Ali Gator

I don't think this has ever come up before, and this happened to me again this morning, so I'm going to share this here as I'm sure others have had experiences similar to this. I'm curious how it was handled (to give me better insight going forward.)
In the past, when I have had repeated appointments with masseurs, we get to know each other better through conversation. Many times the question of my profession comes up, and I share what I do (but not where I work / the company I work for). Just usually a generalization of what my job entails (when asked). Because of my job skills, I have had a side business on weekends since the pandemic,  which includes 'resume writing' for people who need help writing their resumes or 'updating', etc. I've mentioned this to providers from time to time, so that if they ever need this - they can consider hiring me. I don't go into detail on pricing, because we're never that far into the conversation. They just answer "ok - good to know". 
Early this morning, one of these masseurs (whom I do like, and we get along fine) who I haven't seen in months (he's been mostly traveling since the new year), called me and asked if I was free this afternoon. He's in his mid-30s, and now  interested in applying for an entry-level job at the company where his brother-in-law works (a very good company) .  He needs help writing a resume, as he never wrote one before. He has a Zoom interview tomorrow afternoon, and he needs to have the resume sent in by noon tomorrow. 
I gave him a time I'd be available for him to stop by my house today, so I can write a resume for him. I then told him it would take an hour at least, gave him my rate for the service (which is the going rate in my area these days), and if we need more than an hour to finish, what the rate would be (for 90 minutes and two hours; all in line with my competitors). It just so happens the rates equal what he charges for massage, so I told him he could either pay up front, or we can work it out in 'trade' - he can give me a massage of equal value when we're done with the resume. 
His response was: "Can't you do it for free for me ? We're friends."  That really threw me. I ignored his request. 
I told him my rate again, so how does he want to proceed if he's serious about this - with payment or trade of services tonight? He then said he'd do the massage at $25 off - so he'd charge me $175. He thought that was fair. I asked, "So you think my service to help you is worth only $25 ?" He apparently thought so.  I suggested he find someone else today who will make time to write a resume for him at $25 for the hour. (That would be no one, as we all know our worth in this industry). That was the end of our phone conversation.
A few hours later he calls back and I let it go to VM. He raises his offer to $150  for the massage  if I will write the resume for him. He tells me it's a real good deal. I don't bother answering him. Since then, he's texted / left VM every half hour or so, wanting me to take the deal. Even if he agrees to a 'trade' at the $200 (my original offer), at this point I'm just no longer interested in doing any business with him. Keep in mind, in all the years I've hired him I have never asked him for any type of discount (and he has raised his price over the past five years).
Has this ever happened to anyone else where a provider wants to hire the client for their professional services ?  How did you handle it ? How did it turn out ? 

Thoughts and prayers for him.

Thoughts and prayers for him.

Ana Navarro of 'The View' also commented on Cain joining ICE on her social media yesterday.  She suggested instead of joining ICE, Cain should've joined a gym. 😆

Ana Navarro of 'The View' also commented on Cain joining ICE on her social media yesterday.  She suggested instead of joining ICE, Cain should've joined a gym. 😆

Some new photos he shared this weekend:
https://images2.imgbox.com/4f/35/3rQW6zVn_o.jpg
https://imgbox.com/scsym9dO
https://images2.imgbox.com/f3/fd/qjCzgvov_o.jpg
https://images2.imgbox.com/35/ae/iVK575aU_o.jpg

I'm not sure why some are saying if I did his resume for him (and was compensated) it would change my relationship going forward with him.  Why should it ?
By me keeping it professional from the beginning (when I tell them what I do on the side professionally, should they need my service), should be enough to keep our relationship the same.  It would be no different if I told anyone else I employed  (dog walker, house cleaner, handyman) or was friends with. His employing me to write his resume (and being compensated by money or 'in trade' massage) should have no change on our relationship as masseur / client going forward. It's business for both of us. 
If I offered my service as a 'favor' to these guys, and then turned around and asked for some compensation - that would be entirely different. 

The "one last thing" should've been the 'very first thing' mentioned to the client, to see if the client is interested and wants to move along further. That way, no time is wasted on either end. 

Thank you for sharing your experience and I’m glad it was different than mine. I will say, he seemed generally surprised and disappointed when I refused the "payment upfront" thing. My little head was telling me to take a chance, but thankfully my big head won out. If you find yourself talking to him about it again, please encourage him to just be upfront at the very beginning with his policy.
It’s easy to say "no" with no hard feelings at the very beginning. Waiting until the time of the scheduled meet up burns a little. 

Thoughts and prayers for him.

