Simon Suraci

This is the same guy as AlexNov, previous thread link below. Red flag that he keeps changing his name and cities (unless he’s just traveling?) I got a 4-hand massage from him a few years ago in San Diego with his porn star bf at the time. No massage skills whatsoever, but very attractive. Limited English language, in case that’s important to you, maybe isn’t. YMMV for escort services - I did not hire him for more than massage.

There is no clear-cut, definitive answer to this; it’s different for everyone. I recommend asking for exactly what you want and see who provides it. Or simply hire any of the vetted masseurs with positive comments from other clients posted here on company of men and see what they do. Evaluate a few and keep hiring the providers who best fit your needs.

Wow, what a lively discussion topic! Better communication on both sides would certainly help. If a provider is going to respond at all, he can do the polite thing and explain his minimum session length is X for Y dollars. He did, but in a very blunt way. In this case, I can see why a provider wouldn’t be bothered to respond at all to an off putting request like this, especially if they are in high demand. The industry by and large just doesn’t work the way this client wants. Exceptions on minimum one hour appointments (and good reasons for why that is) are already noted in the thread, but those are exactly that - exceptions. I don’t really care if the client is lying. Bargaining behavior, intentional or otherwise, is a huge red flag. Same thing with begging, asking for pity, inviting the provider into the client’s personal drama, and so on. Still, a good provider will take the high road and give a clear, firm, if not polite, response. I’m not perfectly patient or polite 100% of the time, but I try my best to be professional, straightforward, and courteous…even to a client I’m quite positive I will never see, based on their approach. Sometimes they don’t like the answer. Tough. Clients are paying for experiences, not time. It’s a bit different for massage than escorting, but the concept is the same. If it’s a bad experience that lasted the agreed upon time, the client is still not happy, but they must pay the agreed upon fee. If it’s a good experience and the client decides they want to wrap up early, that’s fine! They still pay the agreed upon fee. The time is more about having boundaries. I watch the clock to manage my time so that I can honor the next client booked right afterward, or any other commitment I have. If I have no hard commitments right after the session and going longer is actually giving more value to the client, I don’t mind going over. I’d rather give the client maximum value and therefore maximum reason to return, refer, review, or tip. By the way, I offer 30 min massages, but they are not full body. People book them here and there. I have a college student client who can’t afford much but loves to see me. He books 30 mins to fit his budget. I massage him and during the session I coach him on techniques to curb his premature ejaculation issues.

Anyone interested in hiring me to tag along for a portion of their stay? And/or massage services? Would be great to meet many of you and chat poolside wearing nothing but a smile and sunscreen. I could use help applying sunscreen.

No, not at all 😊

That’s really messed up. I’m sorry he took advantage of you. It’s commonplace the whole bait-and-switch, then try to extort you in person routine. Many don’t give a massage for the whole time, say 10, 15, 30 mins tops, much less a quality massage. Or even a massage at all! Thank you for reporting him here. He won’t last long if he’s treating people this way. For every one of you, there are probably a handful of others who give in to the extortion tactics, sadly. Otherwise there wouldn’t be a motive or market for this kind of provider behavior. Eventually it will catch up to him, it always does. He’s not a masseur. From his RM profile: “Fitness Model & Content Creator” Be wary of ads like this. They are MODELS, not masseurs. That’s the service, not massage. You’re paying to be in close proximity to someone pretty and/or an influencer somewhat “famous” (not really). He’s similar to a stripper in that sense, except these guys don’t dance or even create a fun atmosphere. He’s used to being put on a pedestal online for his content creation which he curates no doubt together with other hotties. It’s a narcissistic echo chamber. Nothing wrong with creating content and getting paid for it. But there’s a great deal wrong with marketing yourself as a masseur and offering nothing resembling that service, and extortion for promised but not provided services to boot. Seems a stretch to say he doesn’t do xyz. His profile has hole flexing videos for crying out loud! Apparently everything is on offer, but probably only for outrageous prices, I’m sure. Any idea what he was charging for typical escort services? If you’re in San Diego again, come see me. I will give you a high quality massage, be upfront about everything, and follow through on it. No games, no guesswork, no pressured upselling nonsense. FYI I’m moving back there in a few months, in August 2023.

