"Private Clubs"

[foxy]

Once in a while I'll look through the pages in HX or Next magazines under the listings of "Private Clubs" or "Parties". Most have some sort of restrictions, age, body type, race or fetish. I never seem to fit any of the criteria so I've never tried to get my foot in the door. Still, I wonder what these things are like? I envision either some wonderful Roman orgy filled with gorgeous gods or a cesspool of scary monsters (both of which intrigue me). Has anyone had any first hand experience?

[JT Brooklyn]

foxy..I kind of lean towards the "Cesspool of Scary Monsters" Theory you have. It's much more fun to just get a "small select group" of guy's together after a few drinks in a club, and turn someone's Apt into a Private Club! But again I guess some Fetish Clubs Advertising is also good for those interests. IMHO of course..:7

[RockHard]

I've been to several private clubs in my life but none of them offered sex parties. As much as I enjoy a great bathhouse; in all my years in NYC, I've never been to one here. And I would never go to a private sex party.

 

Depending on what you do for a living and/or how you feel about being recognized in public, being seen at a private sex party could have serious ramifications. For many gay men in NYC, discretion is a necessary way of life and we really don't believe we're missing anything special.

 

Apart from the gossip factor, the few men I know who participate in sex parties are hiv+. They claim condoms are available at these events but most of them eat ass and suck cock with wild abandon. Most of them do drugs. Imagine how healthy it must be to lick an ass that's been fucked raw earlier in the evening and never cleaned by the time your tongue hits it. Or how about sucking a cock that's had ten or more mouths on it. Many men could care less about washing between sexual encounters.

 

Sex parties, for the most part, cater to sex addicts, and the majority of sex addicts live in denial, which means your chances of having sex with someone whose never been tested for hiv and openly claims to being hiv negative are substantial. Don't ask, can't tell.

 

My former assistant, age 23, hooked up with three different guys, during a six month period from ManHunt. Each hot guy insisted, as if swearing on a bible, that he had no std's before engaging in some hot 69 action. My assistant got chlamydia from all three men. It was his first experience with getting an std. He no longer subscribes to ManHunt.

 

Sex addicts lie to themselves all the time. It's a symptom of the illness. They'll lie to you with no conscience at the drop of your trousers.

 

Even though group action has never been my thing (I'm too selfish); if I have a taste for a three-way, I'll order in two men who play well with each other. Either I'll sit back and watch them play or I'll have them ravage me. No alcohol, no drugs, no cigarettes, a great bathroom with a Jacuzzi tub, and endless safe sex. Now that's how I define PAR-TAY.

[+ Lucky]

RE: "Private Clubs"

 

Rock Hard has never been to a private sex party and will never go to one. But that doesn't stop him from telling you about them with his usual cocky confidence. He says they attract HIV+ guys who then engage in usafe sex, eating ass like it was a Sunday buffet at one of his lavish country estates. Everybody is unattractive too, even though he has never seen any of them. And, as if they haven't been damned enough by now, he tells us they do drugs too! Gosh, those Hiv'ers are so dirty.

 

Then he turns in to Dr. Phil to tell us all we ever wanted to know about sex addicts. They lie. How does he know this? Apparently his 23- year old assistant (why do we need to know the guy's age?) is a sex addict. He had three encounters in a row where he got chlamydia from guys who told him they were clean. Liars! In it's defense, however, chlamydia can be a devil to discover.

 

So you will never see Rock Hard with these dirty people. He is only going to go to the orgy of mirrors in his bedroom. There, everyone he sees will be as clean and beautiful as he is!

 

So by now anyone who HAS gone to one of these parties might be deterred from posting about it here, since you would have to join that ugly club Rockie paints. Well, silly, don't let him stop you.

 

I'll go first. Now I have been to three of these parties. Some people use condoms, some don't. Some are somewhat cute, some are not. These are usually the pushiest ones. I don't like these parties myself because there is no privacy and it seems that if you do start something with someone you like, then it of necessity must become a group thing. Not for me. But no one has ever lied to me at one of them, and I have never been forced into unsafe sex.

 

I did go to one once that was like a trout farm! It was stocked with cute rent boys! That one was fun!

[RockHard]

RE: Lucky, Lucky Not

 

"Rock Hard has never been to a private sex party and will never go to one. But that doesn't stop him from telling you about them"

 

Sex parties have been around forever and I know many, many people, dear. It isn't difficult to get all the details, all you have to do is ask. In addition, I know someone who has photographed a few. The images don't lie and no amount of make-up will cover a herpes sore with a tongue licking over it.

 

"Everybody is unattractive too, even though he has never seen any of them."

 

I never said that. (Please refer to Isern's post on trolling.) Frankly, I think all men who love themselves can be attractive. I'm far from the shallow creature that Lucky loves to paint me even though I do work with some of the most gorgeous men in the world.