Some new photos he shared this weekend:
https://images2.imgbox.com/4f/35/3rQW6zVn_o.jpg
https://imgbox.com/scsym9dO
https://images2.imgbox.com/f3/fd/qjCzgvov_o.jpg
https://images2.imgbox.com/35/ae/iVK575aU_o.jpg

Some new photos he shared this weekend:
https://images2.imgbox.com/4f/35/3rQW6zVn_o.jpg
https://imgbox.com/scsym9dO
https://images2.imgbox.com/f3/fd/qjCzgvov_o.jpg
https://images2.imgbox.com/35/ae/iVK575aU_o.jpg

The "one last thing" should've been the 'very first thing' mentioned to the client, to see if the client is interested and wants to move along further. That way, no time is wasted on either end. 

I don't think this has ever come up before, and this happened to me again this morning, so I'm going to share this here as I'm sure others have had experiences similar to this. I'm curious how it was handled (to give me better insight going forward.)
In the past, when I have had repeated appointments with masseurs, we get to know each other better through conversation. Many times the question of my profession comes up, and I share what I do (but not where I work / the company I work for). Just usually a generalization of what my job entails (when asked). Because of my job skills, I have had a side business on weekends since the pandemic,  which includes 'resume writing' for people who need help writing their resumes or 'updating', etc. I've mentioned this to providers from time to time, so that if they ever need this - they can consider hiring me. I don't go into detail on pricing, because we're never that far into the conversation. They just answer "ok - good to know". 
Early this morning, one of these masseurs (whom I do like, and we get along fine) who I haven't seen in months (he's been mostly traveling since the new year), called me and asked if I was free this afternoon. He's in his mid-30s, and now  interested in applying for an entry-level job at the company where his brother-in-law works (a very good company) .  He needs help writing a resume, as he never wrote one before. He has a Zoom interview tomorrow afternoon, and he needs to have the resume sent in by noon tomorrow. 
I gave him a time I'd be available for him to stop by my house today, so I can write a resume for him. I then told him it would take an hour at least, gave him my rate for the service (which is the going rate in my area these days), and if we need more than an hour to finish, what the rate would be (for 90 minutes and two hours; all in line with my competitors). It just so happens the rates equal what he charges for massage, so I told him he could either pay up front, or we can work it out in 'trade' - he can give me a massage of equal value when we're done with the resume. 
His response was: "Can't you do it for free for me ? We're friends."  That really threw me. I ignored his request. 
I told him my rate again, so how does he want to proceed if he's serious about this - with payment or trade of services tonight? He then said he'd do the massage at $25 off - so he'd charge me $175. He thought that was fair. I asked, "So you think my service to help you is worth only $25 ?" He apparently thought so.  I suggested he find someone else today who will make time to write a resume for him at $25 for the hour. (That would be no one, as we all know our worth in this industry). That was the end of our phone conversation.
A few hours later he calls back and I let it go to VM. He raises his offer to $150  for the massage  if I will write the resume for him. He tells me it's a real good deal. I don't bother answering him. Since then, he's texted / left VM every half hour or so, wanting me to take the deal. Even if he agrees to a 'trade' at the $200 (my original offer), at this point I'm just no longer interested in doing any business with him. Keep in mind, in all the years I've hired him I have never asked him for any type of discount (and he has raised his price over the past five years).
Has this ever happened to anyone else where a provider wants to hire the client for their professional services ?  How did you handle it ? How did it turn out ? 

About a year ago, I responded to a thread here on the forum. It was a 'general topic' (not about a provider or a review) and I had shared my experience concerning the subject matter. Nothing controversial, just my experience. (I believe the thread was about a chain retailer).
Anyhow, someone I never engaged with before decided to quote me, and rip me up one side and tear me down the other because my experience was opposite his. So be it. I didn't respond or defend myself, I just continued on here, enjoying the forum.
Within days, I got PMs from other members here (again, members I had not engaged with previously) giving me the heads up on this guy, letting me know he was 'trouble' and not to be bothered by him. Apparently, these other guys had dealings with him in the past. I thanked each one for their message of concern, and let them all know I wasn't bothered by him at all. But with the info they all shared as a community, I made the decision to skip over all his posts on this thread every time I see his distinctive avatar - no interest in him or his thoughts.
 
What's funny is he's PMd me on a couple of things in the past year, and I could tell he was itching for an argument. But again, I had no interest in what he said, and never replied. 

Comparing his photos from when he first started in January to his current ones - he looks like he's working out and really developing his chest and arms. I like it ! 

Huh ? 

