The Climate is Changing (Clients)

[hypothetically]

I’m not sure if this is specific to NYC (I doubt it) but interacting with clients is getting increasingly kooky and problematic..

I try my best to always remain civil and polite but I see where the disconnect is between client and escort and why there are so many threads with hostility from both sides.

 

And it’s consistent across the board because I find that a generous number of colleagues have stopped taking new clients altogether or simply rely on regulars with whom they trust. Thankfully, referrals from clients and other escorts have continued to make this monetary for me but what’s in the fucking water? I worry for the newer guys.

 

The number of fake requests are way more frequent than they use to be. It has now gotten to the point where if a client is not walking distance or a quick train or cab ride, an Uber must be provided (which I do not feel is an unreasonable request). Serious clients move forward, the flakes stop responding.

 

I’m starting to hear: “Ok well I only have x amount of money“ more often than I’d like to. I’m sorry Backpage got shut down and you could have a grand ole time for the price of a Subway sandwich, but not on RM. This isn’t Sears, there are no doorbusters and I do not price match. Degrading.

 

Clients have dropped full sentences. “Hello. Manhattan.” Hi. What about manhattan? I don’t have a lot of time to piece together what a client may or may not want and always ask that a client be specific in his request, at which point I am thrown attitude because I am not clairvoyant.

 

Clients beginning a convo with “photos?” when my ad features 20+ photos and a private album.

 

Clients not reading an ad yet get irate when you disregard something they’ve said although you’ve just answered 50 questions whose answers were already readily available on said ad.

 

Clients who try to FaceTime you several times in a row. No hello. No initial contact.

 

Clients who forget that escorts do have a right to decline offering service. Threaten to you leave you a bad review. You go girl. Call the mayor too.

 

Clients who have no respect for anyone’s time but their own. Pushing appointments back. 2-3 hours. I would assume most clients are working professionals and understand “time is money.”

 

Clients offering to pay in drugs.

 

Clients who sabotage escorts’ business (or think they are doing so) on DaddyReviews because an escort either A) refused to meet with them or B) it was simply not a match. I’ve observed certain users drag the same escort through the mud in several different post over several months or more. Granted there are only so many consistently active users, I think everyone heard you the first time.

 

Clients who forget that there are clients from sea-to-shining sea and they are not 1-of-5 available to spend and are not doing us a favor by booking. Yet are entitled. “Your loss!” says the client. Lol, but are you sure?

 

Clients who pose as escorts on this very forum.

 

Clients who fabricate on this very forum.

 

And while I understand escorts can be as equally problematic, I feel bad behavior on the client’s side is hastily brushed under the rug.

 

So my question to clients is this: Do you think the above is acceptable behavior? And if so, please share any success stories you may have by exercising the above behaviors. I just want a clear understanding of the logic behind these behaviors.

 

Escorts: what are your experiences with the above? Do you find interactions between you and potential clients in your city are becoming increasingly unpleasant or its more or less always been this way for you?

 

I’d also love to stay on topic and not make this about the escorts as this entire forum is constructed of that topic.

Edited May 31, 2018 by hypothetically

[+ VictorPowers]

What do you mean no Blue Light Special? RIP SEARS.

[Kevin Slater]

What do you mean no Blue Light Special? RIP SEARS.

 

I think they'd be Red Light Specials.

 

Kevin Slater

[Pulgasari1991]

And while I understand escorts can be as equally problematic, I feel bad behavior on the client’s side is hastily brushed under the rug.

Do you mean in the forum, or where?

[+ Eric Hassan]

So my question to clients is this: Do you think the above is acceptable behavior? And if so, please share any success stories you may have by exercising the above behaviors. I just want a clear understanding of the logic behind these behaviors.

 

Escorts: what are your experiences with the above? Do you find interactions between you and potential clients in your city are becoming increasingly unpleasant or its more or less always been this way for you?

 

I think you're not going to have a very fun time if you keep getting upset at what's happening, or if you keep searching for the "logic" behind it all. I personally have experienced many of the things you've mentioned (as I'm sure many of the working fellows have), and I sometimes find they seem to come and go; at times, there are more oddball questions and flakes than others. This is part of the business and I would assert that nearly every business on earth has the time wasters, the people who don't read, the people who communicate ineffectively, etc. To me, part of the work we do is dealing with these things.