Lol! When this comes up, it’s usually the client who wants to be the little Dutch boy, or some version of it. I keep an open mind…and an open wallet for those that want to pay for exactly what they want!

Posting links to existing related posts: helpful. Scrolling past something you’re uninterested in viewing: go for it! Bemoaning someone using the forums for their intended purpose: not helpful.

Not unusual at all. Very common. Most are too embarrassed to ask. Not every provider offers this, so it’s good to know. Be polite and respectful when asking. Most clients love it even if they don’t ask for it. Only a few truly don’t like it. A lot would like it a lot but they are not clean or prepared for prostate play and so most masseurs won’t go there if they can tell that’s the case. As always, the masseur has to read the room, and the client should definitely indicate verbally or physically that they like something or don’t like it so we don’t waste your session time on stuff you don’t enjoy. Many of my clients have either never had their prostate massaged before or never had it done properly, so they wrongly believe they don’t like it at all or are apprehensive to try it. So many total tops, straight guys, first timers and the like turn into voracious bottoms under my care 😜 🍑 😊. It’s quite common for someone to have a “happy middle” while face down, in addition to, or instead of a HE. Sometimes two happy middles! Something in the air or maybe it’s just my talent! After so many years of experience and consistency therein, I’ve concluded the latter… So yes, I encourage the question, and at least for me it’s a YES (but please be clean for Christ’s sake). I have purpose built shower attachment equipment for anyone who needs it. No excuses. I walk you through everything you need to do for an efficient, thorough, pleasant and healthy preparation experience. And you don’t have to keep the equipment at home - perfect for your discretion and/or convenience. As for other unusual requests, I concede on a case by case basis. Push-ups, no problem. Wear a particular piece of underwear, jock, etc., no big deal. For things requiring a lot of me outside the session like getting underwear dirty and ripe over a few days, I can’t do that. I have to be clean for other clients. If you want me to work out right before, I can’t guarantee my schedule allows for it. If a client books right before you, I’m working, not turning down that opportunity to earn. Any other unusual requests?

Thanks @MikeBiDude. I’ve tinkered with the driving focus feature with limited success in the past. Doesn’t always work, not sure why. Hoping there was some other way I haven’t found yet, but alas probably none yet to date. Appreciate the response! Thank you as well to @mike careyand @Rod Hagen. The trouble with the driving focus method is that it only auto-replies to existing contacts in your phone, not new random numbers. The people I really need the auto reply for is new clients not yet in my phone. They don’t know what to expect, and the auto reply reassures them I will get back asap. Existing clients know I’m reliable and will get back in a timely manner, so it’s not as necessary to auto reply to them. 🤷‍♂️

@MikeBiDude @mike carey @Rod Hagen Do any of you know how to set up auto text replies on an iPhone? I would use this feature to indicate I am working and will get back to someone asap after my current appointment ends, usually within 1-2 hours.

@TectonicThrust you’re welcome! It sounds like you are simply trying to convey in images what might be difficult to put into words to request directly of your provider. It seems like you’re wanting to express the elements you want included rather than reenact the video frame by frame. We deal with this stuff every day. We know what men like and we read body language to figure out what particular buttons to push for each one, because everyone is a little bit different. We can’t read minds though. Far and away, the best way to get those elements you want is to ask for them directly. Use words like rimming, fingering, prostate massage, jerk me off, stimulate my nipples, edge me, and so on and so forth. You can get more descriptive as needed, but really that’s all we need to know. It may be awkward or uncomfortable, but it’s not a big deal. We’re adults. We want you to be happy and therefore be more likely to return, tip, review, and refer. The best way to give you what you want is to know what you want, and for that you have to tell us. The video is not necessarily a bad thing considering your intent. I would caveat by explaining I like “x” or can you include “y”? And then point out specific things. That way we’re not interpreting that you want a reenactment of the whole porn style massage. You could use the video to help you talk through the elements you want to incorporate. If that helps you find the words, go for it. If your provider doesn’t offer a particular thing, better to know that upfront. Likewise if he does offer it, but possibly for an extra fee, or under his escort rate, best to work that out before you begin. It may be included, but now he knows just what to do to please you. Ask for what you want. It’s not as scary or complicated as you might imagine. We’re professionals. We won’t clutch our pearls.

