary service is appropriate and small tips to the attendants and bartender goes a long way too. If you can manage some basic Spanish, that’s a game-changer. I’m a huge fan of Thermas and have so many great memories from there. Happy to share.

go to Barcelona - pick a hotel within walking distance to Sauna Thermas. You’ll have the best of both worlds - a sauna venue with plenty of choices & extensive online options. All in a very safe environment & nice hotels at reasonable price points.

fyi - the going rate at Thermas is 50euro. Not 40, not 70. It’s 50 now (as of a week ago) and it’s been 50 for as long as I can remember. Keep in mind that for 50, you get about 30 minutes, more or less. It’s absolutely not for one hour. Instead of asking how much, it might be better to just confirm that you know it’s 50. If you’re told otherwise, then walk away from that person because they just failed the first test & it’s unlikely to improve. I could potentially see some discussion for a higher rate if requesting something specific that is not routine. And I’d be careful about that because the very best guys will usually decline the moment something gets complicated. And be careful of the guys that approach you immediately with pressure. The guys in demand don’t operate that way. btw - Thermas is better than ever. Something for everyone, very clean facility, polite staff & completely safe. No drag shows or other distractions. Majority of guys are Brazilian, Venezuelan, Colombian & Dominican. All things considered, it’s way better than Lagoa or any of the Rio saunas.

this is also a major difference between the two cities - São Paulo is a global city and the financial capital of Latin America. Better restaurants, better hotels, basically better everything compared to Rio - unless the beach is something you can’t live without. And even then, prepare to be robbed. Really depends on the type of tourist you are and your requirements. If you like fine dining, beautiful hotels, a safe & sophisticated environment, then São Paulo is for you. If you don’t mind subpar sketchy beach hotels, mediocre food and constant danger, then Rio is your destination.

no - actually you jumped into this thread to respond to @mixer17 this is how trolls do it: manipulate the conversation to start the political controversy that you really want…..& is now banned here. have you ever been to São Paulo or Rio ? Let’s hear about that & how it compares re: personal safety to other places. Or, extra precautions that may need to taken, or places to avoid when in Brazil.

this is a thread about São Paulo, Rio and attendant safety concerns. But thanks for hijacking it to make your political talking points. Well done

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agree - and there is a Brazilian crime problem, which may be comparable to some other places. Then there is a separate & different Rio crime problem against tourists that is unique, mainly due to geography & demographics: meaning a couple of very small beachfront areas where wealthy foreign tourists congregate, which are surrounded & adjacent to several high-crime favelas. Then add a very corrupt Rio police force & it’s creates the perfect conditions for crimes on tourists en masse. There is no other global tourist destination with these unique dynamics at play. Of course, it’s important to note many of Rio tourists are seeking paid sexual encounters with unknown people and/or seeking out drugs. What exactly would anyone think could happen under these circumstances ? To try to make a comparison, start with major global sex tourist destinations that have millions of wealthy foreign tourists descending in a tiny area surrounded by the most violent high crime/extreme poverty areas in the subject country. Hint: there is no other place with all the same variables and the corresponding crime against tourists. Lots of people here don’t want to acknowledge the additional risks that exist for sex-tourists in Rio, visiting Copacabana and/or Ipanema. Much better to be realistic about it & prepare vs “it could happen anywhere” I’ve been to Rio at least a dozen times. And it was great when I was younger. Now, I no longer wish to vacation in a place that requires so much extra vigilance & extra security considerations. It’s just not fun or relaxing. São Paulo is now my Brazilian destination of choice, without all the crime & close-in favelas. Easy to get into trouble in SP too, but much less likely. Stay in Jardins near Paulista and then crime equals or is less in comparable areas in major European cities btw - hotels & restaurants in Rio are dumps compared to SP.