 

Essentially, you can be right or you can be happy.

[+ FrankR]

 

 

Clients who fabricate on this very forum.

 

And while I understand escorts can be as equally problematic, I feel bad behavior on the client’s side is hastily brushed under the rug.

 

So my question to clients is this: Do you think the above is acceptable behavior? And if so, please share any success stories you may have by exercising the above behaviors. I just want a clear understanding of the logic behind these behaviors.

As a client, I do not find misbehavior by fellow clients acceptable. It is probably part of the cost of doing business and you have to do what you have to do to minimize the impact on your business.

 

I should point out that client misbehavior does not go unnoticed and you will find that clients do stand up for providers when they detect this kind of B.S. This example from earlier today: https://www.companyofmen.org/threads/drunk-client-or-questionable-escort.137569/

[bongripper]

What do you mean no Blue Light Special? RIP SEARS.

I think you meant K-MART which is also RIP

[nsguy45]

Both Sears and K-Mart are still active in Massachusetts.

[hypothetically]

I think you're not going to have a very fun time if you keep getting upset at what's happening, or if you keep searching for the "logic" behind it all. I personally have experienced many of the things you've mentioned (as I'm sure many of the working fellows have), and I sometimes find they seem to come and go; at times, there are more oddball questions and flakes than others. This is part of the business and I would assert that nearly every business on earth has the time wasters, the people who don't read, the people who communicate ineffectively, etc. To me, part of the work we do is dealing with these things.

 

Essentially, you can be right or you can be happy.

 

I don’t escort to have a good time nor I am upset. I simply wanted some feedback from others based on my experience in NYC. And I agree with you per your business comment.

Edited May 31, 2018 by hypothetically

[hypothetically]

Do you mean in the forum, or where?

 

Generally speaking.

[+ VictorPowers]

Both Sears and K-Mart are still active in Massachusetts.

Yeah I meant in the sense that the retail giant has been struggling for years, even when acquired by KMart.

[+ freecahill1965]

I don’t escort to have a good time nor I am upset. I simply wanted some feedback from others based on my experience in NYC. And I agree with you per your business comment.

As a client, I can say it goes both ways. I have never canceled at the last minute. I have never done any of the things you mentioned. I always plan ahead and confirm. I have had escorts no show or not contact me once I got to hotel. I have had them not provide the service the promised and leave the session early. I have had them clock watch or worse read texts during the session. This is all in the last 10 months. I am not too discouraged though because I have had many great ones as well.

[+ BenjaminNicholas]

You can dwell on the negative or build your success in finding the silver-lining.

 

Your experience, in NYC or anywhere else, is not the norm for me.

 

Perhaps I'm lucky... Or, perhaps I've attracted the right clientele.

[Mocha]

Escorts: what are your experiences with the above? Do you find interactions between you and potential clients in your city are becoming increasingly unpleasant or its more or less always been this way for you?

 

I’d also love to stay on topic and not make this about the escorts as this entire forum is constructed of that topic.

 

I'm glad another escort has come out and been real about the differing and newer challenges that have surfaced. Interestingly enough, your challenges are a bit different than my challenges (I don't have the option for clients to uber me, or FaceTime me) , but regardless...the answer is yes it has become increasingly difficult. Don't listen to other escorts who claim it's never like that for them. I've personally spoken to popular escorts who've experienced the same things that I've contended with and worse.

 

One thing about America: no matter what you do (unless it's something niche and usually IT related), there's 50 million other people doing the same thing. America has become so ultra competitive, I think it factors in with the business. I personally don't touch markets like New York, Chicago, and Los Angeles because it's too many escorts advertising. Specifically, many Black escorts.

 

I went thru Chicago the other day, and the same client who contacted me in Phoenix and begged me to come over last year, didn't even respond to my second text while he was also visiting Chicago yesterday. He has like 150,000 black dicks to choose from in Chicago, why the FUCK would he wait two hours for me.

