Simon Suraci

I saw Grant recently. Stunning guy in person, just gorgeous. Very masculine presence, if that does it for you. Terrible amateur massage, poor communication skills, rescheduled me just hours before my appointment, his hour massage lasts only a 1/2 hr…BUT you’re paying for the view, in this case of the oceanfront variety during golden hour, and he offers some limited extras. Considering the above, there’s no other way he could get away with charging what he does when you have much more competent masseurs from a technical and business standpoint. For some, I think he’s probably worth it, depending on your priorities. TBH I would recommend hiring him for escort services instead of massage. He offers them. Although I can’t speak to his escort service because I only hired him for massage, I have every confidence he would please many a client. FYI he’s a bottom. Grant is open to collaborations with me. Hoping to work with him soon, pending the right client request pops up that would be appropriate to bring him in.

Ideas guys, it’s just ideas to try, not a script lol 😂

Thanks for clarifying. This makes a lot more sense in context. Yeah I often wonder about the whole cops fishing for illegal activity thing, especially online. It’s best to be as prudent as possible and look for hiring or to be hired in the appropriate places. Not hookup apps and the like. Those just are not designed for that, so you’re innately going to get far more of the problem types on both sides of a hiring relationship. Let hookup apps be for…hooking up!

Yes! It’s part of engaging another culture. Remember, Americans, you’re on their turf wherever you may be visiting outside the US. Their norms are what matter when you’re visiting a different place, so educate yourselves and be open minded. In Morocco, I had many a cup of mint tea with the merchants while shopping in the souks. I actually love mint tea even with all the sugar Moroccans typically add to match my equally sweet tooth, but I understood that this was part of the business culture. It’s just what you do! It would be rude to refuse. Also, I got a lot of great deals that way. Price negotiation is also part of their culture and honestly, for me, part of the fun. I treasure those experiences.

If I’m interpreting correctly, each party was interested in paying the other for service? What a great indication of a mutual interest match. Truly.