So. Many. Opinions. Where do I even begin? 1. This is NOT a massage. It’s an escort session based around a massage “scene”. If your provider is charging regular massage rates for this, you’re getting discount sex work. Good for you. Bad for me because it places an expectation on the rest of us to provide discount sex work. Therefore, I do not recommend sending a video to your masseur, unless he is also an escort. If the video is what you want, that’s fine, just pay an escort an escort rate to do it. Inspector Clouseau is to a detective what a porn performer is to an actual skilled massage provider. 2. You’re settling for less. By sticking to a porn script, you’re missing out on some really good legit massages that are worth the fee AND in many cases still provide some of the same erotic elements on top of that, depending on the provider. There’s no massage skill here; it’s literally running his hands across the client’s body with no pressure and 5 mins later playing with his hole, with more sexual play to follow until you’re done. There’s nothing therapeutic going on here. 3. Unrealistic scope. The whole massage is 30 mins including the porn interview intro. Most massages are an hour or more to cover each area of the body. Many masseurs do exactly this kind of 30 min rub and tug routine and charge you for an hour. There’s a market for it and it sounds like you definitely are that market. That’s why we have so many guys advertising with no skill and charging the same or sometimes more than guys with quite a lot of skill. Nothing wrong with that when you know exactly what you’re getting and paying sex work rates for it, but please do not expect every provider to follow a porn script. This stuff is made for cameras, depicting fantasy, and getting off. It’s one of a genre videos that portray with gross inaccuracy what happens during a good legit massage, even a good erotic oriented massage. You deserve so much better for your coin! 4. Routine has little structure. Masseurs have a routine they adjust sightly based on client needs. We carefully craft our routines to cover your whole body, fit within the timeframe, and give you maximum therapeutic benefits. It’s best to tell your massage therapist in person exactly what you want, both erotic preferences and regular therapeutic things like sciatic pain, sore hamstrings, etc., so we can adjust and pace accordingly before the massage begins. Saying so in person leaves no record should a legal issue arise. Clients are coy about asking directly for what they want, so I understand that is a big ask. Still best if you can manage it. I would be hard pressed to abandon my entire routine, watch a video and try to recreate it. It’s forcing life to imitate art, and the art is a fantasy version of real life. Why not enjoy the source inspiration material from real life? It’s so much better. 5. More exciting not knowing. Part of the fun is not always knowing exactly what will happen, when, how, and so on. To each their own on that point. If you know exactly what you’re getting, there’s merit to that approach too. I recommend telling your masseur what elements you want, and not making him scrap his whole base routine to copy someone else’s script. 6. The rest of these are just peeves I’m sure nobody here cares about, but I’ll mention them anyway: 7. Baby oil is an amateur, common porn trope. Slathering it on, pouring repeatedly from the bottle and so on. There is no need for so much oil. This is not how we work. A good therapist will use quality products, and in the appropriate amount. 8. That table is way too low. To give appropriate pressure, I would have to bend and hunch over for an hour or more at a stretch, multiple times a day. That would wreck my back and put me out of work. PSA to other masseurs out there: use the right height for your body and work style. Your back will thank you. 9. Massage therapists and masseurs are not “masseuses”. This is the feminine form. Opinions vary on what massage therapists want to be called. A lot of us in the gay massage industry call ourselves masseurs, which includes untrained folks. Others may prefer massage practitioner or certified massage therapist, depending on norms and laws in their local jurisdiction, and training status. In any case, please stop using the feminine form. I never correct clients, but take it from me, being called a ‘masseuse’ is annoying and off putting, maybe even offensive to some. 10. Very, very few people on our tables look like the guys in these massage porn videos. Remember that when you fantasize your masseur will react the exact same way to your body as the actors playing the masseur roles do in these videos. If he does, tip him well. That’s some damn good acting.

^THIS. I get so many messages from potential clients exactly like those examples from @Jamie21. The client inquires and then ghosts. Some of them do the same thing weeks or months later, and ghost again. Sometimes multiple times. I still respond politely and in a timely manner, every time, because it’s my job. Dealing with this stuff is part of the work, and not letting the frustration get to me. A lot of providers just don’t have the patience for it.