 

If I lived in Australia, Germany, I know for a fact I'd be a rich black escort. Not starving artist mode like I am in the USA. I met 2 Australian guys in Colorado years ago, and they loved me. It's not as competive like here in America where every guy who wants Black guys have 100s of thousands of guys to choose from.

 

To some, it seems like when these things happen, you're making too much of a fuss, because at face value...its considered just sex. And sex now can be found on any corner nowadays, so the fact that so many of us are making it at all, is nothing short of a miracle...considering 3/4 of the places to advertise business has been wiped out in the past 5 years.

 

Personally, I will no longer advertise in more than 2 travel cities at a time. I know rentmen allows like 6, but I'm finding when I do that, too many people are tugging at me to come to this and that city. I try to schedule them all, but in reality...I can't always foresee how long I'll need to stay in a particular area. I was doing a Washington DC to Chicago trip over memorial weekend into this week. I almost skipped a city and missed a good client to reach a client in another city, and by the time I got to the other destination, the holiday was over and a couple of the ones who contacted prior to arrival, flaked.

 

I'll tell you what's worked for me: auto templates for text. So when they want to send 1 word texts...I send back a big long text asking: name/age/preference/host or travel/website seen on. Gets them talking everytime. Also, if shit gets too rough and tough, don't be afraid to call the MoFoes out in your ad. Tell them, don't send 1 word texts. Don't call last minute. You will NOT have sex for drugs. Trust me, every few months I have to put out a ADVISORY in my ad re: the latest irritating bad behavior. Things start to improve.

 

There's a verse I like to quote in my mind, whenever I feel things aren't falling in place : "ye have not, because ye ask not." So by all means, ask and you shall receive....whether that be thru texts or directly in your ad itself.

[nsguy45]

As a client, I can say it goes both ways. I have never canceled at the last minute. I have never done any of the things you mentioned. I always plan ahead and confirm. I have had escorts no show or not contact me once I got to hotel. I have had them not provide the service the promised and leave the session early. I have had them clock watch or worse read texts during the session. This is all in the last 10 months. I am not too discouraged though because I have had many great ones as well.

After escorting for roughly one year and being supremely disappointed by several RM escorts, I luckily happened upon one in December who is a perfect match and I have been seeing him exclusively once or twice a week and have no desire to shop around for another, even let my RM membership expire.

[Shawn Monroe]

I will say that having my home base be a smaller Midwestern market (or southern, depending on where you think Oklahoma falls) I've seen all of this since the beginning. It may be that in smaller cities if you're not in more places, you're not viable, but I've essentially run into all of these problems since the start. It's not the overwhelming majority of my interactions, thank goodness, but that portion of the interactions can definitely be frustrating.

 

All that said, with enough bad behavior from clients on the front end, I've - and I bet you have too - learned how to spot a lot of that on the front end, too. Knowing when to stop a conversation; taking a booking, but knowing from the conversation they'll probably no-show / cancel; remembering you need to eat too, and not speedboating through your dinner to make a buck; or many other things that happen.

 

I know, at least for me, that the most frustrating part is that we have no recourse. If a client decides to skip a booking without telling us, or behave in a bad way, it's no skin off their back. Sometimes I see things here, and I'm like "that shouldn't be okay..." and if you ask how to deal with it or say something, many are like "that's part of the business! if you don't like it, find something else to do!"

But if we have a bad day or aren't 110% positive 110% of the time, we're perceived as being negative. Even on this forum, If we say a slightly negative thing, complain about a client, (or a city) etc. it can lead to us being publicly badmouthed at best, or blacklisted at worst.

 

Or at least how to retain your sense of self when something bad happens. I still get frustrated, but that 2-hour no-show just gave me time to shower, actually get a bite of real food to eat, and get off my feet if I've been standing all day.

 

All that said, you're allowed to complain, even though many times it may feel like you can't. I still call my BFF Jeremy Davis in DC and he has to talk me down sometimes.

We'll never figure out completely why some people act the way they do. Just don't let it ruin your composure.