Here is a copy of my rimmer’s pocket guide, this time formatted in black and bold for easier reading. Dark mode is so much easier on your eyes, guys. Anyway, for those who insist on living way back in the light ages... Rimming 101 1. Cleanliness. Be sure the rimmee is clean and prepared so there’s no anxiety about it. If either of you prefer natural, musky, sweaty, or not cleaned out at all, have good communication beforehand to get on the same page. 2. Foreplay. Get warmed up and build up some anticipation. Do not rush. Kiss, touch, oral (cocks), nipples, stimulate erogenous zones, neck, ears, pits, whatever gets both of you going. 3. Control. The rimmer should initiate rimming. Move your partner’s body, even throw him around a bit if you like. Indicate with your body language that his hole is yours and you’re taking it. Assuming you’ve both worked out some mutual consent beforehand. 4. Position. Some enjoy doggie style or 69 style rimming. These are fine to mix it up, but they offer less access and a suboptimal angle. You’re fighting to get in there to the best places. The first and primary position I recommend is with the rimmee on their back, at the edge of a bed or comfortable horizontal surface. A sling works well too. The important thing is both of you are comfortable, and the rimmer’s body is lower than the rimmee’s. Don’t strain your neck getting low. Raise your partner to a comfortable level and consider bolstering their pelvis with a pillow. You’re going to be in this position for a while and you don’t want to be preoccupied with fucking up your neck. You might also consider a knee pillow or something to cushion your knees. 5. Do not neglect his balls. Start with the taint and scrotum, and return to them periodically. Take advantage of how sensitive his scrotum is right off the bat and apply light pressure with your tongue, almost like running your fingertips over his body. This will drive him crazy. Run your tongue all the way up to the side of his cock and around each side of his scrotum. Then run down the taint and back up the middle of the scrotum. At points, return to this technique throughout the rimming session. It feels better and better the more turned on he gets. Vary the pressure at times, using your whole tongue with heavier pressure, and then medium, then light. Vary with using just the tip of your tongue. 6. Avoid over stimulating the opening or going inside too deep or too often. A lot of men just shove their tongue directly into the opening and try to worm their way inside. Do NOT do this. Rimming is a dance, a tease, and an extended buildup of pleasure. It’s all about anticipation, not arrival. By all means you can do the worm move, but use it sparingly, as a surprise, an accent, a flourish, not the main thing. It quickly gets repetitive and boring on its own, and you tend to overstimulate that way. 7. Magic button. This is the secret to mindblowing rimming sessions. For spatial reference, he’s lying on his back now, and you’re kneeling in front of him. Men have a very sensitive point above their opening, at the base of their taint. It’s not a button, more of a divet, a slight depression. Magic button is sexier than saying divet. Call it what you will. You can find it by running your tongue above their opening and finding some muscles running just to either side of it in a downward V shape. For those of you familiar with finding a clitoris, it’s not that far removed of a process, except there’s nothing sticking out to draw out. You have to find it buried within the tissue, almost like giving a deep tissue massage. (Damn, I’m good at my job!) The button is at the top of that V point, close to the outer edge of sensitive skin surrounding the hole, but still within it. It’s not inside the opening. Go above the opening. It takes a lot of practice finding the button. Don’t be discouraged. Practice, practice, practice. 8. Once you’ve found the magic button, press with the tip of your tongue into it. Vary your pressure from heavy to light. Maintain firm pressure, then release, then barely touch it. Switch up your stimulation techniques. Tickle it, tease it. Try everything you can to stimulate in just a little different way, and keep changing it. Vary your patterns and switch it up. The button is a powerful sensation point, but just like the glans penis, it’s not everything. Come back to it regularly but please keep a balance of stimulating ALL the areas around his hole. Do not overstimulate any one spot. That is KEY to your success. 9. Use your breath. Suck in air slowly, and then rapidly. Concentrate it in a small opening in your lips, or over your whole open mouth, and everything in between. When you suck in air, it cools the surface of his skin. It’s quite stimulating, especially when combined with other techniques at the same time or one right after the other. Similarly, slowly exhaling warm air will stimulate him in a little different way. The contrast between warm and cool is mesmerizing. Controlled breathing can even be part of your tantric practice if you want to incorporate it with your rimming skills. You can almost go into a trance. 10. Use your hair. If you have a beard, use it to your advantage. Push your chin up into the bowl of his hole and run it up and over across the taint and onto his balls. Use this technique periodically and return to it here and there. If your facial hair is particularly coarse, soften it with beard oil and conditioning products. Nobody wants steel wool on their asshole. If you have stubble, be VERY careful. It’s a hazard with rimming because you can get carried away in the moment and scratch him inadvertently. It really hurts. Stubble can be nice when used in a controlled way, but generally does not feel good on sensitive skin, especially for extended periods. If your chin is smooth or freshly shaven, use it similarly as mentioned above. It’s a different sensation but equally good to provide some variety. If you have long hair on your head, incorporate that stimulation into your routine. 11. Use your nose. Yup, that’s right. Don’t laugh, it’s seriously a great technique. Run your nose up and down, all over. Do the same breath techniques already mentioned, but through your nostrils. Press your nose directly into his opening. You don’t need to fuck him this way, just use pressure. It’s kind of like frottage in that way. Use your nose as a way to provide more and varied pressure everywhere, including the taint. Come back to using your nose here and there, but not for a long time at a stretch. As with any of these tips, do a little bit of everything. See what drives him crazy, see what sticks. Then withhold it from him and surprise him with it later…so much so that he squeals and begs! 12. Use your tongue. Obviously. What is not so obvious is to maintain variety. Use your whole broad tongue up from the ass crack all the way over his hole, up over his taint, past his balls, and lick his cock. Then try medium pressure, or less tongue contact, or just the tip, or light contact. Try slow, like VERY slow. That drives him nuts. Occasionally go faster, but not for the majority or for a long stretch. Too many men try to go too fast for too long. It’s too fucking much! Just calm down and take your time. It’s not a race. Please avoid: tickling and swaying with the tip of your tongue the way Eastern European porn actors kiss. It’s annoying. Be more intentional. Get more creative. 13. Involve his cheeks. Lightly bite or lick his ass cheeks. Use your hands. Rub your beard or chin against them. The hole is not everything. Cheek play provides more variety and more stimulation. 14. Hold his legs. Check in regularly. Sometimes he needs a break for his legs. Rimming can’t go forever otherwise he’s too raw. Find the right limit for you both, and don’t be afraid to move on to something else and come back to rimming later. Often rimming is foreplay leading to penetration, but it’s a worthwhile activity on it’s own. 15. Spread his cheeks. But not the whole time. Use this technique as another form of variety. The sensation is slightly different when you do this. Even better with the contrast of not doing it and then returning to it later. 16. Vary your motions. Try spelling something with letters across his hole, or whatever it takes to get you to avoid making the same dull motions over and over. Avoid too much monotony. Every 30 seconds change at least one item from the above list, by adding, changing, or taking away. Variety is paramount to your success. 17. Stimulate his cock. Rimming is about his hole, not his cock. However, feel free to add a little cock stimulation, a little lick, a little stroke, a little brush. This can be pretty sexy and gives more variety. If he’s hard, you might consider stroking him. If he’s soft, don’t worry, it’s completely normal and more typical for him to be flaccid. He can still be extremely turned on in this state, so do not take that as an indication of your success. His breathing, moaning, arching, verbal affirmations, and so on also tell you you’re both on your way to bliss. 18. Ditch the underwear. It’s sexy beforehand, but you need full access. Not just jockstrap level openness. You need the whole damn buffet on display to work your magic. Use all the tools in your box and use the whole box laid out in front of you, not just one corner. And if the box is only half open, rip off whatever is in your way and proceed with passion. 19. Most importantly, love what you do. If you’re not into it, it shows. [good] Rimming is not for everyone, certainly not the faint of heart. If you’re not into it, please save your partner the annoyance of performing a half-assed rim job, pun intended. 20. When he begs you to fuck him, you know you’re doing something right. 21. Advanced technique ***approach with extreme caution***: Biting the magic button. If and only if, and when you master the magic button, experiment with biting it. By that, I mean in a very controlled way. Softly. Think of the way you might nibble on someone’s earlobe, or maybe their nipples, but not hard like some guys enjoy their nipples tortured. Please do not attempt without consent, or without mastering the magic button. If you are not sure you have, you most definitely have not mastered the magic button. It takes a long time and lots of practice to even find it, much less master it. If you manage to do all of that, then consider experimenting with some light, controlled biting. It places pressure in a concentrated point where extreme pleasure is centered. Do not do this for an extended time. Only a little nip for a few seconds here and there. That’s all you need. It’s the cherry on top, not a scoop below.