I avoid establishing a hard line rule of # of hours to be considered a reasonable period of time. It varies, with something reasonable falling between 2-hrs and 24 hrs. Your provider could be on a flight with no reception when you text. Or sleeping during the night, or at their day job if they have one. They could be in a remote place with little to no reception for a time. Who knows. Most providers in most normal situations will get back to you within a few hours or less if they are going to respond at all. If a client wants to meet a particular provider, I highly recommend booking ahead a few days, or at least 24 hrs in advance. That puts you in a priority position so others have to book around your appointment or otherwise be out of luck because you planned ahead. If the client has a very limited window of availability, such as only a few hours after meetings while on a business trip in the provider’s city, then I recommend booking a week or more ahead, at least a few days. It’s unlikely the provider will be available during that particular limited window on short notice that same day/night. If your first choice provider does not respond within a reasonable time, you can safely assume it’s unlikely to work and move on to contacting alternate ones. If your schedule is more flexible on day/time and you’re both in the same city for a period of time, it may be worth trying again. If they don’t respond at all, bad sign, move on. If you’re wanting company from any number of providers and you don’t particularly care which one exactly you are going to see, by all means, feel free to contact multiple for that same day/night, same hour / “right now” and see who responds. Some of them may be available on short notice and some won’t. Keep in mind when texting a provider same day or short notice, you’re asking in so many words if the provider is available to respond to your text at that very moment (or within that reasonable period of time after your text) AND available to fulfill your appointment time request which may only be a couple hours after that. In total, you might be asking for the provider to be “available”in some sense for half a day, from start to finish from the time you first text to the time to get ready, time for either of you to travel, to the time the appointment actually ends. Plus travel time after the appointment ends, if applicable. That’s a lot to ask of a provider on short notice. Sometimes you luck out and it works out just that easy. Oftentimes not. Which is why I recommend booking ahead, at least 24 hrs. More is better whenever possible. Planning ahead buys you a much better chance of getting exactly what you want with who you want, when you want. If your provider doesn’t respond within a day, you have the extra time to request alternates.

Trying to hire a provider for services they advertise by contacting them is perfectly normal. Following up or asking again is also normal, especially if they haven’t got back to you from the first time you reached out. If they haven’t got back to you by the second or third time you reached out, it’s safe to say move on. It’s good business for a provider to respond within a reasonable timeframe, even if it’s only to say, “sorry I am booked up for the day you requested, but here are the next times I am available”, something like that. No response past a reasonable timeframe might indicate they are already overwhelmed with business and don’t need/want yours. Or they’re poor communicators, or flaky, or any number of things you probably don’t want in a provider anyways. It’s a bad sign. If they can’t do you the courtesy of responding, you probably shouldn’t hire them. Keep in mind sometimes it can take hours or the next morning for a provider to respond. Days without a response is unacceptable. Here are some scenarios that a provider might choose not respond to: Demanding dick/ass/nude pics, especially if the provider is not an escort, or if all of these are posted publicly online. Writing impatient or angry remarks in all caps because the provider was working and did not immediately respond to a text within minutes. Rude or disrespectful comments, racist/sexist and similar remarks. Incomprehensible texts. Texts that seem like someone is drunk/high (it has to be pretty bad for that to shine through over a text). Texts in a language the provider doesn’t speak. Texts asking the same questions over and over, that the provider has already answered. Unreasonable requests, for example: asking a provider to travel hundreds of miles away within a few hours, for a 1-hr appointment, with no previously planned travel arrangements. If you’re communicating something that’s a big red flag to the provider, that may be the reason. Any of the above merit some response, even if it’s a brief statement saying the provider can’t/won’t see the client. A lot of providers just don’t have the patience or emotional willpower to do this, however. Not a good excuse, but it happens. Some known clients are blacklisted for being violent, not paying, or for other legitimate reasons. Sometimes it’s best for a provider to not to engage at all with someone they know is problematic based off the lists or other intel telling them the client is bad. If you’re being normal and reasonable and the provider is not responding, it’s their loss. You’re paying, so that’s lost business for them, and an opportunity for the client to seek out a more reliable, responsive provider who wants their business and is willing and able to work hard to get it. ‘Stalker’ may not be the best operative word for what I think you mean. When I hear stalker, I think someone is going out of their way to invade my personal space, find out where I live, where I work (i.e. at a day job), research and track down my family, unearth sensitive personal information, threaten me, follow my movements in public, harass me, and so on. Same goes for harassing over text, or being aggressive, not respecting ‘no’ for an answer, demanding things, trying to contact me after being blocked on multiple platforms, and similar obsessive behaviors. If you’ve reached out multiple times with no response, and you’re not ticking any of the red flag boxes, you’re definitely not a stalker, but I would seriously consider hiring another provider. Professionalism and respect are the minimum a client should expect in a good provider.