 

"They lie. How does he know this?"

 

I've been dealing with and helping addicts for two decades.

 

"Apparently his 23- year old assistant (why do we need to know the guy's age?) is a sex addict."

 

No. My former assistant is not a sex addict but now he knows they don't wear a sign on their foreheads announcing their denial. His age had everything to do with his burgeoning curiosity: gee, getting sex in Manhattan is like a candy store to a kid. Like many of us, he had to learn the hard way.

 

"He is only going to go to the orgy of mirrors in his bedroom."

 

I don't do mirrors. I have never found narcissism in anybody to be a turn-on.

 

"Now I have been to three of these parties."

 

YOU DIRTY FILTHY SLUT!

[+ Charlie]

I went to a few of the private sex parties in New York, and they were no different from the sex clubs of the 70s (Anvil, Mine Shaft, etc.), except that there was policing of activities: no fucking, with or without a condom, and no fisting. Those who persisted after a warning were ejected and told not to come back. Of course, it is still possible to get STDs from other sexual acts, including kissing, cocksucking, and rimming. Anyone who thinks he is "safe" from such dangers, even by hiring expensive escorts, is kidding himself.

 

In California, privately organized parties, unadvertised and open only to those who know someone who knows someone, seem fairly common. I have been to a few of those, but the majority of participants seem to be older couples who want to have recreational sex, either separately or as a couple, and then go home after a bit of socializing. The sex, like the participants, is pretty vanilla.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Rock Hard, Blow Hard!

 

"In addition, I know someone who has photographed a few. The images don't lie and no amount of make-up will cover a herpes sore with a tongue licking over it."

 

You know someone who took pictures? Did you see them? Did you see this pic of the herpes sore? Did you then interpret that to mean that everybody at the party looked like that?

 

Because there is a job waiting for you at the San Francisco Chronicle. Every year they would take the most outrageous pic from the parade and put it on the front page. Then people would complain about the parade they hadn't seen, saying it was all people in drag, or all guys in chaps. This, of course, totally ignored the 500,000 other people that were there.

 

Sex parties wouldn't be so popular if the guy with herpes on his tongue represented the fact of those who attended them. So why do you use that as your example?

 

And, by the way, I hope the sore has cleared up by now!

[RockHard]

RE: Lucky, don't blow me.

 

And keep your sore-laden tongue away from me.

 

"And, by the way, I hope the sore has cleared up by now!'

 

I've never had herpes or any STD, you FILTHY DIRTY SLUT. Enjoy your sex pastries, I mean parties, dear.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Lucky, don't blow me.

 

hehehe I don't go to them anymore!

Maybe next time I'm in New York, I can give you a call, and we...well, maybe not! Let's just stay online buddies!

[RockHard]

RE: Lucky's denial.

 

"hehehe I don't go to them anymore!"

 

From what I hear, that's what all the fart-blowing, ex-HooBoy members say about visiting this MC.

[+ Lucky]

RE: Lucky's denial.

 

Only you don't fart, dear Rock Hard. It is permissible, even for ex-members. Now what did that have to do with the subject at hand?

 

BTW- it's a big weekend in New York for stripper parties on Sunday. Kinda the Stripper Bowl Sunday. Why don't you go to Club 20 and meet some of your fellow Hooville posters? They'll promise not to fart in your presence!

 

(Watch your fingers, though!)

[tazmanian5230]

RE: Lucky's denial.

 

I hope this will not lead to another stinky finger post....

 

"Not that people should be told this, but on a personal hygiene note, it's really a good idea to wash your hands after putting your fingers up a dancers' butt"

COOPER 2005

[foxy]

RE: Lucky's denial.

 

Well I've gone over all the listings in HX and this is the party I would go to if I was allowed in...

 

"Underwear masquerade strictly for attractive gay men held at a private, luxurious penthouse."

 

I'm not sure what an "underwear masquerade" is but I sure like the sound of "luxurious penthouse". I conjur up an image of some hot dude in his jockeys playing Cole Porter on a white grand piano, the tinkle of martini glasses and the twinkling lights of the city below.

 

Now that's a party I can imagine myself not getting invited to. Sigh!

[+ deej]

Luxurious Penthouse = Top Floor Walkup

 

You'd be surprised how many so-called penthouse apartments in Manhattan are actually on top of 7-story buildings.