I like your attitude here @Jaroslav . I think we can all benefit to remember we’re here for good reasons from sharing information to entertainment, to enjoying community. Disagreements and back and forth debates are natural. We don’t have to take them all that seriously. I can occasionally take it too seriously and then remember: oh yeah, duh, this is pretty low stakes stuff. I’m grateful we have the space to talk about everything we do on these forums. I’ve learned quite a bit so far. I like hearing other perspectives. I learn more that way.

@SirBillybob rivals even my long-winded contributions 😂

^This is an opinion.

Milking usually refers to prostate milking. You can include many other activities, but it typically involves manual stimulation of both the cock and prostate, often (but not always) simultaneously.

Correct, Americans can’t legally advertise their escort rates. Any new provider or provider profile in the last 5 or so years (maybe longer?) would never have been prompted to list their rates. There is no place to post rates. Providers with rate info would have had to post that at least several years ago, so definitely rates are out of date. Unless you’re driving 86 mph with a flux capacitor in tow … and manage to snag a sports almanac. Then you can hire whoever you want according to any of the rates posted online in 2015! And hire as many as you want, as often as you want. You might even host them at your own casino.

I’m interested too.

This confirms my general impression of twenty something Gen Z providers. If he wants to stay in the industry for any period of time, he will have to pivot his approach…Or diversify income with other work like OF or other, to support his penchant for pickiness in clients. More and more “influencers” and IG hotties manage to survive by making other content, advertising, or marketing other stuff. They don’t have to take most clients to make their coin. Their provider work is just gravy on the side, so they can afford to treat it much less seriously.

Cynicism gets us every time!

It can’t be 9/10, otherwise you would not have so many providers working for so long or so many positive discussions of providers here. The whole pic exchange scenario is common among new and inexperienced providers, and among those who don’t last long. Your experience may be tainted by all the constant new faces who disappear as quickly as they showed up. Good, reputable providers know how to handle themselves professionally. When you choose a reputable provider, either by info from the forums, a recommendation, or other source, you’re way less likely to get someone behaving unprofessionally.

You never need to provide a photo. A provider asking for one is indicative that they are new to the business, possibly unprofessional, or straight up want to monetize their sex life by picking and choosing whoever they would otherwise be willing to sleep with and charging. When a client offers a photo unsolicited, I get a little wary because it becomes an invitation to comment on it, like the client is expecting me to affirm how attractive they are (even when they are very unattractive). Attractive clients are particularly problematic because they expect me to fall all over myself trying to make them happy, or expect me to offer them discounts or free services. It puts me in an awkward position because I either have to say nothing or lie to them, whether they be attractive or unattractive. I prefer to avoid the whole asking for validation component. I’m going to see the client regardless of how they look, so it’s really unnecessary.

That can be arranged 😊 I’m in Dallas through July 2023, then off to San Diego starting August 2023.