Some new photos he shared this weekend:
https://images2.imgbox.com/4f/35/3rQW6zVn_o.jpg
https://imgbox.com/scsym9dO
https://images2.imgbox.com/f3/fd/qjCzgvov_o.jpg
https://images2.imgbox.com/35/ae/iVK575aU_o.jpg

Ana Navarro of 'The View' also commented on Cain joining ICE on her social media yesterday.  She suggested instead of joining ICE, Cain should've joined a gym. 😆

When they don't treat their service as a business profession the way I treat their service. 
When I reach out to them (always in a professional, polite manner), I always let them know I'm interested in an appointment with them, but need to know what their hourly rate is, and where are they staying in my city (there are some hotels in some areas I simply won't go to, for different reasons).  Once they answer those two questions (and I'm still interested), I then ask when they have availability for that day / evening / tomorrow ? I believe I'm treating them kindly and professionally with the above texts. 
Some providers will answer the first two questions to my liking, so we move on to availability - again, they respond with a date and timeframe which can work with both our schedules. I can tell off the bat that they are professional, they take this seriously, and we're going to get along great. (It never fails). I schedule right away and 90% of the time I become a 'repeat'. AND when I do see them, by the end of the appointment, I always complimnt them on their professionalism - from their very first text. These guys seem very appreciative of this compliment.
But then there are those who answer the first text (first two questions) with 'Hey' or 'Wassup?' I'll ask again about pricing and location, and they follow up with 'You wanna see me now ?" At that point, I know this guy is making money off a hobby, isn't taking this 'business' seriously,  and things will get worse from there, no matter how hot his photos / descriptions are. The few times I went ahead and met with them, I left very disappointed. So at that point, I thank him for his time and let him know I changed my mind - it's not worth it. 

Huh ? 

Same here.
By using my regular number, my favorite escorts can text me when they will be traveling through my town, should I want to see them again. 
And it helps when I travel to the same cities again, that I'm able to contact my repeat escorts from the same number and they'll know it's me.

I use my regular phone.  I have no illusions that it is secure so I try to avoid putting anything compromising in my texts.  I vet possible providers very carefully and only hire for incall, which ensures that both of us are discreet.  If I were hiring for meetups at a hotel, I would use some kind of anonymizer.

Huh ? 

Seems to me that the "mean girls" here are the ones complaining about people who have opinions they disagree with.
I was called out personally.(Although you misspelled my screen-name@BrickBuilder) 
I am guessing this is a reaction to the recent Sydney Sweeny controversy. For several years now the fashion industry has been going for shock value by featuring fat Victoria Secret models, transexual make up models, and ugly/deformed runway models. This has empowered people in the general population who feel left behind because of their unfortunate looks. Unfortunately the fashion industry has watched their profits plummet as the promotion of "ugly" backfired and the disadvantaged population of empowered people didn't show up to buy their product while the beautiful people left the room in disgust. 
So American Eagle reacts by swinging the pendulum back to where it was. This touches off a mini culture-war about the appropriateness of deifying beautiful people in 2025. It is interesting therefore that @CheckCar simultaneously starts a "mean girl" thread because as he states: he is - "a gay man of a certain age who is often invisible in bars and clubs catering to the gym-bodied under-40 crowd." 
So...since I was called out ..I think it's important for me to contribute MY two-cents in the matter as a counter-point to this idea of the "mean-girl". 
Although it may be an unfortunate reality of life that some of us are born less attractive than others and some of us lose our looks as we age. We all need to accept this as REALITY. You cant change that by PRETENDING that everyone is beautiful. C.o.M is a site where men pursue men who they find attractive. They choose to HIRE men who are MORE attractive than they can likely get without paying them. So the VAST majority of men here are concerned about the GOOD LOOKS of providers. NOBODY is here to take pity on a poor-sad provider struggling to get laid. We are all here to discuss the merits of skilled, good-looking men who can provide a high quality fantasy experience.
So to call-out those of us who may make an opinion about this subject that doesnt follow the "everyone is beautiful" narrative is ridiculous, indeed !! @KensingtonHomo calls me "Regina George", because he's never been able to stand the fact that I have had the privilege of a life where I COULD pick and choose the cream-of-the-crop and NOT need to take what I can get, while pretending that "everyone is beautiful" so I feel better about myself.
It's an interesting subject and although I don't agree with @CheckCar for including me on his mean-girl list. I thank @KensingtonHomo for bringing up the timely topic. 
In summary...I don't feel that its "mean" to make observations about a providers looks and/or performance. I actually think its ridiculous to even suggest such a thing on a site that is totally geared toward these discussions. As far as the rest of the issues about "mean-girl" behavior ..yes we should all treat each other with respect. But I could go back and find multiple snarky comments made to ME over the years simply because someone didn’t agree with my viewpoint. So as I started to say in my response...its not ME who's the mean-girl in those scenarios. 
Some people need to grow up and learn to agree to disagree, and keep the snark to themselves.