 

It IS sorta neat to visit and be up on the roof overlooking the neighborhood, surrounded by all the Manhattan sky-rises. There are a lot of "Penhouses" like that in Chicago too, only there they're called apartments. ;-)

[+ Tom Isern]

When I moved to New York in the early 90s, I was very involved in the club, sex club, and private sex party scene. Carter’s New York Prime was in its heyday—the hottest muscle gods brought their chiseled physiques and made themselves available at this and other parties I attended. There was less attitude, less pretension, and less ageism back then. People seemed much less uptight than they do today (and that doesn’t mean they were all barebacking). The private sex party world was alive and thriving—I remember parties with hundreds of hot naked guys in huge cavernous rooms chatting, drinking, and having good, clean, safe sex all over the place. The fascist Giuliani administration, the rise of property values and rents, the dawn of the internet…all these things have contributed to a downfall in public group sex parties. These days, I believe, most group sex happens in private homes (many of the groups listed in Next are like this) with smaller numbers of people who are often lined up on the internet. I have a boyfriend now, a high-pressured career, and this work on the side. I almost never go to these venues, not because I wouldn’t like to, but because they don’t seem to be what they once were. Hot men used to have to go out to get laid, and in the process they faced adventure and unexpected outcomes. These days they sit at home in front of their computer screens picking their next trick from stat cards and pictures. It’s kind of sad.

 

With that said, I am once again struck by the ignorance and hypocrisy in RockHard’s comments. The same deep thinker who says he enjoys “a great bathhouse” and who admits he's never actually been to a private sex party pontificates that they are ALL the same: people do drugs, “eat ass and suck cock with wild abandon,” fuck raw, and that they cater to “sex addicts,” the majority of whom are living in denial. In my experience, private sex parties are diverse. Some are safe, some are unsafe. They are like people. They can’t all be grouped, branded, and generalized about. They can, in fact, be much cleaner, safer, and more fun spaces than any bathhouse.

 

New York by Night, for instance, carefully screens its clientele. Their party is alive and well today—I think. They meet once a month and screen for professionals. You have to be interviewed naked to join. I met many young doctors and lawyers, teachers and actors during my nights in this man’s private loft. Condoms and lube are everywhere and unsafe sex is not allowed—they will ask you to leave. People are regularly dashing into the restroom to clean up and then to the kitchen to share beer, wine, soda, chips, and conversation. Drugs are not allowed. Abuse of their policies means a revocation of membership.

 

RockHard recently cited my RULES FOR TROLLS AND PILLS post. In this thread he’s already violated rules 1, 2, 6, and 8. Let me re-word number 2 and re-propose: If you don’t know ANYTHING about what you are talking about, keep your ignorance to yourself. And Rock, I really don’t give a damn if you hire me or not, so spare us all—don’t repeat that tired line a third (or would it be a fourth?) time.

[+ deej]

Well said.

 

Dinner is on me next time you're in LA.

[Guest zipperzone]

>except that there was policing of

>activities: no fucking, with or without a condom, and no

>fisting. Those who persisted after a warning were ejected and

>told not to come back.

 

What would their objection be to fucking WITH a condom? Sounds kinda strange, no?

[RockHard]

RE: Lick this scab.

 

"I was very involved in the club, sex club, and private sex party scene."

 

Note the adverb "very." Need I say more?

 

"There was less attitude, less pretension, and less ageism back then."

 

Many participants have died.

 

"People seemed much less uptight than they do today"

 

Leave it to the possibility of death, a sever case of lipodystrophy, or the exorbitant cost of health care to cause much anxiety among gay men who question their behavior at any given time. Every man knows when he's living on the edge of a healthy reality. Admitting it is something else.

 

"The private sex party world was alive and thriving"

 

And so were many wonderful gay men. Then they got AIDS and many of them have died, or are trying to survive.

 

"The fascist Giuliani administration"

 

It's amazing how many thoughtless, hateful, homo-sex-addicts love to blame politicians, or God, or anybody else, for all their ills. Isn't it just like an addict to NEVER take responsibility for anything?

 

I thought politics weren't permitted here so Tom Isern must be hypocrite troll.

 

According to my numbers, Giuliani saved more gay lives than any mayor in NYC's history. Never before has a mayor of this fine city decreased the number of crimes in unprecedented numbers, which seriously benefited gay residents of this city.

 

Shutting down un-monitored, easy-to-enter sex venues also saved millions of gay men from getting HIV. The numbers were the proof. Of course any gay man hell-bent on bug hunting can find his germ. No mayor can stop anyone from a true death wish. But what is a leader supposed to do when faced with so many citizens who don't care about a serious health risk and will do just about anything to get one more sex fix? Are there no innocents in the age of AIDS? I say a leader does his best to save as many lives as he can. Giuliani did that. (Mind you, I didn't vote for him the first two times.)

 

"I almost never go to these venues, not because I wouldn’t like to, but because they don’t seem to be what they once were."

 

Such poetic nostalgia.

 

"Hot men used to have to go out to get laid, and in the process they faced adventure and unexpected outcomes. These days they sit at home in front of their computer screens picking their next trick from stat cards and pictures. It’s kind of sad."