I’m willing to bet we all agree on how gravity works, but we most certainly do not all agree on how to define human sexuality and its related terms. The analogy, therefore, simply does not apply. Sexuality is fluid. The question “is this provider straight?” presupposes that it’s a 100% black or 100% white issue. It’s not. A man can be straight and enjoy a m4m experience. Some would say he is not straight in that case. As far as the man is concerned, he still identifies himself as straight. Who is right? That whole discussion is a separate issue. How do we define straight, gay and other identities? WHO gets to decide what applies and what doesn’t and to whom? WHO decides on the exceptions and clarifies the nuances? You will never get 100% agreement from everyone on the answers to those questions - AND I’m not attempting to get agreement on those answers in this thread. That is why I put it aside; those answers are beside the point. I posit that sexual orientation and identity, however someone defines those, are irrelevant to a successful provider-client business transaction. My point is: a provider can market himself as “straight”, perform as if he’s straight, and deliver an experience the client wants. When the client believes the provider is straight (according to the client’s own definition of “straight”) and enjoys the experience, he’s happy. Nothing else is relevant. Period. Even if the provider is straight-for-pay, or technically bi, or whatever. Feel free to argue about how you define all of those sexual identity terms elsewhere. It’s an interesting discussion to have. However, with regard specifically to MY point, those definitions are irrelevant. Worst case scenario: the provider is not straight, knows it, and deliberately fools his clients by acting out a persona, a character. At the end of the day, if a provider markets himself as straight (but really isn’t), dupes his clients, and then sexually enjoys men in the privacy of his home and inner thoughts, that’s his business. The client doesn’t need to know. What difference does it make to the client as long as the client is convinced of the provider’s straightness? That’s still a successful business transaction for the client and the provider. That’s why I’m questioning how relevant a provider’s sexuality is in the first place. If he’s a good actor, all else works out regardless. And if the provider is genuinely straight (by any definition you want to apply), fine. Same outcomes. What does it matter?

Thanks for sharing. Yes, these are definitely perks of getting a massage at a spa or resort. I may have to try more then. Haven’t had much luck so far. You’re also right about the private guys - you can get a more erotic experience from someone attractive. The quality when you do that, however, varies widely. Private massages from someone highly skilled are difficult to find, but when I do I have no problem spending.

Switch to dark mode.

I actually agree with @Danny-Darkoon this point. When getting paid you do whatever you must to go through the motions to make a client happy. For those clients who want straight men, I’m assuming part of the fantasy is that the provider is genuinely straight so he’s willingly doing something you know he wouldn’t otherwise want to do or be willing to do without payment. I’m intentionally ignoring that sexuality is fluid reality for the sake of argument. It’s a power thing, where money is the power. Evidence of, or impression of, the provider being straight i.e. must play straight porn, etc. reinforces that the client has power over someone he normally wouldn’t have power over in the real world. That’s a rush, I get it. “Everything is about sex, except sex. Sex is about power.” Every experience is a little different. You can connect with someone on a friendly level which helps on the physical front. Also, you can STILL not be genuinely straight, play a straight character, perform, and make a client happy. As long as the client is successfully duped, no harm no foul. The client got the experience he wanted and is none the wiser. All are happy. In that case it doesn’t matter if the client is “actually” straight (again, nuances out the window for the sake of argument), it only matters that the client BELIEVES the provider is genuinely straight. Aside - it is possible to be violated when you’re hard. Orgasm does not always mean you’re into what’s happening. The same applies for consensual situations. Ask any closeted gay man who has sex with his wife on a regular basis. I know a few of those.

I struggle justifying the cost. You’re right, more clients use RentMasseur. I would be willing to pay more for RentMasseur and less for MasseurFinder but I value both, so they cancel one another out. Every time I seriously consider dropping MF, I gain a good new client from it. Also, MF keeps increasing prices, so if you cancel the service and re-join later, they charge you even more than they did before. Yikes. The weekly specials feature on MasseurFinder regularly brings in new business. I’d use a specials feature on RentMasseur if they had one. MF clients are better, on average, than RM clients.

Just curious, what do you mean by “rough”? If this is too public for response, PM me.

@BuffaloKyle It’s close to Dallas but I’ll be in San Diego next year. Bummer. I’ll have to settle for Bonnie Tyler. For the heart stuff, you may still need to hire a provider. 😘

I bring in trusted providers for clients who want more than one. I charge the client all of our regular rates which vary plus a nominal coordination fee for myself on top of that and lump it all together into one quote.