Technically yes. It’s way in the upper corner of Orange County. Alas: This is splitting hairs. For someone in another part of the country unfamiliar with the exact location of a lesser known city right on the border between counties, LA metro area is a good quick reference point without having to look it up on a map. Someone living in LA County, Orange County, or other areas of Southern California will know exactly where it is and what county. People in other parts of the country most likely will not, but they generally know where LA is. As a populated metro area, LA and Orange Counties blur together quite a bit along the county lines. Both populated areas on either side of it are part of the same general larger metro area, whether you want to call it OC or LA. Driving a few minutes between La Mirada and La Habra is hardly changing from one distinct metro area to an entirely different distinct metro area. Cities, yes. Counties, yes. Metro areas, no: More importantly, check Edras out. This location may be out of the way for most people traveling from out of state. One might visit Disneyland, coastal Orange County, Hollywood, WeHo, Santa Monica, or many other well known areas, but probably not La Habra unless you have family or specific business there. This is exactly why I want to highlight Edras, because he may not otherwise cross most people’s radar unless they already live near him.

To each their own. Our personalities make us unique and help attract the clients who will like us and get along best with us. Personally, I wouldn’t be afraid to showcase your individuality and personal expression, both on your ads and in person. Some will like you, some won’t. It’s normal. I try not to take any of it too personally. I keep an open mind and avoid stereotyping others. Everyone is different and worth your time and effort. What they expect (and maybe want) you to be may be different than how you actually are, and that’s ok. It’s not our job to entertain clients or play a character - at least not for massage. Maybe for escorts that has a whole other dimension, depending on the client. I find success in being unapologetically myself, listening well, being kind, and doing my personal best for each client regardless of how similar or different they are to me in terms of personality, age, race, or cultural background. You never know who will recommend you to others, even if they don’t mesh with your personality or style. Even without being their best friend or personal standup comedian, you can still give an excellent massage service worth returning for again and again. With some clients, it’s very social like coming into Dolly Parton’s beauty shop in Steel Magnolias, and for other clients it’s utter silence and total relaxation. Most are pleasant and like to chat a little bit before finding their quiet zen relaxation zone on the table.

https://www.masseurfinder.com/massage-therapists/24123/ This is Edras, my favorite massage therapist, hands down, of anyone I’ve ever seen in my life to date. He does excellent therapeutic work. He used to be in San Diego and was my regular. He’s in La Habra (LA metro) now. He’s one of the nicest, sweetest, kindest, most dedicated, attentive, hard working, and reasonably priced therapists. I miss seeing him in San Diego. La Habra is kind of out of the way, even for LA folks, but I want to give an unsolicited shout out to him. He’s definitely worth a long drive from another area of LA or from other cities in CA just to see him. This shouldn’t matter, and it doesn’t, but for most of you I know it does. He used to be heavier. Always thought he was damn sexy, with a bearish build, hairy, and naturally very masculine. Looking at his updated profile pics, he’s built up quite a fit body. Even sexier now in all the superficial ways even though his real sex appeal is his good nature and generous spirit. Highly recommend! Note, he’s therapeutic only. Do please respect his boundaries. These are not erotic massage or sex work rates he’s charging. Seriously though, one of the best massages ever! Also he’s mentioned on this older thread:

I hired Kyle a few years ago. Good guy, attractive, good therapeutic massage, good conversation. At the time, he made a point of seeing clients he was at least somewhat attracted to, which, as anyone on these forums will agree, is not how this business works. He said as much when we met. He put something to that effect on his ad years ago like requesting a prospective client send a photo. Maybe he’s changed? Since he’s still around working, I imagine he’s either not relying upon massage as his sole income (he had another job when I hired him a few years ago) or he’s changed his client vetting policy. He’s worth seeing, no doubt. I would not expect him to do extras or escort work for those rates, but maybe he does, who knows. Seems he’s choosy about what he does and with whom and whether he feels like it - at least that was my impression of his approach from our in person conversation. Others feel free to chime in since my experience is a bit dated at this point. I’m moving back to San Diego in August 2023. I’m considering reaching out to Kyle for potential collaborations like 4-hand massage. If anyone has intel, I would greatly appreciate it. I’m more inclined to ask him to work together if he’s wised up about opening up his client base.

A few guys around the DFW metroplex travel to Ft Worth for a nominal fee. Some charge quite a bit, understandably. Peak traffic time requests can also affect this calculation and willingness to travel. Some providers are more on the Ft Worth side, in the middle between Dallas and FW, and some scattered around FW. Incalls may be worth it for you those cases to cut down on your travel time and avoid a provider travel fee, but a lot more guys are based in and around Dallas and many of them will travel to FW. If you want outcall in Ft Worth, it probably won’t put a huge dent in travel fees, even though the middle guys are coming from a closer location than Dallas. Depends on the provider. IMHO, a 30 min drive to Dallas seems worth it for the right provider for your needs. A lot of Ft Worth area clients visit me in Dallas without hesitation because I am the best provider for them. A lot of them are regularly in Dallas anyway for other reasons like social functions, shopping, errands and whatnot. Some of them book me around those trips. For masseurs and masseurs who escort, I have a couple recommendations along those lines located more in the middle between Dallas and FW. At that point, you’re looking at 15 mins difference in driving distance vs just going to Dallas. Personally I would be more concerned with getting the right match than a really convenient location. Might be something you do on average monthly, or maybe even weekly if you hire a lot? Not too bad of a drive for that frequency or less. Dallas has many more options than FW.

This ^ Whenever a client has an issue paying, “forgot it in car” or what have you, I keep their wallet, phone, both, or something of value - at least their driver’s license until they come back to pay me. Sometimes I walk them to an ATM. There happens to be one a block away. Fortunately this rarely happens, and less so now that I accept several digital payment options. Cash is still king both for privacy and expediency. Mezcal is, by the way, delicious!

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I agree. It’s nice to know what they look like currently. Sometimes asking a provider a question like this signals (inadvertently) that you may not hire them if they answer the question in one way or another that doesn’t align with your preferences. It’s almost better to not have the contact at all than to hear directly from someone in so many words: “I would hire you if you looked x way right now, but you don’t, so I’m telling you directly to your face that you don’t get my business”. It’s kind of cruel, to be dramatic about it. At the very least it’s frustrating or annoying. The best providers develop a thick skin. When this happens, I say to myself ‘whatever’ and move on. I can’t change myself for one client, for one appointment, so oh well, their loss. I stopped caring about it so much and it’s been freeing. It’s tough. A provider can’t be all things at all times to all people. One day he may be shaved or trimmed, another naturally hairy. When you ask, it may help diffuse that bomb by mentioning that you’re just curious and that it’s not a dealbreaker. If it IS a dealbreaker for the client, that unfortunately aligns with many other typical conversations that end up where the client isn’t interested based on the response. Clients should know and it’s ok to ask, and it’s ok to have the preference. It’s even ok to not hire based on the response. From a provider’s perspective, it’s damned if you shave, damned if you don’t. The next client wants the opposite, the following client doesn’t care, and the following client after that prefers the reverse. That feeling of frustration is probably what set him off. True, he could have handled it much better, but reassuring the provider can help, especially if it’s not a total dealbreaker for you. In general, I recommend providers pick a lane. Be naturally hairy, or be groomed in a certain way to establish your look, which is part of your brand. That way clients know what to expect and you attract the ones who like your look, whatever it is. Unfortunately you miss out on the clients who prefer the opposite, but that’s part of the biz. People are fickle and they have preferences, no matter how shallow or seemingly insignificant in comparison to other arguably more important factors that make a great provider.

I’ve seen JD for massage. I recommend him wholeheartedly. Anyone feel free to PM me.