I have no doubt that many providers are treated poorly by clients - either flaking, stalking and/or other inappropriate behavior. When things don’t go the clients way, then Karen comes out to get revenge - and that happens here, unfortunately. I know of at least two members here that use this forum to actively stalk providers - they also stalk some other members here. Some have openly threatened people in these threads. Does that sound stable ? Let’s be real - there are unstable members here, too. It’s not just some of the providers.

agree - yet, there are multiple posts here from people doing precisely that. some might think it’s cool to do a “favela tour”. or, they think the American media has wildly overblown the criminal elements in the favelas. And then there are just some really stupid people

agree the maps were to make two points: first, in Rio the tourist areas are surrounded by favelas & adjacent, thus the need to be extra vigilant. second, the situation is completely different in SP where favelas are nowhere close to tourist areas. it was to illustrate the difference between the two cities for those who don’t get it. It’s a subject of ongoing debate here for some reason

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the member referenced has a long history of verbose/pretentious/incomprehensible ramblings that he posts mainly because he has so much time, evidently. an expert on everything, yet all his time devoted to various online forums - this is just one. he’s actually improved a bit lately (believe it or not) because he’s still carrying on the charade that he’s not operating under several aliases, here & elsewhere. Nobody is supposed to know, but basically everyone does. FWIW where art thou Riobard ?? As for the OP question - I think a reliable sex-worker is more fastidious about their health & preventative measures than the average person on the apps, condoms or not. Everyone has different preferences & it’s not productive living in fear and/or shaming others for their choices.

and then there’s JD Daniels - and the notorious Escort of the Year I never really understood the drama ??

agree. And I’d say from experience that at least 40%-50% providers arrive late with a variety of reasons. I don’t mind 15-20 minutes, when it gets to be an hour or more, then it’s just rude. In NYC they will usually blame it on the trains. In LA, it’s ALWAYS traffic. Might be true some of the time. But some just seem over-scheduled & figure that the client will wait vs start the entire process over again with someone else. Now I usually let them know when confirming the appointment that I have a firm start time with other things to do after. I also ask which part of town they’re coming from to understand the commute. If I get the sense that arrival time will be an issue, I tell them more than 20 min late and I’ll have to cancel. Problem solved. If I’m going to them, they get the same exact courtesy - I get there on time. As for getting lost - pretty easy to troubleshot that if the provider or client knows that getting to their place can be confusing. Then you give extra instructions to minimize chances for getting “lost”.

agree & that makes sense. it’s easy to identify favelas and place them on a map for reference. much more difficult to show areas of dangerous street crime because that likely fluctuates a bit - except in SP, maybe for the area in front of Se, which seems entrenched. last time i was in SP, i visited Se/Cracklandia & Luz during the day. However, I was with two Brazilian friends from SP and even they were extremely cautious and wanted to get out of there fast. A gringo (anyone not Brazilian) who doesn’t speak Portuguese venturing into these areas (high crime areas and/or favelas) is a recipe for disaster. But, I’m absolutely sure many will do it anyway.

you’re really overthinking this. an abundance of caution is always a good idea when meeting someone new, but hotel staff in general, have seen just about everything and you are very unlikely to have a problem with that. The hotel staff won’t give anyone a second look unless they somehow appear to be entirely out-of-place or some other bizarre behavior. If I’m meeting someone new at hotel, I always meet them in the lobby or preferably in the bar in full view of hotel staff. There are two reasons. First, I want to make sure everything is ok with the provider - meaning he looks his pics, he’s not on drugs or anything else that may cause me to decline the appointment. If I decline the appointment for any reason at that point, I’d pay half the fee for my decision to cancel without receiving any services. Second - I want the hotel staff to see me with this person in public. This creates a situation where the provider knows he has been seen with me & it lessens the probability anything bad could happen. It’s still possible, but less likely. It’s all about your personal safety. Noise from hotel rooms is common - kids screaming, TVs very loud, parties in rooms, etc. Hotel staff will intervene only when a guest complains and then only if it’s at night when people are trying to sleep. They call the room first and usually politely ask you to curtail the noise - they do not call police as a first step & would only do that in an ongoing egregious situation when you refuse to comply. The chances of police at your door are just about zero. If this is your first time, then of course there will be anxiety and some fear of the unknown. Just remember your personal safety comes first always and prioritize that, not what the hotel staff might think. They do not care.