[+ freecahill1965]

After escorting for roughly one year and being supremely disappointed by several RM escorts, I luckily happened upon one in December who is a perfect match and I have been seeing him exclusively once or twice a week and have no desire to shop around for another, even let my RM membership expire.

It is interesting. Clients and escorts have the same problems. Escorts are having a hard time with dealing with flakey clients and clients are having a hard time dealing with flakey providers.

[+ OliverSaks]

You can dwell on the negative or build your success in finding the silver-lining.

 

Your experience, in NYC or anywhere else, is not the norm for me.

 

Perhaps I'm lucky... Or, perhaps I've attracted the right clientele.

Perhaps because you buy fake twitter followers, likes, retweets, and even make fake ass graphics celebrating your fake ass Twitter follower milestones.

 

is business really that great @Benjamin_Nicholas ? Or you just do that shit for fun because you want to present that the biz is going so well?

[MikeBiDude]

Perhaps because you buy fake twitter followers, likes, retweets, and even make fake ass graphics celebrating your fake ass Twitter follower milestones.

 

is business really that great @Benjamin_Nicholas ? Or you just do that shit for fun because you want to present that the biz is going so well?

Jealous much?

[MiamiLooker]

It has now gotten to the point where if a client is not walking distance or a quick train or cab ride, an Uber must be provided (which I do not feel is an unreasonable request). Serious clients move forward, the flakes stop responding.

You think it’s flakey behavior if the client balks on paying for your Uber? Maybe they stop responding to you because they find an escort that doesn’t need his transportation cost paid for by the client.

[marylander1940]

You can dwell on the negative or build your success in finding the silver-lining.

 

Your experience, in NYC or anywhere else, is not the norm for me.

 

Perhaps I'm lucky... Or, perhaps I've attracted the right clientele.

 

Every time I read your posts I remind myself you're the escort who destroyed the Dallas mafia.

 

Perhaps because you buy fake twitter followers, likes, retweets, and even make fake ass graphics celebrating your fake ass Twitter follower milestones.

 

is business really that great @Benjamin_Nicholas ? Or you just do that shit for fun because you want to present that the biz is going so well?

 

Jealous much?

 

Is not pretty when you add fuel to a fire

 

 

 

[+ OliverSaks]

Jealous much?

Yes, I’m jealous he’s older and got into the biz at a better time and does not have to worry as much about how the business is changing and getting tougher.

 

I just find it extremely disingenuous that he pipes in about how he’s so successful and the state of the business is fine fine and then he does embarrassing things like make a graphic celebrating 65K twitter followers (or check any of the tweets with 40-60 likes... which is most of them... and let me know how many of those likes are from real accounts...)

 

If he never pipes up about the state of the business, I hold my tongue.

[hypothetically]

You think it’s flakey behavior if the client balks on paying for your Uber? Maybe they stop responding to you because they find an escort that doesn’t need his transportation cost paid for by the client.

 

You (like a generous number of clients) can read but can not comprehend. I do not “need” my transportation paid for by the client. As a method of filtering who is a fraud and who is not, an Uber is requested if the client is out of the way (i.e. Manhattan to Long Island or Manhattan to Suffolk County...if you are familiar with the city at all). And at the request of the client, i’ll gladly deduct that from my rate (a generous offer) and the flakes refuse...because there was no intention of this arrangement actually occurring. Real clients do not mind. At all. If you want to bring dick to you that is not conveniently located near you, unfortunately you have to pay. Have you ever used Seamless? There’s a delivery minimum, correct?

[Mo Mason]

Client here. None of what you listed is acceptable. I would never even think of doing those things.

[hypothetically]

Perhaps because you buy fake twitter followers, likes, retweets, and even make fake ass graphics celebrating your fake ass Twitter follower milestones.

 

is business really that great @Benjamin_Nicholas ? Or you just do that shit for fun because you want to present that the biz is going so well?

 

I’m no mathematician, but +60K followers and an average of 60 likes on a photo means less than 1% of his “followers” are even engaging with him. It’s no shade but that doesn’t scream entrepreneur or savvy businessman to me. Are the kids (and clients) really that gullible?