 

Sad is the death of millions of gay men from numerous, easy-to-get anonymous encounters. But clearly your nostalgia for the West Side Piers blinds you.

 

"I am once again struck by the ignorance and hypocrisy in RockHard’s comments"

 

There he goes again breaking those troll rules.

 

"The same deep thinker who says he enjoys “a great bathhouse” and who admits he's never actually been to a private sex party pontificates that they are ALL the same"

 

Well I never said anything about them being ALL (especially in caps) the same. But, let me see...

 

Gee, we all know what a gym is. I've been to many all around the world and have had several memberships throughout NYC in the last 20 years. Some offer very different equipment but most of the equipment pretty much is there to facilitate muscle strength and development, whether you stand on your head, lie on the ground, or you spot/squat over your partner.

 

Every gym I've experienced has men; some cater to Chelsea muscle-queen types, some cater to a specific ethnic neighborhood, and some cater to all body types and ethnicities. Everyone exercises, or pretends to, in there own unique way.

 

Some of these men are horny and if the gym offers a steam or sauna room, you can usually count on seeing some action and the participants aren't required to be gay. Sure some men just touch and stroke, but there are plenty who suck until they swallow and bend over to offer a barebacked ass. I've seen it all.

 

Is there any gay man among us here who doesn't know what goes on in a gym? Must we join and experience all of them before we speak about what takes place there? Give me a fucking break, Tom Isern!

 

"RockHard recently cited my RULES FOR TROLLS AND PILLS post. In this thread he’s already violated rules 1, 2, 6, and 8. Let me re-word number 2 and re-propose: If you don’t know ANYTHING about what you are talking about, keep your ignorance to yourself."

 

Practice what you preach, sweetie.

 

ps Dear escorts, I strongly recommend you learn from Tom Isern's foolish mistakes. If you care about growing your business, NEVER kick ANY customer on a public message board, no matter how much it pleases you. Rule #1 in business is: NEVER BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU, or could feed you, even if that hand enjoys giving you a hard time. NEVER force any customer to say they will never hire you, especially more than one time. Not ALL bad publicity is good for business.

 

I will NEVER hire Tom Isern.

 

pps Enjoy that meal with deej.

[+ deej]

RE: Lick this scab.

 

>Rule #1 in business is: NEVER BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU, or could

>feed you, even if that hand enjoys giving you a hard time.

 

Actually, the #1 rule in any SUCCESSFUL business is the customer is NOT always right.

 

Learning when to tell a customer he's full of shit is a difficult lesson for business-persons to learn but it must be learned or the blow-hard customers will ruin them. Learning how to walk away from "trouble" clients is a must-have skill.

[RockHard]

In my world, the customer is always right.

 

"Actually, the #1 rule in any SUCCESSFUL business is the customer is NOT always right.

 

No it's not. I have no idea where deej went to business school but he should ask for his money back.

 

Telling any customer he's "full of shit" will most likely get you nothing but shit back. It's NEVER good to show contempt, in public, for any customer.

 

Furthermore, I never held any negative opinion of Tom Isern until he decided to put words into my mouth on the NY Times pedophilia/article thread. Had he chose to put his cock in my mouth instead, he probably wouldn't have given me any reason to think twice about hiring him.

 

Can Tom be sure I wasn't already a customer?

[RockHard]

In my world, the customer is always right.

 

"Actually, the #1 rule in any SUCCESSFUL business is the customer is NOT always right.

 

No it's not. I have no idea where deej went to business school but he should ask for his money back.

 

Telling any customer he's "full of shit" will most likely get you nothing but shit back. It's NEVER good to show contempt, in public, for any customer.

 

Furthermore, I never held any negative opinion of Tom Isern until he decided to put words into my mouth on the NY Times pedophilia/article thread. Had he chose to put his cock in my mouth instead, he probably wouldn't have given me any reason to think twice about hiring him.

 

Can Tom be sure I wasn't already a customer?

[+ Tom Isern]

RE: In my world, the customer is always right.

 

Actually Rock, this morning my inbox contained notes from readers asking for appointments and saying that I was building "quite a fan base." People are on to the fact that "Rockhard" is a synecdoche for a space not between your legs, but between your ears. :9

[+ Tom Isern]

RE: In my world, the customer is always right.

 

Actually Rock, this morning my inbox contained notes from readers asking for appointments and saying that I was building "quite a fan base." People are on to the fact that "Rockhard" is a synecdoche for a space not between your legs, but between your ears. :9

[+ deej]

RE: In my world, the customer is always right.

 

You're full of shit, Rockhard.

 

Keeping a customer who costs more than he's worth is detrimental to any business. Making a practice of it is lethal.

[+ deej]

RE: In my world, the customer is always right.

 

You're full of shit, Rockhard.

 

Keeping a customer who costs more than he's worth is detrimental to any business. Making a practice of it is lethal.