correct - also it’s interesting to look at the maps of favelas in Rio & São Paulo for comparison, that was compiled by US Embassy in Brazil. Maps of U.S. Citizen Caution Areas - U.S. Embassy & Consulates in Brazil BR.USEMBASSY.GOV The caution area maps shown below were created to help U.S. Citizens travelers avoid potentially... In Rio, there are several favelas directly adjacent to tourist areas in Copacabana & Ipanema - and others in Zona Sul. The favelas are literally on top of the areas where wealthy foreign tourists gather in a very small geographic area. By contrast - there are no favelas anywhere close to areas in São Paulo where most tourists stay. This partially explains the crime differential tourists may experience between Rio & SP, with Rio being more dangerous or more simply where a tourist is more likely to be a crime victim. Of course, if a tourist in São Paulo ventures into the more seedy areas like Republica although not technically a favela - the likelihood of crime greatly increases. It’s really not complicated- although seems to be an endless subject of conversation here. Your chances of being a crime victim are exponentially greater in Rio, compared to SP, assuming you stay & move about in areas that are common to most tourist visits. The wild card, of course is how careful or careless the tourist may be. All things being equal, SP is way safer.

I chuckle at the irony of your comment - which to me seems ultimately an attempt at normalizing, condoning, endorsing use of crystal meth. comparing it to the main subject matter of this forum is a false equivalency. Hiring providers is legally problematic in only a few countries (mainly US) and the clients generally aren’t on a path of addiction and/or self-destruction. While I’m aware of some who may have a sexual addiction, I’ve never heard of support groups or programs for those trying to escape addiction to providers. Contrast that with the known health crisis of crystal meth use & addiction throughout the US (and many other countries) & especially in the gay community. Go to any major US city and find multiple CMA meetings for those trying to beat their addiction. For those who want to do it, then by all means go do it. And I suppose that requires a certain level of self-delusion to somehow think things will be different for you. Btw - most meth users say they do it because they can then do things they wouldn’t normally do sober. Think about that. Links below from New York Times re: gay meth crisis and City of New York meth fact sheet https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/22/opinion/gay-meth-addiction.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare Gay Men Are Dying From a Crisis We’re Not Talking About https://www.nyc.gov/assets/doh/downloads/pdf/survey/msm-crystal-meth-2023.pdf

From the US Embassy in Brazil: the country of Brazil is designated as Level 2 which means “Exercise Increased Caution” Then there are additional warnings for specific areas such as favelas & they are designated as Level 4 which means “DO NOT TRAVEL”. US Embassy & other US government personnel are forbidden to enter these areas. Link below for maps of several Brazilian cities showing the known favelas Maps of U.S. Citizen Caution Areas - U.S. Embassy & Consulates in Brazil BR.USEMBASSY.GOV The caution area maps shown below were created to help U.S. Citizens travelers avoid potentially... Informal Housing Developments (commonly known as “Favelas”) – Level 4: Do Not Travel Do not travel to informal housing developments (commonly referred to in Brazil as favelas, vilas, comunidades, and/or conglomerados), even on a guided tour. Neither the tour companies nor the police can guarantee your safety when entering these communities. Even in these communities that the police or local governments deem safe, the situation can change quickly and without notice. While some informal housing developments have clear boundaries or gates, or even names such as “favela”, “vila”, “comunidade”, or “conglomerado”, other such developments may be less obvious, and may be identified by crowded quarters, poorer conditions, and/or irregular construction. In addition, exercise caution in areas surrounding these communities, as occasionally, inter-gang fighting and confrontations with police move beyond the confines of these communities. Except under limited circumstances and with advance approval, U.S. government personnel are not permitted to enter any informal housing developments in Brazil.

true - and those same people are terrorized by the gangs & drug dealers that actually run the favelas. nobody lives there by choice because of the dire circumstances. I guess naive tourists could somehow perceive it differently. one of the purposes of this forum is to try to help others stay out of trouble when traveling to destinations discussed. In this case Rio. You evidently know more than the locals, the Brazilian media and all the members here who have shared their actual experiences Bravo for the Oscar award winning virtue signaling performance though. Which seems to be the entire point.

In Rio, favelas are very close to almost everything - it's not an unusual thing. They surround all the popular beaches. The favelas are full of gangs, drug dealers, weapons, desperate people & immense poverty. so when they see the rich foreign tourists wandering about & some of them very stupid - of course they're going to rob them